#i want so badly shouto and touya to be on this

[hella1975]

'just keep your eyes on me, okay?' THATS LITERALLY ALL HE EVER WANTED HE JUST WANTED HIS DAD TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM HE JUST WANTED TO BE GOOD ENOUGH HE TRIED TO BE GOOD AND IT KILLED HIM

#HOW IS ANYONE PICKING ENDEAVOUR LOOK AT WHAT HE FUJCKIKNG DID #HOW DO PEOPLE MISREAD TOUYA SO BADLY??? YET THEY'RE SO QUICK TO JUSTIFY ENDEAVOUR?? #'TOUYA WAS JUST JEALOUS AND WANTED ATTENTION' HE WAS A CHILD #'TOUYA TRIED TO HURT SHOUTO' HE WAS A CHILD #'ENDEAVOUR HAD TO BE STERN WITH TOUYA BECAUSE HE WAS ALREADY EVIL' HE WAS A FUCKING CHILD #<- ALL REAL JUSTIFICATIONS IVE SEEN FROM THIS CUNTSTORM OF A FANDOM #I WISH I WAS DEAD I WISH ID NEVER WATCHED MHA I WISH I HAD NO IDEA WHO TOUYA WAS #SHIFTING INTO ANIME UNIVERSES IS NO LONGER CRINGE IM GOING TO KILL ENDEAVOUR MYSELF BYE #mha #mha spoilers #touya todoroki

[villainsandvictimsalliance]

Idk what to tell to the people who still don't get that although is okay to teach kids the rules to live in a society (like respect others or don't kill or whatever), Kotaro Shimura, Enji Todoroki and Toga's parents didn't care as much for society rules as they care for the rules that made them feel okay at home.

Which in the end caused the main villain trio to reject authority and society and turn into violence, since they did try to use words as kids and were royally ignored.

Tenko, Touya and Toga tried very hard to be good kids, but in their parents conception it was not enough 'cause they couldn't repress some of their needs: they wanted their dads and moms to accept them as they were, to accept who they wanted to be, to accept the way they expressed love and accept the way they interacted with their surroundings.

In Tenko's case, Kotaro was unable to accept his kid desire to become a hero. His could be the worst case in bnha, given the violence of his tragedy and how misfortune (maybe even something else) played on it ending so badly. Tomura himself said that house rejected his very identity, even tho Hana tried to support him in secret and Nao stood up for him, little too late. For what we saw of him as a child, his only defect as a son was wanting to be a pro-hero, dream that got him beaten up for, grounded in a rather cruelly manner. Kotaro's trauma turned him into an irrational man, his hatred for heroes was both the build up and the catalysis of the tragedy that ended the lives of the people he loved the most.

Tenko didn't become a villain because he was an evil kid. He became a villain because AFO wanting it so and because Kotaro inculcated in him such extreme hatred.

In Touya's case, it's a bit more complicated. I don't believe Enji's obsession was completely evil in nature, although his actions were truly selfish and it became later abusive, when his desperation blinded him to the point he was unable to understand how bad he has turned out to be. Like in Tenko's case, the mother is at fault only in yhe sense that their lack of intervention allowed the situation to escalate 'til they couldn't prevent it anymore. Touya's case differentiates itself in the fact that he was older than Tenko, his behavior declining over the years into extreme violence, unlike the way Tenko exploded in murder glee when Kotaro hit him one last time.

The lack of proper attention from both Enji and Rei allowed Touya's behavior to become a tragedy. Their negligence, Enji's focus on his work and Shouto (as a project not a son) and Rei's role of a caretaker yet not a mother, combined with the incapacity of Natsuo and Fuyumi to understand what Touya was going through (really, only Shouto could, but at that point Touya hated him too much and Shouto was way too young)... Well, it didn't end well for a kid that didn't want help anymore but attention on his own terms. He was tired of adapting, the same way Tenko rebelled in his insistence of acting the hero way.

The same house rule ( YOU CANNOT BE A HERO ) sent them both to AFO's hands, one way or another. They were kids who couldn't act the way their dads wanted, so fuck them I guess.

That part is compatible to Toga's case. Kinda.

Toga's parents are by far the most twisted of the bunch, which is a lot to say considering that Kotaro hit his kids and Enji even hit his wife. Yet, without having to touch a single hair of their little girl, they inflicted damage so deep she preferred to become a runaway criminal than to stay at home one more day.

At least Kotaro and Enji valued at some level Tenko and Touya's existence. Toga's parents didn't care about her at all. She was as good as a broken doll, an imperfect piece of their furniture, something they wish wasn't related to them at all. Enji was at least worry about his son and he loved him at some degree, the same way Kotaro worry over Tenko was born out of his fear of losing his family. Nothing of it excuses what they do and let it be said that Enji and Kotaro did saw Touya and Tenko as monsters at some point (when Touya tried to kill Shouto and on his Dabi era, when Tenko killed his family and turned to Kotaro). Yet it doesn't compare to the way Toga's parents immediately erased her from their lives, even denying any affiliation. They sent her to that therapy like a car needing to be repaired. She was a sign of status, she was an object that they failed to produce, she was an aberration and a freak, she deserved to be put down.

From the three od them, Toga was the one who struggled the most to fit in socially, not to society standards tho. To her parents.

If all these parents had cared for their kids more than they cared for his own stupid rules maybe things would have been different. But that's the core of their problems, they don't need the whole world to accept them, they need to treat the internalized traumas their parents left them with, the self-hatred and the feeling of inadequacy and the need for acceptance (of themselves) and recognition.

That's why Toga, Izuku and Shouto are the key for their recovery. Acting as mirrors, they are meant to provide the closure the villain trio desperately need. It's not just a sibling or a nemesis bond, but a recognition of the self through the other situation.

If they can accept themselves and correct their ways and get free from their parents absurd rules, if they can move past the child need for their parents validation, maybe they can finally exist in a less painful way.

#bnha #mha #my hero academia #boku no hero academia #league of villains #lov #bnha spoilers #mha spoilers #bnha leaks #bnha manga spoilers #bnha 392 #dabi #touya todoroki #toya todoroki #himiko toga #tenko shimura #tomura shigaraki

[redphlox]

Dabi wasn't trying to look for acknowledgement from Endeavor but acknowledgement for his existence. This is more about him look for a reason for his existence.

*dusts off the good ol’ askbox* Hiya thanks for the ask!

This statement is trying to diminish Endeavor’s role as Dabi’s motivation, and I don’t agree. 

Yes Dabi/Touya wanted acknowledgment of his existence. Whose acknowledgment did Touya want? Endeavor's. And his family's.

Everything Touya has done since his quirk started hurting him has revolved around regaining his father’s attention. He wants his father to look at him again. Touya has said so, and even Rei has said so (302). He wanted and still wants his father’s acknowledgment. He wants it so badly he has been self-harming since he was around 4 years old. He trained in secret for years to re-earn that attention, burst into literal lethal flame tears when his father didn’t show up to see him at Sekoto Peak, woke up from a coma making up an excuse as to why his father didn’t arrive and went home to see him and the rest of the family, and then decided to stay dead when he saw that the person who dominates their family - Endeavor - hadn’t changed. And now he has spent the last 10 years plotting to ruin Endeavor. Why? Because it hurt that his own father didn’t want or care about him because Touya loved HIM so much. Touya thought the love was unreciprocated. Dabi even tried to kill Shouto multiple times now - why? Because Dabi wants Endeavor to notice him for once. 

I’m not sure what else to say. Touya is just like any other kid IRL who feels like a giant disappointment to their parent. That shit stings. But, Touya wasn’t the kid who went out of their way to continue pissing off their parent by becoming the exact opposite of what their parent expected. No, Touya dug in his heels and tried incredibly hard to meet his father’s standards until he died. I’d even make the argument that he’s STILL trying to meet his father’s standards. He’s using Endeavor’s mentality that hotter flames = stronger and copying his moves. Touya is self-destructing because his father abused him, and to say that Touya doesn’t want his father’s acknowledgment ironically erases that trauma because his trauma IS being neglected, and he WANTS closure by being seen.

Look. Touya wants his dad, and the core of that feeling is love - wanting to be loved by his father via acknowledgment and allowed to show his love for his father via training and going into the same profession as him. But it was never only about heroics… it was about his relationship with his father. All Dabi has talked about since 290 is family this, family that, Endeavor, father, Shouto, Endeavor Endeavor Endeavor. 

I know it’s hard to fathom. Touya yearning for the father who abused him and the entire family is hard to stomach for some readers who suffered parental abuse and therefore can’t relate to Dabi, and I understand that and I see them. Horikoshi is writing the story, and he’s made it clear that the Todoroki family will heal and come together to FINALLY be happy - and this includes both Touya and an Endeavor who is regretful and wants to be better.

#bnha #bnha asks #dabi #todorokis #touya todoroki #touya loved his dad and his dad broke his heart #touya's love for him was unconditional and it hurt and still hurts that endeavor couldn't love him the way touya needed #to say that touya doesn't want his acknowledgment is blatantly ignoring canon #todoroki #touya and endeavor

[class1akids]

Forgive me if you've already answered this somewhere (I dug around but didn't see it!!) But I'm curious what you think Hori's endgame with Dabi is? I want so badly for him to be "saved" because I think it would help complete Shouto's character arc.

Overall theme

OK, so here is the most important thing to keep in mind with the set-up:

Izuku - Tomura

Ochako - Toga

Shouto - Touya

I think we all agree that these are the main hero-villain pairs set up all the way back in the Forest arc. They are different from other "fated villain" set-ups, in that the kids' win condition is not only to defeat their counterpart, but save the crying child inside them and this became a very important theme over time.

I think fandom opinion is unanimous that Toga will be saved and will survive. Also, a majority thinks that Tenko will surely be saved, but may or may not survive. The only one whom I see fandom say that he's a too far gone sociopath with no redeemable qualities and who will burn himself in pure hatred is Touya.

I tend to ignore these people personally, because I think the story gave us enough clues both that Touya is capable of caring and that there is a love-hate mixed together when it comes to his family. He gets the same child-coding as Tenko and Toga, as recently as Ch 352. So I think the three main villains undoubtedly will have the same ending in that their inner child will be saved. This for Toga should mean acceptance, for Tenko should mean a hero who comes and for Touya should finding the meaning of his existence.

Another question is whether their adults selves will survive - or we get something like a moment of relief / closure, to be followed by redemptive death which is a common trope.

2. Precedents

We don't really know what Horikoshi is planning - we have a couple of clues though. I think we can all agree that there is no scenario where the kids will kill their counterparts. It's not that kind of story.

In Heroes Rising, which is the "original ending", Nine is defeated by Deku and Bakugou, but they don't kill him - the one who kills him is Shigaraki though I think it's less to do with the original ending, but rather HK not wanting to leave a loose end where one of the Shigaraki prototypes is still potentially walking around. The other villains the kids defeated survive, including Chimera, whom Shouto froze from the inside.

The ending of Vigilante is not HK's writing, but he supervised the manga, and we don't know if he had input on the endgame. Still, since the main villain, Six, is another Shigaraki prototype, it's worth taking a look what happens there. Especially, because some of Six' things aesthetic - including his Ghostrider look - are not only parallel to Shigaraki, but also to Dabi. "Proof that I existed" - does it sound familiar?

It's an impactful, heart-breaking death scene, but it's quite dark. Koichi reaches the child in Six, but can't save him.

So, ngl, this ending is always in the back of my mind when I think about Dabi's endgame as one small fear.

But it's also important to note that Vigilante in tone is a darker, more mature manga than MHA, which is known for never really killing off characters. In Vigilante, there are other hurt/no comfort kind of deaths - like Shirakumo's.

3. In-story set-up of the Todoroki endgame

Now, after this long introduction, let's see the set-up that's in the manga. So the general set-up is that Deku, Ochako and Shouto should all reach and save their villains. Physically beating them is not a win (as seen from Shouto's fight and now Deku's too), only reaching and saving them will do.

Beyond the overall theme, there are two "foreshadowing" moments specific to the Todoroki plot.

The first is Endeavor's dream:

Now you can treat is "prophetic" that Endeavor and Touya are not meant to survive the endgame. But can you imagine Shouto, Natsuo, Fuyumi and Rei be happy and laughing when they lost two of their family members? So I take this dream to mean that Enji has no place with his family unless Touya can return too. Endeavor's endgame happiness is conditional on saving Touya.

The second is Shouto's wish:

When talking about Touya, Shouto's wish is not only to beat him or stop him, but to get to know him. That's Shouto's happy ending - not just a win, but eating noodles with Touya.

If you look at Touya vs Shouto, they struggle with the same question: the meaning of their existence - Touya as a "failed creation", Shouto as some whose mere existence hurts others.

Shouto's Phosphor - a move born from his heart to connect his two halves - is what he sees as a tool to "affirm the reason he was born". And I think with Touya copying this move, the set-up is there - Shouto can save Touya if he can help him realize that it's up to him to give meaning to his existence.

Now, this could still go in the direction of a redemptive death if you just look at Touya's character in isolation - but there is the other part of the equation - Shouto's endgame; his success as a hero (stopping Touya from killing not only others, but also himself), and his happy ending as a person (someone who gets to bring together the family and build a relationship with his brother).

So I think even if you think Touya dying and maybe Enji dying with him would be a tragic but fitting ending for them, it still doesn't really work for Shouto - who despite other claims from fandom is still the main protagonist of the Todoroki saga. We started this family journey with him, this is the kids' story mainly on their path to be heroes, so I think what makes sense for him simply cannot be disregarded. And because of that, I believe that Touya will be saved (find meaning), but will also survive (Shouto's win) and get a hopeful ending where the Todoroki family will get a chance to heal.

4. What about his burns?

"But he's burnt to crisp - there is no way he can survive" - people will say. And to that, all I can say is, look at the guy with the exploded heart. We had the same arguments - Bakugou's survival "makes no sense", "you cannot put a heart back together", etc during those weeks. But those of us who saw Bakugou's death and felt that narratively it makes no sense for his character or even for Deku's character, were pretty chill because we knew that if the story needs him to survive, the story will find a way to do just that. And along came Edgeshot with Wash's soap bubble - things that weren't really set up in the story before were found because the narrative demanded it.

I think the same is true for Touya. I cannot predict what will be the thing that saves him in "medical terms", but if the narrative requires that he lives, the tool will be provided in that story for it.

TL;DR: So putting all this together, I'm 100% sure that Touya will "turn good" and find some meaning and closure and I'm about 80% sure that he will survive too.

#c1a asks #bnha meta #bnha manga spoilers #bnha vigilante spoilers #dabi #todoroki touya #todoroki shouto #todoroki enji #endeavor #todoroki endgame #heroes rising #nine #six

[sparkles-and-trash]

Pro Hero Touya AU ~

note: this is an old au, I'm just re-writing it into a drabble in stead of the list format!

pt 1, The UA Years

I imagine things were pretty similar to canon up until around Shouto's birth, around then Endeavor has a big work accident that makes it so he can't be a pro in the same capacity anymore.

It forces him into therapy, and the family as a whole actually works on stuff and slowly starts to heal.

But even after all that, Touya still keeps gets injured from his quirk, but he manages to hide it pretty well from his parents and siblings, because he still wants to go to UA and be a pro so badly.

When he does get in, he loves it so much, it's everything he dreamed it would be, he's making some friends, and his parents and siblings are so proud of him!

But then the first sports festival rolls around, and it awakens that old feeling of needing to prove himself as worthy of everything he has, and it starts to eat at him in that old, familiar way.

He gets to the semi finals when he ends up pushing himself too far and he ends up getting really, really hurt.

This naturally leads to his family and teachers realizing how much pain he's been hiding for so long, and they all try their very best to get trough to him.

But in the end, it takes tiny Shouto, only seven years old, clutching Touya's hand while Touya is still half asleep due to the drugs and injury, telling his big brother how much he loves him, and that he please has to stop hurting himself because they need to keep watching cartoons together, and someone has to tell Shouto stories before he goes to bed, and quite frankly that needs to be Touya because nobody does the voices as good as him, and nobody else in their house makes the cereal as good as him, and Shouto hasn't told anyone this, but he thinks math is hard, and he needs Touya to help him so that he too can get into UA and they can be heroes together.

When Touya starts healing properly, he gets sent to Power Loader to get some special support items to help him out, as gets assigned a mandatory meeting with Recovery Girl every week so she can make sure he's staying healthy and doesn't hurt himself again.

It takes a lot of him to go, but every time he feels the idea of skipping the meeting start to form, he hears Shouto's little voice in his head, and he always, without a fail, attends the meetings.

pt 2, The Early Pro Years

Touya debutes right out of UA, and during his first year as a Pro, he already breaks top 20, which is pretty damn rare. Not unlike his father, much of his success is due to his outstanding numbers, but unlike his father, he is also quite popular with the public. It's definitely in a "he's a little bit of a shit, but in a fun and likable way" - way. However, he's always very nice to civilians and fans etc. Buuuut he loves to fuck around and find out, lol He is the paparazzis biggest nightmare, always doing the most to confuse them. Kids absolutely love him, partly because he's genuinely good with them, and partly because he is a fun and dynamic and looks really cool while fighting. He uses special boots and gloves that helps him control the fire from his body without hurting him to fly around, like rocket shoes and little hand jetpacks lol. When Touya has been around the Pro scene for about a year, this new guy shows up out of nowhere, and it turns Touya's work on its head a little bit. His hero name is Hawks, and nobody seems to know where he came from or who he really is, and Touya is intrigued right away, especially when the guy skyrockets up the charts like nothing he's ever seen before. Touya himself didn't really care about the hero ranks or popularity polls, he just wanted to be a good hero, and he feels plenty appreciated by the public as it is, but it does intrigue him to see someone come out of nowhere and take off like that. He decides to try to get to know the guy a little, as they seem to have a similar personalities. Touya is very surprised however, when he runs into the winged man at a hero gala and realizes he's actually quite awkward and shy, proving that he's not as trained in personal relationships as he is in public relations. While Touya started out hanging around the other young hero out of curiosity, he quickly finds himself more interested in Keigo, the person, than Hawks the hero. The way he can go from confidently saving hundreds of civilians with a charming smile and give interviews to the whole country like it's nothing, to turn into an awkwardly funny, blushing mess of a 19 year old guy in a matter of minutes truly makes Touya's heart turn into mush.

masterlist - wip list - ao3 - ko-fi - wishlist

#dabihawks #pro hero touya #pro hero touya au #dabi #hawks #todofam #happy todofam #todosibs #the todoroki family #the todoroki siblings #todoroki #touya todoroki #keigo takami #shouto todoroki #shoto todoroki #toukei #touya x keigo #hawks x dabi #dabi x hawks #keigo x touya #mha #bnha #mha au #my hero academia #boku no hero academia

[sarahjtv]

So, My Hero Academia Chapter 387 (MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD)...

That was a really, really good chapter, but hoo boy that fucked me up real bad and I need to get some thoughts off my chest before I go to sleep.  Tumblr is the best place to post this; I’m not spending $8 on Twitter Blue to type this out.

First off, more eugenic stuff yay...  This time with Rei’s family, the Himuras.  So, turns out that Geten (the ice villain following Re-Destro) is a part of that family which means that he’s the Todoroki’s cousin at best.  I think Rei would’ve said something if he was her brother. 

And that the Himura’s have been inbreeding to keep their bloodline “pure” and their ice Quirk in tact...  And forced marriages were also desperate attempts to keep this in check.  UM WHAT THE FUCK, HORIKOSHI???  I’m not saying this is a bad thing story-wise, but it makes the Todoroki Family situation so, so much worse if that was even possible.  And sadly they’re not the only family to do this... 

So, if Rei was a product of inbreeding, then (and correct me if I’m wrong) the Todoroki children are technically inbred too on top of being born out of a quirk marriage to begin with INCLUDING SHOUTO WHO’S BEEN THROUGH ENOUGH (I need to clarify that I’m not criticizing Rei or her kids, it’s not their faults. I’m criticizing the practice of inbreeding itself).  I feel ill just thinking about that.  This is some royal family shit that should never be a thing to begin with.  I don’t care if marrying your 2nd cousin shouldn’t fuck up the kids too badly, it’s still extremely fucked up period!  This is honestly worse than the quirk marriage imo and that was bad enough as it was.  I kind of wish Horikoshi didn’t include this because it’s sadly kind of warpping my perception of them, but I’m not going to fly over to Japan and throw hands with him over it.

And this puts more context into why Rei chose to marry Enji because agreeing to be bought into a marriage with Endeavor to create the perfect offspring with Fire and Ice is somehow better than MARRYING YOUR FUCKING COUSIN AND HAVING A CHILD WITH THEM!  She never had a good choice to begin with; she just chose the best one that was given to her.  God, I feel bad for this woman.

I honestly need a few days to process this because it was dropped so casually and now I need to sit down and think of the implications of it while working on my finals 🥲

Onto Dabi who is fighting his dad with like half of his body remaining.  How the hell this man is alive is a goddamn mystery because he looks like a burning skeleton.  And this whole thing has caused his Quirk to evolve to the point where he’s now producing ICE ❄️!  HE HAS AN ICE QUIRK NOW TOO!  IT’S EXACTLY THE THING ENDEAVOR WANTED THIS WHOLE TIME AND NOW HE HAS IT IN THE WORST WAY POSSIBLE!  I WANT TO SCREAM!  SHOUTO AND DABI ARE REALLY 2 SIDES OF THE SAME COIN! 

There really is no way of knowing if Touya would’ve unlocked this part of his Quirk if he trained more with Endeavor, but the fact that he actually had the potential to become exactly what he was born for is devastating.  He could’ve been what his father wanted him to become, but his Quirk was too dangerous to himself to try.  If this happened, Natsuo and Shouto might not have been born (I’m glad they were born tbh), but at least the family would’ve been spared a shit ton of trauma.

Oh, and it looks like that massive fire punch he threw at Endeavor completely burned off his right arm and now he’s right armless like Endeavor.  That one panel of them “dancing” with right fire arms is haunting.  You could write a whole short essay on that panel.  Horikoshi loves parallels and I do too.

Honestly, I really expected Horikoshi to just kill off Endeavor and Dabi at the same time this chapter.  It looked like that’s where it was going.  There are a lot of ways their fates could be going and I can see it happening all those ways.  Personally, I want them to live at least until Shouto finally gets there.  I think Horikoshi is setting up that “Todoroki Family Reunion” he’s been planning since Chapter 300 or something especially with Rei entering the battle field.  What happens next is something we’ll have to wait for.  I want Endeavor to live honestly.  But, I can definitely see Dabi dying at the end because I really don’t think he’s going to survive at this rate.  Horikoshi cooked him too well 😂😭.

And finally REI TODOROKI!!!  The block or whatever her and her family were being transported in was stopped right below Gunga Mountain last chapter and they were forced to go up to the surface to make sure they avoid Dabi’s fiery explosion.  That’s why she’s up on the surface to begin with.  I do want to know how the hell she got to the battlefield so quickly though.  I don’t see her as a fighter, but maybe she trained her Ice Quirk to glide on it like Shouto does.  I’m really curious to see what she does because she does hold some responsibility for how Dabi turned out and I think she’s trying to atone in a way too.  This better not mean she’s dying though.  I don’t need the Todorokis to deal with more trauma, especially Shouto.

Anyways, there’s a lot to unpack in this chapter and there’s probably more to dive into.  Um, I’m glad to see Mr. Compress again like Horikoshi promised.  He’s probably still assless though.  Where are the 2nd year UA students you promised, sir???  But, yeah, the Todoroki drama continues to be more and more fucked up by the weeks.  Please let this family have peace one day I’m begging  🙏.

#boku no hero academia spoilers #bnha spoilers #my hero academia spoilers #mha spoilers #mha 387 #bnha 387 #Todoroki #Todoroki Family #Rei Todoroki #Enji Todoroki #Endeavor #Shoto Todoroki #Shouto Todoroki #Natsuo Todoroki #Fuyumi Todoroki #Dabi #Touya Todoroki #fuck #this was not on my bingo card #Geten #Kohei Horikoshi #are you ok my dude #honestly are you #i'm going to fucking scream #who let him in the kitchen #who let him cook #he cooked #he cooked too well though

[haleigh-sloth]

I have a whole “Endeavor has a responsibility and obligation to Touya to fulfill vs. Shouto inevitably making the choice to BE there for his brother is how he gets saved without Endeavor getting all the credit” rant in my head, but I’ll just condense it best I can.

But the bottom line is I get the fear that Shouto will get snubbed for Endeavor, especially because Endeavor ate his arc halfway through the manga.

But Shouto is the hero of his family’s subplot.

There is a major difference between Endeavor fulfilling a responsibility he was already supposed to fulfill—basically making up for and restoring what was lost, and then Shouto making the conscious choice to reach out to and save his brother. He’ll be doing it because he wants to for himself, for his family, and for his brother.

Endeavor is doing something he should have done long ago. He’s atoning. His arc is a redemption arc (a simple way to put it). Giving back what he took.

Shouto on the other hand is giving Touya something entirely new, out of the love for his family he has in his heart. He doesn’t owe Touya anything, but when he chooses to be there for him it’s because he wants to be. Unlike Endeavor, he doesn’t have to. It won’t be Shouto filling in a gap that he caused for Touya. It’ll be him giving Touya something he never had to begin with. A relationship with him. And imo, Shouto represents the gateway for Touya back into the family he was born into, and wants to be a part of so badly.

That’s the difference.

Endeavor is giving back what he took. He’s not the hero here. He’s doing what he should have done a long time ago.

Shouto is actually stepping up and beyond his role in his family. He’s doing more than he should have to. That’s what’s gonna make him the hero of his story, and for his brother.

Endeavor being crowned the one who brought Touya’s salvation is a shit ending.

However he does have a role in it. But it’s not the same as Shouto’s.

I hope I worded that clear enough lol

#bnha #boku no hero academia #Todoroki touya #dabi #Todoroki shouto #endeavor #Todoroki enji #todofam

[lylylylyy]

A take on bnha388's last panel

In this panel we can see Touya imagine himself resembling his 13-year-old self, no piercing or right hand but with the Dabi outfit, his whole family(except for Shouto) looking at him but no expression are made.

I think the key to understand this scene is to focus on those words on the left, which literally means"mother, little brother and sister gathered, their eyes focusing on--" It clearly implies this scene is in Touya's mind and due to his current state (lost his conscious and act like a kid) he is much more like the Touya who hadn't gone through Sekoto Peak and still want his father's love. I would say it's based on what he saw on the battlefield when his families (except Shouto) are all coming for him and not any kind of future vision because he didn't expect to have a future after this war, aka funeral. Also the lack of facial expression is because he is burning himself so badly he couldn't recognize their faces. If it's an ideal portrait of the Todoroki household in his mind, he won't have the need to become Dabi or lose his arm and his families would be more kind and loving towards him. So in my point of view this is the main reason Shouto's not in the picture--he's still on Iida's back and just simply not on the spot.

#bnha spoilers #dabi #bnha 388 #todoroki touya #keeping up with the Todorokis #ly thoughts #bnha manga spoilers

[spiritofwhitefire]

Dancing on the grave of the man who murdered you

Recently I made a joke post saying that “I do not relate to Dabi but I do admire him, which is arguably much more disturbing”. Well… that may not be entirely true. Because like many other victims/ survivors of parental abuse, I find his story, particularly Dabi’s Dance to be one of the great moments of catharsis that I have witnessed in media.

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Part 1: The silent sufferer

I’ve read a lot of pre-touya reveal fics where enji was depicted as this towering monster in touya’s life, the same sort of obviously monstrous abuser as he was with shouto. But when the reveal happens, we see that in touya’s case, it’s a bit more complicated than that.

Enji is subtle with touya, he grooms touya with much more serpentine grace than he does shouto because he shows a loving side as well. He showered touya with praise and promises of greatness and told him how powerful and loved he was. And then he ripped all away.

Enji stopped spending time with touya, smiling at him, no longer praising him. In fact actively telling him he wasn’t good enough for the one thing he had always praised him for in the past. His other siblings (Natsuo and fuyumi) had always been deemed useless, the failures of the family and so now what is he to think of himself as? Imagine going through that physical trauma while also knowing you can’t lean on your biggest support? And what’s worse, he sees himself replaced, like he never mattered as an individual at all? This is abuse. Just because we don’t see him being physically traumatized like shouto doesn’t mean he didn’t go through a horror of his own.

The worst part is that we know he still to this day loves his father. You can’t hate someone that deeply without loving them, even now he craves his fathers approval and acknowledgement. To make someone depend on and love you that deeply and then rip it all away takes a terrible toll on that persons mindset because then they are forever chasing that acceptance and plagued by good memories that make them question that bad ones.

Part 2: crawling out of your grave

It is very telling that even after burning alive, Touya doesn’t even blame his father. If you were looking for proof that touya cared deeply about his family, it’s in the scene where he wakes from his coma. His first thought is of his family, how worried they must be and how badly he wants to make amends for the way he left things. He makes excuses for Enji’s absence at Sekoto and I fully believe he would have returned to his family had he not seen what he did.

Now MHA is hardly a source of realistic fiction however I do want to mention that after waking up from a coma, your body is extremely weak. Most people need to be on bed rest for weeks after their coma and are often severely underweight and in a very delicate place health wise. A burn victim with fresh grafts? VERY DELICATE place, at high risk for infection. I have no idea how far that hospital was form touya’s home but I doubt it was close. He ran home from there.

And in that physically and mentally delicate place he was forced to confront what Enji had been essentially building up over the course of the years since touya became unable to be his heir - that touya’s life didn’t matter.

Enji didn’t kill touya, but he might as well have.

Part 3: make me your monster

The first thing I want to talk about is the horrific idea that looks translate to quality of character. It’s not a fictional issue, it’s a real world one and it I see it reflected all the time in people’s reactions to fictional characters. Blah blah blah yeah Dabi is a villain, but he’s not a villain because he is a burn victim. He is a burn victim who happens to be a villain. I’ve already talked about how weird people’s reactions to the entire idea of skin grafts are and I’m not going to get into it again but it’s actually horrible the way that people react to anyone with facial differences.

He’s a fictional character so speculation about his life after leaving home is a little ridiculous but I mean… a 16 year old boy fresh out of a 3 year coma with blankets of trauma and a severely burned/ grafted body trying to make it on the streets? The amount of resilience, conviction and inner strength that kid has is beautiful, truly.

Step 5: Touya’s Dance

Apart from being really fucking cool it was also incredibly emotionally charged. The adrenaline in that moment is overwhelming. When you’re in a moment of ecstatic triumph your body just can’t contain it. His motions are not graceful, they’re awkward and jerky and entirely an expression of desperate emotion. He’s confronting his monster after years of torment, a man who birthed him but couldn’t even recognize him. Truly his voice actor deserves an Emmy for that performance the way his vocals rose and fell with despair, and passion! Beautiful.

And that’s not to mention his video recording. @pikahlua and @thyandrawrites wrote a wonderful post analyzing his disposition in that recording when the manga came out and the anime did not disappoint. That was the voice of a little boy buried too soon, talking about his own murder, his death! And atop the giant, a man who has lived his life as a vengeful spirit, whose wrath has finally come to collect. It’s a dance of vindication sure, but it’s one of pain too.

Afterword: As a victim, as a survivor…

For anyone who has ever looked in the mirror and felt like someone else, for anyone who had ever felt dead before they died, forgotten while they still breathe, like a failure when they were never give a chance….

Most of us will never get justice or revenge. For me, my father hurt me and my mom and now he’s changed and I’ve been forced to forgive him. And I still love him, but I’ll never forget what he did. And no one will ever know how bad it was. But seeing that man confront his monster and dance in ecstasy at his vengeance, in that moment, I felt something close to peace. And to see how many others feel as I do, well. It’s just nice to be seen. To be looked at.

#dabi’s dance #Dabi #touya todoroki #MHA #bnha #Dabi meta #MHA meta

[cyber-phobia]

Ok so I know you said Toya is dead but I can’t help but imagine him in Fuyumi’s place like “I’m desperately trying to hold this family together/I don’t want to leave Shoto here alone” but badly because he just hates his dad so much. He still does his hair and is an emo shit w scars… he also teaches at an elementary school… idk I just think it’s funny. Mostly this scarred f_ck teaching at an elementary school. The kids would think he’s so cool though lol

He would get very poor reviews from parents, but glowing reviews from the students, which is how he keeps the job.

Touya is not skilled when it comes to household chores, so he thinks he's done a good job if Shouto and Natsuo are still alive by the end of the day. He's done an AMAZING job if Endeavor is still alive by the end of the day.

So far he's had a 20 year streak of amazing caretaking skills.

#dabi!fuyumi #this would be an au of an au #bc touya is very dead in the original #asks #touya is a big push over as a teacher since he knows he has to suck up a lot to keep it

[bnhaobservation]

“We have to kill him! Now!” or how claiming you want to murder someone might change the game

There has been a lot of discussion on how Hawks’s words had been a disappointment for a part of the fandom because they seem to show he didn’t really change his mindsetting from when he killed Jin.

(By the way, I know the official translation used ‘Kill THEM! Right now!’ but Hawks said ‘Soitsu o korose! ! Imasugu! !’そいつを殺せ！！今すぐ！！And ‘soitsu’ (そいつ/其奴) means “that person”, “that guy”, “that fellow”, “that one” [其= “That” 奴= “a thing”, “an object”; (derogatory, familiar) “a person”], so it should be singular and therefore I’m using the translation used in the scanlations... even if yes, I guess Hawks wouldn’t be adverse to kill Touya either...)

On the other side I wonder if this couldn’t turn out into something more than that, another factor that would affect the tide.

Heroes aren’t supposed to kill people. It’s something that’s well known to the public and to the kids, in fact, when Hawks killed Jin, he had to explain his reasons to the public. People were worried with other pressing matters (their own safety), so they didn’t really care Jin, a villain, died, but still Hawks was asked to explain his reasons, to justify himself and apologize because heroes aren’t supposed to kill people.

The kids know as well. When Ending is all but begging Endeavour to kill him, the kids capture him alive, insisting NO ONE will die on their watch and, likely, they’re still in the same mindsetting.

During the Paranormal Liberation War Arc the situation was dire and, when the war ended, the kids were dealing with so many heavy stuff (the pain for Midnight’s death, the destruction they witnessed and then the disappearance of Midoriya) that they likely didn’t dwell much on how Hawks took a life nor knew Jin so they just accepted his explanation that he had no better option and decided not to think at it.

There’s something else figuring into the equation.

During the Paranormal Liberation War Arc Tokoyami happened to witness Jin’s body and hear from Touya how Hawks killed Jin, how the Pros’ hands are dirtier than the ones of the Villains. Tokoyami’s expression was shocked when he heard Hawks stabbed Jin [Chap 271]. But then Hawks wakes up and calls him and Tokoyami focuses solely on protecting Hawks, whom Touya had badly injured.

Tokoyami has a bond with Hawks, whom he respects. We can see that Dark Shadow has tears in his eyes when he notices how badly burned Hawks’ back so it makes sense Tokoyami focused on protecting him (and himself as, although Touya didn’t immediately attack him, Tokoyami could have still felt threatened by him for the mere fact Touya was a villain using fire, against which Dark Shadow is weak) and simply pushed in a dark corner of his mind what Touya said.

However now Hawks is yelling to kill ‘Twice’ or better Himiko transformed in Twice, right now. He’s not making attempts to persuade her to stop or ‘help her atone for her crimes’.

Yeah, undoubtedly slaughtering all the Villains would be an ‘easy’ way to end the war because dead people don’t fight wars, but the kids had been fighting so far thinking they could STOP the villains, without getting so far as to kill them. An hero saves, not murders, this has been so far the theme of the story (unless Horikoshi plans to change it).

Being now pushed into a situation in which they’re asked to murder someone, Himeko being a girl a year older than them and Touya being Shouto’s brother, might cause them to falter.

Ochako had heard Himiko ask her what did she want to do with her, if she wanted to kill her and express her grievance toward Jin’s death but it was easy to ignore it when she believed no one wanted to kill Himiko and she was the only one going around murdering people, Jin’s death being merely an ‘unfortunate accident’ she didn’t think too deeply about.

If she will also hear Hawks telling them to murder her she might end up being forced to truly think at the situation from Himiko’s perspective, a perspective in which the villains who stole lives and other people’s happiness are actually the heroes who instead were sworn to save lives.

Tokoyami might be reminded about what Touya said and hesitate, vondering if, as Touya said, heroes really have more blood on their hands than villains and he was always blind to this.

Also, I’ve no doubt All for One will try to exploit the moment because All for One knows heroes pride themselves for not being murderers, for being better than villains so yeah, Hawks’ words should feel like a Christmas present to him to further taunt heroes but, while it’s true he does what he does for his own sick purposes, his words often hit way too close to the mark and might push forward more reflection into the kids.

So yeah, while Hawks’ words can end up throwing the kids into emotional chaos, maybe, in the long run, they might be what will cause things to change, forcing the kids to ponder on things and rejecting the idea that murder is the sole option and decide that it’s possible to stop a person by saving said person as well.

But well, we’ll see.

#Boku no hero Academia #Bnha spoilers #Takami Keigo #Todoroki Touya #Toga Himiko #Uraraka Ochako #Tokoyami Fumikage #BNHA Ramblings

[candycandy00]

What do you think of the people who say Touya was evil from the time he was a child because he tried to kill baby Shouto and was “misogynistic”? I’ve seen people using that to argue that Dabi “can’t be saved”.

I think that’s a pretty ridiculous argument, to be honest.

Let me tell you a story. I have several older brothers. My mom likes to tell the story of the day she brought Brother #3 home from the hospital. Brother #2 walked over, took one look at him, and said “I don’t like that baby.” Over the next few months, Brother #2 made numerous attempts to harm Brother #3. He once bit him on the face badly enough that the younger brother still has a faint scar from it, nearly fifty years later. Once mom left the room to answer the phone, only to come back and find Brother #2 standing over Brother #3 with a pair of scissors in his hand, looking very much like he was about to cut his little brother’s throat.

Now, was Brother #2 evil? Was he an irredeemable monster for wanting to murder his little brother? Of course not. He was a jealous child acting out because, as a child, he didn’t know any better way to express that jealousy. Around the time they hit their teen years, the two brothers started getting along very well and have been close ever since. Now they’re middle aged men who live next door to each other and they both laugh hysterically when they get to talking about their early childhood years of bitings and almost-scissor attacks. Let’s hope Touya and Shouto will have a similar future.

Children act out, sometimes violently. They don’t have the emotional maturity to deal with extreme emotions, so they deal with them in any way they can. Touya was a child when he attacked baby Shouto. He was a child when he said “the women of this family are useless” or whatever. And, like, that is so unbelievably tame compared to the stuff I heard my nephew say about women as a kid. And he grew up to be firmly in the “respect women” camp. Little boys always think girls are useless or weak or whatever. At least Touya qualified his remark as being about the women in his family, not women in general. And hell, when I was around twelve I went through a phase where I would say stuff like “all men are trash”. I was a kid. I grew out of it. That’s what kids do. If we ever see adult Touya talking shit about women, I’ll entertain those “Touya is a misogynist” comments. Otherwise, it’s just silly to even bring it up.

#Dabi #Touya Todoroki #Boku no Hero Academia #BNHA

[deusvervewrites]

Future peace AU: when does All might deal with the Todoroki family? Because he probably wants to stop Endeavor as soon as possible but if he interferes too early he might prevent Shouto from being born.

I think he'd try to subtly help out by hanging out nearby (possibly as Yagi) and talking with Touya when he sees him training. Part of Endeavor's obsessions was with how badly the Touya situation went, so keeping Touya from completely going off the deep end and coming with him to his training sessions at Sekoto Peak would actually do a lot to keep Enji from becoming abusive.

(Of course, All Might would make it clear to Enji that he's keeping an eye on his family given how Touya is behaving.)

#asks #future peace au

[gil-shalossssss]

Okay hold up

Everyone's saying Endeavor is a terrible father he ignored his kids and abused Shouto and Rei and all that

And they are right

But hold on

First I'd like to say that I do not sanction his behavior and I acknowledge that it was wrong. However, he had reasons other than just wanting Shouto to be the #1 hero.

Everything he did, he did for Touya. Touya's training seemed to be less harsh than Shouto's, or at least he enjoyed it more. He wanted to train. He wanted to be the #1 hero, because then his father would be proud of him. Endeavor was already proud of him. Touya was the destined heir. They had Fuyumi to be Touya's companion. Originally, there were only going to be two.

But then Touya's Quirk started hurting him. Endeavor stopped training him and started trying for a new heir so his son wouldn't have to hurt himself. He didn't go about it in the right way, but the entire reason Natsuo and Shouto exist is because Endeavor wanted to keep his eldest son from hurting himself.

Did Touya listen? No. He practiced in secret. He felt rejected because his father was ignoring him now in favor of some better heir, a child with the Quirk he'd been trying for all along. He felt like he was just a detour on the way to Shouto. He was no longer standing in the spotlight, and he needed to be there so badly. So he trained. And he got hurt. And he vented at his father. He yelled and accused him, while deep down he really just wanted that adoration back.

Endeavor refused to acknowledge him, thinking he would give up. He treated Shouto and Rei like he did because he had all this pent-up frustration at the growing divide between him and his favorite son. Why do I say favorite? Because Natsuo is really just an extra and Shouto is more of a means to achieve something than an actual person. The way he smiled at Touya in episode 130, you could really tell he loved him.

They could have sat down and talked it out. They could have come to a compromise. But both were far too stubborn and both vented in unhealthy ways (taking it out on others or themselves) and Endeavor's attempt to keep his son safe backfired dramatically.

The Todoroki family is not messed up because of Endeavor. It is messed up because of Endeavor and Touya. Both have equal blame, yet Endeavor seems to be the only one who ever gets flack for it. Dabi may have played the victim, but he's also a perpetrator. Their refusal to come to a compromise about Touya's future resulted in hell for poor Rei, Shouto, Fuyumi, and Natsuo.

Endeavor had pure motivations. He just did it wrong and was too proud to admit he made a mistake.

Touya had a burning desire he didn't know what to do with and refused to listen or communicate calmly.

Both were wrong, and both deserve blame. So stop heaping everything on Endeavor, because Dabi deserves some too.

You know the sad thing about this? It probably all could've been fixed with a couple of calm conversations in a therapist's office.

If you don't believe me, maybe you should rewatch episode 130 of the anime.

Edit: Manga chapters are 291, 301, 302

#boku no hero academia #my hero academia #mha #bnha #dabi todoroki #touya todoroki #enji todoroki #endeavor #mha rant #mha analysis #bnha rant #bnha analysis

[class1akids]

Did shoto hear endeavor's apology ? I didn't expect endeavor to apologize to his family, it was a nice touch to todoroki family arc. But do you think endeavor's apology could have better 🤔

I think he passed out before. But even if he heard it, it's another neat little parallel though to be added to the collection of TDDK parallels and you know Shouto playing the same narrative role in the Todo-family, as Izuku plays in hero society.

I think Endeavor's apology was fine.

The whole family is together. For the first time sharing a panel since Touya attacked Shouto and the composition drives home how little changed. Touya still burning with rage, except his fire scaled up. But also Shouto grew up and steps up and says to everyone that we need to solve this together, because no spamming of Great Glacial Aegirs is going to do the trick. They gonna need to do it as a family.

So they are all sharing their feelings and speaking their truths.

So Endeavor listens, and then speaks his - and voices all that regret we knew was inside him but that was always shown through internal monologues though his moments of strength (vs Hood, vs AFO) rather than to his victims.

This is different. This is his moment of weakness, where he basically had no control in anything that happened after Rei showed up, he was completely helpless. Everything crumbled around them, they all almost died, they are badly hurt - at least Touya is. He can't muscle or burn his way through it, so he'll have to do his bit talking.

I think it's an apology he owed to the whole lot of them. And I liked that he gave it to everyone specifically taking their own regrets on himself as the one ultimately responsible.

And I thought it was pretty great how after he apologized to everyone for specific things, for Shouto it's just a pause and a "sorry" - either because Shouto passes out or because it's a pretty long list and where to even start.

But I'm glad he got it. I think he clearly heard his name and I think even if Shouto never thought he needed or wanted an apology, it still hit him.

#c1a asks #bnha manga leaks #bnha manga spoilers #bnha 390

[sparkles-and-trash]

Can I request some pro hero Touya headcanons? Maybe with some dabihawks? xx

notes: oh hell yeah, I love PH! Touya au's! canon divergence, healing todofam, good big brother Touya, dabihawks, some hurt/comfort themes, mostly fluff

Pre-Hero Work Years

Okay, so I def think he went to UA 

I imagine things were pretty similar to canon up until around Shouto's birth, and around then Endeavor has a big work incident that makes it so he can't be a pro in the same capacity anymore

and it forces him into therapy and and the family actually works on stuff and slowly starts to heal

but Touya still gets injured from his quirk, but he manages to hide it pretty well from his parents and siblings, because he still wants to go to UA and be a pro so badly

and when he does get in he loves it so much, it's everything he dreamed it would be, he's making some friends, and his parents and siblings are so proud of him

but then the first sports festival rolls around, and it awakens that old feeling of needing to prove himself as worthy of everything he has

he gets to the semi finals when he ends up pushing himself too far and he ends up getting really, really hurt

which leads to his family and teachers realizing how much pain he's been hiding for so long

but it takes tiny Shouto, only seven years old, clutching Touya's hand while Touya is still half asleep due to the drugs and injury, telling his big brother how much he loves him and that he please has to stop hurting himself because they need to keep watching cartoons together and someone has to tell Shouto stories before he goes to bed, and quite frankly that needs to be Touya because nobody does the voices as good as him, and nobody else in their house makes the cereal as good as him, and Shouto hasn't told anyone but he thinks math is hard and he needs Touya to help him so that he too can get into UA and they can be heroes together

when Touya starts healing properly, he gets sent to Power Loader to get some special support items to help him out, as gets assigned a mandatory meeting with Recovery Girl every week so she can make sure he's staying healthy and doesn't hurt himself again

Early Pro Years

Touya debutes right out of UA, and during his first year as a Pro, he already breaks top 20, which is pretty damn rare

not unlike his father, much of his success is due to his outstanding numbers

but unlike his father, he is also quite popular with the public

in a "he's a little bit of a shit, but in a fun and likable way" - way

he's always very nice to civilians and fans etc

but he loves to fuck around and find out

he is the paparazzis biggest nightmare, always doing the most to confuse them

kids absolutely love him, partly because he's genuinely good with them, and partly because he is a fun and dynamic and looks really cool while fighting

he uses special boots and gloves that helps him control the fire from his body without hurting him to fly around, like rocket shoes and little hand jetpacks lol

when Touya has been around the Pro scene for about a year, this new guy shows up out of nowhere

his hero name is Hawks, and nobody seems to know where he came from or who he really is, and Touya is intrigued right away

especially when the guy skyrockets up the charts like nothing he's ever seen before

Touya himself didn't really care about the hero ranks or popularity polls, he just wanted to be a good hero, and he feels plenty appreciated by the public as it is

but it does intrigue him to see someone come out of nowhere and take off like that

he decides to try to get to know the guy a little, as they seem to have a similar personalities

Touya is very surprised however, when he runs into the winged man at a hero gala and realizes he's actually quite awkward and shy, proving that he's not as trained in personal relationships as he is in public relations

and while Touya started out hanging around the other young hero out of curiosity, he quickly finds himself more interested in Keigo, the person, than Hawks the hero

the way he can go from confidently saving hundreds of civilians with a charming smile and give interviews to the whole country like it's nothing, to turn into an awkwardly funny, blushing mess of a 19 year old guy in a matter of minutes truly makes Touya's heart turn into mush

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