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misssakurapetal28 · 4 years

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9 Reasons Why People Might (and CAN) Ship Apritello in Rise!

1). It kind of follows the "childhood friends to lovers" trope. Usually from all the anime (and occasionally cartoons and other types of media) that I've watched, there's a "friends to lovers" trope and/or "childhood friends to lovers" trope. It's usually when...welll...when friends start to feel romantic feelings towards each other, become a couple or start to date. Usually when that's the case, the friends usually have good interactions or/and know each other more personally than anyone else does. Usually those main things are enough to make a relationship. 2). Even if they do start dating, I don't think things will change THAT much. Maybe some sweet and cute couple moments every now and then, but besides that, does Donnie and April HAVE to be lovey-dovey like every couple media tends to portray pairings these days? Donnie and April can just watch Netflix and chill. Have fun and hang out like they normally do? I see them as just teens who do what they want and don't follow couple clichés. They might date or be a couple, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t still friends. 3). Interspecies relationships have happened before in shows. Though I haven't personally watched shows that did have interspecies relationships, I know they exist. So why Rise should be an exception? And NO. Apritello is NOT bestiality. In 2012, April is half-muntant/kraang and there’s a possibly that Donnie MIGHT have human DNA too from Splinter. In Rise, Donnie does have human DNA inside him from Splinter.

And EVEN IF one or both of them weren’t half mutant/human, it STILL isn’t bestiality. Bestiality is when a human is in a relationship with an animal basically (just look up the real definition if you want to know). Donnie is a mutant turtle (a mutant with human DNA in Rise). He also has a consenting mind. So at best, it’s a interspecies relationship. Now if you personally still don’t like the pair because you personally don’t like interspecies relationships neither, then that’s your preference and I respect that. However, I still think interspecies is LEAUGES better than bestiality in my opinion. 4). Their adorable babies and they generally look cute together. Nuff said ^^ Donnie and April reminds me of the famous "opposites attract" trope too. April, the feisty, headstrong tomboy with the cleaver, sass master Donnie is just interesting dynamic to me. Their personalities compliment each other. Their flaws and virtues compliment each other. I just belive they work well together. Also, angst possibilities. LOTS of angst possibilities. Just saying...

5). Most Apritello (or April x Turtles) haters/T///cest shippers are total shallow hypocrites. Like I’ve mentioned before, It really baffles me and annoys me that TMNT fans look down on others for shipping Apritello (or any other April x Turtles pairing) just because they personally see (or always saw) April being a big sister to the guys when the same kind of people are perfectly fine with shipping T///cest, pairings that involve the turtles together. At least people who don’t ship neither have the excuse that they see all the teens as siblings and it’s wrong to see them as anything else, but AT LEAST April and the turtles aren’t REALLY related. Like I said, sometimes people who grew up together/childhood friends DO and CAN get together.

Now...People who ship t///cest...that’s THEIR business (I personally despise it). They can stay in their corner and I can stay in mine. Heck, people even have the right to dislike Apritello from any incarnation (especially by 2012 Apritello’s track record), but don’t you dare criticize or looked down on others who do like it when t///cest in that logic isn’t that much better. Now, I personally like 2012 Apritello (or at least mostly the fandom version of it) and I honestly take some interest in the Rise version of it too (however, this one has less attention and love), but if someone else just personally doesn’t like it, that’s perfectly fine too. However, the point that I’m making is that I wish that people don’t be so shallow when it comes to the very little people who does ship Apritello in this incarnation. People liking Apritello isn’t a bad thing. It’s just the way it has to be handled.

BTW: I can also get people disliking Apritello in the 80’s series and the 2003 series because April was in her 20’s, but in the 2012 and 2018/Rise series she isn’t! She’s 16.

6). You can ship what the hell you want.

I know Rise! Apritello mostly comes from that fact that it was a thing in 2012, but so? People still have the right to ship it. Also, it seems like they have at least some kind of development or chemistry. Now, I’m not going to lie. The chances of them being a couple or even having ANY KIND of romantic feelings in this series is slim because:

1. It’s a kids show. It’s more of a silly/comedy kid show than any of the other previous TMNT incarnations ever were. So this incarnation of TMNT might not be suitable for actaul romantic themes. I mean, there’s the “romantic”/complicated relationship between Splinter and Big Mama, but that’s about it.

2. Again, it’s a kids show....about kids and their (mis)adventures. April is 16 and Donnie is 14. I doubt that romance is a big thing for them right now at this point in their lives. Not to say crushes can’t happen, but...yeah.

3. April most likely sees Donnie as a brother and vise versa. In fact, it WAS confirmed that April sees all the turtles that way. Also, most Rise fans sees them as such, even before Rise began.

4. I know some don’t find a problem with this (including myself), but Donnie is a mutant turtle while April is a human girl. So people might find that weird or claim it is bestiality (even though it’s not). Hence part of the reason why I think one of the creators/writers said this. Speaking of...

5. Seems like they don’t ship it romantically. Heck, they even claim that others (or 2012 Donnie’s crush on April, it’s really unclear) as “pervy” for it (which I disagree, but I digress).

HOWEVER, despite all this said, who’s to say that anyone still CAN’T ship it? HECK, who even says that the possibility is COMPETELY off the table? You see that I said the possibility of them happening or having any romantic feelings for each other are SLIM, not INPOSSIBLE. Like I said above, I’m one of the those people who watched TMNT 2012 who actaully shipped Apritello.

Now, I’m not going to sit up here and say that Donnie’s crush (and in my opinion, later love) for April was the healthiest thing in the world. I’m also not going to say that Donnie and April’s characters where the best here. Because it wasn’t, it was a result of bad writting from the writers part. But...Apritello in TMNT 2012 in canon wasn’t that bad sometimes per say. I personally love Apritello for what it could’ve been more than anything, but canon Apritello? It wasn’t THAT bad. Again, it was just how it was written. If it was given more of proper writting, I really think Apritello could of been like, one of the most amazing and complex ships in media history??? But Alas...

However, unlike 2012 Apritello (unfortunately), I do think Rise “Apritello” is being handled A LOT better, healthier and more natural this time around. Even if it’s not the creators/writers intentions this time around to make any kind of romance for the two, they still have great development together, but I belive that they are close. Now, in MY personal headcanons, I headcanon that Donnie didn’t initially romantically like April from the start. I even made a headcanon that when they first met, they disliked each other (but that’s a different story for maybe another day). So things basically just went the same as it is in canon.

However, ever since the snow day episode (which I kind of headcanon in a scene that wasn’t shown like this), Donnie gain a tiny crush on her (which grew little by little). Now by NO MEANS that it’s as big and crazy as 2012 Donnie’s crush, but a crush no less. Now, do or will they get together in my headcanon? Well, I don’t know yet. Because my feelings for this pair tend to go back and forth.

The point is, people ARE allowed to ship Apritello if they want to. People shouldn’t have to feel hesitant or bad to ship them just because others see them as siblings (which again, they are not even related) or because people don’t personally like it or see it as right. I also don’t feel like people have to stop shipping it just because of the common headcanon that April is a Lesbian.

And that’s another thing. Look, I have NOTHING against the popular headcanon of April being a lesbian (and I also understand why people would think that). That’s cool. You can have ANY KIND of headcanon for ANY character you want. However, in my personal headcanons, I see April as Bi (but maybe a little more interested in girls). It’s not only because I ship her with Donnie though, but it’s because it’s never been confirmed that she’s not interested in guys too though.

Just because she’s bit of a tomboy and has no interested in Dale (a character that BARLEY made ANY appearances and the fandom seems to already hate him for SOME REASON), that doesn’t automatically mean that she’s ONLY into girls. I mean, you can headcanon ANYONE the way that you want, but her being Bi is MY opinion and MY headcanon.

My point: Ship what you want and don’t give dam what ANYONE says, even if it is Apritello.

7). They make a pretty good duo. Shown in episodes like “The Purple Jacket” and “Donnie v.s. Witch Town”, the two make a prefect duo! They also seem to have a better understanding of each other and care about one another a lot. They love each other and kick butt together! ^^ 8). This is my personal taste, but they are like the sun and moon :) This also plays into my “opposites attract” theory when it comes to them. Also, read more up about the concept of “yin and yang”. It will make A LOT of sense when it comes to these two! 9). It can work out platonically AND romantically. Like I’ve mentioned above, it means they are dating/are in a relationship, that doesn’t mean that they can’t also be friends. However, that doesn’t mean they won’t work out just as good as friends. That’s just how much understanding that they have for each other and how good they work out together :)

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Wow, I wrote a lot! lol If I took any of this all out of context, I’m sorry for that? lol But I just wanted to make the point that shipping Apritello in this incarnation isn’t bad like some people make it out be. It’s just as fun as shipping any of the other popular pairs in in this incarnation. I like Apritello, both 2012 and Rise. If you do too, then you should be allowed to without feeling bad about it. Just remember that!

Let’s enjoy these two dorks together, ok? :)

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hella-aro · 6 years

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Allosexual aromantic survey results

Hello! Here are the results of the survey I ran asking a few questions to allosexual aromantic people. I’m putting the data, together with a couple things I have to say, under the cut in order not to make this post too long. Just to be clear, the size sample is not very big, and since the survey link was only posted on tumblr, results will not necessarily be indicative of the whole community.

The first question was there as control. It asked if people were aromantic and allosexual, and if the person selected “no”, it took them at the end of the survey. Out of a total of 535 responses, there were 53 “no”s, which means the number of people who actually participated goes down to 482.

To the question, What is you romantic orientation?, out of 482 people

- 267 (55.4%) identified as aromantic

- 174 (36.1%) identified as arospec (demi, grey, etc.)

- 41 (8.5%) answered questioning

To, What is your gender identity?, out of 482 people

- 206 (42.5%) identified as cis women

- 72 (14.9%) identified as nonbinary

- 45 (9.3%) identified as trans men

- 33 (6.8%) identified as genderfluid

- 28 (5.8%) identified as agender

- 27 (5.6%) answered questioning

- 25 (5.2%) identified as cis men

- 20 (4.1%) identified as demigender

- 3 (0.6%) identified as trans women

These were the options I had given in the survey, in addition to this, 4 (0.8%) people identified as bigender, 3 (0.6%) people identified as nonbinary trans men, and 2 (0.4%) people identified as genderqueer. Other gender identities people included were bigender/genderqueer, guy (don’t want to disclose if trans), bigenderfluid, demigirl/demiboy, does not label gender, utrinque girl, fluidflux, nb/agender/transmasc/queer, neutrois, genderqueer multigender, neurogender, agenderflux, genderless woman, transmasculine genderqueer, all of which got 1 response each.

To, What is your sexual orientation?, out of 482 people

- 154 (32%) identified as bisexual

- 98 (20.3%) identified as pansexual

- 59 (12.2%) identified as heterosexual

- 41 (8.5%) answered questioning

- 39 (8.1%) answered I do not label my sexual orientation

- 31 (6.4%) identified as lesbian

- 19 (3.9%) identified as gay

- 10 (2.1%) identified as abrosexual

- 5 (1%) identified as polysexual

These were the options I had given, in addition to this 3 (0.6%) people identified as queer. Other identities were pansexual but multiple microlabels apply, androsexual/queer, toric, questioning grey-bisexual, homosexual but not comfortable using lesbian because of other attractions, homosexual, straight or queer with a strong preference for men or abrosexual, questioning bi/gay/ace, anyone except girls, questioning lesbian, omnisexual, both bi and ply, a combination of bi and pan, queer/questioning, fluctuating, all of which received 1 response each. One response was transphobic, and I will therefore not share it.

In addition, 7 (1.4%) people gave answers for identities that were part of the asexual spectrum (specifically, demi-bi, propeestsexual, pan-akoisexual, asexual, demisexual, acespike, greysexual), now while I have not erased any of these responses, as I suppose these people had their reason to take part in this survey and the number is low enough to not significantly skew the results, I would like to ask ace people to please, let allosexual aromantics have their own things. Aromanticism and asexuality are already very conflated, and while obviously aroace people deserve to be heard so do allo aro people. Can we please make our stuff, thank you? (More on this, towards the end)

On another note, the total percentage of m-spec people (counting bi, pan, ply people and those who put their own m-spec labels as well) is 55% of the total. This means statistically the most represented group in the survey was cis multisexual women.

To, Do you experience other types of attraction other than sexual?, out of 479 people

- 376 (78.5%) stated they feel platonic attraction

- 361 (75.4%) stated they feel aesthetic attraction

- 246 (51.4%) stated they feel sensual attraction

- 156 (32.5%) stated they feel alterous attraction

- 39 (8.1%) stated they don’t feel any of the above or don’t find them meaningful

In addition, three people stated they were unsure, one person stated they feel emotional attraction, one person stated they feel kindred spirit attraction, one person stated they feel queerplatonic attraction, one person stated they cannot conceptualize those attractions. One person has given a description of the way they feel attraction which I’ll quote, “I feel like it's a triangle spectrum, with aesthetic/sexual/romantic attraction on the corners, and sensuous/alterous/platonic somewhere in that triangle”. Keep in mind people were allowed to choose more than one of these, so the total numbers are higher than the number of respondents

To, If you experience any of the mentioned attraction, are they more or less important to you than your sexual attraction?, out of 460 people

- 221 (48%) said they are about equally important

- 174 (37.8%) said their other attraction(s) are more important to them than their sexual attraction

- 65 (14.1%) said their sexual attraction is more important to them than their other attraction(s)

To, If you experience any of the mentioned attractions, do they align with your sexual attraction?, out of 462 people

- 183 (39.6%) stated they don’t find it meaningful to label their other attractions

- 124 (26.8%) stated that some of them do, others don’t

- 121 (26.2%) stated that they are aligned

- 34 /7.4%) stated that they are not aligned

To, Do you feel the way you experience sexuality is different from that of an alloromantic person due to your aromanticism?, out of 482 people

- 303 (62.9%) said yes

- 143 (29.7%) said maybe

- 36 (7.5%) said no

To, Do you think your aromanticism made it difficult to identify your sexual orientation or viceversa?, out of 482 people

- 246 (51%) said experiencing sexual attraction made it harder to identify their aromanticism

- 126 (26.1%) said being aromantic made it harder to identify their sexual attraction

- 57 (11.8%) said they didn’t know

- 53 (11%) said they didn’t have issues like this

To, Do you feel your aromanticism or you sexual attraction is more important than the other?, out of 481 people

- 253 (52.6%) said they are about equally important

- 167 (34.7%) said their aromanticism is more important

- 61 (12.7%) said their sexual attraction is more important

To, Do you feel connected to the community of your sexual orientation?, out of 480 people

- 204 (42.5%) said yes, sometimes

- 99 (20.6%) said no, because of my aromanticism

- 90 (18.8%) said yes, always

- 87 (18.1%) said no, because of reasons unrelated to my aromanticism

To, Do you feel connected to the aromantic community?, out of 480 people

- 217 (45.2%) said yes, sometimes

- 170 (35.4%) said yes, always

- 71 (14.8%) said no, because of reasons unrelated to my sexuality

- 22 (4.6%) said no, because of my sexuality

Out of the people who said they don’t feel connected to the community of their sexuality due to their aromanticism, 45.5% stated they feel connected to the aromantic community sometimes, 36.4% feel always connected with it, while 10.1% don’t feel connected to it due to reasons unrelated to their sexuality. 8.1% said they don’t feel connected with it due to their sexuality.

On the other side, out of people who said they don’t feel connected to the aromantic community due to their sexuality, 40.9% said they feel connected to the community of their sexual orientation sometimes, 18.2% felt always connected with it, while 4.5% don’t feel connected to it due to reasons unrelated to their aromanticism. 36.4% said they don’t feel connected with it due to their aromanticism.

Now, a not: before I share data for the last two questions, I have to say that I made a mistake in how I made them. These questions asked people if someone ever assumed things about them due to them being aromantic and allosexual, however I did not ask beforehand if people had come out or not. Because of this, the answers also include those of people who never came out, who obviously have never had anything assumed about them upon doing so. I apologize for this mistake, once I realized it I had already received a high number of responses and couldn’t change it at that point. I’ll report the percentages I got, but remember the numbers are not completely correct.

To, Have you ever been accused of being predatory due to being allosexual aromantic?, out of 480 people

- 209 (43.5%) said no, never. This number also includes people who never came out

- 118 (24.6%) said yes, once or twice

- 94 (19.6%) said unsure

- 59 (12.3%) said yes, many times

To, Have you ever had anyone assume your levels of sexual activity due to being allosexual aromantic?, out of 479 people

- 196 (40.9%) said no, never. This number also includes people who never came out

- 116 (24.2%) said unsure

- 91 (19%) said yes, once or twice

- 76 (15.9%) said yes, many times

The last part of the survey asked people if they had additional comments to leave. I won’t copy paste all of them, otherwise this post would get terribly long, but I’ll give a basic rundown.

First of all, many people stated that being allosexual and aromantic leads them to being stereotyped as cold, selfish and sex-obsessed, and some said they refrain from engaging in sexual relationships even when they would want one because they are scared they will be expected to develop feelings for their partner. At the same time, some allosexual aros feel excluded from lgbt+/queer spaces. This hasn’t just come from heterosexual aros, but from otherwise queer aros as well, because they feel they will fall under the stereotype of the “bad” sexually promiscuous queer. I’ll give examples:

- even though i would like to have sexual relationships i’m afraid to pursue any because i’m worried the person will think i want to approach them romantically as well or i’ll accidentally lead someone on because they’ll think i have feelings for them so i don’t have sex with anyone and it makes me question my sexuality too because then it’s like “well if you’re afraid to have sex with anyone do you even really want to in the first place” so that’s my biggest issue currently if that helps

- being straight (or generally perceived as straight; it's really hard to tell because my different types of attraction make it really hard to tell and it's generally easier to find male partners) and arospec makes me feel unwanted by both groups. Around non queer people I have to hide being aro to keep from being accused of being abusive or "just a whore". I've gotten accusations like "you only like me for sex" after coming out. Around other queer people I'm told I'm unwelcome and feel like I have to provide a thesis on my experiences and a stamp from like, the queer pope or something in order to be considered and even then I'm told to get raped and die. I feel like there's nowhere I belong, despite feeling connected to the queer community because it feels like that's where I'm supposed to belong.

- I had a hard time realising what my sexual orientation was because of being aro AND being sexually attracted to people made understanding I was aro harder. I don't always feel connected to being gay and a part of that community Because I'm aro; I constantly feel unwelcome and "unallowed" to be there, and I constantly feel as if I'm considered one of the bad impure gays because of stereotypes of allo aro people. I feel as if I'm constantly erased by both non aspecs and other aspecs because of being allosexual and aro. the arguments to exclude me never even include me. I'm told "not wanting to fuck" isn't queer, and I'm also told that having sexuality while being queer is homophobic. I'm not thought of but I also am shamed and excluded. it's awful. Also, I'm gay, but my aromanticism has caused me far more problems, and aro problems are never talked about. I feel so invisible.

I’ve also received three different comments which can all be summed up as bi aro people feeling like the stereotypes around bisexual people and allosexual aro people align very closely, therefore feeling as if they are “bad” bi people.

At the same time, multiple people have expressed that they feel alienated from the aro community because they feel aroace voices are far louder than allo aros. Some people have even said that some people refuse to believe them when they say they are aromantic and allosexual because they see aromanticism being always connected to aceness. Examples:

- the reason i sometimes dont click with the ato community is because to me it feels like the biggest part are aroace people and they are the most vocal. and it feels like i lose my voice then. unless im in a non ace group.

- I feel that my attractions are all really deeply connected, which i think may be at least partually due to my aromanticim. Like i think i connect aesthetic, platonic, and sexual attraction in a similar way to the connection an alloromantic allosexual might have between romantic and sexual attraction. This is not 100% of the time, though, and while i usually dont get squishes on people i am not sexually and/or aesthetically attracted to, i can still form platonic relationships with people i am not aesthetically or sexually attracted to just as easily. (im pretty young so i dont have experience with the other two (what would an aesthetic relationship be anyway lmao)). Also, on the subject of people assuming things based on the fact im an allo aro, i do have a lot of people assuming im ace based on the fact im aromantic. Oftentimes they will even forget that i told them i was aro in the first place, but remember the fact that I am supposedly “ace”, which i never said. This fact makes me rather uncomfortable, and also partially leads me to somehow having more of a connection to the term allosexual than any of the many sexual orientations ive tried labelling myself with. I dont know if this is problematic or not, but “Allosexual aromantic” is the way i think of my identity for the most part, not simply aro.

I had originally planned to not put personal comments on this post, but I find I must say something now. This is an, interesting situation, we could say. There are both allo aros who have been stereotyped as too sexual, and allo aros whose allosexuality has been completely erased. While the first situation plays into a lot of other issues, when it comes to the second I would like to ask aroace people: please, please, boost allo aros voices. I know many aroaces have said that they’ve felt erased by the ace community, try to not have the same happen in the aro community. Some aroace people are extremely supportive of allo aros, of course, but I find I can’t disagree when people say overall allo aros are very sidelined in the community.

To move on, a couple arospec people have said they didn’t feel included in the allo aro community on grounds of not feeling that their arospec identity is considered aro enough.

- The times I don’t feel connected to bi/pansexual community (I use both terms) are when romanticism is highlighted (e.g., “love is love,” “hearts not parts” – which is problematic for several reasons anyways). The times I don’t feel connected to aro community don’t have to do with my sexual orientation, but with being quoiromantic. Sometimes people want to draw a hard line between aro and alloro folks, and I just can’t sort myself into either category.

Again, fellow aros, let’s support arospecs a little more.

And other than this, there have been people who have elaborated on how their aromanticism or allosexuality have made it harder to identify the other. Such as:

- An additional answer to the question about sexuality/aromanticism influencing the realization of each other: I'm exclusively attracted to one gender, and when I was first questioning one of the first things I noticed is that my romantic and sexual orientations didn't line up - there was such a clear, distinct difference between my attraction to men and other genders, but there was no such preference when considering the possibility of a romantic relationship, and so on one hand it made it more confusing for sure, but also established early on that my romantic orientation wasn't something typical, which did help out in a way too; this is a pretty unique experience I feel like, applying pretty much only to single gender-attracted aros, but I thought I would share it anyway!

- I struggled a lot between deciding if I could be a lesbian if I didn’t find myself romantically attracted to all girls, but was sexually attracted to most. I assumed it was misogyny and that I would grow out of it. That was not the case but coming to terms with that was hard.

- Because of our aromanticism, i feel like many people don't know who they are sexually attracted to and it leads to confusion for many years. Heck, I still don't really know who I want to have sex with!

- It wasn't until my mid twenties that I even learned aromanticism existed. I spent many years, especially in college, thinking that I was somehow broken and wrong because I couldn't love my partners like others did. I still find it way too easy to slip back into that mentality.

Finally, here’s a couple comments that brought up points no one else did:

- I'm also a relationship anarchist and just recently in that community someone said that "romantic attraction" is nothing but a con, it doesn't exist, and alloromantic and aromantic people are just dealing with the consequences of that fake idea in different ways. I felt invalidated as fuck.

- I don’t know what alterous is. Also I feel it’s important to mention that I personally consider my romantic identity connected to my autism as I view romance as an aspect of socialization. Thank you.

And that, folks, is all. I hope someone has found this interesting.

#aromantic #aro #allosexual aro #allo aro #aro allo #aromantic survey

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