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fish-bowl-2 · 5 months
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1, 3, 9, 16, 24 😁
1.List 3 positive things about your current fandom(s) Oh boy :D I'd say that in regards to the current eene fandom on here, I love how friendly everyone is, how creative everyone is (both in their headcanons and the fanwork they create), and how generally a lot of you are very open-minded regarding other people's interpretations and headcanons for characters/events etc. <3
3. A character that fandom has helped you appreciate Probably Rolf...I mean I kind of already enjoy all the characters in their own unique ways, but seeing some of the things people have written about him is really interesting. Especially in regards to his friendship with Nazz and Kevin and family history. Lots of food for thought.
9. A ship that isn't your OTP but that you enjoy KevRolf is cute!! I already like their friendship and interactions in the show, so the fanwork and writing people do on it is always fun. EddNazz is cute too. I can definitely see them trying a relationship at some point, even if it doesn't work out long-term.
16. A tiny detail in canon that you want more people to appreciate Double Dee's wonky resting face where a single eyelid droops. I love that shit. It is so silly. The super specific and nuanced elements of Ed's writing and acting. I mean, I don't know. I think a lot of fans already pay attention to this, but whenever I rewatch clips I ALWAYS notice something new that he says. I just think that writing is so clever. He is truly unique when it comes to the trope of "comedic relief/slow-witted" characters. ANOTHER detail I am fascinated with is Edd's scrupulosity, but talking about that will take way too long and I'm already working on a whole post about that.
24. How has fandom positively impacted your life? Speaking somewhat generally, I've been somewhat lucky in my experiences within fandoms to have not had absolutely horrendous events, interactions, and/or drama take place. Even when it did it was small and within a more contained circle. I've made lots of good friends in fandom (many that I've been talking to for like five years now!) As for specifically the eene fandom, I love interacting with all the lovely stuff people post and create. It is very small and intimate here, which I really like when it comes to fan spaces : ) I always enjoy checking the tag after a day of work/class, and you guys in my notifications.
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olderthannetfic · 2 years
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I'm in a fandom where the most vocal and aggressive antis are also the loudest voices speaking out against canon and fandom racism. Many of them are POC, and speaking out is very personal and very much a form of activism. And for a long time those two things were really tied together for me? Like if you wanted to be part of the discussion on how to recognize and counteract fandom racism you also had to be part of the discussion on why people who ship incest should be burned at the stake. And I'll be honest part of why I was anti for a long time was because pro-shippers and blatant racists were held up as equally evil, and I didn't want to be one so obviously I couldn't be the other.
I'm still not sure how to go about fully separating these discussions in my mind or in my participation. I know very few fans who are pro, and I'm still in the process of extracting myself from the anti circles I was involved in. I would still like to be involved in bringing awareness to issues with racism, ableism, and the like in my fandom, but I also really, really don't want to interact with these people again in any way. I know a lot of the problem is that some people make fandom their sole form of activism and are really loud about it, and so its hard to find the people who have similar opinions who are just quiet about it.
I don’t think there’s a simple answer because plenty of people aren’t interested in hearing about activist opinions on their fanworks, and it’s not always because they’re white or racist or clueless. The reality is that most of us think that representation matters and that it would be nice if various groups had better representation both in quantity and quality…
But oldschool types like me see fic from a writer-centric perspective. I wouldn’t ask fic writer X to include more representation in their fic any more than I’d ask them to include in their diary or their sexual fantasies.
There are occasionally PSAs about stereotypes that are annoying in writing (Cf. the whole conversation around “almond eyes” or describing people with food words). People don’t always agree with the specifics, but most are fairly open to seeing those discussions in their space.
A lot of supposed fandom activism is about “It’s bad that everyone has favorite character/ship X”. This is a reader-centric attitude. The reader deserves to read this, so someone should be writing it. Moreover, someone should be writing it instead of what they’re writing now. This is never going to fly with most fans. As long as fandom “activism” looks like this, a lot of people are going to dismiss it and block everyone who posts this stuff.
Still more people are like “I know all that, but I’m in fandom to not think about it, unlike the other 99% of my life”, and I wouldn’t assume it’s majority members who think this way.
I also have no patience for “Writing kink about black people means you’re a bigot” style faux-activism. That shit is racist as hell and it is all over these discussions.
The big problem is the assumption that awareness is what’s needed. That’s assuming you know more than others without bothering to explore what they know and why they behave how they behave.
Your best bet is to be kind and welcoming but also block early and often when people are wasting your time and being hostile dickheads. Your best bet is to create educational resources that people can engage with at their own pace and by choice.
There are plenty of people reading me who aren’t white or who are otherwise ethnic minorities. I doubt most of them are antis, but they also don’t necessarily trumpet their identities all over when it’s not relevant. You’ll attract that crowd if you sound like you know what you’re talking about and like you won’t jump down everyone’s throat for no reason. But yeah, it takes a while to find anyone of any sort.
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99fandomproblems · 2 years
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I want to join in more with my fandom but I'm not sure how to 🥺
Hi Nonnie!
There's many ways to join in. The easiest way is to engage with people. Reply to their posts, leave comments on fic, send Asks, join chat groups, follow other fans on social media platforms.
I understand chatting or saying hello can feel a little daunting sometimes, especially in larger fandom spaces, so you can also think about creating and curating a blog for your fandom. It's a good place to start! Maybe you'd like to make rec lists for fanfic? Or simply reblog fanart you like?
A useful question to ask yourself is: what would you most enjoy doing in fandom spaces? Which role is you?
If you figure out which role you like best, it will help a lot!
A bunch of different fandom roles will fall into categories such as: content creator, reader and/or curator, or events organiser.
Some fans may be one of these roles, some may be two or more, and some fans may transition from one role to another over time.
What the roles do:
Content creators: artists, writers, pod-ficcers, gif makers, picture edits or meta writers, basically any means where content is created then posted online to share.
Readers: reading and commenting on fanworks, posting their fic recs, beta reading and/or cheerleading for writers.
Curators: cataloguing fics or content, posting fic recs, making rec lists, curating dedicated blogs for specific themes, or helping others find fics/content.
Events: organising or helping out for fandom events such as fandom gift exchanges, bingos, big bangs, prompt fests, etc.
Those are the main fandom categories! It would help if you pinpoint which category you fall into, or which category you want to be in, and go from there. This is how you can feel part of the fandom space and hopefully make some fandom friends along the way!
Want to be a content creator? Make some content! You can start off small, post to your chosen platform. Talk about your ideas and headcanon on social media platforms! Other fans will be there doing the same. Join in!
Want to be a reader? Get to commenting! Interact with writers and artists, leave them a nice comment. Become a regular name in their inbox or notifications (they will appreciate this!) Offer to beta read, offer to cheerlead. Fandom would all fall apart with readers and their dedication, so this is a very important role, and reader interactions are always treasured.
Want to be a fandom curator? Make a blog! Start reblogging posts to form your own library. Make or collect reference posts, or rec lists. 
Want to join in events? You can offer to help out with established events or new events, or you can create your own event. There's always lots to do! If you're organised and you’re good with people, this can be a great way to engage with the fandom community.
Key points to remember: 
All fandom roles are important, and they all play a part in the larger fandom community.
Fandom is for everybody regardless of experience, skill, age or anything else. You have a place here. You belong!
You don't need a resume to participate in fandom, it is here for all of us to enjoy.
I hope some of these tips can inspire you!
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clairenatural · 3 years
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i just really think more people on this website would be happier if they freed themselves from the chokehold canon has them in. canon is over. it can’t hurt you anymore. supernatural killed its own author on screen. “you can’t just say things didn’t happen because you don’t like them” yes i can <3 we can do whatever we want!!! it’s our sandbox now!!! just loosen your death grip on canon just a BIT it’s more fun i promise
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quillquiver · 3 years
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Feel free not to answer I just wanted to say I think the whole approach to "season 16" is very much so an age thing. I PROMISE that's not me calling you old lol I just mean a lot of people who are super into it are in their late teens/early 20s and a lot of the people who are super not into it are late twenties/thirties/whatever. I say this as someone in their early twenties having a blast. I think it might have something to do with how fandom/the ways fans interact with the works is evolving, like me and a bunch of us were on spn tumblr as 13/14/15-year-olds and grew up with that old tumblr energy that invited this sort of mania, whereas people who were older at the time or had been in other fandom spaces before didn't really participate in that. I think a lot of us are very self aware and "tinhat" because it's legitimately fun for us. I'm not criticizing you at all because I totally get what you're feeling, your posts on it just made me think a lot about this.
No, this is great! I am definitely from a different generation of fans - and I’ve noticed a divide in age as well. I guess I’m just curious how people have the energy? Or is it that things aren’t taken so personally?
For context: when I started in fandom, it was something that had an element of seriousness and responsibility because it had to be - it wasn’t something talked about, and you didn’t flaunt yourself because you didn’t want to drawn attention to yourself or the community for legitimate fear of getting your shit taken down and being slapped with a lawsuit. I started at the very, very end of that, and because it was hard to find, and because there was community responsibility involved, there was a code of conduct that had to be learned and adhered to. So like, being a fan is serious to me, and it’s an important part of my identity.
I have been in SPN fandom for the better part of a decade, and on tumblr for longer than that. So I know that energy! It’s great! I just feel that it’s shifted from motivating fanworks to encouraging this weird grief spiral, where everyone constantly seems to be angry and upset, and then couch those emotions in social justice in order to legitimize them - when, to my mind, feeling them should be legitimizing enough! Fucking revel in your emotions, this is a space built to process them, specifically. We made a space for ourselves to do that.
I guess I feel like a lot of engagement in fandom just feels very high stakes now, when it used to be this really nice, low-stakes environment way more conducive to relaxation. Sure, there would be serious drama that would kick up every now and then, but it was never sustained like this. I saw posts of people who seemed to be legitimately upset there was no new drama from the KoC podcast - and I’m confused, because before 15x18, drama was something we all generally agreed to try and avoid. Or at least, we knew exactly who was wont to create it and steered clear if that wasn’t our thing.
But this is everywhere. I’m not kidding; I have probably unfollowed more people than I ever have because I’m trying to get my dash somewhere back to normal and nothing is working. Almost every other post across my dash involves some kind of academic theory or willingly buys into network conspiracy--Jensen’s silence is sexy, but given the atmosphere in the fandom right now, is anyone actually surprised he or Misha haven’t spoken up? No one knows what their NDAs look like, and if it were me, I’d keep my trap shut out of sheer self-preservation. 
And like, I love tinhatting. I have been cockles a cockles tinhatter for a long-ass time and I enjoy the hell out of it. But - and I’m definitely gonna sound old here - I feel like there’s an element of respect, not only for the cast, but honestly, mostly for the community at large, that seems to have been obliterated in the SPN renaissance. I think that because lots of young folks grew up at a time where fandom was generally widely accepted, and now are being catered to, and they have forgotten that this is an actual community, and that what one person does reflects on all of us. Tagging the cast in shippy posts? A big no-no. Because I can tell you right now that the person you’re tagging might see your username and think of you as an individual, but you are part of a community that has been Perceived for a long-time, and your behaviour reflects on alllllll of us. 
And last thing, I swear, but like. The posts. The posts that just say the same thing in different words: from different blogs, from the same blogs, all with this air of manic self-importance that ratchets my anxiety up to 11.... what is with that??? These things rack up hundreds of notes and I am mystified because not only have we covered this years ago, we covered this last week and the post is dated 30mins ago. There’s this obsession with being right and finding the truth and being smart and just rehashing that over and over and it’s exhausting to me. 
And I know I am currently coming off as an old fart who’s complaining about young people and screaming get off my lawn but I am genuinely curious: Is it that I just take things very personally? Is it that everything rolls off you loyal s16 followers? How the hell do you have the energy for this? Don’t you want to process your grief? Are you grieving? How do you interact with works? Like, how, from your perspective, is that changing? 
These are legitimate questions, and this was very long, so if you’re reading this I’m sorry. 
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road-rhythm · 3 years
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also aquinian anon again one thing i realized after typing out stuff to you is that curating fandom experiences also largely involves avoiding toxicity and doing your own thing, so I'm very interested and grateful to your insight but after taking some time to think about things I realized i was not following stuff that brings me joy or I'm in spaces with people who don't have boundaries. so if you have advice for keeping boundaries and curation of fandom stuff, im all ears too
The best I can tell you is what works for me. And I've fucked up plenty. But I'll give it my best shot.
First of all: judging by your previous asks, yeah, I reckon a lot of your headaches have been as much a result of others' boundary issues as your own. Sounds like you're already headed in the right direction just by recognizing that this isn't fun for you, and that you are, in fact, here to have fun. Keep that at the forefront of your mind, and the perspective will probably help more than anything else.
As far as setting and keeping boundaries goes, you've got two questions to contend with: what sort of boundaries exist (or don't) in the fanspaces you frequent, and what sort of boundaries you set for yourself. I'm assuming that you interact with other fans/their fanworks here on Tumblr and on AO3, that you're at least familiar with Twitter and Discord as general ideas, and that you'll have seen some LJ and/or Dreamwidth pages even if you're not a regular on those sites.
ETA: Oh, shit, I forgot the cut 🤦‍♀️ (And you get a table of contents again) (small one this time)
External boundaries: affordances and engagement
Internal boundaries: when (not) to argue on the internet
Spötterdämmerung: Twilight of the Gits
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External boundaries: affordances and engagement
Present-day fandom exists overwhelmingly on the internet. That means that fandom's infrastructure is the websites fans interact on. Within the last ten years, and even more so within the last fifteen, the sites where fandom takes place have changed a lot.
You probably know that Strikethrough on LiveJournal was one of the big pushes that led to AO3's creation. What's easy to forget now, even for those of us whose first fandom experiences were on Usenet eight million years ago, is that AO3 has been wildly successful in ways no one at the time foresaw. (Skip to the bottommost post, by Ellen Fremedon.) Prior to AO3, it was common for people to post fic primarily or even solely to LJ. That had a lot to do with how hoppin' LJ was socially.
But the Archive of Our Own is just that: an archive. It's not a blogging platform, and there are no fora. So when the fic migrated to AO3, the rest of fandom moved onto Twitter, Tumblr, and eventually Discord.
Designers consider affordances: "properties of objects which show users the actions they can take." Good design lets users understand at a glance what they're meant to do with the tool/furniture/website before them; skilled designers can use this to steer people through the environments they create, profoundly influencing their behavior. It's both cool as hell and kind of scary to think about. Anyway. The affordances on Tumblr and Twitter are designed to maximize user interaction.
Retweeting and reblogging are super-easy and essential to the function of the sites. Liking is as easy as possible; commenting is as easy as possible; navigating on either site is hopelessly chaotic, but not knowing where the fuck you're gonna end up doesn't seem to stop anybody from tag-surfing. It's not just that everything is public on Twitter and Tumblr; it's more than that, almost hyper-public. People often liken conversations on these sites to talking to your friends in a public park—usually so that they can compare visitors engaging with their content to strangers accosting them in said park and interrupting. But there really is no comparison.
And that's before you even get to the algorithms these sites employ specifically to encourage conflict, because conflict generates more engagement than concord, and engagement is how the sites make money.
In days of yore, much of this would be rendered moot by the existence of friends-lock, and a lot more by the absence of reblogs/retweets. What constituted a community was much clearer on LJ or DW than it is on Twitter or Tumblr; as a result, boundary etiquette generally was, too. Currently, Discord replicates a lot of the community and conversation functions that LJ once did, but since it has no individual blogging/microblogging space, fandom still needs social media.
The closest thing to comms on those media are hashtags. Even discounting tag spamming/trolling/hate-reading, people interested in a given hashtag are a lot more likely to disagree about key fandom issues than people interested in the same LJ community.
And if they disagree, do they have an obligation not to talk to each other? Ninety-nine times out of a hundred they'll have a much nicer day if they don't, but I don't think it's inherently wrong or in all cases rude to do it. Some people go out of their way to make sure it's rude in the extreme, but strangers engaging with other strangers' content, even negatively, are literally doing what the site is designed to get them to do.
So yeah, fans who bang their shipwank up on sites specifically designed to get their content in front of as many eyeballs as possible and then shriek bloody murder about how reblogging something to disagree with it is exactly like somebody breaking into their living room are being… unreasonable. They are setting themselves up for outrage. They are demonstrating extremely poor boundaries. They are a throbbing, hemorrhoid pain in our collective ass. But I kind of feel for them, because I think a lot of what's happening is that they unconsciously miss the clarity and boundaries that things like comms and f-lock used to provide, even (maybe especially) the generation that was never even on LJ.
Once upon a time, fans were not any more mature or less hateful than they are today, but they mostly interacted with each other on sites with affordances that created some environmental boundaries that could be readily understood and took a bit more brashness to override. Now everyone has to bring those boundaries to the table themselves, and honestly, it's completely predictable that a large proportion would fail.
Internal boundaries: when (not) to argue on the internet
Since a large proportion of them are going to fail, if you want to have a nice time, you will have to do better.
As social beings, there are all kinds of internal boundaries we need to establish and observe. I don't feel remotely equal to giving any much advice about most of them. Here are my personal rules for getting into (and out of) fights on the internet instead.
Again, I don't think it's necessarily wrong or even rude to dispute with someone (and I think some of the times when it's rude, it's still right). So I won't advise anyone never to fight on the internet, but I try to follow two rules: 1) Think carefully about the fights you pick. 2) Walk away after you've said what you came to say.
The payoff can't be something that comes from another person. Particularly if you're arguing with someone across a major divide of some kind, you are not ever going to change their mind and it's unlikely you'll change the minds of their social group. Not that way. If you're going to do it, do it because:
you want to clarify your own thoughts.
you want to make a point to onlookers who aren't already polarized.
you want catharsis.
you care a lot about saying it.
If your motivation is catharsis, really weigh the payoff against the emotional costs of conflict. I mean, do that anyway, but especially if you're wading into something because you think it will make you feel better. In the short term, at least, it probably won't.
Whatever your reason for participating in the argument, once you've said the part that was important to you, stop there. You don't have to keep going just because someone responds. Opening your mouth does not create an obligation for you to keep engaging—not even with someone you addressed directly.
I think walking away is harder than not getting involved in the first place, because most of us have internalized that once we insert ourselves, we have to stick around. We feel like the fact that people are upset with us means we're responsible for that, and thus that we owe them something. But we don't. Not only can you walk away whenever it suits you, but you should. Be open to the possibility that any anger you've incurred is warranted, but if you're careful about step one, your conscience should stay fairly quiet.
This is the part that requires you to enforce the boundaries you've set for yourself. Are people shitposting about you? Yep, they're apt to. Are they twisting your words, making ad hominem attacks, speculating about your motives and getting them wrong? Yeah, they're gonna do that, too. Are they bragging about how they clearly destroyed you, since you haven't said a word since they returned fire? Let them. If you ever want to get of the carousel, sooner or later you're going to have to shut up and leave them to it; better it be right after you've said the thing you wanted to say than after you've said a bunch of things that you never really did because you got sucked in.
Practice it. Practice walking away from the conflict. Practice saying what you want despite knowing it's assailable; practice blocking people when you're done and letting them call you a coward because of it. Practice by fucking off and reading a nice book, or writing a nice fic, or making a nice meal. Practice switching mental gears, because that is not an ability most of us get for free. It's a learned skill.
Speak to satisfy yourself. Because any time you get angry at a stranger on the internet, the only resolution to that feeling you will ever experience will come from your end.
That is true of a lot of real-life situations where the person you're angry at is not a stranger, as well. It shouldn't be, but it is. Particularly when you are experiencing systemic injustice of some kind, there will often be sharp limits to the practical redress you can extract from a company, government, other power structure, or individual within that power structure. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't work for change, but if you're going to do it, you'll need to husband your mental and emotional resources for the fights that matter.
Spötterdämmerung: Twilight of the Gits
I have no idea if it's your only fandom, but since you've mentioned ships with its characters and you evidently follow this blog, I assume you're in Supernatural fandom. SPN is one of the biggest, best-established, and most transformatively productive fandoms out there; it ain't gonna evaporate overnight. It may well be one of those fandoms that never dies at all. But it will contract.
It already is. People drift away to other things; networks reshape themselves; communities slow down, consolidate, shutter. It can be melancholy for sure, but I prefer to think of it as a renaissance, as people trying out new interests and getting excited about new stories. And another major bonus: it tends to get way less wanky.
There's always a wank bubble when series end, but the thing about bubbles is they don't last forever. Eventually, the loudest voices lose interest as they lose relevance, and things calm down. Usually what's left is a quieter place where, yeah, maybe it's not quite the hectic pace it used to be, but mostly the folks who've stuck around have done so because they care more about the story than the adrenaline rush they can get from stirring shit.
Point is, you're in the market for stuff that's more fun and acquaintances who don't drive you crazy, and this is actually a really opportune time to find some. Things are already in flux; define yourself and your space any way you want.
In sum:
pick your battles
back-button and bitch in private
accept that not everyone will like you
practice saying, "Screw you, I do what I want" at odd times of the day
get better friends
screw haters, do what you want
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wednesdaysky · 4 years
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Hi! I've been following you since your DGM scanlation days and seeing your recent post, it seems that you're doing fine even during these trying times which is a big relief! If it's alright with you, I'd like to take the opportunity to ask you some questions, like how to interact with Japanese fandom in general and if you do translation commissions for things like Drama CDs (which I'm happy to pay for!). Sorry for being so forward and ty for reading!
Wow, hi!!  Yeah I remember you :D  I’ve seen your Tumblr around, and I snooped a bit and you used to go by Yamamoto Kou right?  Good to see you still around ☺ And gosh someone actually remembers that I scanlated DGM for five minutes!!??!?! I’m very flattered and sorry that we didn’t go on with that for longer lol.  Anyway gotta be honest, it’s been a minute since DGM for me so my memory is a little fuzzy lol, but I recall you being a chill cool person :)  Hope you’re doing all right yourself, goodness knows it has been a struggle for everybody in the hell year of 2020.
As for your questions, let’s see...
Interacting with Japanese fandom: Gonna be honest, it’s been a while since I did a lot of this.  It is very hard to break into Japanese-language fandom spaces in terms of like, actually making friends, if you’re not Japanese yourself.  If you really wanna make a serious go of it I’d say you pretty much have to be out there producing fanworks on a regular basis, or starting interesting discussions on Twitter on a regular basis, that sort of thing.  As in English-speaking fandom, being prolific with posting and proactively going out to interact is the easiest way to get noticed by like-minded people.  Though at least these days you probably don’t have to be on Mixi or anything like that lol since Japan has adopted Twitter so enthusiastically.  Japanese fandom can be extremely insular though, a lot of stuff takes place in private spaces or completely at offline events, and obviously the latter is something that most English-speaking fans simply aren’t going to be able to break into for the sheer effort and expense -- I’m not sure how that side of things has been affected by the pandemic, but still, the fandom has that tendency.  Sorry this is very generalized but if anyone else has any more detailed thoughts, please do feel free to leave your own comments.  I don’t have more specific advice because the last time I had the time and energy to genuinely (unsuccessfully) try to make Japan fandom friends was several years ago lol.
Translation commissions: I absolutely take commissions! I used to do this more formally in the past and had a site and stuff, but I never really got any bites so it’s more of a case-by-base basis when people ask me these days.  Mostly I am a J→E text translator: my standard rate for fandom stuff is USD $0.04/character for pure text, $1/page for manga (text script, scanlation is extra).  I have not been asked to do a drama CD before as I normally don’t work with audio, but I’m open to the idea!  I’d probably have to listen to and transcribe the CD before translation (unless of course you already have a text script) which can be a quite labor-intensive process, especially as my auditory processing isn’t the greatest, so that would be an extra fee; but I’d be very glad to give you a quote on what I would charge if you want to discuss details.  (Incidentally I have also been commissioned to do E→J in the past, which I’m happy to do as well with the caveat that I’m not a Japanese native speaker so I can never guarantee complete accuracy in that direction.)
Anyhoo, you haven’t been forward at all, it was nice to hear from you! :)  Feel free to shoot me another ask if you wanna talk commission stuff or just about anything in general.  I’m also happy to privately send you my Discord if you might like to chat over there - again, just about anything at all lol :D  Have a good one!!
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