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the-final-sif · 1 year

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I saw protege c!Tommy mentioned and that reminded me that I do actually enjoy the concept of protege c!Tommy but only when it was not c!Dream's intention. Like, c!Dream was trying to manipulate c!Tommy and spook him and stuff, but that was all he wanted. But then one day for whatever reason c!Tommy wholeheartedly decides "fuck it, I'm done with L'Manberg, come on Dream I'm 100% on your side I want to burn the entire place to the ground"

and then like. c!Dream didn't mean for c!Tommy to like, actually be super on board with this. He was actually kinda hoping to use Tommy to get himself thrown in prison. Fuck.

So now Dream's just got this teenager who has the subtly of a brick tagging along to his Super Evil Plans (yes they're 100% evil do NOT ask questions). He has to explain to c!Punz that they can't making out during their evil planning sessions until he can find a way to ditch Tommy. He's in hell. This wasn't the intended outcome. He needs to get a babysitter or something just to get some alone time with his hot mad scientist boyfriend. Save him.

#sif speaks #c!tommy #c!Dream #protege tommy au #drunz #c!drunz #dreblr #listen I just think this would be very funny #also cc!tommy would've loved this arc #my headcanons #dsmp #dream smp

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demodraws0606 · 7 months

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Sometimes I think people forget that cc!BBH can't breathe on a Minecraft Server without being some kind of character with fucked up morals.

Even PostEggpire!BBH was a bastard who immediatly went on to tourment Foolish (the guy he literally killed a few days before) and constantly avoided taking responsibility for the Eggpire situation (he blamed others and constantly downplayed what happened). He literally tourmented c!Tommy for extremely petty reasons (obsidian-ing his base) and let a terrorist out because he "felt bad for him" which he never admitted to.

And this is THE MOST sympathetic version of one of BBH's characters (Badlands!BBH, Eggpire!BBH and Q!BBH speak for themselves)

#qsmp #q!bbh #c!bbh #c!badboyhalo #q!badboyhalo #cc!bbh #dsmp #again i do have slightly mixed feelings on how c!bbh was executed but thats like neither here or there #and its clear it was cc!bbh's first ever character along with it not being a really good environnement to let his character grow #what i want to say though is that people act as though cc!bbh's characters being fucked up is like #surprising or something but like #this is THE NORM for him #he loves playing fucked up little guys and being scary #and manipulative and just a little slimey bastard #bbh #badboyhalo

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bleue-flora · 3 months

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So while I’m all for drawing the conversation away from legality, trauma, innocence, bashing c!Tommy in the name of c!Dream lol….etc. I did basically write this essay about c!Tommy first and someone asked me to share, so I shall. @poisedava this is for you. ;) <3

Here’s the thing and this is important - it does not go both ways. If c!Tommy wants to be considered an innocent ‘child’, a teenager, a minor, who is too young and naive to know that what he does is wrong and how that hurts people and has consequences then he doesn’t just get to act like an adult and start wars, serve as a government official, build nations, torture, steal, murder, enslave, commit terrorism, blackmail, assassinate…etc and face no repercussions because ‘he didn’t know better.’ If you want to act like an adult then you’ll be treated as such.

Now I don’t believe that we should view the dsmp in the realm of irl crimes, since there is no legal system or set of rules in place in the dsmp (besides the ones c!Dream set and everyone breaks of course), but if ya’ll are going to say c!Dream deserves prison because of his ‘crimes’ and write off c!Tommy’s actions as less because he is a minor then I will look at it, especially because the term ‘minor’ is connected to the legal system of our world and that is where we are deriving this perceived innocence.

On that note, there are crimes in many countries that even if you’re a minor or a child you can be tried as an adult for reasons like a severe crime (for example first degree murder) and/or if it is a repeated offense despite disciplinary actions. In this case, both apply, as many of the things listed above are repeated abhorrent offenses. Secondly, the definition of ‘minor’ and the age of becoming an adult, while typically set at 18 is not universal. In Scotland for instance, 16 is the legal age of adulthood, which is how old c!Tommy was when he joined the smp.

But looking beyond legally speaking, I for one hardly consider 16 to be a child or an innocent naive minor in the first place. At 16 I could legally drive and drove me and my sister to school. I made sure people had what they needed to keep things from falling apart, whether that’s helping with grocery shopping, making dinner, running errands, helping with homework, making lunches… etc. I hardly think someone who drives is a child unable to face consequences like speedings, drinking and driving… etc. On the topic of age I would also like to highlight that the gap is like 5 years, which all things considered is not a very big gap, not to mention one of the reasons young people are considered irresponsible and given a bit of slack is because until the age of 25 your brain is still developing, and as c!Dream was also under the age of 25 that also applies to him and a huge portion of the server.

But being young doesn’t give you a free pass to do whatever you want and then complain about the consequences. You don’t get to just run a red light and kill kids crossing the road and claim innocence because you are a new driver. Because you are young, because you were distracted, because you were just trying to change the song and didn’t see them, because you didn't mean to. You are still responsible for killing people.

And if you don't want to be responsible, if you want to be treated like a child, then stay a child. But as a child you are not considered mature enough to know what is right from wrong, which is where guidance from guardians comes in. Children (really generally speaking), don’t know better, which is why they get grounded, spanked, their mouths washed out with soap, forced to write lines, get things taken away, time out, scolding… etc - punished. They are not free and independent to do what they like. Now obviously, when it comes to the dsmp there are really no such guardians or parents in charge of the minors, but the point still stands, if you do not understand your actions are wrong then someone should teach you and (whether you or not you agree with that) that is often through punishment.

Under that guise, c!Dream taking away c!Tommy’s discs for starting wars and breaking the rules and murdering him, is a form of parenting. (You can argue with whether you consider it good parenting… but that's not really the point). Even further, Exile then could be considered a more extreme form of time out and/or grounding, which is extreme because the violations are extreme. If you steal a cookie you are forced to go to your room for a bit, if you burn down the king’s house then you get exiled from the land. In Exile, he is forced to lose items which could be considered revoking privileges and getting his belongings taken away (like if your parents ever took your phone for a week). Hell, even hitting him with the axe could be seen as a super extreme spanking for not complying with his punishment. Now am I staying that makes it justified? Am I saying those were ok things to happen? Am I saying c!Tommy deserved being treated like that? No. Not really, I am just simply pointing out that in a world where the crime isn’t spray painting a building but burning said building down in an act of terrorism it almost makes sense in a twisted way that the punishments are more severe to fit the infraction.

(I would also like to point out that c!Phil has a moment with c!Tommy where he forced him to smelt stone and then destroy it over and over again and isn’t that kinda what c!Dream was doing in Exile?… just saying, not to say the behavior is right, just something I noticed and thought was interesting.) And the reason why the act of losing items is important is because a huge part of his character arc is surrounded by the value of objects and treating people like he treats objects. It was a big moment of deliberation for him to give up the discs for c!Tubbo’s life. Do you even realize how screwed up that is? A person over an object. But the thing is, somehow in c!Tommy’s mind those two things were synonymous, he was never there for c!Tubbo when c!Tubbo needed someone to have his back. When c!Tubbo goes to get revenge for his missing child and dead husband, he teams up with his literal worst enemies the people who took his canonical lives. Where was c!Tommy?… But whenever c!Tommy needed c!Tubbo to go after c!Dream or support him even with the things c!Tubbo disagreed with, he’s there. Honestly, he’s less of a best friend and more of a sword. The dsmp completes c!Tommy’s character arc by him giving up the discs for c!Tubbo’s life and to for once listen to c!Dream. His character arc, put very very simply, was valuing and treating people as people instead of things.

So the - it’s understandable, it’s less bad than what c!Dream did because he’s young and didn’t know better - is just not reasonable to me. Exile being used as justification isn’t really valid either. Ok so for a week, yea he was abused, he lost his things, people didn’t visit him, sure some were tricked into not visiting him, c!Dream took all of his items over and over, c!Dream hurt him when he did not comply, sure c!Tommy was suicidal as a result. But ya know, when no one else could be bothered to show up, c!Dream came by everyday. Plus abuse on the server is like scuffed so I hardly hold Exile as a gold standard for trauma like y’all I don’t know if I need to make a complication of how many times on the dsmp people hit each other with axes and hurt eachother or force eachother to comply or something. Or if I need to make a list of everytime c!Tommy has done worse even before Exile, but yeeeesh. Like don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Exile was deserved, I don’t think anyone deserves abuse. Period. But on the scale of the dsmp and considering how many people he hurt and the circumstances that got him there, I find it hard to feel for him. And that’s coming from someone who (before medication) used to have panic attacks multiple times a week, who has been bullied, who has been isolated, who has been abandoned and betrayed by my best friends, who has been so so lonely, who has been suicidal, and who was a nasty person as a result of being hurt. So I get it, I really do. But to me it doesn’t really matter much, it doesn’t make him the hero, or redeemed, or innocence, or any more likable, especially when so many other characters on the dsmp have similar instances on their arcs.

And if we want to compare, c!Tommy’s ‘crimes’ to c!Dream’s because he’s ‘just as bad,’ the thing is, I’m not so sure that’s true, for many reasons. One of which is that c!Dream has really only ever reacted. Over and over he gets pushed into reacting, but usually he gives people a way out and he tries to do the better thing at first, but eventually after failing he turns towards the latter. While on the other hand, c!Tommy continues to provoke, over and over and over. Look no further than the finale where he shows up to the prison to assassinate c!Dream, after c!Dream literally hasn’t done anything to him since the prison break (unless you count c!Tommy and c!Wilbur breaking in… which again - provoke). And there really is no such transformation for c!Tommy, he doesn’t start off trying to do the right thing at all, which also brings us to motivation… which continues to baffle me, what is c!Tommy’s motivation? Because if it’s truly to have a home and be happy with his friends then why does he constantly do things that would jeopardize that?

So, you want me to feel bad for and root for someone - who often worked against their own stated motivation, who did drugs, tortured people, started wars, killed, enslaved, destroyed, used, stole, was sexist, xenophobic, disrespectful and constantly talked over people, who didn’t even have his friend’s back more importantly his best friend’s, c!Tubbo’s, back who continued to risk his life for c!Tommy’s schemes - because what? He is a minor? Because he was abused and suicidal after facing the consquences of his own actions? Because we get his pov? Because he declared himself the hero? Because c!Dream personally targeted him for no reason - because he’s so innocent and was no threat to c!Dream… after he literally KILLED HIM multiple times with much less armor, then with no armor at all (in one of the first streams)? …..…. Like heh?

Ah nah you’re so right… c!Dream definitely deserved prison - He killed c!Tommy after all!… in a war, where he was given a chance to surrender or face no mercy… in a fair dual, where he set the terms… in prison, where he provoked c!Dream, killed the cat c!Dream admitted to caring about all after c!Dream had been no doubt going insane from being isolated in prison for months already… I mean… come on, in no way do I see any of those as specifically targeting c!Tommy (don’t even get me started on the finale where he mentions Spirit just to piss c!Dream off).

And ya know, after saying all of that, I would even go as far as to say that c!Tommy is not a hero, nor even an anti-hero, since he is neither selfless, noble or full of goodness, which are some of the more fundamental qualities. In fact, Theseus, who c!Techno calls c!Tommy, is a Greek hero who in the beginning becomes infamous because he slays many savage murderers and monsters on his way to Athens. But I ask you, what savagery has c!Tommy stopped? What noble feats has he done for the sake of the safety of people?… He may be a protagonist, but honestly I don’t think he qualifies as a hero. Sure, both c!Dream and c!Techno’s reference Theseus, but they are really more highlighting the end of his life. Overall, I don’t think hero (even a flawed Greek one) is an adequate description for him. Perhaps anti-villain would be more fitting, a villain with some heroic traits?… I mean his most heroic moments are probably the duel, willing to fight in doomsday with or without help, and willing to be nuked, but like eh… the first two were over a piece of land, a country. It wasn’t about protecting people. I mean in both of those he was part of provoking the conflict in the first place, so is it heroic to help in a conflict that you helped cause? And in the last one, I mean it is the end of his arc so anti-villain technically still works for having a good selfless heroic moment at the end ;) ……

#ummm… welp don’t y’all just love me going off on Tommy XD lol… this was fun… >:) that boy is a menace lol #c!tommy #and the fact that cc!Tommy made a comment when watching the lore with Technodad about him thinking he was a good guy at the time #but now on retrospect him seeing that that wasn’t really the case is 10/10…#dsmp analysis #umm if I didn’t mention a point here it is probably in another post about Tommy like the one I posted recently…#c!dream #c!dream and c!tommy #did someone order an essay?#welp consider it delivered hope you enjoyed it #this is fine #dsmp #dream smp #dreblr #c!discduo #dsmpblr #c!tommyinnit #c!clingyduo #dsmp exile arc #dsmp finale #c!tubbo #ya know if Tommy has problems with treating people as items … that really is getting into anti social personality disorder…#probably a narcissist honestly…. yea that would probably be right… huh….#thanks to everyone who took the time read this <3 <3 <3 #did I bash tommy enough?…oooof… call a medic lol XD

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the-crimson · 10 months

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I’m not sure how to word my sadness while scrolling through the qsmp tag this morning. There was only one person that I saw (well I saw other people mentioning them as id blocked them about a week ago lmao) stiring the pot and being negative/racist while most others were either reacting to the cesspool that is Twitter or that one person which was kind of creating an echo chamber of worry/negativity.

Unfortunately there isn’t really anything we can do about the assholes other than block and move on. Don’t engage with them as they are looking for that. They want outrage and drama.

The only thing we can do is be extra positive towards the ccs. Encourage them, make more fan content supporting their rp choices, engage in the fandom in a positive way to drown out the negative.

The qsmp is very special. Don’t let the ass holes ruin it for you. Take a break from Twitter if you need to. Block people and report them for hate speech if need be. Be a positive force to counter the negativity

Forever and Cellbit were talking about cross banning everyone shitting on Bagerah and I think that is the best way we can also proceed. Don’t give the assholes any attention. Don’t argue with them. Just block and move on/continue supporting the ccs.

Please don’t let this fandom turn into the dsmp fandom

#qsmp #crimson speaks #discourse #dsmp mention #we’ve already lost a few Spanish ccs to the hate #let’s try not to lose others #I’d say just stop using twitter #but that’s where most of the ccs are #and if the positive fandom stopped using Twitter the ccs would only see the negative #:/#I’ve never used Twitter #that shit would be terrible for my mental health #I kinda wanna delete and rewrite my post about the forever Leo situation #cuz I wrote it when it was three in the morning #and I don’t think I worded myself properly/it came off more negative than I intended #I love all the choices cc!forever has made #his character is fascinating and not perfect #like every character #and that’s a good thing

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afmis · 5 months

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Even if the dsmp is momentarily put in the back of my mind, whenever I do start to think abt it again I am ASTOUNDED by how genuinely amazing it was. I have genuinely never found anything as interesting, emotional, and captivating as the dsmp and the characters in it. The fact that those characters were real, fleshed out people at one point is what made is so unique and beautiful, and nothing else will top that. It was such an incredible thing and till this day I smile when I think abt it

#btw c!ranboo made me write this #i love them #they’ll forever be one of my favorite characters #but just all the characters in general and the story #even c!dream despite my hate for actual cc dream #they were so REAL and amazing #I won’t stand for any dsmp slander from old dsmp fans #GTFOOOO LOSER #It was BEAUTIFUL #unless you’re criticizing it for genuine good reasons. So me fr #but if ur just saying its cringe IDC GTFOOO #anyways. I love those guys #I love the dsmp sm #dsmp

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rachelsquill · 5 months

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i really miss being as passionate abt something as i was during the height of dsmp.

i still love dsmp and i enjoy qsmp but i just feel like i dont have anything that im super passionately into because no matter how hard i try nothing seems to awaken that spark in me

#rachel rambles #it doesnt help that while i still love a lot of dsmp chars its kinda tainted by some ccs #idk i just probably need to watch some vods and refresh my interest #idk guys idk

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itssideria · 1 year

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alright. i've gone to bed. i've had time to think it over. i don't hate it nearly as much as did last night (although i remain pretty fucking disappointed) because, well. i genuinely do think it was just some HORRIBLE framing lmfao. i don't think it was ctommy forgiving cdream or that it was meant to make the other characters' struggles meaningless or that it was written to disrespect the fans. i still think it was shit, but not intentionally so. there was so much love in there. those first three streams and the first half of this one were some of the best work on the smp i've ever seen. above all else, we know that cctommy loved his silly little character just as much as we did, and we will finally get to hear about him from the writer himself. and, well. i'm a writer too. gonna making up ALLLLL my own headcanons babeyyy

#mari talks #dsmp critical #dream smp #for reference. unless something changes w ccdream i am probably not watching season 2 #i dont regret loving or being involved in s1! but i do not want the rug pulled out from under me like that again LMFAO #and also. well. green mans a piece of shit #but im a lot more okay with the ending this morning #i dont love it. i dont even like it. but it happened and its over and there are some really beautiful concepts hidden in all the bullshit #cclingy and ccrime will always mean so so much to me #lmanberg and nlm snd snowchester and las nevadas will always mean so much to me #ctommy and cwilbur are some of favorite characters in media. ever.#and i loved their arcs and stories right up until (almost) the end #and the end wasnt as horrible as it felt upon first reading #waiting on that cc stream #and. well. going on with my day :')

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skimmeh · 1 year

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ack the stuff you said about dsmp and its ending and stuff—i feel that. its like this painful nostalgia of what the thing used to be and the fact that it’ll never happen again… i get nostalgic over the lmanburg anthem lmao. im still having a hard time getting over it ahaha.

i honestly hate the ending but i suppose it had to end sometime. Season 2 getting canceled… like you said, there is some comfort in that, but at the same time its so sad to think that it’s finally, officially over. two years of watching funny block men play the funny block game. it was so fun.

is feeling this way over a silly minecraft server overreacting? maybe. but nonetheless theres still that sadness. i just pretend theres a real ending where the nuke doesnt blow everyone up and these amazing characters ive grown to love just live on in their happy little lives.

anyway just wanted to say this after seeing your recent post. in all honesty, i miss dsmp. but seeing that someone i look up to feels the same way i do makes it a little bit easier to bear, i think. so thank you./gen

Hello anon!!! I'm glad I was able to make you feel comforted and better with just a silly Tumblr post (which also was a bit of a rant haha)

Yeah, it's a painful kind of nostalgia. Which is a bit bitter (due to the nature of how ...the dsmp sorta had a very, rather than ending with a big bang, it was more sorta drawn out thin and had a more than unsatisfying ending. its okay,I think as a fandom we are all making our own au endings to replace that one haha)

And despite all the hardship around this dumb lil server, I don't think I regret getting into it. And I still teasure the story and characters so dearly.

I think you're aloud to have such strong feelings over a silly lil thing, cos I think we're past the point of thinking it is dumb to be so invested in a Minecraft server. It was so fucking cool, and not just the server, the fancontent. I would argue that was the thing that made it so loved and engaging to be a part of. The fan content was unmatched and filled with talent.

People who think it's dumb to have a generally fun time within a fandom and to mourn that when it ends, are boring. Yeah it was a Minecraft rp, but it was also the some of the funnest times I've ever had within a fandom.

The dsmp may have ended but the creativity that made it so great is still here, with the fan content and cc, who will go onto new things and continue to make great things and improve.

And besides the story and characters are still there. It's like putting one of your favourite book on a shelf. You can always revisit the story, maybe take something different from it after time.

And I'm sure there will still be fancontent created from the characters, I know I still plan on drawing and writing stuff.

I can't let go of these characters just yet haha.

It's just now there's room for more things, I don't think anything will replace what the dsmp was,I don't want that.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm excited to see what comes next!!! And I'm thankful for the experience of what the dsmp was.

#asks #dsmp #and my feelings towards this silly server #i still love it hhggg #and yeah not to point a finger at a certain problematic creator that kinda ruined it a lil towards the end #im still thankful for the two plus years of story and characters we got #its real bittersweet #damnit ccrimeboys and your grib you have over me #this ask was my excuse to ramble about my feelings on the dsmp haha #im excited to see whats next ...i mean im not that sad #cos ive still got hermitcraft and life series and other things still ongoing #and there's that qsmp that quackity doing that im excited for!!! and even the non Minecraft stuff some of the over cc are doing #like genloss and sorry boys and all that stuff #its exciting :')

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