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minimoefoe · 6 months

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pre-8b ftwd ramblings

I have thoughts about 8b so I thought I’d make a post just going through them to get them out of my brain ready for tomorrow and bc it’ll be cool to look back on later. I tried to keep this post semi-organised but it’s defo a bit messy

I haven’t read through every single spoiler/leak that’s out there but I have seen/heard a few bits here and there so maybe don’t read if you wanna avoid them. feel free to add on to this or send me asks about it or whatever, I’m down to hear what ppl think

under the cut bc it's long

character that aren’t Troy thoughts

Charlie - last time we saw her she was literally dying of radiation poisoning and it was implied (/maybe even straight up stated idr) that she was going to die fairly soon but now she’s in promo pics looking completely recovered and I just don’t know how I feel about it. I think if they do something interesting with her instead of just having her back for the sake of it then it’s kinda whatever like okay she’s alive, fine. tho it does take a lot of the weight out of what happened with her in the previous season. I’ve seen in a leak that Madison finds out about Charlie being the one to kill Nick and sends Charlie to Troy (which we’ve seen in promo pics) as a way to basically prove herself/gain forgiveness and I am pretty interested in seeing that play out so

Strand - I was excited to see him reunite with Madison but that has already been shown (idk if it was official or a leak) which is kinda annoying like I wish we coulda had that be surprise bc them seeing each other again is a big deal but whatever I guess. I hope we see them be a duo a bit throughout 8b bc they were great in prev seasons. I found Strand annoying as hell in s7 and his whole pretending to be a different person thing in that clip we’ve seen doesn’t spark much joy like he just irritates me so other than him seeing Madison again I can’t say I have that much interest in whatever it is he has going on. there are some seasons where I don’t mind him as much tho so idk maybe he’ll turn it around somewhere in these eps and I’ll like him again

Daniel - over the last season or three Daniel has grown on me quite a lot so I’m looking forward to seeing more of him. I worry about him potentially wanting to kill Troy which, idk, is it fair enough to want to kill the guy responsible for your daughter’s death? Yes. Do I think he should be over it after 12yrs? Kinda.. I mean, Daniel has got up to a lot through the last few seasons and I think his relationship with Charlie helped a lot with his sadness, anger, etc surrounding Ophelia so while I think it’s obviously fair enough for him to dislike Troy still, I don’t want there to be some ‘Daniel desperately wants to murder Troy in his sleep’ subplot like, hate him, say mean shit to him but I do not care about his sadness about Ophelia anymore sorry move on

Luciana - I don’t really have any huge wants or fears for Luciana in these final eps I just hope she gets some fun stuff to do. I think there’s some small clips in the trailer where it looks like she’s stood with Troy with a bunch of other ppl around which is cool and I’m interested to see how they intersect with each other. I liked her and Daniel a lot in the last season so seeing more of them as a duo would be nice too and I obviously want to see her and Madison reunite

June - I like June but I have zero hopes wants or fears for her. Kill her, don’t kill her, I don’t think I really care. She is not what I’m in these six eps for literally at all

Dwight and Sherry - I beg they get a happy ending like please omfg. I’d kinda kill for them to go back to Alexandria (/the Commonwealth) and be a part of whatever it is they have planned in terms of bringing all the current spin-offs together into one thing. seeing them reunite with a few people and see Negan again would be very cool. I know they go back to the Sanctuary for whatever reason in 8b so they’re gonna be in the area, why not stay there… tbh I don’t know what it would take for them to do that bc I don’t think that’s something either of them would actually want to do but I would like to see it lmao

plot stuff and Troy thoughts

I really don’t want Troy to die. I’ve seen some ppl say they worry it’ll happen and bc of Stuff They Know it’s not looking great for him but I am choosing to not hold onto that too much and have some amount of faith in the writers (which may make me an idiot but whatever). if he doesn’t survive, I hope he dies for a good reason (like to save Madison and/or his daughter) and that he dies in one of the final two episodes and not early on bc bringing a character like Troy back and retconning a death that imo was actually good only to use him for a few eps and kill him again for stupid reasons would just be insane

Troy having a daughter (especially one that he seems to have had via actually getting with a woman lmao) has still not computed in my mind and I’ve had this info for months now. I’ve kinda accepted that it’s a thing that’s happening and I am actually looking forward to seeing it play out but it still doesn’t connect fully lmao. there are aspects of Troy being a dad that I’m excited for like seeing him be protective over someone and presumably caring about someone more than he cares for himself. like sorry to my boy but I wanna see him be angry and sad and lose his mind over things related to getting his kid back bc I think seeing Troy in that state bc he cares about someone so much would just be so interesting

why the fuck is Troy’s daughter (according to leaks so take it with a grain of salt I guess) called Tracy like… I’m hopeful for these six episodes but I fear there is no universe where the writers have put actual thought into that name and what it would mean for Troy to call his kid that. there’s just so much to unpack?? first of all it’s sad as hell like, genuinely, the idea that Troy would name his kid after a mother who he knows didn’t love him is the saddest shit I’ve ever heard and is something that should absolutely be dived into through these eps bc what state of mind does he have to been in all these years later to do that. like is it a thing of he’s accepted that his mother didn’t love him but she was important to him and this is his way of kind of taking back something from that time in his life? idek how to word it. or is it a thing of he’s kinda delusional and has reinvented his mother in his mind into the kind of person who deserves to have a kid named after her? or is it something else? or is it that thing show/movies do where they just name kids after ppl for no fuckin reason bc they just can’t think of new names? I know what I’m betting on

Troy being the villain is very unsurprising like duh but I hope there’s more to it than just him being the bad guy and nothing else. from trailers and misc stuff I’ve seen I’m wondering if maybe his villainy is basically just to do with him wanting his daughter back and at a certain point there will be a switch where him and Madison and co will end up begrudgingly working together on the same goal.

I think Troy’s ‘you took everything from me’ line is referencing his daughter and not the dam bc like.. it’s been 12yrs. I think him still be pissed about the dam is reasonable (much like Daniel still being pissed about Ophelia is reasonable) but Troy finding Madison after all these years all bc of that would be silly. I think the thing Madison took from Troy is his daughter and he basically just caught her (like we’ve seen in that leaked scene) bc he knows she knows about padre and where to find it etc (which I swear we’ve seen him say in a trailer somewhere, like he’s asked what padre is/where to find it) and then somewhere in there obviously everyone is gonna disagree on shit which is why we’ve seen things like the leaked bts thing of Troy and Madison going for each other out in the dark, or him facing of with Luciana. like it seems like maybe chances are they have similar goals (save the kids) but maybe just conflicting ideas about how to go about doing that and knowing Troy he’ll probs get carried away quicker and have more extreme ideas

okay I just rewatched a trailer after typing up that last bullet point and now I’m actually thinking that Troy’s goal is to destroy padre whereas Madison and co’s goal is to keep it safe and that’s what the big fight is about. which also does make sense now that I’m thinking about it. I do still agree my initial thought of Troy wants to get to Madison probably partly bc he just wants to see her again but mainly bc he wants info on padre and he obviously know she has that info bc of the radio message she sent out. and then it somehow turns into I guess Madison wants to save padre and idk make it a better place whereas Troy just wants to destroy the whole thing (presumably once he gets his daughter back? or knowing Troy I wouldn’t put it past him it go in there guns blazing and maybe not think through the fact that his child is in there and could get caught in it. tho maybe he assumes she’s dead). that makes me worry that Troy really is gonna stay in villain mode of the whole season but idk, maybe somewhere in there he will be convinced of a different way to do things, and like I said before, result in them begrudgingly working together

I was thinking that Daniel saying about the dead being Troy’s army wasn’t him saying it as a warning to watch out but as a statement of like almost support for Troy like ‘this guy knows what he’s doing when it comes to weaponising the dead’ but now I don’t think that’s the case bc going by trailers it does seem like Troy is in the opposing side to everyone

I’m interested in the scene where two characters, presumably Troy and Madison, fall off a bridge bc I’m like why are they on the bridge in the first place. I really hope it’s bc they’re going somewhere together and working on something together and not like they’re chasing each other down to murder each other and happen to end up on a dodgy bridge

what the fuck is in that tub thing that Madison has. If it’s Nick’s ashes like I saw someone suggest/saw in a leak I will die bc that it so stupid

also saw in a leak that Madison assumes that Troy murdered the mother of his child which is very interesting. I like the idea that she thinks that but it turns out she actually killed her whenever she took Troy’s kid to padre. Idk. I’m interested to see any kind of background on how Troy got to where he is now. I’m not holding out too much hope for a ton of focus on it, liike I feel like literal flashbacks might be too much to ask for, but I need them to give us something I guess via Troy talking about it (which feels like something he’s not likely to want to do but idk, I can also see him and Madison having the ability to have actual convos with each other despite their relationship obviously being bad like the convos wouldn’t be loving but I can see them telling each other misc things)

thinking about how this is only gonna be six episodes fucks with me bc I feel like I have a lot of wants/hopes for things I wanna see but then I’m like oh yeah this is six episodes in a show with a main cast of like 10 people, Troy is so not gonna get the amount of air time I’d like and it’s gonna be very sad lmao. I don’t want the writers to dismiss other characters bc they did that in the past and I think it’s just shitty but I do hope they kinda recognise that a lot of ppl are probs gonna be watching for Troy and he should get the focus he needs to make him coming back worth it

I saw like two ppl on twitter a few weeks ago theorise about a potential spin-off coming from this spin-off and when I say I need it so badly like.. please. I don’t think there is any evidence to support that a spin-off is coming but i for some reason have this tiny part of me that thinks it’s not impossible. basically I would want it to be a Troy and Madison (or just Troy) spin-off and honestly with how good dead city and daryl dixon were i would have hope it would be pretty good if we got a spin-off that is just centred around a couple of characters instead of an ensemble thing ftwd has going on rn. tbh depending on how s8 ends in terms of where their relationship lies, a Troy and Madison spin-off could be very Maggie and Negan in dead city coded which I would loooove a lot. the final ep

I think Alicia is gonna make an appearance. saw a thing somewhere that said like, someone unexpected shows up or something like that and I’m like…..

I just re-read this so (assuming all of it is true which it may not be idk) I now have a few more tbihgths that i cba integrate into what I’ve already written so it’s going here instead

It says Troy’s daughter goes missing which is vague as fuck but I feel like Troy’s daughter being with padre is the only thing that makes Troy being so passionate about padre make sense so maybe it means she escapes padre, they get her back and then she goes missing or maybe they know she’s in padre but just can’t find her for whatever reason. we know she pops up in front of Madison and asks her something (idr what) so I’m very interested in seeing Madison spend time with Troy’s kid. and I think her finding out/realising it’s Troy’s kid has potential to be funny too

Troy’s daughter’s mum being someone who saved him from the dam makes sense to me like yeah. the person in the screenshot I leaked said he seemed like he might be lying but they also said they think the actual mother might be Alicia so like I’m not holding onto their analysis too much bc that would be dumb as hell

Charlie killing herself a couple of eps into 8b is so stupid like why even bother bringing her back like you’ve retconned her dying of radiation poisoning only to bring her back and barely use her. it’s defo possible she kills herself bc she knows the poisoning is catching up with her but idk, that’s still stupid. I am excited to see her scenes with Madison and Troy but it feels pointless in the grand scheme of things bc these six eps already have enough characters to juggle why add Charlie when there was a simple way of writing her out right there already

conclusion idk

I feel like I had a lot more to say and I kinda regret not making tons of notes over the last few months about my misc thoughts bc it woulda made it a lot easier to compile them all into one post but oh well. overall I think I’m way more excited than I am nervous. there are probs some things they could do that would really irritate me but for the most part I feel like I’m kinda good at just accepting what is happening in a show and being like okay this is what we’re doing now idk

I think one thing that wouldn’t be my fave is if Troy is just 100% villain for the whole season like, if they don’t end it with him joining them (begrudgingly or otherwise) like I’d like, even with him in the villain role I think there is room there to show his non villain side and how he does have a lot going on as a character. but for things like him dying, even though it would suck and imo be a stupid choice, I can see myself being fine with it if it’s done decently

and as for all my theories about what could actually happen story wise, if I’m wrong I’m wrong idrc. it possible a lot of the leaks I’ve seen are waffle but for the purposes of this post it was just easier to go in assuming they’re real. theorising honestly stresses me out bc I hate talking about what ifs like I just wanna know what’s going in fr and analyse that instead of having to think about all these different directions things could go bc we don’t have many concrete answers right now

idk how to end this. bye

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