Unfortunately due to TOH being cut short by Disney a lot of character arcs and more storyline could not be fully fleshed out and finished as Dana had to wrap up everybody’s story in just a few episodes
I'm fully aware that Disney's intervention is responsible for a lot of the plotlines getting suffocated. Which is why I don't think it's fair to go harassing crew members with "why didn't THIS happen??" and all that, because nobody really knows what they endured working on those final episodes and how much they had to cut and rewrite. But from things Dana has said, it was likely a very stressful and exhausting experience. So I don't like to make assumptions about the crew being incompetent. Nobody knows how the season WOULD have turned out if they had been granted full creative freedom and breathing room to develop it to their hearts content.
However, me not directing personal ire towards the crew doesn't mean that I think that the show is immune to criticism. Its flawed. It might not be entirely the crew's fault but that doesn't mean we can't talk about how it's flawed. If anything, I think acknowledging and dissecting its weaknesses is a good learning opportunity for what we should consider when creating our own stories.
Season 3 is a bit of a mess. There's good stuff. There's some less than good stuff. I think ultimately, as a story about Luz, King and Eda, it knocks it out of the park. When they were left with no other option, they decided to prioritize the writing of their three protagonists and I think that was the correct choice.
But I've been thinking about the three specials and how they stand on their own, quality wise, and honestly, there's valid criticism to be said that is completely unrelated to the shortening.
Bear in mind that the crew has known since Follies that the show was getting cut short and they needed to start wrapping up loose ends. So it's not like they started writing Thanks to Them believing it was the first of 20+ more episodes. They knew that they were going to be writing a 40 minute special. So the execution had to be tight, concise and satisfying, right?
Well...it was....weird. Definitely fun. Good for fan service. The main hook was the witch kids navigating the human world in their dorky witchy way. And initially, that was enough. But once the novelty of that wears off and we focus on the plot of the special, what do we have left?
Thanks to Them is very guilty of lore baiting. Dropping in stuff that they know damn well that they're never going to elaborate on, leaving the audience with a feeling of intrigue that is never going to be satiated.
I personally think that is just bad writing. They knew they didn't have a full season 3 and rather than rewrite the means of which the hexsquads finds answers, they still made the choice to drop in what are most likely vague ideas from the initial draft.
I think, if they had no intention of developing it in future specials, there was no point to that scene of Masha telling the Wittebane story. It was just...filler. To stretch out the running time. Which is....kind of precious. Only 40 minutes. If you're obsessive enough about lore, you already knew the story from the Hollow Mind paintings. That scene was for casual viewers. Which is useless, because there's no point in casual viewers learning about Evelyn and Caleb because it never went anywhere.
Also. I personally think that if there was any value to learning the Wittebane lore without making it plot relevant, it would be for the sake of character development. We wanted to know how the kids would react to this knowledge.
Well how did they react?
*Shrug* They seemed a little unnerved but they kinda forgot about it the second they got off the hayride.
So what was the point of all that? What was the point?
Is it because we wanted "Goodbye, Evelyn," to be more of gut punch?
Was it worth it? Was "Goodbye, Evelyn" worth it? We know fucking nothing about Evelyn.
I think the rebus was a stupid and lazy means for the kids to discover Titan's blood. You introduce this mysterious object that was hidden under the floorboards and then you just use it as a plot device.
When the kids uncover the rebus and find the secret code inside, the viewer is not thinking about how it can be used as a means to an end (finding blood) The viewer is thinking "what the fuck is that thing and how did it get there and how did Flapjack know it was there?"
Questions that will not be answered <333
ALL IM SAYING is that I'm sure the crew could have come up with another way for the kids to have a Titan's blood treasure hunt. Maybe they could have dug a little more into the history of Gravesfield and follow leads on weird things happening on this one spot in the graveyard (which turns out to be because there's magical energy there, revealed when Luz realizes she can use glyphs)
I just think that if you're gonna leave the mystery box a mystery, you shouldn't have included it.
And I know. Its subtle storytelling. There's elements of what could have been a far more complex story and they're leaving hints of it here and there.
Well the thing about that is I think the hints are very unsatisfying and weaken the episode's plot significantly.
Also I don't think they should get to just pick and choose what parts of the lore are subtle and what parts are ham-fisted.
YES we are going to be reminded like three times that Flapjack is being secretive and hiding things from Hunter.
NO we are never going to get a payoff for that because he gets shanked and dies first.
BUT!! BUT!! If you squint, its IMPLIED that Flapjack belonged to Evelyn and blah blah blah
You don't get to rub things in the audience face and then choose to be all subtle about it at the last minute. Pick one or the other.
Anyway....I think they could have written Thanks to Them as more of an intriguing and suspenseful horror mystery where they spend forty minutes gathering clues and everything finally clicks together at the very end. That's not what we got.
We got a very weak attempt on the Hexsquad's part to be little detectives, but like a minute of screen time was devoted to them dicking around in a library, a costume shop, and a zoo.
I don't think we can blame the shortening for this.
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i honestly do not understand this never ending conversation about tay’s lack of promo. i know to some people the success / numbers is a big part of stan culture meanwhile im truly just here to enjoy the music so maybe that’s why i don’t get it. but regardless, the artist in question is TAYLOR SWIFT? yes for smaller artists there is maybe more concern about charting and numbers but i have literally zero doubt that ttpd will debut at number 1 and quite frankly, i doubt taylor does either. her fame has surpassed the need for promo. i don’t think there’s anyone that would be even slightly interested that doesn’t know she has an album dropping
i also think the people complaining / worrying about the lack of promo are severely undervaluing the merits of the subtle promo strategy. like i said, at this point in her career taylor doesn’t need to worry about getting listeners, but probably if she was doing more promo that would definitely cause backlash. and if she released a lead single ahead of time it would just give people the opportunity to make judgements and write up criticisms and possibly deter certain people from listening to the rest because they would feel they heard enough and imagine the rest would be the same. instead, she’s building massive anticipation. everybody is going to be listening bc she’s been so cryptic about it that no one knows what to expect. sometimes no promo IS the best promo.
and lastly, i think another big part of why certain swifties want a massive promo campaign is the desire for more “content” from taylor. i think this is inherently problematic regardless but especially with an album dealing with such personal emotional pain, i understand why she might not want to go on a massive campaign talking about it. instead, she’s having a great week hanging out with her new boyfriend at coachella and knowing that is making me way happier than if she was suiting up doing interviews every night. let’s all please try to stop exploiting taylor and demanding things of her and instead remember that she’s also just a human that has a right to live her life as she chooses, even during an album release week
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people be really stanning obito when he committed crimes and ruined a young beautiful couple's life and then be hating on itachi. so unserious just say you hate pretty and popular people
just say you hate pretty and popular people
Hehehe, yeah. Look at this beauty.
*swoons*
Jokes aside. It's baffling how people favour Obito over Itachi and then there are those who wonder how can people love Itachi and think so highly of him. I've never understood love for Obito, at least at Itachi's expense. Obito wanted to change the system. Which one? He himself created the problem by attacking the village.
Minato and Kushina didn't deserve to die the day their son was born. Naruto didn't deserve to go through any of what he did. Itachi didn't deserve to be put in the position where he had to choose between not to let a horrific war happen and kill his parents. Sasuke didn't deserve to go through literally anything he did since his childhood. Yahiko didn't deserve to die either. Nagato didn't deserve to lose his best friend. Konan didn't deserve to lose the love of her life. Akatsuki could have been revolutionary in keeping the peace.
People blame Danzo, but was Danzo alone in all this? Surely, Obito and Danzo didn't work as a team but their goals seemed to work out just fine from the beginning. Itachi should be blamed, but Obito planning war was okay. Many would say 'he was just lying to Sasuke to make Itachi look like a good guy'. If so, why was he sneaking into the village. And if the clan had actually revolted, he'd have taken advantage of the incident too. He wasn't visiting the village for the sake of nostalgia and some picnic.
Not just that, he knew from the start Kakashi wasn't responsible for Rin's death. He knew Rin committed suicide and Kakashi was suffering from the trauma as a result. Yet he blamed him and his whole arc is about that.
He was all about his pain, his sufferings - which I do not deny - and how the world needs to know and pay for what was done to him.
Itachi on the other hand never had much of a choice. Still he took the responsibility (which his haters somehow don't see) and never made his pains others' problems.
In the evil hierarchy of the Uchiha clan Itachi must be at the second lowest. The lowest would be Sasuke, who doesn't actually kill people. xD
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THIS👏IS👏NOT👏ANAKIN
Hear me out, why would Ahsoka even see him in the world between worlds? We know that Anakin can appear as a force ghost in the real world, so why would it be hear that he magically decided to see her for the first time in FIVE YEARS?
With his appearance, again, why would he feel the need to appear in his full clone wars era robes? We know he appears in the standard jedi robes to others, so why would he opt for his old ones now? And the LIGHTSABER?! That’s VADERS LIGHTSABER. Why would Anakin feel the need to dress how he did as a Jedi, but then hold his sith lightsaber?
The odd de-aging thing they did could play into this too. Why would he choose to look like a 20 year old when Ahsoka and everyone else knows that he’s died in his fourties? And before people go after how he looked young in the return of the jedi remake, that’s because he was IN HIS TWENTIES when they filmed that. They would do the same if they filmed hayden in his fourties’, as we saw in the kenobi series. So why do they now care that he looks a certain age for perhaps a certain era?
Jacen does the “I have a bad feeling” shtick, but this time it feels more sinister. And while this can absolutely apply to morgan and crew going to thrawn and ezra, I feel that it applies to everything going on in the episode. Sabine is being tempted by attachment for ezra and is risking the new republic. Ahsoka being tempted by the same thing, but she can’t change anything about hers, or can she? Perhaps if anakin wasn’t REALLY Anakin and just a decoy to lure her into a false sense of safety and use her to change something drastically in the past.
Also, VADERS THEME JUST PLAYING AT THE END?! After everything, you can’t tell me that it’s just a simple reminder of the past. Baylan directly told ahsoka that like her master, her legacy is one of death and destruction right before she fell off the cliff. The fact that those two are referenced in the same episode tells me that ahsoka will be faced with a challenge, one that could lead her on a path like anakins if she gives in to the temptation.
I truly think that there’s foul play involved. Some dark entity is trying to use anakin as a weak spot, trying to alter him to pull ahsoka into that false sense of security to make her more susceptible to dark influence. Or maybe not and felony has no vision and will try to once again put full blame on jedi for their genocide and show ahsoka as forgiving him for all of his crimes because “oooo the jedi failed US so they’re responsible for our actions🥰”
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