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makeste · 3 years

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I saw this take on twitter about Hana & Kacchan having “reverse parallels” and since they both have apologised to Tenko/Deku (but one was more or less sincere and the other was absolutely sincere) and they said that, while Hana moved away from Tenko, Kacchan ran to catch Deku. There was also more to the thread abt Kacchan & Hana’s differences. They were sorta trying to argue that this is a clue that Hori intends for Bkdk to be sibling-like/brotherly. As a bkdk shipped, I’ve accepted that it makes sense.. cause it’s an established fact that Tenko & Deku parallel each other. Tenko having his own “Kacchan” makes sense. Tho yes I am a little sad since I’ve held a little bit of hope for romantic bkdk becoming canon. I just wanted to ask your opinion if Hana was really meant to foil Kacchan or was it just a reach?

okay so I have a couple responses to this.

1. while it's true that Horikoshi has woven a lot of deliberate parallels between Deku and Tenko's characters, that doesn't mean every single thing about their lives and every single person they interact with is a part of those parallels. which is to say that no, I don't really think Hana and Kacchan are meant to mirror each other in any kind of significant way. Hana's apology to Tenko was under completely different circumstances than Kacchan's apology to Deku; I really don't see any connection between the two situations. you might as well be trying to compare Hana to Endeavor, or Deku, or Hawks, or Aizawa, or any other character who's apologized to anyone over the course of the story.

2. please pardon the forthcoming rant, anon -- and I hope you know that none of this is aimed at you in particular -- but for me personally, this whole obsession with ships becoming canon is one of the most exasperating types of discourse there is. like, don't get me wrong, I totally understand people wanting to see their favorite ships validated by the author, and not to mention there's also the issue of having more LGBTQ+ representation. but speaking as someone whose own orientation (aromantic) has almost no representation in fiction whatsoever, it gets frustrating to see so many people dismiss non-romantic relationships as being an inferior type of ship, to the extent that calling a relationship "sibling-like" is now a commonly-used attack in ship wars. so many people view romance as this completely transformative element, to the point where two characters can literally tick every other box on the intimate personal relationship checklist, and none of it will matter to some people unless they actually confess their love and kiss.

and again, I'm not saying I don't understand it, especially since queerbating is a thing. it's one thing if a writer is genuinely just trying to portray a close friendship, especially in series where romance isn't really a focus. but it's another thing entirely if a writer is deliberately hinting at a romance in a blatant bid to attract a larger queer audience, while all the while having no intention whatsoever of having those hints lead anywhere. the issue, I guess, is that it's not always easy to tell which scenarios are the former, and which are the latter. and of course, you also have people who think that the former is a type of cop-out as well, because the thing is that romance is always viewed as the default. so for a lot of people, allosexual and alloromantic relationships are the only ones that get considered as far as representation goes.

but you know what, I'm just gonna say it; even knowing where people are coming from, it's still discouraging to know that so many people are so dismissive of aro and ace relationships that the thought of a favorite ship not becoming romantic in canon is considered a profound disappointment. and it's even more discouraging that the thought of a rival ship becoming canon is considered such an existential threat to some that they will literally use "oh, they're just like siblings" as an argument against the ship, rather than a point in favor of. because siblings are a downgrade. friendship is a downgrade. any kind of close relationship that isn't inherently romantic or sexual in nature is less important, and that's just how it is.

so yeah, that's kind of a pet peeve, ngl. especially since the truth is I actually do think Bakugou and Deku's relationship is very akin to siblings. and so I do sometimes get weary of not being able to just outright say that without having to first pepper the statement with all kinds of disclaimers so that people don't think I'm invalidating the ship. I feel like I have to walk on eggshells if I ever want to talk about their relationship in terms that I can personally relate to.

but I mean, here's how I look at it. they've known each other since they were small children. they call each other exclusively (or almost exclusively) by childhood nicknames. they have an openness and an unspoken, almost taken-for-granted trust in each other to the point where they'll share closely guarded secrets ("I got my quirk from someone else") and personal vulnerabilities ("why was I the one who ended All Might?") with barely a second's hesitation which they would never share with anyone else. they have a comfortable little bickering type of rapport ("I'm getting stronger"; "well I'll just have to get even stronger then"; "you'll never surpass me"; "we'll see about that") which they can fall into with ease and which looks weird af to outsiders, but is "normal" to them and something they're both grateful to have.

they're so intimately familiar with each other's personality and behaviors that they can predict them with perfect accuracy. they're so in tune with each other that they can whip up elaborate coordinated attacks right on the spot in perfect sync. their admiration for each other is so strong that they each think of the other as being the epitome of winning and saving, respectively. their mental images of each other are so vivid that they subconsciously mimic each other's speech patterns whenever they start falling into a particularly strong Win or Save mindset themselves. they take no small amount of pride in showing off for each other. they go apeshit any time the other is in danger or hurt. and each of them would literally die for the other if it ever came to that.

all of that is already canon. on just about every metric imaginable except for "now kiss", the two of them already have a canon intimacy that rivals just about every other great relationship out there. and so to say that none of it actually counts unless there's an actual love confession involved frankly just boggles me. again, maybe it's because I have no personal vested interest in romance myself, though. I'm literally just not wired that way, and so I'm really not the best person to vent to when it comes to these kinds of concerns.

but look, no matter what happens from here on out, these two care about each other on a very deep and personal level. they're going to continue to be a part of each other's lives no matter what. and each of them, no matter what, will continue to occupy a space in each other's lives that no other person can fill, regardless of how we or Horikoshi or anyone else choose to label and define that space. and so in my book, that's already a win.

anyways, apologies again for the impromptu rant. again, this wasn't particularly directed at you in any way; if anything it's mostly just a generic response to the constant shipping discourse in this and every other fandom, and a more detailed explanation for why I personally don't like to get involved in it. this is just one of the myriad reasons why I try my best to stay very far away from BnHA twitter lol.

#bakugou katsuki #midoriya izuku #bakudeku #bnha meta #aspec #aromanticism #aromanticism in fiction #bakugou meta #deku meta #bnha #boku no hero academia #bnha 322 #bnha spoilers #mha spoilers #bnha manga spoilers #makeste reads bnha #asks #anon asks #long post

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bookofmirth · 3 years

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at the end of the day sjm always puts her characters who they are MEANT to be with. it doesn't matter who you shipped before, whenever she writes the final romance between two characters she makes it make sense and I've never rlly seen any complaints abt who any of her characters are paired w now despite who the fandom might have shipped them w before. We need to trust her to know HER OWN CHARACTERS better then we do and know what's best for them.

For that reason, i do not think azriel and elain will be canon. To me that bonus chapter was her way of showing that the azriel/elain ship isn't necessarily the healthy dynamic we all assumed it would be, and that maybe each of them need something different.

I dont think she'd mention azriel feeling left out of having a archeron sister if not to point out how toxic that mindset is and how shes not going to follow that cliche in the end.

Exactly! Whatever kind of story she decides to tell, I will be down with. Maybe there will be silly plot things or everyone will be the most beautiful or she’ll have links to other series’ worlds or whatever little thing that people aren’t huge fans of, but overall? It will be convincing, and I will enjoy reading it.

I agree with you about the bonus chapter. I often harp on the fact that not every single tiny word she uses is a clue to something major in future books, but that chapter was intentionally included? And Az had a specific response? And that was the first time we had ever had his POV? I think there are a lot of reasons why that is reliable set up for what’s coming next.

And if she flips it on its head and says “HA HE WAS HAVING A STRESSFUL DAY JK” then I might be like wtf at first, but then keep reading and go with it.

Another thing - she wrote a whole book about Tamlin loving Feyre so much and how that became toxic and abusive. It’s not like she doesn’t have a history of doing this, and being very aware of how she’s constructing an unhealthy relationship.

#acosf #acosf spoilers #anti elriel #ask #acotar #anon

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grungegoths · 4 years

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hey i saw ur post abt just finishing the atla series so i was just wondering if u have any thoughts about the canon/fan made relationships in ATLA (kataang,zutara,maiko, sukka/zukka etc)??i see alot of good and weak points from their shippers and wanted to know ur opinion too since ive been following u for long n see that most of ur takes on the books u read r quite cool and make good sense ! feel free to ignore this is u dont want to answer/dont have any opinion ik how the shippers can be like

Honestly one of the main reason i didnt wanted to/and lowkey still dont want to get much deeper into the atla fandom was bc of the ship wars so when i started watching the show i was wondering as to how amazingly the characters’ dynamics between each other would be written/depicted for so many people in the fandom to have such strong opinions about the ships, but now that i’ve finished the series i really dont think any particular canon or potential relationship left any strong impression on me since they all had mediocre writing and build up

I dont think there was a single relationship which made me go “omg their dynamic is so amazing they are so perfect for each other” .Every single relationship followed the “boy and girl meet,talk and hang out for a little while and then kiss and start going out” timeline most straight couples follow in fiction.Of course katara and aang were friends for months before they started to date but there really isnt much you can write for a romance between a 12 and a 14 year old to make it look spectacular and appealing so i guess the writers did their best but it wasnt enough .They could have made the series span duration of some years instead of months to show them maturing more before they dated but they didnt so i found it cute but not convincing.

I can say that zuko and mai’s relationship was the most realistic (not best but most sensical n realistic) out of all the others because they are exactly how you’d expect two 16 year olds with emotion issues and trauma to behave in their relationship.The fact that they broke up one year after the war because zuko was having a hard time balancing his relationship with being the fire lord of a country which was going through after effects of a 100 year war , reunited 3 years later and got married was realistic made sense.

I do wish we had more info about the foundation of their relationship bc we just see mai having a crush on zuko when they were kids and the next thing you know they are kissing while they are returning to the fire nation so like what happened?? were they dating before zuko’s banishment and decided to give a break till zuko was back or??

As for zuko and katara,,, well i can see why people might ship them but honestly there really wasnt much groundwork done for them for me to see the potential since katara only starts to trust zuko like 2 episodes before the finale and all of zuko’s interactions with katara are as platonic as his interactions with the other members of aang’s group.Also if katara ended up with zuko i really cant imagine her living with zuko in the palace and surroundings which were mostly responsible or serve as a reminder of her mother’s death by the fire nation army.

Like my main problem with the concept of katara and zuko is just that its basically between a girl who has 12 years worth of trauma associated with the colonization and genocide of her people and family carried out by the fire nation AND a boy whose family and army were responsible for said colonization and genocide.Just because zuko ended up redeeming himself doesnt mean katara’s trauma can go away in a poof yk? But as i said, they could have been a good couple if there was more foundation for it n things were somewhat diff.

As for the other ships, well sokka and suki are cute but their relationship still was quite rushed and left more room for exploration. I wont say much abt zuko and sokka but i wish we had more material for it and zuko joined their group much earlier. In conclusion, ATLA has a very very good writing and dynamics when it comes to friendships and falls short in terms of relationships. but then again, the target audience was kids and teens so i dont think they could focus much on romance anyways

#wow this was a long ass rant dfgfhgfhhg i didnt meant it to be the long but oh well #i was bored #atla #avatar #avatar the last airbender #atla spoilers #i guess since alot of ppl rwatching it now #mine #boojs #Anonymous

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cycloplasm · 4 years

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003 for the last fandom you were in (like, reading a post about/drawing for/watching/reading, etc. the last fandom thing you saw/partook in 😂💙✨) Also bonus: Share an interesting fact about one of your personal characters 👀✨

WELL technically the last fandom i *was in* was DB- and the last fandom thing *i saw* was Pop’n music, and the last one i *partook in* was KH... so distraction is distraction; triple whammy time idec

But wait the 003 one is with specific characters :Oc... im going to do these with my faves for each then, but if that’s not what you wanted feel free to correct me i’ll re-do it 😂 also MEGA LONG LOL

🐉 low and behold my fav from this series is COOLER

How I feel about this character: now the only reason i ever got into DB in the first place was because of Frieza- that i saw on the cover of the manga, while buying groceries with my mom. Like when she would go and pay, she’d let me go to the ‘kid’s books’ section, who was right next to the cashiers. And there was that ONE DB manga with final form Frieza on it, and was like WOW and begged my mom to buy it- she did; she didn’t know DB and never really knew that it wasn’t the best thing to buy for 6 years old me, lol. So uhm that got me into DB and after buying like 10 DB manga books with pretty (but deceptive) covers, i somehow got that one DS game- Supersonic Warriors 2. I had no idea there was an anime (believe it or not), and as you can guess had no knowledge of the movies, so this game introduced me to quite a bunch of characters- including Cooler! ... Tho uhm ngl it wasn’t an instant love like Frieza- i was still 6 so i was like ´purple frieza with prettier colors’ and that’s it. Fast foward because this is LONG LOL SORRY but got to know Salza and (vaguely) Cooler’s general motivations thanks to PS2’s Budokai Tenkaichi 2, around 2015 i got back into DB, and actually watched their movie... And honestly i had no idea that HE was like that- truly bitter towards his brother AND father, and had to actually prove himself; and only to get nothing from the two when he PUSHED HIMSELF SO FAR HE ACHIEVED A TRANSFORMATION *NO ONE ELSE* HAS ACHIEVED. Like let’s be real, Frieza is a VILE person, beyond cruel- but Cooler? He’s somehow worse, because he has reasons to be bitter- to me it can fuel his cruelty even further than Frieza and idk. It’s great. I’ll come back to it further in this but i feel this is a VERY interesting concept for a ‘frieza sibling’ villain.

Any/all the people I ship romantically with this character: no one- Cooler’s super aromantic (and ace) in my head. Doesn’t even understand the concept of friendship, so love? Lol no. But i hc that Dore is romantically attracted to him though- Cooler has no idea, and maybe that’s for the best, i think he might react badly if he knew.

My favorite non-romantic relationship for this character: surprise, surprise, CoolerxSalza lol. I might reiterate things i already said/mentioned, but. I think Salza genuinely believes in Cooler- the latter kind of ‘saved’ him from Brench, a place where he was the very best and that bored him almost to death; and Salza was always sadistic, so the fact that he not only got a job about making ppl miserable (or better- killing them), but actually gets to do it with someone else (even if it’s in professional terms), Salza just. REALLY looks up to Cooler. But as his right hand, he actually got to witness Cooler talking with his father/brother, and how they argue- that made Salza realize that, as tough Cooler is, he’s a real person and certain things can get on his nerves. And so Salza comforting Cooler is. Very important to me

My unpopular opinion about this character: h-he.. trans,. Boy- no but legit uhm tbh. he’s better than Frieza in some ways, fight me. Much more potential. Proof: how ToP Frieza was just re-iterations and nothing new- the only thing new being that last attack w goluband that’s it. While Cooler! There’s so much you can explore- feelings-wise especially. Because imo he HAS feelings but he was taught to show otherwise

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: honestly? As much as i’d like him back in a movie, something i kept thinking/hoping would happen was Cooler and Trunks’ interaction potential. Like both have harsh fathers, and idk they could have some kind of relationship based on that? Like not ANYWHERE near friendship- or anything like that; more like a ‘i thought i was the only one with this problem’ kind of relationship.

Favorite friendship for this character: SALZA LOL and DBHeroes Trunks, even if it breaks my hope for them bounding out of convienance but also bc of dad issues

My crossover ship: honestly HONESTLY Satori from 2hu. They’re like, the same. Asocial creepy older sibling that, in-universe, isn’t very liked, while their younger is going around and being a nuisance at best. They could talk over tea, and put their younger parasites in cages while doing so

🎶🎵🎶🎵Pop’n music i guess?!!?? even though i never played it and i’m just digging the songs and chara designs?!?! Anyway my fav is Yima

How I feel about this character: i love everything about him? The fact that he’s very visually different and unique from all other characters and in general, how no one seems to know what he really is, and especially. ESPECIALLY! How he apparentely never talks, and expresses himself via dancing, by taking poses that look like kanjis and symbols. Also apparentely he’s super in touch with nature and ‘the gods’, so he’s never seen with anyone else? Asocial creature... Good!

Any/all the people I ship romantically with this character: he doesn’t know what a romance is. And he wouldn’t eat one because honestly i’m not even sure he has a mouth. The only ‘proof’? Sign? He has SOMETHING is that one pose where he’s smoking a pipe/using a flute. and according to the creators his ‘likes’ is Love, but honestly i think it’s the kind of love that goes beyond mere romance. The love of living, being alive. Deep love.

My favorite non-romantic relationship for this character: well. Technically the only thing he communicates to- (intentionally) is the player? So what if he’s aware of the player- are they one of his gods? I think that’s interesting to think about.

My unpopular opinion about this character: he’s a very unique character, much better than the protagonists that look good in the Pop’n music style, but would like any other anime human otherwise. If anything, proof of that is that one game where the style DOES change to an anime-like one, and Yima still looks unique while the others are undistinguisable if you take off their colors and/or features

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: HONESTLY i know this will never happen and maybe that’s a good thing? But i think he should be shown with Hoshi no Hito- which is kind of the entity antithesis of Yima. Yima = unknown entity that strives for Love, the gods, nature/life/fertility. Hoshi no Hito = unknown entity that strives for ??? Who knows actually but is tied to ‘Paradise of the universe’ and ‘Heaven’; the latter according to one of his theme songs, that has VERY strange imagery and looks stranger than Yume Nikki, making that ‘Paradise’ notion kind of. Like are you sure?? But yeah they’re similar while contradicting each other, it’s very strange and honestly not sure if it’s intentional, but if it is: do something with it, you’ve got something VERY unique on your hands! Do this and i’ll actually get into this series tbh.

Favorite friendship for this character: the way he loves nature and his gods is very endearing. Invite the player into it, Yima

My crossover ship: what is romans again i forgot

❤️KH and then you can leave, my child. The text wall is almost over........ Xemnas time.

How I feel about this character: me! BIG GAY! FOR XEMNAS! SINCE 2011!!!! Like bruh i remember i made a Gary Stu to date all my fav KH boys (Xem, Zexion and Vanitas- that are still my top faves. Been so for 9 years then lol?! Im old.) and my totally-not-a-secret-selfinsert would actually be in a relationship with Xemnas- even if back then, Xem wasn’t REMOTELY in character lol. So somehow it took me YEARS to realize how truly great Xemnas is? Like before i was only like ‘he’s one of the most handsome 3D men of all time’. Now i am like exactly that, BUT! He’s also a cult leader, not entirely human, and a mean villain so 👍👍👍. And while i have mixed feelings abt the whole ‘he lied to the orgXIII about them not able to have feelings’ thing, proves he’s truly evil and/or emotionless.

Any/all the people I ship romantically with this character: no one- another aro/ace lol. But to be fair- this one makes sense? He has NO EMOTIONS. He doesn’t even seem to understand friendship? So love? What is that

My favorite non-romantic relationship for this character: well ok this is one somewhat implied and never shown, and i was going to do a picture about it (i’m still going to do it lol) but. According to Nomura in an interview, Xemnas and Zexion have a teacher-student relationship? Which makes a lot of sense? Because: 1) Zexion is the ‘kid that mostly grew up in the cult, so doesn’t know anything else’ trope. 2) their powers can somewhat relate imo? Zexion has illusion powers. Xemnas has nothingness powers- and aren’t illusions nothing, in a way...? That one might be just me tbh- but i can kind of see them talking about their powers together. 3) Zexion is a ‘schemer’- he’s no stranger to manipulating people- wouldn’t it make sense if he learmed that from Xemnas? I honestly doubt he learned it from Lexaeus, Vexen or Ansem- and Xigbar is WAY too subtle. Might have learned from Xaldin as well but legit i think it’s Xem who taught it to him.

My unpopular opinion about this character: i don’t think he should be redeemed- they avtually didn’t do that, which i’m glad about. He lied to people for 10 YEARS about them being unable to feel, all that so he could softcore brainwash them later so they could be more like him, so not worth redeeming lol...

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: ... BUT... tbh. I think the fact that he’s Terra’s nobody should have been much more explored. Before kh3 i even hoped Xem would have what i call an ‘asriel moment’, as in ‘i’m a bad guy but in the past i was a completely different person (literally) and let me have a breakdown over it’. Also hoped that would have made Terra’s Kh3 design- as in Xemnas’ look (long hair, face) with Terra’s colors... but no they didn’t do that, instead they did something that kind of makes sense since Xem died in kh2, but also did a weird thing with Terra that i don’t get and frankly don’t care about bc it doesn’t involve Xemnas

Favorite friendship for this character: again i don’t think he understands friendship... but i love the idea of Xigbar fucking with Xemnas and the latter tolerating it. I mean in canon it’s mostly shown that SAÏX is the right-hand man, but i like to think that it’s actually Xigbar but he doesn’t care and only annoys everyone

My crossover ship: not really a ship but. Since Xemnas and Cell’s JP Voice actor is the same person... and that they’re both villains that really love themselves... interact

#asks #this is so long srry 😢#but it helped me not think of the bad things so 👍💖#... really hopes mobile doesn’t fuck up the paragraphs

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