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cornus27florida · 5 months

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I think all three of the Plaid brothers share the blame for the engagement fiasco. Blaine for admitting that Gwen doesn’t meet his standards for beauty and Lance for admitting that they made Frederick go through with courting Gwen. Frederick fell for Gwen for real but of course he didn’t realize she overheard him.

That's true, all of the three Plaid Princes are share the blame for the engagement fiasco - but imho the blame actually for all parties involved. Which means even Pastel Princesses in wrong on some parts too. Like what Jamie said in ep 155 (although in different context, BUT Gwen eat poisoned apple is the result of engagement fiasco) "it was a bit of everyone's fault" -> Please, the following wall of text are not character bashings btw, I just tell honest canon facts from my personal opinion - and pointing out some canon things that might be forgotten by fandom. There's so many hates and bashings toward certain characters and I am intend to peace it out

You are right about the engagement fiasco as part of Plaid Princes' fault, but the reactions of Pastel Princesses are also the part of the fiasco. Why I said that, here the following:

Blaine painted himself as a hypocrite when trying to vouch for Frederick, and indirectly tell Gwen is ugly (quote: stop being absurd, Maria! You two are ACTUALLY beautiful)

Maria is stunned after that and called him the one with ugly side (hypocrite) - this is true BUT this also the leading point where Blaine fell harder to the darkness side, he becomes so cold he calls Gwen ugly again later around prison cell (oh, and his mockery to Frederick too). Blaine later on tricking Maria to opening the door, which make the invasion could happen, Leland's "not so nice plan" begin comes in the motion. The fiasco is the trigger to stop the "nice way" plan completely

Let's move to Lance and Lorena. Lance is a dumb goof without tact - so when he helps to vouch for Frederick (about his love devotion to Gwen) - I take that his saying of "forced" actually unintentional, like at ep 24 where he accidentally painted Frederick in bad light as someone that took too long in the loo. Lance actually means to highlighting the 'carried Laverne several times to see Gwen'-but he's honestly kinda distant with Frederick as brothers and still thought that Frederick forced to do those things by their father. This is not true as we the one with reader had the narrative to know the truths BUT the characters aren't yet. Lorena along with Maria getting mad (rightfully indeed) about the implication of forced love between Frederick and Gwendolyn = Frederick's love to Gwen not genuine - when in reality it's the opposite. Lorena is the hard headed one from the Pastel siblings, and she is also the one that calls Frederick as the monster. This likely the one that make to Lance completely mute (likely thinking that words aren't good as he believes he can't explain things well) at the Frederick's prison cell, and had wrong thinking that the best way is going along with Leland's plan - as 'supporter' to the invasion plan

Let's move to the last couple which (my OTP) the green pair Frederick/Gwendolyn, before I like to apologize to kinda out of trail by also pointing out the implications of the engagement fiasco BUT I find it's important to highlighting implicit message from the CPC: everything that happened isn't merely coincidence, it's happen for reasons

Frederick fell for Gwen for real but of course he didn’t realize she overheard him -> I want to pointing out that I disagree with the notion. Frederick has inkling of the idea that something is wrong with Gwen especially with how often she put 'fake smiles' with hint of sadness. He try to learn the truth along with coincidentally to be fell in love with her genuinely - which clearly shown at Jamie's Art Show where he confronting Gwen (ep 106) with this : " Did I do something to hurt you when we first met? " -> this means Frederick already had inkling idea that he hurts Gwen somehow when he first met her, but he's not sure about what exactly so he asks Gwen about it directly. He didn't realize (or, aware) that Gwen hides under the table and hears everything. He believes that talk only known by Blaine, and then extended to his own family as got telly talled the next day (ep 16). Remember how shocked the expression of he is that even shaking at ep 132 when he realizes that Gwen overhears him?

Frederick's confrontation at ep 106 isn't leads or 'forced' on by anyone, it's come from his conscience after the CPC intruder arc - that previously missed chance at Gwen's dinner party because Gwen fell asleep early. In that conscience, as hyper aware person - he connects the hint dots as interacted with the CPC. The CPC aware of his (initial) feelings, and attacking him for it - means there's mistake that he He didn't know exactly but very close about it.

Let's see Prez quote to Frederick at ep 85!

"You've got real nerve thinking that being chummy with her will atone you of everything you've made her through" -> after that Frederick in total confusion about what's Gwen going trough, because we know freddolyn is a pairing with abysmal communication as the crown queen is Gwen by making her confrontation to just want to be friend becomes to sounds like a threat to haunting Frederick forever. Later on Frederick knows the complete truth in Whitney's slumber party, but again it's thanks to the CPC not Gwen.

Gwen is very sweet and the kindest girl indeed, but she isn't perfect as if I could say her ultimate flaw is her abysmal communication skill. Shortening up words that totally make different meaning. Putting up fake smiles and hiding the truths, it's only thanks to the CPC that she begins open up and telling her problems. Gwen also dislike confrontations and believe certain truths is well keep hidden which leads to the whole CPC story: how she didn't want to ruin her sisters engagements because her paired prince didn't want her, how she suddenly meets the CPC as the result of she's running at the haunted forest while crying when her family members are thought that she just going to the bed, and how she believes that if Frederick never knows the truth forever - it's the only way for their happily ever after (that's not true + unhealhtly)

Back at "the engagement fiasco", which also the perfect ultimate example of 'bad-poor communication kills' troupe (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoorCommunicationKills). It's happened as waffle note papers raining down to the rose hall at the end of the gala during the Proposals. Frederick learns the truth in the worst possible way, he's hurting so much - as well Gwen.. I am gonna to focus solely to them in the following paragraphs....

Gwen quickly come on his defense right before her sisters ready to attacking Frederick, then she's explaining that she knows about ugly mockery already. This shocking everyone espc Frederick. After that, Frederick hurriedly come to Gwen and apologize (as now, he knows the context). Then her sisters asked why Gwen never tell about it to them and why she defending Frederick. Gwen explains that the last thing she wants is to ruins her sisters happiness (because she knows if her sisters know the truth, they called off their own engagements immediately) - and she believes that she and Frederick gotten to know each other better UNTIL she see her own reflection at the glasses floor of the rose hall.

Then her negative hallucinations come full force, and she begins to get delusions - believing that the girls that called her "ugly duckling" is right with how hideous she looks at reflection. Right at previous ep, 131-Gwen totally anchoring her whole well being to Frederick's love with the quote :

"I don't care if I'm an ugly duckling like those girls said... ... because Prez was right. She doesn't transform into a beautiful swan at the end of the story. She just dicovers her own beauty. ...And my beauty exist... ...in Frederick's eyes"

So as she get sudden shocking situation of engagement fiasco, she's frozen and totally not know what to do. She can't communicating properly as well, so instead telling that the gala guests called her ugly duckling - she tells that (previous) Frederick is right about her being ugly while crying...

Frederick right after that quickly approaching her and tell "No, Gwen you're wrong! I think you're beautiful".. Then her sisters shuushing Frederick by screaming him as monster.

As Gwen anchoring her self to Frederick's love, this becomes unhealthly of "I need him". Her sisters try to calms her down with Lorena says that Gwen didn't need anyone (like Frederick) to tell her as beautiful - Gwen just need to looking at the mirror. Then Gwen says that her sisters won't understand (sadly it's true, because the one that truly will understand what's Gwen going through is Lilyth as her mother and experienced something similar - been called as ugly, one is by the loved one's family while the other by the romantically loved one self in the past) that her reflection totally shattered (shameless promotion but please at least read ch 7 of my fic that explain more about feeling shattered : https://archiveofourown.org/works/51450922/chapters/130267924#workskin because the "shattered" topic is heavy ).

We then have Frederick absolutely broken in wreck, falling and crutching at his head - and totally frozen to can give any response after that. Then we get the following fiasco between Maria and Blaine, Lance and Lorena - which make Gwen ever more sad (please... Anything but this). Princesses go with broken hearts. The Princes stuck in the Rose Hall - and their father comes from behind and telling that the engagement indeed scheme for Plaid Kingdom. We get absolute angsts as the ending of season 4 part 1 - "yay~". Cheers with the glass filled by own tears

And at the end (epilogue) - remember that, even with how heartbreaking that fiasco is that resulting to heartbreaks for the Pastel Princesses and punishments for the Plaid Princes.. The ultimate goal for Isolde make the engagement fiasco with waffle note happen BECAUSE she wants the Pastel Princesses to be protected within their own castle - which gives some home advantages like Lorena's project and the Pastel Maid Ensemble AND basically the help from the CPC that warned by Frederick could kinda come in right time. Another unintentional goal for the fiasco is to give truth bomb to Frederick and Gwendolyn, as the latter planned to never tell the truth to her romantically loved one - which might make the history of Jack/Lilyth relationship (loving with secrets) - be on repeat = not to make unhealthly romantic relationship on repeat. Harsh indeed, but sadly and unfortunately is necessary action to do. Isolde didn't trusts her own sons because Leland make her so separated and stoic to them in the name of "royal way".

Could it (the engagement fiasco) go differently, without crushing the hearts of Pastel Princesses and Plaid Princes got punished tragically? Yes, in alternate universe maybe. Like what-if Isolde trusts her own sons more and believes they're capable to break free from Leland? How I wish for multiple time if things go differently (like, I have an altenative universe scenario where Frederick learn the truth after the gala from the CPC, then he sent letter that explicitly should be opened with Gwen and her siblings to shows that yes he's an idiot in the past but now he truly loves her - and he's hurt with how Gwen kept the truth from him, but as they are love each other he's willing to trust Gwen again as long as from now on - she's completely honest with him so if he ever do any mistake again, he could make amends for it)

The closing image is kinda of burn salve for the fiasco pains

#cursed princess club #character analysis #really long post #I hope you like it me writing so many in mobile haha also I like to know your response!#this post also make me busy with CPC wiki quotes

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skitskatdacat63 · 10 months

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thinking so hard about . when exactly in the martian timeline they hated and loved eachother can u help me .. cause after turkey 2010 they had their love moments as well and even in 2012 they had their buddy buddy moments so idk !!! they’re confusing

OH MY GOD IM SO SORRY I MEANT TO REPLY TO THIS AND THEN I JUST COMPLETELY FORGOT, SO: hello :D

This is something I think about often as well. Teammates are a weird dynamic in F1 because you're forced to compete for the same resources and against each other in the WDC, but at the same time have to still think combined for the team, for the WCC. I think teammate relationships are like being siblings or like being in a marriage(actually I think Mark has said this before haha.) You can never fully hate or separate from each other, even if you go through rough patches, because you're stuck together and have had the same experiences, for good or for worse.

Turkey 2010 is funny because I think that was one of their first bad moments as teammates, right? And I love that RBR made them take that couples therapy, "us in our get-along shirt", picture. That's what I mean by going through the same experiences, like yeah they were probably pissed at each other but were also probably bonding over the hilarity/awkwardness of RBR making them do damage control.

I just think it's probably difficult to stay upset with someone consistently when you're constantly working with them, and you've also experienced the highest highs and lowest lows with each other. I think I referenced this in my Martian champagne pics post but it's kinda funny when you look through all of those shared podiums that Mark always seemed to be way more willing to spray Seb and smile at him when Mark was the one who won(Literally 3/4 of the pics from that post when they were both at RBR were from Mark's wins.) Like it was such a "I can't stay mad at you 🤭" relationship with them. Like with Mark in particular, it feels like whenever he got a better result, he was mostly like "I shall forgive your transgressions." But then 2013 was kind of the last straw for him, with Multi-21, and especially since he really was getting crushed by Seb and not even getting any wins like in the prev years. But then, by removing himself from it all when retiring, he was able to take a step back and see what it was like to not be in constant, direct competition anymore.

Idk if I'm the best person to ask as I don't think I'm in any measures a great Martian scholar. But these are my thoughts :D I just think being teammates in such a competitive environment can result in such love-hate relationships and that Martian is one of the greatest examples of how it fluctuates. I think it'd be really difficult to try and parse when exactly they were on good or bad terms. For me, tbh I think it kinda correlates with Mark's results because I think with just that whole situation, where they were in as teammates directly competing at the very top, it was a lot easier for Mark, rather than Seb, to start feeling resentment as he was generally drawing the shorter straw most of the time.

Basically, teammates(Martian especially) are bonded through triumph and trauma

#wow wrote a lot haha #i never ended up posting it but i drafted a post w similar thoughts to what i said here #like how martian has a rly odd relationship bcs yeah they were both competing w each other at the top constantly #but then both of their peaks in terms of results were when they were teammates #so you can't really think of either of their most successful periods without thinking of the other!!#like yeah im annoyed at my teammate for screwing me but hey look at us!! winning the wcc!!#but that thing i said abt podiums is so true hahaha pls look its kinda hilarious to me #but yeah i wouldnt say im a martian scholar or anything as i havent been here all that long #but these are my thoughts!!#teammates in f1 remind me kf what being siblings is like #you go through rough patches and are annoyed w each other but cant imagine what itd be like without them #because theyre the only person who understanda the greater circumstances that youre under and relates!!#i cant find it but theres some quote i really love about not wanting to lose a sibling bcs it is the most unique dynamic #and that is how teammates are to me!!#catie.asks.#martian #sebmark

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