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unicornofautism · 2 years
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we all know and love the underwater kiss scene in pjo, but there’s another underwater scene that i love but nobody seems to talk about.
do y’all remember in the sea of monsters, when they approach the sirens’ island, annabeth decides she wants to hear the sirens’ song? and then cuts her safety binds when percy’s not looking? think about that: surrounded by razor sharp rock, barbed ware, shipwrecks, and explosives, the daughter of athena goes towards her death seeking wisdom, and the son of poseidon doesn’t hesitate to plunge straight into the sea after her. when he touches her, he sees her dreams and aspirations: her parents, back together; luke, saved from kronos, at her parents’ side; all of them happy in NYC, redesigned by annabeth in gold and marble to be better than any city before it, better than even olympus itself—her loved ones are calling to her, right there, all she has to do is reach the beach—and then the sirens’ song is drowned out by the sea. percy takes them down, down, down, and like their future kiss, he creates a giant bubble to keep annabeth breathing. and when she realizes the song is broken, that all her dreams and aspirations are not within reach—all annabeth can do…is sob. she’s utterly heartbroken—overcome with the knowledge that the hopes of a 13 year old child soldier are just that: a child’s longing for the world to be right after being shown over and over again that it isn’t.
and so percy just holds her against him, giving the girl who never trusts anyone a safe space to cry—surrounded by explosives and shipwrecks at the bottom of a turbulent grey sea.
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professoruber · 3 months
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Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Finale Thoughts (and a few hopes for Season 2)
Spoilers for Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Episodes 7 & 8
That finale was amazing. The season as a whole was amazing, even if it felt kinda rushed/fast-pace, which is admittedly most likely a symptom of the episode count they were given so I don't mind it too much. But still.
Anyway. the finale was great, and it does seem like its setting up quite a bit of stuff of future season(s). Between the exterminations getting cancelled, the successful fighting off of the exorcist army, and death of Adam, the deal between Charlie and Alastor, Lilith's role in all this and most of all....
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MY BOY SIR PENT GOOD HIMSELF A REDEMPTION! GOOD FOR HIM!
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Emily is (naturally) completely ecstatic at a sinner getting redeemed and ending up in Heaven. Sera meanwhile seems... crossed between confused, concerned and maybe a tad horrified (hard to say).
Honestly was kinda hoping for Emily to have been more involved in the finale or even go behind Sera's back to intervene in the extermination and/or help the hotel in some manner, but I suppose sneaking out to help is easier said than done.
Nonetheless; Emily is so adorable in this short scene that I don't mind her lack of presence in the finale too much.
I suppose part of my mild disappointment is a symptom of getting slightly invested in some of the theories and fanart which has been made over the past week. There's been a lot of discussion and fanart of her becoming fallen; based on her condemnation of Sera and Heaven during "You didn't know", her insistence that she'd figure something out to help Charlie and that Sera warns her of the possibility of becoming fallen.
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(I've even seen it pointed out that Emily looks like she has horns here; which seems like foreshadowing so hm.)
So It does arguably feel a tad anticlimactic that Emily apparently wasn't able to do anything even after promising she'd figure something out.
So... I don't know; it did seem like they were setting up for Emily to do something but in the end she didn't really do anything. She was quite willing to very strongly call out Sera and Heaven via song, but didn't seem able to do much more considering that the Hazbin crew had to rely solely on themselves and other denizens of Hell.
But still, there's a lot of room her character in season 2 especially now that its been proven sinners can become winners.
As I noted above; Sera looks much less happy than Emily at Sir Pentious' arrival. Is this just guilt/horror that her 'necessary evil' wasn't so necessary after all? Will she change her mind or will she continue to be an antaongist?
Hard to say at this point; but considering how they spent time showing the cracks forming between the two seraphim; it feels like that probably has to build up to something?
Anyway, the hotel is definitely getting some credibility/notoriety now. Not only due to ending the exterminations and killing Adam, but also because one of their patrons did indeed get redeeemed.
On that note; if a sinner can become a winner, does that mean a winner can become a sinner? Because Adam's been committing a lot of sins in his every appearance, so much so that now that he's double dead he might go through divine judgement again and end up in hell as a sinner. In which case he could still be quite the problem (although if other demons work out who he is, he'd have a pretty massive target on his back considering all the exterminations). If Adam does become a demon, I wonder if the same would happen to the other dead exorcists? Hm.
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Also there's her. Lilith.
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Honestly right now I'm still not sure if I know enough to really make much of a judgement. She's been a mysterious and enigmatic figure from the start and the fact she's apparently been in Heaven and made a deal with Adam is... uh... I'm not sure.
Did she sell out her family/people for a life in paradise? Does she have some kind of grand plan? Are there more unseen forces/plots we don't know yet? Is she the one who owns Alastor's soul?
Who knows!
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Alastor shows again he's not the all-powerful enigmatic badass he initially presented himself as. He narrowly escaped double-death at the hands of Adam and still has soul owned by another. Still, he definitely does appear to have some serious ambitions to rise in his station.
He managed to make a deal with Charlie for a favour (presumably freeing his soul?) and also talks with Rosie about how powerful Charlie is and how he'd like to be the one to guide her. So hm... I do think Alastor is aiming high, not only intending to free himself but also use Charlie as a vehicle to achieve even greater heights.
To finish off with some final few thoughts (this post ended up getting a tad bigger than I intended, but eh)...
Lucifer was great, seeing him go full King of Hell on Adam was amazing.
I mentioned it before, but Emily was adorable as always - Can't wait to see more of her, including her interactions with Sir Pent
I wonder if Sera will face any consequences now that its been shown the exterminations are not as necessary as she thought
Emily becoming fallen (either getting casted out or choosing to leave) was a really fascinating idea and I do still feel there was a bit much build up for it.
Lucifer apparently got together with Eve at some point. I'd like some more details on that.
Going to be interesting to see what kinda upheaval the finale has in Heaven and Hell; with redemption being proven and new threats likely emerging.
Even if redemption's possible, not everyone wants to be redeemed... and now that its been proven angels can be killed, that might lead to some ambitious figures (such as the Vees) making ambitious plots. Especially since Lucifer is an angel and that's why he's king (of course, Lucifer's probably not as easy to kill as exorcists).
There's other stuff I haven't really discussed, but these are my main fresh thoughts for now.
Can't wait for next season!
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avaantares · 5 months
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Wait, Zhao Yunlan's gun is actually a...?!
(I've never claimed production meta for @guardianbingo before, but after the amount of time and research I put in on this, I feel like I've earned the "Zhao Yunlan's Gun or Whip" square, haha)
SO. GUYS.
Maybe this is something fandom as a whole figured out back in 2018, but I, who didn't hear of Guardian until 2020, did not realize until now and I need to share the knowledge because when I finally noticed, I made an unholy sound.
I've tracked down where Zhao Yunlan's gun came from -- or at least, what it most likely started as. Not the in-universe dark-energy-maybe-uses-bullets-maybe-doesn't-device-that's-best-not-thought-about-too-long, but rather the actual fake-steampunk-revolver-that-is-best-not-looked-at-too-long-because-it's-awful prop.
Y'know, this disaster:
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I was actually working on a different Guardian Bingo fill and needed to look something up for continuity, so I'd flipped through a couple of episodes at super high speed trying to find a scene. As luck would have it, one of my skips forward happened to land on the scene I screencapped above, when ZYL confronts Zhang Shi.
Normally we don't get this clear (or this stationary) a shot of the godawful gun prop. I'd assumed all along they had just taken a plastic gun, glued some extra bits and bobs on it to make it look fancy, and hit it with some dry brushing (fun fact: you can watch the paint flake throughout the series; check out the top of the barrel and the side of the cylinder in the above screenshot!) to make it look #steampunk like the abandoned aesthetic of 25% of the show (as I've said before, I have theories about what happened in preproduction, but that's another post). This sort of thing is exactly what I've done for cheap cosplay weapons or background props for film work that aren't going to be seen at HD detail range.
Anyway, since the detail showed up better here than in other shots, I paused the video to look at the random screws and hex bolts (why??) they'd glued on it, since I recalled that I had the aforementioned gun/whip bingo square to fill.
That's when I noticed a detail that had eluded me before: An inverted V shape at the bottom of the grip.
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Only looking more closely, that's not an inverted V. It's a symbol that I've seen a whole series of variations of over the past 15+ years... every time there's a new installment of the Assassin's Creed video game series:
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So I started hunting. The principal weapons in each game turned up no matches, but eventually I found a gun that looks almost exactly like ZYL's:
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It's not a perfect replica, but the details are certainly all there: The stylized logo; the leaves and swirls on the grip; the feathers up the back; even the Victorian scrollwork beneath the barrel.
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Now, what's really interesting is that this gun isn't actually from the AC game series. It's part of an elaborate fan project by artist David Paget that started as a class assignment back in 2014. Even though it gathered a bit of steam in the AC fandom and generated a couple of forum role-play groups, OCs and the like, nothing about this artwork was ever connected to a real Assassin's Creed title. So why would there be a physical version of a gun that was only someone's fanart?
This is where the smoking gun (*rimshot*) goes missing, because I can't prove any of this, and it's been long enough that digging through the archives of the internet to find answers is going to take way more time than I can afford to spend on a project I'm not getting paid for. But there are two likely possibilities:
Scenario A: Some employee in a toy factory somewhere in China got told, "This Assassin's Creed franchise is really big, so we need to be producing replicas from those games to sell. Work up some designs." So the employee Googles "assassin's creed gun," finds David Paget's very professional-looking art, and whips up a replica to mass-injection-mold without realizing it's not actually from a game. Later, someone on the cash-strapped Guardian production team needs a gun to mod, and finds a cheap toy revolver on clearance after several years of sitting in storage because there was little demand for a replica of a gun that was never in a game. They buy several, glue hex bolts on the cylinder for reasons unknown, and poof! Instant pseudo-steampunk!
Scenario B: Other fans were involved in the design. Someone did build a 3D model of David Paget's design that's still available on Sketchfab (screenshot below), and it's not unreasonable to assume that other fans could have thought it looked cool and built 3D printable models. Later, someone on the cash-strapped Guardian production team needs a gun to mod, and acquires the 3D print file of one of those models from the interwebs. They mod the file a bit, print some, glue hex bolts on the cylinder for reasons unknown, and poof! Instant pseudo-steampunk!
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Personally, I find Scenario A far more likely than Scenario B, for two reasons: First, the hero prop looks more injection molded than 3D printed, especially given the technical state of 3D printing back in 2017-8. And second... Budget-challenged dramas do have a history of picking up bulk video game replicas and using them as cheap props. I made a post back in 2019 about the WoW Horde shields we spotted in a different drama...
Anyway, no firm answers about the source of the hero prop -- the world may never know! -- but we have now confirmed that in some alternate universe (possibly one of the first eighty?), Zhao Yunlan and/or Zhao Xinci is an Assassin.
Wait, wait, wait... *recalls mechanics of how the whole Assassin's Creed frame story is supposed to work* Uh... so... who wants to write a genetic memory explanation for the whole Kunlun -> [lots of lifetimes] -> Zhao Yunlan thing?
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(I did actually check the catalogue of a friend of mine who makes replicas of props from various media franchises to see if he'd done a commission of the David Paget design, since a surprising number of his custom pieces actually do end up on film and television, but while he has a gorgeous replica of a revolver that actually appears in an AC game, it appears he has not done the Zhao Yunlan gun. I didn't really think it likely, since he's in the U.S., but you never know.)
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epickiya722 · 3 months
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If you don't mind me asking, can I ask your top favorite fics that you've written (feel free how much that you want to list)? Why they're special to you? Is there a specific inspiration when you wrote them?
Thanks if you want to answer....
I'll tell you, all my fics are special to me and most of the time, I find myself having fun writing them. Writing isn't just a hobby, but a way for me to release pent up feelings I have or express an idea that came to me.
To name a couple...
Beware of the Bunnies - It's the first fic I wrote for "if Miruko was Midoriya's mentor". It was fun writing that fic, especially when it's a fic for my two #1 faves. I honestly didn't expect the amount of attention I got for it!
Not Red, Black - I sometimes like branching out from writing warm-hearted, funny fics and this is one of those times. Another AU idea I had, but if Miruko and Midoriya were eldritch-like creatures and related. Unlike its prequel, this one stepped more in horror imagery and I think the direction the fic took.
Forbid a Woman from Being Great - Yes, another Miruko fic and one I actually wrote out of spite. When it comes to this fandom (as with any), is how double standard they can get. With Miruko, I have seem people hate her for being "too aggressive" or "too mean", but praise other characters for those same traits or even give excuses for their behavior. Or with fanservice, the same people who complain about it also thirst over the male characters getting bloody and shirtless. I don't hate characters like Dabi, Shigaraki or Hawks but I can't stomach how their fans act when it comes to Miruko or any other character really. It was actually a Hawks fan that irritated me enough to write this fic as well as get me out of the writing funk I was in.
An Absolute Menace - This is a fun little fic. It's part of a series of Class A and occasionally B partaking in antics. With this one, writing Koda as this troll was new, but fun.
Let's SK8 Over the Rainbow - This is actually a SK8 series that I wrote and it's still one of my favorites. It started off as a headcanon (Reki allowing Koyomi to paint his nails) and then spiraled into a collection of short stories themed around colors and I love colors so much. One of the fics, You're Lime Green Jell-O, I dove into expanding a character that only appeared once in SK8. Her name is Miki and she has green hair and I remember seeing her and going "You, you're getting some personality, a story, etc." Best decision ever. I just loved writing Miki and I think it was the first time I wrote a whole story for a character that only had two lines in canon.
Tu es le Moment Auquel J'appartiens - Another series I adore. I wanted to write some jealous Vanitas since I don't think I had seen a lot of Vanoé fics where he was the jealous one while Noé was more oblivious. Not at the time, I don't know about now since I haven't read a VNC fic in a long time. The title translates to "You are the moment I belong to" which is a line of lyrics from the anime's first ending song that I love so much.
It's the Pink Hair, Isn't It? - Do not get me wrong! I do love the AUs I see where Sukuna and Yuji are brothers, but the idea of this fic came from what if they were identical strangers and not related in the slightest. Even funnier, in the fic, Kenjaku and Suguru are siblings that look like twins, but Kenjaku is older. My favorite scenes probably have to be Kenjaku and Yuji interacting and Sukuna and Yuji meeting. I've also been cooking up a sequel so I can write more of Kenjaku and Suguru being siblings and Yuji's brothers and I do mean all nine older brothers. (I relate to Choso so much.)
Your Heartbeat Is My Comfort - Ever see a beautiful piece of fanart and you want to write a fic about it? That's what happened here. I saw this FushiIta art post here and it was like BAM! I had to write a fic. It was also another I didn't write something comedic, but more somber, bit of tragedy yet comfort in there.
Maybe Someday We'll Meet Again - I'm all for the Teacher Geto AU! However, this fic came from a what if scenario had Suguru and Yuji had met when they were younger and I always how Kenjaku was even aware of Suguru's technique. So I put both ideas together and thus this fic was born. It isn't dark, but little less comedic than others and I tried my hand at focusing on more of Yuji's strangeness and innocence here along with Suguru's character before he became a curse user.
You Are My Special - Again, another time I went for less comedy and fluff and tried with something else. I actually don't know how to categorize this one in terms of genre. SPECIALZ was stuck in my head for a long time and it got when I really started thinking about the lyrics and decided why not try writing something from Kenjaku's POV about Yuji? It may have took forever to write, but I'm glad I did. I actually wanted to write a companion piece of sorts but from Sukuna's POV about Yuji.
The Pink Sky and Cherry Blossoms - I actually just posted this fic and I'm glad I waited to answer this ask because of it. I was rereading the manga and came to Uro's fight with Ryu and Yuta and instantly fell in love with her character and thought about how would it have been like if Uro met my other favorite, Yuji? They have some similarities going on there and it was eye-opening writing those into this fic, especially with Uro's character. I wasn't around when that arc came out, so I didn't know how the fandom acted towards her, but for me, I just felt there's more to her than the surface. She's the Miruko of JJK to me as Yuji is the Izuku. Just as I would love for Miruko and Izuku to be a duo in a big sis-lil bro/mentor-mentee way, I love the same for Uro and Yuji.
The Craving That Paints Your Lips Red - The last fic I wrote for 2023 and a sequel to another fic, I wanted to try my hand at the horror again. But more tame, but still "Oh my gosh". I'm writing a post about it, but I have thoughts about Yuji and Sukuna's relationship and sometimes I have this feeling that Sukuna wants to corrupt Yuji, kind of like shape him to be the next him almost. Not for certain, but it's an idea that kind of struck me. For this fic, I wanted to explore a more horror fic side of Yuji housing the King of Curses. The best part of this fic for me is how I unintentionally stuck with the idea that Yuji keeps getting back up no matter how many times Sukuna tries to break him.
That list got longer than intended, but again, I have a lot of fics I have enjoyed writing! I'm glad to have talked about them and I thank you for asking! 💜
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my-name-is-bunnyfoxy · 7 months
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For the TMNT Ships Ask Thing:
Caseynardo (Leo x Casey)
and/or
Aprilnardo/Leopril (Leo x April)
I love these 2 ships so much. I know they are kind of rarepairs (though, MM gave a lot of love to Leopril and there has been a lot more Leopril stuff. Which is great!), but I love them.
They are very dear to my heart. Personally.
Caseynardo 2012:
I've never heard of it until long time later
Now I'm just kicking my feet
YESSSSSSS
Silly goofball jock x serious and quiet nerd RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
SCREW LEORAI
TO MAKE THIS BETTER LEO IS PRETTY MUCH BI IN THE SERIES (He's stated to have a man crush on Captain Ryan)
THE WAY THEY LOOKED AT EACH OTHER IN THAT ONE EPISODE
I'm aware they were kind of trash talking big foot in a foot too big but they were STILL bonding!!!
Please read Breaking the Ice by @fabuloustrash05 . I stopped studying for a few minutes to just read it and I'm proud. Disclaimer don't ditch your studies to just read fanfics that is not my message.
Anyways the fnafic solified my love for the ship.
Opposites attract
I can also see them as two friends who act gay but actually aren't or maybe they are.
Or two guys who seem gay but~ (inset bisexuality)
It's amazing. A solid 10/10.
2012 Aprilnardo:
We sadly don't get too much content with them but like-
I remember I was kind of introduced to this ship because I followed one of my idols who shipped it and made fanart of it and it was on DA. This was back before it got deactivated my account.
I LOVE 'Eyes of the chimera' episode. They were basically supporting each other all the way.
Ngl the transfem Leo lovers made me love it even more because I love me some lesbians. TMNT is already filled with some lesbians so why not add more!
I love how April is always by Leo's side and we see how much she cares for him.
I love the idea that April used to be into Space Heroes and then Leo got her back into it.
(For those who headcannon as both autistic) they would so totally talk and rant about their hyperfixation.
I wish though they had more moments together.
They are legit underrated.
The ship will get 9/10 for me.
I'll include rise and the mutant mayhem version cause why not.
Rise Leo x Cassandra:
Meh not bad
It's okay at best
I do feel like they could have become very close friends if Cass left junior under Leo's care in the bad future.
They are both reckless and over energetic and yet still have a lot of insecurities and issues that they have to cover it up.
Not a bad idea I suppose.
I guess 4.5/10. I don't know. We didn't get much of them so I mean.
Rise Leo x Junior:
ABSOLUTELY NOT
DNI IF YOU SHIP THEM
LEO WAS LITERALLY A FATHER FIGURE TO CASEY
"But I'm shipping the teen version of Leo with junior not adult-" NO. IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER.
ALSO IMAGINE DATING YOUR FRIEND'S SON. THAT WOULD BE SO DAMN UNCOMFORTABLE.
AGAIN, LEAVE MY PAGE IF YOU SHIP THEM.
Negative 0/10. Get the f out.
Rise Leo x April:
I've seen and been bombared by a ton of art regarding this ship on YT.
Controversial opinion: It's cute.
They both have the same energy and another controversial opinion but, Leo has a way closer relationship with April then Donnie. I've kind of seen more scenes with them together then with her and Donnie.
Though just like last time I prefer her being an older sister figure to him that Leo looks up to.
They both care for each other and love each other no matter what.
April pretty much comforts the turtles about their insecurities so she would do the same with Leo.
Probably a 6/10 or something. Again, prefer them as siblings but don't hate it. I'll kind of indulge in it tbh-
Mutant Mayhem Leo x April:
Better then 2012 Donnie's lmao-
They do have sweet moments
It's sweet they went to prom together
Mah boi was simping real hard
I feel like they should have gotten more scenes
I do feel like maybe April and Leo won't really happen or be cannon though. I don't know man. I'll see how it goes in the Tales of TMNT that will happen in 2024.
I'm really hoping they don't make it into a toxic love triangle or make it creepy or toxic.
I'll take this ship anyway as one of the only few good Leo romances.
It took them after 1987 to finally give Leo a good love interest.
the way he looks at her AHHHHHHHHH
The fanart of them together is really cute and wholesome (that made me remember that I still had that art request from you just sitting in my files- I didn't draw it because I didn't see MM yet- I'll try and get to it at some point I swear-)
Hope we get more scenes of them together
I'm unsure where I sit with this ship just yet. Again I'll see how it goes in the show.
For now, 7/10. I feel like a bit too high but you know what, whatever. The ship is okay so far.
Now...
Is anyone interested in Caprilnardo~?
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limesandcoconuts · 1 year
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A list of underrated and underused httyd duos:
Platonic Astrid & Eret - i feel like these two would be pretty good friends and Eret would probably have a special bond with Stormfly do that would bring them closer together. Also I may or may not enjoy the hiccup jealous of eret fics 🤭 I am by no means a THW hater but the fact we didn't get any of this duo was disappointing.
Platonic Astrid & Snotlout - Snotlout's Angels is one of my fave filler episodes of RTTE because it's cool to see them look at Snotlout's attitude to women, Astrid especially, and it was just overall hilarious. But I so wish we got more bonding between them. There is loads of Astrid and Snotlout moments in the show but it's mostly banter or comedy. I would've loved to see a bit with them turning to each other for comfort or something (the lack of this is probably why I'm writing a fanfic for it 🙃)
Hiccup & Tuffnut - the duo I didn't know I wanted until THW. There are loads of twins+Hiccup moments but I don't think there's many of just them (or maybe I've forgotten 🤷‍♀️). Just havin Tuffnut bring Hiccup's therapist and advisor whilst Hiccup rolls his eyes for the 100849th time. That's all, thank you.
Astrid & Valka - another one I hoped to have seen in THW. To be fair, there was a scene between them cut from the movie so at least they were planning on it. But I feel like they could've kept it in instead of the prolonged "Ruffnut thinks she's hot" bit. The haddock wives bonding over the haddock men. I know it fails the Bechdel test but eh. Although, I suppose they did get a scene together in the comics. Would've liked a nice personal convo between them tho.
Astrid & Ruffnut - I'm 99% sure there are no scenes of them together alone. They're the only two girls in the gang, I would've loved to seen some girl talk between them or just them slowly becoming better friends because Astrid seems closer with (obviously Hiccup) and maybe Fishlegs and Snotlout, even Tuffnut in an episode. But apart from Ruff having a go at her, there's no AstridxRuff duo. Unpopular opinion: I would've much preferred Astrid and Ruffnut together than Astrid and Heather.
Hiccup & Valka - this, again, is mostly directed towards THW. Hiccup and Valka have plenty of scenes and moments together but I wanted something in the aftermath of HTTYD 2. A lil angst even, if they could fit it in. Hiccup's mom came back after 20 years of absence, surely it's not as easy as just pretending it never happened and acting all normal. I feel like maybe this would've been better as a bit in the comics rather than the movie. Even just them grieving Stoick together. They didn't talk much in the third and I think that was a missed opportunity.
Astrid & Stoick - theres definitely moments for these characters, it's not non-existent. But I'm greedy, I would've wanted more. There's loads of fanart of Stoick being the biggest hiccstrid shipper, how cool would it have been to see that come to life a bit more.
This isn't a duo per say but just overall Dragon Swapping in general is something that would've been really cool to see. Like, Snotlout riding Stormfly? Astrid on Hookfang? Tuffnut on Toothless? These would've made for some pretty funny moments.
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hugduckhesgay · 1 year
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About Fluffybird, what do you think about the ship? What is your opinion and analysis about the relationships between the two?
righto heheh let's crack into these chuddy Ds--
tldr; fluffybird is the purest ship and it would be great if it became explicitly canon
first of all, I think the creators shipped fluffybird before they saw all the fanart! Duck and Red Guy's interactions even in the webseries have sweetness, and can be perceived as a suggestion of romance. Though these interactions could be platonic as well, the possibility of romance is there, and that's all any slow-burn romantic storyline starts as. maybe one day i'll list those telling moments, but that's a lot of work. lol. Back to the creator's shipping, idk, that's just speculation, but I think they easily had a fondness for red guy and duck's brand of affection for each other.
There are random moments that are just so shippy. I think these have all been pointed out by other ppl. Duck painting Red Guy as Red Guy stands like that?
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c'mon. The fact that they both want to be the dads? why put that idea in our heads? When red guy says his fav color is medium brown and duck's eyes are MEDIUM BROWN? I like to think that everything the creators have chosen to do is intentional and serves some kind of purpose other than comedic value... could be wrong there, but it's what I'd like to think. oftentimes the jokes have meaning behind them after all.
As for their dynamic, it is really interesting and nuanced! I don't rly see any hate between them, tho there ain't nothin wrong with liking the "divorced" dynamic. what I think is that they are made unaware of the feelings they have for each other. The 3 are constantly in a state of disorientation. I've seen people say that the fridge scene is one of the only times they get close to voicing their genuine thoughts and feelings without being controlled in some way, and I agree. however, when it comes down to it, duck displays great attachment to red guy, always looking at him for protection or initiative, wanting to be a family with him, etc. for red guy, well, we all saw what happened when duck died. he lost his damn mind, and he didn't expect to. it's like, as I said, he has feelings for duck that he isn't conscious of.
i have a bad silly theory that duck and red guy were in love and together before they became puppets or something lol. i dunno, it's possible for all we know.
now i want to address the arguments against having red guy and duck having a canon romantic relationship ((and it seems like very few people seem to have arguments! this fandom is fluffybird all over<3). it sucks, but i feel like most of these arguments are charged with homophobia or just romance shaming. romance is already present in the show, and it's all been cishet (superficially. B nice if chars came out as trans canonically? Lol). Yellow and Speshul One, Yellow and Clair. Regardless of context, romance is already present, and why does no one get upset about it? Because it's cishet, i'd argue. no one even notices it. now these are obviously satirical presentations which i thank god for, but it's still there.
we also already have tender moments between the three main guys. people might argue that 'why can't two guys just be friends?!?!' yeah, they can, and they are across 99% of media. is 99% of portrayals not enough? there is so little lgbtqia+ content that this argument is just ridiculous.
there's the argument that romance would 'ruin' the show somehow. sounds like an internalized problem to me tbh. adding romance wouldn't detract from the existing elements of friendship; it would embellish that, presenting a unique relationship that does not conform to the restrictive standards of society. (this would not be the case for a cishet romance, though I won't go into that.)
if people have a problem with fluffybird, I think they really gotta ask themselves why, really question where those feelings of discomfort are coming from. it's not like i'm asking for a nsfw scene. i think red guy and duck would have a romantic love language that is completely unique, like their confession to each other in the fridge scene. The way this show subverts tropes and makes things so weird, it would be so cool to see how it handles a genuine romance. I imagine it would be cuddly and lots of sweet words to each other, like what they do now but more explicit in that it is romantic love.
Anyway fluffybird is the purest ship I ever
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im a zutara multishipper though i often feel like a fake cause im not as hardcore as most of em.. i forgot all about that scarf scene its not as memorable as I'll save you from the pirates is that probalmatic imeaniguess but it was a fun scene in the cartoon ..
. so many zuts are celebrating over a silyl scarf scene but i can tell there's higher chances of hell freezing over than zutara and i dont look forward to them going again We were robbed when it doesn't happen. i love being a multishipper though cause i was very well fed with zukaang
im begging shippers not to bully gordon over shipping and it is interting to note how uncomfortable zutara makes the actors prob cause they recognize Kia is a teenager and Dallas is 22 year old.. theres hooplah over how the age gap is fine cause she' ll be 18 and theres a difference with 11/14 vs 15/ year old met guy when he was 20. of course kia is uncomforatble with zutara she met dallas aas a child. but here we got people treating her like she's an adult already.
the way kia is talked about creeps me out and i still think about the people telling me im a fake fan bec i think maybe we dont talk about kias age like shes not even real. i do enjoy the fanart comig from promo pics cause people are super talented but sometimes . it feels that people are shipping Kia/Dallas more than zuko/katara
Hi!! Honestly it's fine if you ship even if things for the ship are considered 'problematic'. I mean I ship Zukka and both of them have genuinely wanted each other dead or gone for a good chunk of the show lol.
I think, and I'm not going to generalize and say EVERY Zutara shipper, but one thing I've encountered as a pattern of difference between Zutara shippers and every other ATLA ship shipper, is canonicity. Zukaang, Zukka, Jetko, MaiLee, TyZula, Tokka, Taang, none of them are of the mindset that their ship will be canon so no one has any real problems with these ships. But a lot of Zutara shippers I've seen on twitter at least are convinced that Zutara was meant to be canon, and this inability keep fanon and canon separate is what's getting people's hopes up. And when it's made clear that these ARE separate, there's upset. I've seen the same thing happen with multiple other shippers and ships across fandoms.
Being a multishipper sounds fun anon, and I hope you're doing well <3
You're so right on the way people act about and treat Kia. Dallas has on interview said Kia is like a little sister to him, and yeah people keep forgetting that these two met when Kia was a child and he was an adult. It's why Dallas and Ian are fine when they talk about Zukka or can joke about "shipping" them.
I've noticed that people are doing the thing again(in 2024 dear GOD), where they keep waiting for young girls to be "legal" to be fucking creeps. People did it with Billie Eilish, the Olsen twins and a bunch of other female celebs and artists. I just feel terrible for her and Gordon, and I wish people would stop being weird about the actors and take a hint because Kia, Dallas, Gordon- none of them are being subtle about being uncomfortable about zutara. The only way they can be more obvious is plaster it on their foreheads. I didn't know about people talking about...ugh I can't even say it, Kia and Dallas like a ship GROSS. Leave Kia and Dallas out of it gosh. I got an ask a while back basically saying people will stop being mean to Gordon if Zutara becomes canon and I was flabbergasted. Like, you won't treat a child, with respect and dignity, because your 20 year old ship isn't real???
I've said this before, but people are just jumping to make Kia out to be more...older? People saying she looks like Gordon's mom(I will hunt these people on sight she looks like a child). And it's this, intermixing of sexism and racism and colourism (I've seen people be extremely disgusting about Dallas and Gordon too about their appearance. Pretty much everyone who doesn't fit into Western beauty standards are receiving awful hate- Thalia Tran playing Mai, Elizabeth Yu playing Azula).
People seriously need to get a grip and start learning to differentiate between fiction and real human beings or this is going to hurt EVERYONE involved, but especially Kia and Gordon. It doesn't matter if Kia is 18, she DOES NOT LIKE IT. DALLAS sees her as a sister, like i wish people would keep that in mind.
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i'm cry laughing some people on twitter are now saying "izzy bashing" needs to be tagged in fics. how did these people ever survive watching this show where izzy is the CANON ANTAGONIST i'll never know
benefit of the doubt but i think most of them have gotten to this point gradually. when they first watched the show they were not attached to izzy the way they are now. i know for a lot of people it was blorbo at first sight with izzy but i've also seen izzy enjoyers say they didn't like him at first, and then fandom made them care about him.
like i'm pretty sure for a lot of ppl it started off with isolating themselves from ppl who made posts that they didnt like, like ppl who criticized ofmd for being based on two real people with direct connections to actual real-world slave trade (which is an incredibly valid thing to criticize abt ofmd).
another one that i think funneled a lot of fans towards being so delusionally attached to izzy was people pointing out or complaining about the disproportionate amount of fan content for izzy compared to prominent characters of color—which is a consistent issue in fandom no matter what the media, and is also a very easy one for people to be uncomfortable with whenever they see it get pointed out. people venting that "fans care too much abt this white man" often make fans who care abt that white man very defensive right off the bat, and then rather than engage with why they feel defensive or question if maybe their enjoyment of this character is fueled by implicit bias (which it might not be, to be clear! im not saying—and i have never said—that everyone who enjoyes izzy likes him for racist reasons), they stop listening to the conversation abt white favoritism and continue blorboposting as much as they want. it's incredibly easy for fans to brush off this convo as "just starting drama" and avoid the topic altogether because "fandom is for fun!" and they dont want to think abt difficult topics like racism and implicit bias, they just want to enjoy their blorbos in peace.
so they kept narrowing the takes they were seeing until they were in an echo chamber that kept moving more and more towards complete woobification of izzy hands. these people are now looking at the show entirely through izzy's pov, making posts abt how sad it is that none of the other characters are ever nice to him, how frustrating the show is from his perspective, how it feels to be deeply in love with someone who doesn't love you back. they've stared at gifs of con's micro-expressions and read angsty fanfiction and looked at endless izzy fanart and their entire ofmd fandom experience revolves around empathizing with this one character even tho the show itself continually makes him the butt of the joke.
at this point, telling these people to rewatch the show doesn't even matter. they've spent so much time over-analyzing every single one of izzy's scenes to the point where the emotional responses they get from these scenes are not the emotional responses anyone would have watching the show for the first time. they've warped the entire first season to fit their version of the show and are forgetting how often the show itself bashes izzy.
and the icing on the cake is the trolling. there's like, one or two people on here who go around sending anon hate and leaving nasty comments on instagram posts and harassing people on twitter for... like, i would say "for liking izzy" or even "for saying positive things about izzy" but like. i've gotten these messages, and the most sympathetic i've ever been to izzy was the post i made like "maybe he's mean bc he has chronic IBS. i'd actually understand him more if that were the case." so when i get these messages it's easier for me to just laugh them off bc it's so obviously just someone trying to make me upset, but people who do care about izzy (a lot of them being the same people who avoided engaging with the "why does fandom care so much abt white characters" convo) get these absolutely horrible messages about how they deserve to get hate crimed and they should kill themselves. and these fans who didn't want to even see vaguely negative posts abt izzy bc they just want to enjoy fandom in peace are now like "im targeted for just liking a character!"
so that's how we get to people saying that "izzy bashing" needs to be tagged. never mind that their definition of "bashing" almost certainly includes things that are not bashing but are just things that contradict the way they headcannnon him.
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🎨 📓🎧🎬?
wheeeeee! RIGHT THEN. *cracks knuckles*
🎨 what scenes from your fic(s) do you really really want fanart of? ooooh WELL like all of them XD but I would LOVE to see the illuminations in the Tale of the Kings from Stars and Arrows, y'know. :D :D :D I need to give those two another nudge...
📓 list your current WIPs argh well there are All I Want Is You and Break You But You'll Mend both of which I have been intending to work on for EVER and not getting round to >.< and the Twins-make-their-Choice fic which has been stalled for two years, and part whatever-it-is-now of It's Always Been You and Stars and Arrows AND the everlasting novel Two of a Kind, and I am working on precisely NONE of them. I need to have a proper sit-down and sort them all out, but it will not be this day. Maybe over the holidays...
🎧 your favourite singer/band is going to write an album about a fic of yours - which fic and what would the album be like? This is a tiny bit of a cheat, because most of my favourite artists make music that totally doesn't align with the sort of fic I write XD but a long LONG time ago I self-published a novel, and it was absolutely inspired by Beloved by VNV Nation and a bunch of their other songs so I'd love to think of what they might have created if they'd actually been given the novel to make a soundtrack for it.
🎬 which fic would you want to see made into a movie or tv show? (Assuming obviously this can happen) Go into details about why and what you’d want it to look like! omg. I would absolutely LOVE for Empty Vessel-verse to be a movie. Series of movies. Lavishly budgeted TV series. Actors from the LotR/Hobbit series mostly playing their characters with the addition of Paisley Billings as Maudie (Bard's wife) because she has EXACTLY Maudie's chaotic energy, and Rosamund Pike as Auriel (Thranduil's wife). I'm not very visually-inclined so I haven't any other facecasts but I am prepared to be swayed by your idea of Riz Ahmed as Imrahil (he's a bit young though...hmmm...oooh wait what about Ramon Tikaram? hmmm...). The closest I've ever seen to my idea of the Twins was a piece of art that nobody seems to know who originally made it, although I'm happy to let Jason Secto do it (he's the dark-haired one who appears twice in two different places in Arwen's arrival at Minas Tirith in RotK and one of these days I will make that crazy red-string-filled Tumblr post explaining my theory; he also played Orophin in Fellowship).
Wheeeee! Thank you for asking, and for creating this one! Huge fun! <3333333
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I really want to see what will happen to zutara fandom after the release of live-action series. Because I noticed something.
Now, several promo pics were published, showing us how Aang, Katara, Sokka, Zuko, Iroh, Azula, Ozai and Zhao are going to look in the show - costumes, wigs, makeup and all - and I don't see tons of fanarts with Zuko and Katara in their live-action garb. Also live-action Zuko does not look as much "bishonen" as many fans wanted (I saw what they suggest instead and most of the time their suggestions are so "perfected" they look more like plastic dolls then real people).
I strongly believe that Zutara won't be the live-action endgame - but I suppose Netflix will add some ship-baiting to keep the zutara-shipping audience, just because there are plenty of them and the corporation wants money. However, after the release of the promo pics I don't see so many "they'll make zutara endgame!" posts. Zutarians don't want Zuko who is not as pretty as K-pop idol? Hm, is their ship about character interactions at all - or they just want two good-looking characters to be together because they are both good-looking? I bet for the latter.
I personally have nothing against the actor picked to play Zuko's part in live-action, or K-pop idols, or people who like K-pop idols. This all is fine. It's just funny to me that zutarians lost interest in live-action when they saw that one of the characters that they ship doesn't look like their fantasies. They are not even like "well, maybe Netflix will add chemistry so we will get some shippy scenes?". Nah, they just pretend there is no live-action adaptation. Funny.
Now, let's be fair here, while I have seen some zutarians that are already hating on the show's "Zutara" becuase they're only into the ship because of Zuko's looks, I have also some that are SUPER excited for it, even after seeing the actor in costume.
There's just no way the Netflix thing will get the same level of devotion from fans, at least not right away - one is something we haven't even seen, the other is a media the fans have cherished since 2005. Zutarians are not the only ones not pleased with how some of the characters look or skeptical of the live action, which makes complete sense when we remember the awful movie we do not speak of.
Personally, I don't think ATLA could ever work in live-action, so I don't blame anyone that takes a look at what Netflix has shown us so far and goes "I'm sticking to the cartoon" - even if, as I've said a million times, said cartoon doesn't actually have any zutara content to offer in the first place, so I don't know what the hell these people are so attached to and expecting Netflix to "do justice" to.
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Despite all your bitching we still got Radovid and Jaskier sex scene lol. Congrats on siding with the racists and nazis about his sexuality cunt.
I still 100% stand by saying that calling Jaskier "sapiosexual" was not only a shit move, but a cowardly one. I'm not going to rehash discourse that has existed since 2012, but the term has repeatedly been criticised for being deeply entrenched in ableism and classism.
Furthermore, I can guarantee it was chosen for being more likely to appease the average pseudointellectual Redditor who can see themselves in the term while also doing the bare minimum required to make shippers get excited. I think that if you're a straight actor (as far as I'm aware, Joey is) playing a queer role, it's important to research and get feedback from the community you're portraying, and the use of sapiosexual did not give that at all - that's not a condemnation of him as a entire person, that's just saying he said something stupid, much like you or I probably do on a regular basis. As far as I'm aware, he's walked it back, so good for him, shit happens.
Have standards beyond "makes the sewers of the internet angry" and the idea that anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you is aligned with them.
Also, weird how I've seen maybe two posts about Philippa/Eve, another gay sex scene shown on screen (+ as well as one piece of fanart by some legend honorary mention). Weird how Cassie Clare wasn't getting the same protection against online weirdos who have constantly criticised her acting and appearance when she went canon as a queer character. Wow, I wonder why they've received crickets while the other ship has received entire essays + people in a queer womans messages calling her a cunt for criticising poor worded lip service? I guess we will never know.
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hello i saw on ur twitter that you read alot and do you have some book recommendations? im open for anything
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1 The Prince of Milk by Exurb1a = if you're like me and can't read any mr. gaiman books bc his writing style bores you to death then this might be for you. really fun cosmic horror/ scifi book. there's some gore, lots of death and a character who's been battling constant suicidal thoughts with several suicide attempts under her belt, so pls be careful
2 The Book of Lost Things by John Connolly = it's about the dark and twisted nature of fairytales, plays during WW 2 and covers difficult topics like loss and death. There's also some murdering and sick experimentation going on, like sewing a human's head on an animal's body etc.
3 Prosper's Demon by K. J. Parker = quick and fun read with an interesting take on exorcism and demon handling. loved the main character's interactions with the demons and how he solved his problems in the book lol
4 Afterlove by Tanya Byrne = sweet book about girls falling in love and then unapologetically staying in love for the rest of the book. srsly, they're so sweet :')
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5 All of Us Villains by Amanda Foody and Christine Lynn Herman = YA about teenagers killing each other in a blood tournament with an intersting magic system. pretty dark, lots of blood and injuries, actual death and, of course, feelings. funniest straight bait i've seen in a while, promising gay romance (not confirmed yet but it's hinted at and I hope we'll see it come true in the sequel). it's a bit of a pynch situation, just with more murder :)
6 The Starless Sea by Erin Morgenstern = it was recommended to me as a love letter to literature and it really didn't disappoint. one of my favorite books I've read this year. also gay with lovely characters and a stunning world, but has unfortunately one-dimensional and flat villains. it's literally about being gay and liking books (didn't like the pop culture references at the beginning but thankfully that stops after a few chapters)
7 Bunny by Mona Awad = AHHHHHHHH I LOVED IT SO MUCH. really, really, REALLY fucked up. I srsly don't recommend it if you don't like horror and gore and murder. feral women becoming even more feral, committing some actual atrocities most dark academia books don't dare to mention. the main character is bi. the book even made me tear up at the end bc of how it handles the topic of loneliness and despair
8 If We Were Villains by M. L. Rio = you probably witnessed me losing my mind over this book on twitter when i live-tweeted my reading journey. nothing has changed, i still think about this book daily. it's one of the books i'm gonna draw fanart for once i'm done with all of my exams. i can't put into words how much i love it, it makes up like 60% of my personality by now. oliver and james are the bitches i will still cry about in 30 years. the book has one of my favorite endings of all time tbh
9 The Secret History by Tonna Tartt = We've all read it. It's one of my favorites
10 Piranesi by Susanna Clark = it's one of those books you shouldn't know ANYTHING about when going itt, which makes it hard to recommend bc I refuse to say anything about it. If you like dark academia then maybe give it a try. I loved it a lot. it's weird but has a very special place in my heart. pls don't look up th plot. pls don't. srly
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11 Wicker King by Kayla Ancrum = it has a really interestng fantasy concept i wish we would've seen more of. it's about two best friends becoming more and more obsessed with each other while losing themselves in their.... uh.. "game". really felt for them and their desperation to stay together
12 Horseman by Chhristina Henry = a dark retelling of the legend of sleepy hollow with a trans main character who i ADORE and still think about daily. again, lots of death and gruesome, gory scenes. really cool concept. have i mentioned that i love the main character? bc i really love him
13 Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro = if you're interested in scifi that's not a grand and overwhelming space opera than pls give this book a try. it's about AI and the appreciation of life, how do deal with sickness and destiny and loss without losing hope Hope these help a bit. idk why but i prefer reading about unhinged and sad characters in summer. makes me feel good somehow <3 sorry if these are too depressig for you!
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Kind of an odd ask, but do you have any unpopular opinions about the boys?
I will be honest, I actually don't know what counts as an unpopular opinion about them because while I have been doing my best to chip in from my side, I haven't gone poking around a lot for... reasons... (I was not having an easy time mentally and emotionally, as one is wont to do in trying times!) But I did notice some things that I was very counterculture on:
Not a fan of domineering or sadistic Risotto stuff in general - his everything from power position to ability to just physical size makes a lot of people lean towards that, but I personally don't enjoy that sort of thing and would rather have him act and behave differently outside of assassination, you know? I also don't ship him and Prosciutto (beyond that singular extremely specific flavor I once wrote about, and even that took a lot of thinking because I used to be so averse to the whole thing that I blocked every iteration of their names just to escape the ship. Those were really bad times for me.)
Not much to say about Formaggio - I mostly agree with folks on his anime color scheme being a crime, etc. though I don't make him as self-conscious as even canon suggests him to be? To my mind an assassin team would recognize how useful he is and treat him better than what the anime adds for us.
I never vibed with the idea that Prosciutto was a chain smoker or even a smoker? I am starting to loosen up on that front and like, depending on the situation I can allow for it (mostly if it's just bonkers, see the Yowapeda AU where he can race on a bicycle while smoking, it's just a good mental image that tickles me), but for the longest time I was extremely irritated when even in like, just your standard fanart, he was the only one shown with a cigarette, because he doesn't smoke in canon and to my mind he would probably be wary of smelling like an ashtray. I also never liked the "he lives on coffee/hard alcohol and drugs" sort of stuff, but maybe I'm just too doggedly straight-edge even where you could make allowances (such as a cutthroat setting). To me it's infinitely more interesting to have him be startlingly sober through all of the bullshit he is dealing with. In general I also don't do well with him being depicted as a complete mess, or people saying he's probably a racist? Like, you do not have to project that onto a character that doesn't give a reason for it?
Pesci... Pesci is well and good. I don't ship him and Prosciutto, and I guess that is as unpopular as I might get? To those who do, power to you, I've just never been big on mentor/mentee or senpai/kouhai type ships, I only do a few flavors IF I do, and that's it.
Not sure what is out there on Ghiaccio... I got nothing unless he and Risotto are a big ship, in which case I'm unpopular by passing that up. I like him better with Melone and even better with Formaggio, perhaps Prosciutto. I need to open up ideal ship dynamics again soon and have someone ask because Ghiaccio/Prosciutto is so fucking bonkers in my head.
Is it still unpopular to like Melone? If it is, we did it! I've done a lot of meta on Melone and Baby Face by now, and if general opinion is as unbending as it was years ago, it is probably all unpopular, but I just never saw him as being worse than any other member of the team, because... he isn't. It's Araki's bad making that train scene look worse than it actually was.
Not sure what is out there on Illuso? I am very much in my "he's a hoarder" corner so if he's mostly seen as minimalist or organized then I'm in the unpopular camp who sees a mess inside AND out.
Sorbet and Gelato take... I don't really enjoy art where their deaths are used as a motif. I have seen too many of those. I get that we have so little canon material to work on, and we all love a clever hint and depiction? But I would always rather have fun alive and well art of these two than art that reminds me...
But again, to each their own! None of these are me grilling or shaming anyone, it's more of a soft shrug of my shoulders at this point, and thank god for that. I remember being more angry about any and all of this, but I feel like I've achieved some semblance of peace down the line - probably in part thanks to all the kind people who enjoy my version of the boys! I dearly love what I have made of them, and the fact that other people can vibe with that is really cool and it makes me happy!
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hello, i was on the bird app and i saw a thread regarding how mxtx wrote MDZS as a fanfic for OCs she wrote as a teen. i guess i was curious if this is true since MDZS isn't seen as a well researched or intentionally written masterpiece. i find that the fandom tends to really focus on interpreting intention into her writing when she simply maybe wanted to write her OTP as they are
Oh anon. You have run into the conclusion of the idiot brigade on the bird app. I was there in real time watching my friends who have twitter accounts arguing with this nonsense and I can spell out just how nonsense it is and how they know it's nonsense.
But first, Modaozushi is not a fanfic. It is an intentionally written novel, written to deconstruct common xianxia/danmei fan tropes and it is incredible at it. Something that becomes more and more apparent the more of them I read. She may have not intentionally written it to be a masterpiece, but she absolutely knew what she was writing. Also the "well researched" is nonsense because it's not meant to be set in any one particular historical time, it's like if we were to call all fantasy novels poorly researched because they mix up 8th century squabbles with 15th century armor. When you are writing fantasy, you are allowed to mix as many bits and pieces as you want together when creating your own world and Modaozushi is certainly a created world.
I have heard, though I cannot verify, that she created Xiao Xingchen and Xue Yang earlier in her life, but the fact that she did this does not make Modaozushi a fanfic for them. For one thing, they're only in the book for a maximum of ten chapters. Two, regardless of how they were originally created, they slot in seamlessly into the world which is much, much bigger than the two of them. Also it is no longer about them. At most it would be a sequel to some of her more youthful writing that is about a much larger story that was happening around them. That does not a fanfic make, especially when everything in Modaozushi is either common xianxia/danmei conventions or her own original creations.
Now that I've made that part clear, let me tell you why this thread came into existence. Because it is entirely the made up nonsense of butthurt JC stans on twitter.
I am fortunate enough to be friends with the delightful @jiangwanyinscatmom who wrote a fantastic meta on the Ancestral Hall scene and why not only were Wangxian not being disrespectful there, but by the very resources and arguments JC stans were making as well as cultural context, Jiang Cheng was the one being disrespectful and that's part of why everything went down as it did and it is meant to show how terribly Jiang Cheng is behaving.
Some very butthurt BNFs who make money off of drawing MDZS art decided to first lie about this meta because it directly shows their trash fave as he is and makes it harder to lie about how he's the only betrayed one in the book and everyone, especially Wangxian, is just out to get him. They were very upset that the book itself did not conform to their wild nonsense.
This did not go over well. After several fights and a bunch of blocking, they made up this thread when called out on lying about and dismissing MXTX's work in favor of their own headcanons and decided to invent a rumor that MDZS was just a fanfic that she wrote of "some characters she made in high school" to try and minimize the legitimacy of what others were saying about their attitude.
There are a few problems with this argument. One is that they know it's bullshit, they made it up because they were mad. Two is the point that I outlined above about how it does not meet the definitions needed to be fanfic. Three is that they think calling it fanfic demeans it while they make money off of drawing fanart of her work so they are being stupid and hypocritical there.
The last one is also that it shows how little they actually know of the world that MXTX lives in. MDZS is not her first published work even, it is her second. Scum Villain's Self Saving System had already put her on the map before she even wrote Modaozushi. She knew exactly what she was doing, she was setting out to lampoon common tropes of the genres she read, SVSSS is absolutely hysterical when you know more about the stallion novels she is cheerfully mocking, and MDZS is an absolutely brilliant takedown of many common xianxia/danmei tropes especially with the presentation of the lead and how modao/guidao itself is used almost as a trap to make people think that they'll be reading about the slow blackening and corruption of the protagonist as is common, only to find out that he is the one who is right, guidao was never harmful to him and what really brought him down was the classist cultivation world turning on him for being brilliant and of low rank. Wei Wuxian is a servant who is the son of a servant and a disciple of an immortal and that combined with his brilliance and unwillingness to be pushed down to be silent was enough for the cultivation world to bury him for it.
This is not something you write on accident. This is not something that you do when just playing around and doing some silly stories on the side. MXTX knew exactly what she was doing in MDZS and she executed it perfectly.
So no, it is not true, anon. It is not at all what they said. I do think there is an extent that people read way too much into her works when she just wanted to write things about the leads she developed, (don't get me started on the current crop of WWX would actually hate it in CR and he just wants to leave the world and go settle on a farm, he is not XL and CR is not the heavens and just because her extras are about Wangxian being deliriously happy in marriage does not mean that he's actually quietly suffering and being a miserable damsel in distress waiting for LWJ to see the light and rescue him) , but this is not it.
This is a bunch of butthurt, whiny JC stans who make money off of drawing art of him being mad that they don't get to control the fandom and that there are people who will call them out on their shit, continuing to lie and diminish the very work their reskinned oc fave came from. There is no truth in MDZS being fanfic. They know it's not true.
They're just mad they don't get to run the fandom anymore because there are too many of us who actually read the book.
Thanks for the ask, hope this cleared some stuff up!
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Echidna (ask character meme)
Now the real question is - which version of Echidna? >:3 Let's go with the Echidna Subaru interacts with.
Sexuality Headcanon: She's somebody who would be curious about all forms of love as part of her thirst for knowledge, so I can see her being interested in anybody that could provide a new experience.
A ship I have with said character: Hmmm, Emidona maybe? I've seen some cute fanart and it is funny seeing Echidna lose her shit over Emilia just being nice to people.
A BROTP I have with said character: Toxic brotp has to go to Subaru, but like... any of the witches works. I really want to see more about them interacting, but I've been slacking lately. Oh, and if we're counting all forms of Echidna, then Omega and Palmyra and Colette is pretty interesting.
A NOTP I have with said character: Subaru. I dont mind it if its portrayed as a very toxic ship, where its very clearly wrong, but it feels weird seeing a witch willing to let him die millions of times for her curiosity just have a happy relationship with him. Sends a bad message to me.
Oh and Echidna/Roswaal. That one's just...yeesh.
A random headcanon: Scarfdona has a lot more going on behind the scenes (Capella trying to hunt her down in Cat's Eye, for example) but I have a strong feeling Echidna intentionally made her in a way to obscure certain knowledge (like how she was made, her purpose, memories) just so that if Echidna-As-Omega were to meet her, it'd be a goldmine of new info.
But I could be very wrong! I just want more info on how exactly the different Echidna's matter to the plot.
General Opinion over said character: Very polarised. Witch Echidna was fascinating, I love her long rant in the WN/LN (which got fully adapted in the manga as a whole page spread!! 2000 words over like two pages) and the sheer psychological horror she poses during arc 4 as Subaru's surrogate parent - super good. Her relationship with Beatrice is so cruel but there's so much you can do with that dynamic. I don't care for Echidna and Roswaal's dynamic beyond how messed up it makes Roswaal, but even there I can admire the writing.
But I'm not really fond of the several different Echidna's running around. I can understand Omega, but Scarfdona doesn't even have a unique name. I have very mixed feelings about Scarfdona, from her shortening Ana's lifespan by spamming Jiwald uselessly to her muted role in the Ana camp (Only Ana knows her, despite meeting Scarfdona when she was 12. I know she's an intelligent character but keeping that under wraps for 10 years??) It just feels like that iteration is very lackluster compared to what we've expected from Dream Echidna and Omega.
Thanks for the ask!!
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