#idek about network fuckery tbh anymore like yes ithink there's fuckery to the extent that dean winchester cannot tell a male presenting

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I want to babble about this line from this Variety article. It was added in by @celestialcastiel​  on @winchestersingerautorepair​​‘s post. This article was posted just before 1509 aired, and is Dabb giving the answers.* *I do want to say that with interviews, I struggle with what is sometimes canned answers or talking points, and which ones reveal the truth, so this is just me operating on this is Dabb straight up telling Facts TM.

**eta in my original posting of this I said it posted after 1509. It was posted 2 days before on January 14th, 2020. 

This isn’t me so much going ‘network fuckery’ because I’m growing exhausted of trying to figure out the behind the scenes—however I am growing more interested in what’s been left in season 15 for us to discern.

So Dabb says there that Chuck’s ending, what he wrote in Becky’s house, will pay off completely.

Here’s the thing: Chuck wrote technically two endings to show Becky, but we ended the episode with him still writing, so we don’t actually know what he did with the ending.

I talked about his endings in this post the other week because it wouldn’t leave my head, but essentially, every note Becky gives for the first ending Chuck writes is addressed (or would have been addressed pre-COVID... looking at you Kansas concert). The second one he gives her, however, is truly horrifying to her. But she doesn’t give any specific notes, just some vague feedback that utterly delights Chuck, like, look at his face:

I’m going to bring up those random “Final Draft” scripts that caused such a frenzy in the Fandom the other week, only because there are deleted words from that script to the episode we got that I’m still “wtf???”ing about (in a good way) which I also highlight in this post. I’ll just re-copy it into here:

From the “Final Draft” script for 1520:

And then from 1509:

January 6, 2021, 9:09:18 PM, Chuck’s pocket watch ticks as he shows Sam another bit of a potential future. Dean and Sam in the Impala, bloodied from a fight]

DEAN: I know what you’re thinking. But we did everything we could.

SAM: No, we didn’t. We could’ve gone in there sooner.

DEAN: The place was crawling with wolves. We had to wait.

SAM: And because we waited, the victims – they all died. They bled out on the floor. Now, if Cas was still here, he could’ve healed them.

DEAN: Yeah, well, he’s not.

[Real Sam sits in the back seat witnessing this conversation, shocked and horrified]

SAM: Cas?

[Real Sam looks at the watch in his hand and the conversation continues]

DEAN: They’re winning, Sam. The monsters are winning.

The thing is, with this future Chuck had showed Sam, his sole purpose at least that we were led to believe in that episode was that Chuck wanted to break Sam’s spirit, make him think it was “hopeless” in that moment

And what else was hopeless? 

The second ending Chuck presented to Becky. She said it was awful, horrible. It’s hopeless (and on “hopeless”, Chuck made either a confused or “hadn’t thought of it like that” face) The first ending wasn’t hopeless. She wouldn’t have been okay if the first ending had them both becoming Vampires or one killing the other. Not with where she currently was headspace wise as a fan. 

In the first ending, we are not told that the boys are in Heaven. Just various plot problems. 

So which ending won?

It’s my personal belief, and I’m sure others probably share this so I don’t claim sole ownership of this, that Chuck merged the two, while also amping up the villain. In the post above where I liked to my musings on 1504 I discussed him looking pissed as fuck when Becky was saying the villain was lame and then looking peeved when she said a “a little originality wouldn’t hurt”. 

Another thing I wanted to point out: I do not believe Cas was ever going to be in the finale. 

As to why, that’s a debate for folks who probably know the writer’s room and BTS better than I do because we can speculate all we want, but in 1504 Becky says, as part of her notes:

“No one even mentions Cas.”

That to me implies that he was never in Chuck’s original draft either. Why would someone have to “mention him” if he’s already there?

That’s pretty early in the season to spell out that Cas isn’t going to be in the finale, in my opinion. So early in fact that it wasn’t due to COVID-19, it wasn’t due to super last minute fucking around with the script, but that Cas was never going to be in the finale. 

Does that make me hate Andrew Dabb? Hell no. Because, for me at least, throughout the season, little red flags were planted, plot lines were introduced then suspiciously forgotten about—all of which kind of revolve around Cas. In my opinon, if there were to be a “Season 16″ continuation, it’d be very easy to pick things back up. 

They structured it in a way that once Cas was not actually there, things seemingly went horribly wrong. [mumbles about Jack is Chuck theory]. 

As for the “tension” thing, I am still rewatching the season, but I want to say that the tension was one brother killing the other—I think that was the red herring. We actually didn’t even get that in Chuck’s future he showed Sam. They were both monters in that one, Butch and Sundance.

So yes, what’s the point of this long ass post (sorry by the way)? 

Dabb was honest to God telling us that Chuck’s ending was always going to happen. I think both of the ones he gave Becky merged in a way, but mostly echoed the first one (this part of the theory is still a little muddled for me). 

I do not think Cas was ever going to be in the finale. 

And the monsters won. 

It was “hopeless”. 

But! It’s not the end. It’s Chuck’s ending. He’s the villain. He managed to escape. He brought originality to the story by making it about how he can escape his narrative. “Jack” (again, Jack is Chuck theory) at the end of 1519 said:

People don't need to pray to me or to sacrifice to me. They just need to know that I'm already a part of them and to trust in that. I won't be hands on. Chuck put himself in the story. That was his mistake. 

It’s Chuck’s ending. It’s not the real one. Dabb wrote an ending. It’s Chuck’s ending that pays off. 

#long post #1520 #1519 #musings #spn theories #jack is chuck theory #i know this post is redundant to others i've made #and like always when posting things like this i'm fearful i sound like a moron #but this is at least how it's working in my head #but seriously the first three episodes? *chefs kiss* #idek about network fuckery tbh anymore like yes ithink there's fuckery to the extent that dean winchester cannot tell a male presenting #character he loves him #and that maybe the CW mandated an afterlife because that seems to be a ~thing~ with their shows #but yeah anyway #i'll make a giant ass Cas thread some day #i have to finish the season first #but my theories aren't new they have been going around in the fandom for some time #so i claim no ownership tbh #i wish i could find the first ever post i saw on the jack is chuck thing post-finale #*yells at my messy tags*