Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder
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top 3 most romantic ava/deborah moments? (apart from the dream and the "i think she will")
omg so many moments! But okay, I think I've got the top three.
- Ava steals Deborah's picture from the comedy club: because OH MY GOD THE STATEMENT THAT MAKES. She's saying, over my dead body will some fucking man take credit for you. Also, her little face when she gets back her hotel room. I'm dying for this to come back in season 2. I need Deborah to find this picture somehow so that I can flail loudly.
- You can make anything funny: Have you ever heard Ava sound so fucking sincere, and so soft? They're BOTH so soft. I loved that this was a genuine moment of vulnerability for both of them. Yes, both of them, because I think Ava felt true affection for Deborah for the first time in this moment and I believe her statement was earnest as fuck. You can hear it in her voice, the same way you can see Deborah's reaction to it. I think Deborah's shocked by Ava's words and her intent, as well as her own reaction to it. She's literally moved to tears. It's such A Moment, that they can't even look at each other. I---I can't.
- Deborah motherfucking Vance shows up at the funeral (!!!): I mean. I think this is The Moment. We all know Deborah doesn't do funerals, right? And that she nurtures grudges like they're her babies. So that she shows up at all is already a Statement. BUT Think about it. Ava has NO ONE in her corner. Being home is the loneliest she's ever felt and her father's just died. She is so low she's seriously considering quitting comedy after she's just had the most fulfilling experience in her personal and professional life, and also she's potentially lost that. And the funeral is awkward and her mom is a mess and she's supposed to make it all better But then, BUT THEN, Deborah shows up and saves the fucking day. This is Big Time RomCom vibes and it makes me want to scream. This moment when Ava realizes Deborah is here FOR HER. She has someone. She has a person. Deborah is her person. I. It's too much.
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Oh, Please! Roman Polanski is still feasting on fois gras in the sixth. I don’t think I’m gonna get busted for saying my bisexual employee has bi sex.
Falling (2021) dir. Paul W. Downs
Hacks — Season 1, Episode 5
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Who do you think would make the first move (i.e. a kiss): Ava or Deborah?
I think it will be Deborah.
I think Ava would see it as too big of a risk. She doesn’t even know if Deb likes women, Deb is her boss and just overall Ava doesn’t want to make Deb uncomfortable.
But also, after the email incident, Ava will feel even more hesitant. Deb will eventually forgive her, but Ava will likely feel she doesn’t deserve Deb’s romantic affection and doesn’t want to do another thing to put her relationship with Deb in jeopardy.
But also, in a weird way, it represents a certain amount of growth for her to not act.
When Ava wants something, she normally doesn’t hesitate to go after it, especially if it involves pleasure. She tried to seduce Ruby even though she knew she was dating someone else and Ruby didn’t want to cheat (unlike Marty). When it comes to romance and sex, Ava will act first and not stop and think about whether it’s a good idea or not. When it comes to sex and romantic relationships, it’s all about what Ava wants.
But part of her character arc is learning how to consider other people’s needs and feelings before her own. Ava could fall madly in love with Deb and want to have sex with her, but for once, she’s not thinking about herself. It should be Deb’s choice and Ava will respect whatever decision she makes.
Now that being said, I don’t think it means that Ava won’t drop hints. They’ve already been flirting, but she might make it more overt and see if Deb is receptive, let her know she’s interested. Maybe even tell her about the sex dream? I would die if that happened. We shall see.
But also, Deborah making the first move progresses her character arc forward.
I’ve been theorizing for a while that Deborah is gay but she’s repressing much of her desires, particularly when it comes to her desire for Ava.
All of this is part of a larger trend for Deb where she doesn’t get honest with herself on what she really wants and goes after it. Deb will deny herself pleasure because she has shame or fear of what would happen if she gave in. She’s terrified of being hurt and that’s for good reason.
Ava will hurt her terribly in season 2, but this situation isn’t just like what happened with Frank. Ava will feel remorse, she will apologize, she’ll try her best to make it up to Deb and gain her trust back. Deb can’t go into a romantic relationship without confronting the fact that opening ourselves to being hurt is part of the deal. The challenge is to choose a person who is worthy of working through that with. Someone who is fundamentally good, who can admit when they’ve done wrong, attempt to make it right and who ultimately wants to make this relationship work. Deb will never find a perfect person, she just needs to find the perfect person for her. And she’s found her.
And of the two of them, it is Deborah who most wants a romantic relationship. Ava’s goals were mainly focused on her career in the beginning, but I think she’s open to the possibilities of where her life will take her. After all, she’s young. But Deborah feels strapped for time. She doesn’t want to spend the rest of her life alone. She’s already been alone for 40 years (she’s had relationships but none of them seem to have been very serious).
Let’s also be real that it’s just much more entertaining to watch a normally in control character suddenly do something impulsive and give into something they’ve wanted to do for a while. Ava doing something impulsive isn’t surprising, but it’s more surprising if Deb does it.
I personally believe Deb has never slept with a woman because she’s scared. She knows she doesn’t like sleeping with men and I think (in her subconscious) Deb knows she’s gay but she’s in denial. She fears sleeping with women in fear of proving herself right that she’s a lesbian. Cause then it will be no turning back. She can’t be in denial in the same way before. She’s now knows what she’s been missing and won’t want to give it up. But that means showing the world something different about herself and Deb struggles to be open and honest about who she is.
Deb will have to overcome a lot of fear to make a move on Ava, but that’s why it would mean so much if she did. Deb would be taking a leap of faith. That Ava is trustworthy, that Ava has her best interests at heart, and that she’ll be okay finding out something new about her sexuality.
Plus, would be a great callback to the slap, if instead of a slap during a tense moment, Deborah plants a kiss on Ava.
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Omg, I've only just noticed that Deborah has a photo of Barry and Cara as her phone wallpaper!
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“when you share a sense of humour with someone, it’s like finding someone who speaks your own, yknow, private little language.”
HACKS (2021) | 1.06 “Eyes” // 1.08 “1.69 Million” // 1.09 “I Think She Will”
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1, 3, 6: “Freaky Hands: A Phenomenological Reflection on Lesbian Hands” by Wednesday
2, 4, 5, 7, 8: “The Queer Erotics of Handholding in Literature: Physical Touch in the Novels of Patricia Highsmith and Sarah Waters” by Kristen Arnett
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Hacks // Carol [II]
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Hacks (2021 - )
When you share a sense of humour with someone it's like finding someone who speaks your own, you know, private little language.
You make each other better.
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I gotta hear it...
HACKS (2021–) | 1x01 | There is No Line
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Jean Smart accepting the 2021 Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series for Hacks (and her co-star Hannah Einbinder being absolutely in love with her.)
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Will Deborah Vance make history?
- I think she will. Xoxo
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People have pointed out on here before that Ava gives off huge stepmom energy when she interacts with DJ and wow they are 1000% correct.
Like Ava acts like the mature one in the relationship despite the fact that DJ is over 15 years older than Ava (i.e. trying to check her impulses, asking about her experiences and her feelings, encouraging her to be herself, etc.). And honestly, Ava shows more kindness towards DJ than her own mother does.
To be clear, I’m not making a moral judgment about Deborah. DJ put Deborah through absolute hell for years. I haven’t had a close relationship with an addict, but I know people who have and jeez it tears you up emotionally. Especially if it’s someone close like a child or a sibling, you learn to try to put some emotional walls just so you can function. Plus, it probably doesn’t help that Deb feels some guilt and wonders if DJ’s addiction is her fault because she took her out on the road with her when she was young. Plus, it also doesn’t help that Deb doesn’t share the pain she’s gone through with DJ which it makes it easy for DJ to assume the worst about her mother.
But Ava is a fresh perspective. She doesn’t have the emotional baggage and the weight of guilt and hurt that Deborah carries when she interacts with DJ. She’s able to see DJ’s perspective with open curiosity (that’s kind of Ava’s superpower honestly). Initially, they’re both drawn to the idea of being friends in order to share their resentment towards Deborah, but it quickly becomes more about Ava seeing and valuing DJ’s uniqueness and showing her genuine kindness. And this is pretty big because Ava’s selfishness is uh VERY prominent.
I just think Ava and DJ’s relationship is so fascinating because it has so many implications:
It could mean that Ava could be a catalyst to DJ and Deborah healing their strained relationship. Ava’s role in Deborah’s life is to pretty much be nosey and be all up in Deb’s business and help her confront the pain she’s been repressing and one of the most painful parts of her life is her relationship with her daughter. She could encourage Deborah to be honest with DJ about what she’s been through, so DJ can understand better why her mother acts the way she does. And she could encourage Deborah to focus more on supporting DJ and spending time with her and instead of bailing her out and buying her things.
Again because of the way they frame Ava being the mature one in the relationship, it tears down the idea that what Ava and Deborah have is a mother/daughter relationship. Ava’s relationship with DJ foreshadows the idea that Ava and Deborah are actually equals. Which brings me to my next point.
I’m probably going to write up a whole post about this, but I think Ava’s friendship with DJ is actually good evidence that they plan to make Ava and Deborah a couple (fingers crossed, anyway). After all, it shows that Ava is invested in all parts of Deborah’s life, not just the ones that would substantially benefit her (*coughs* unlike Marty). The framing around Deborah suggests that she desires a life partner and who better than the person who makes sure you don’t miss your daughter getting eloped?
Like can you imagine DJ and Deborah realizing that Ava is the best thing to happen to their family in decades? Like who would’ve thought that an awkward, chaotic 25-year-old bisexual would be the best thing that ever happened to them?
I’m fine, I just have something in my eye 😭
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ava x deborah + taylor swift
the “funny ladies who fell apart in the usual way” chapter
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The hope is that these women, upset by internal conflicts that cannot be stilled by manipulation, challenged by the clarifying drama of public confrontation and dialogue, will be forced to articulate the realities of their own experiences as women subject to the will of men. In doing so, the anger that necessarily arises from a true perception of how they have been debased may move them beyond the fear that transfixes them to a meaningful rebellion against the men who in fact diminish, despise, and terrorize them. This is the common struggle of all women, whatever their male-defined ideological origins; and this struggle alone has the power to transform women who are enemies against one another into allies fighting for individual and collective survival that is not based on self-loathing, fear, and humiliation, but instead on self-determination, dignity, and authentic integrity.
Andrea Dworkin, Right Wing Women
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Hacks // Carol
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Please enjoy my 12k long continued descent into insanity ❤️
Fandom: Hacks (TV 2021)
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Ava Daniels/Deborah Vance
Ava turns up in a tux to her birthday party. Deborah’s not weird about it at all.
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