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chirpsythismorning · 1 day

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Fun fact: In the original pitch for Stranger Things, El had a little brother.

After being rejected by almost 20 studios for the Montauk pilot, the Duffers were finally green-lit by Netflix. It was at this time that they began casting and then writing the first season officially, which included reworking a lot of that first episode.

This led to the removal of the brother reference, and with it, removing any sort of arc El could have had about her apparent brother.

But the thing about this moment, is that it might not have been scrapped entirely...

Going into the final season, no one can explain why or how El recognized Will back in 1x02. And while there are plenty of things on the show that are left unexplained, with a small portion likely left that way with the intention to uncover it later, what sets this moment apart from the rest is that there are very few possibilities here.

Because for starters, the story presents El's ability to see people in the void in s1 as requiring either a picture of that person for reference, or having met that person before.

But when El see's this picture of Will, she's never met him before. Or maybe she has, but we wouldn't know because they never showed us. They could have just not done this scene at all, given that it's clearly a copy/paste/edit of something scrapped from the pitch. Or they could have even still included it, but explained it.

One explanation could be that the lab had shown El a picture of Will before, similar to what they did with the Russian agent they wanted to spy on. But then that begs to question, why would the lab show El a picture of Will? Why would they want to see what he was doing? That alone is incriminating in and of itself, implying that Will is more connected to the lab than we realize.

The only other, and frankly most likely explanation, would be that El stumbled across Will at some point on her journey between escaping the lab and Will going missing. This is actually something that happens in The Other Side comic, which explores all the things Will may have experienced during his time in the Upside Down.

Though it’s worth noting the comics aren’t technically canon, and I highly doubt they would outright spoil everything in relation to Will’s time there, years before it was intended to be revealed. But still, let's humor this for a moment given that I do think Will's time in the UD is going to be very relevant in s5, which means it's highly likely they will finally address how exactly El saw him.

Basically, in the comic, Will see’s El walking through the woods, almost apparition like, glowing as she passes by, while also sporting the Benny’s burgers shirt. This means they would have crossed passed within a short span of time, between when El escaped Benny’s when the agents arrived, but before she was found by the boys.

Though it’s worth noting that we’re seeing this all from Will’s perspective. This means from the UD, Will was capable of seeing El on the other side, despite them being on different sides. And not only that, but she also looks back at him.

What confuses me about this, is that it doesn’t make sense for El to be in the woods, only to randomly decide to pop in to the void for a moment. She was trying to escape the lab and everything that came with it. I doubt she had any desire to lurk back there for some reason, not until someone encouraged her to. Not to mention, it would make no sense for her to go there and see Will if she wasn't even looking for him in the first place. And so this would mean Will and El could see each other, with Will being in the UD, and El being on the other side.

While it does seem pretty far off, given that you would think Will and El wouldn't be able to see each other from different sides, it is true in the story that El not only recognizes Will, but knows that he is in danger. She mentions that he is hiding specifically.

Which means she has likely seen him within the last 24 hours regardless.

This, in combination with Will being able to respond to El in the void at the end of the season in Castle Byers, when no one else outside of Terry and flayed-Billy have been able to, seems to imply that there is indeed something special about Will that makes him capable of communicating with El from the UD. Not only that, but El also seems to have an ability to be in this constant knowing state of how Will is doing, without even checking again to confirm. She's just certain of it. And she seems terrified about it.

Going forward, El never uses a picture of Will to find him. She never did. And more often than not, they don’t show us what she see’s either, not until the very end. And that’s the moment they reveal that he was able to communicate with her.

Again, there was really no reason to have El recognize Will. If anything it complicates things. But the fact that they chose to introduce this concept, with a scene from the original pitch that was related to El’s younger brother, with her pointing at his name cryptically, startling Benny, only to revamp it and have El not say anything at all while pointing at the picture of Will, startling Mike… It just really makes you stop and think.

Which brings me to the other aspect of this that might have people doubting, which is that El’s brother was originally younger than her.

We know Will is not younger than El, so how could this apply to him?

Well, it might be helpful to consider that in the original script, El was actually 10 years old, while the boys were always 12. Meaning that for some reason, they decided to age her up to the age of the boys, aka the same age as Will…

Ever since @erikiara80 shared this brother discovery with me, I have been sort of reeling. It then led to other little discoveries of changes they made between Montauk and Stranger Things.

It’s important to understand that the Montauk bible and the original script precedes what we ended up with in the final product, with it finally changing and evolving months, maybe even a year since that original vision. Even casting occurred before writing started for the first season. We know this because casting announcements were made in June and August of 2015, with writing not starting until August going into early 2016, simultaneously while they were filming.

And believe it or not, what I've discovered is that a lot of the changes they made between their original plans and what we see in the final product, have to do with not only Willel, but also Byler.

If you've read the original script for Montauk, you'll know that Mike's crush on Jennifer Hayes was focused on right from the jump, along with the birthmark on his face being focused on, which was the main cause of the bullying he experienced.

This has actually been talked about recently, and some of the claims people make do fit with what I am genuinely starting to consider here, which is that the initial plan for what makes Mike an outcast shifted.

I think when they completed casting, and started actually deep diving into what they wanted this world to look like, both from a short-term and long-term standpoint, they were presented with some pretty interesting discoveries, arguably already hiding in their initial plans without realizing it.

And this is where it sort of becomes a 'chicken or the egg' situation. Because which one came first? Byler or Willel?

I can't say for certain, because obviously this is all just speculation. But in the case that Willel came first, I think Byler would come very naturally after that.

The Duffers themselves are twins. Then they hire Noah, who is a twin. Then they're thinking and planning for El's past and how her family all fits into this, and they're thinking... wait a damn minute... We could totally Star Wars this bitch!

And then when they think it couldn't get any better, they uncover another layer that they hadn't planned or really considered in their initial plans.

While Will was always going to have sexual identity issues according to the Montauk bible, meaning that the writing process for him likely involved sitting down imagining scenarios that encapsulated this arc for Will from the beginning, they were simultaneously now finding very interesting aspects of Mike's character that made it hard not to at least consider the possiblity that Mike is not exactly straight.

Just think about it. The Byers and Wheelers are basically polar opposites on the spectrum of what a family looks like. While Will's discovery and acceptance of his queerness is interesting to explore because he comes from a low-income, single-mom household, all while having been bullied for years based on his perceived queerness, he also has a mother and brother constantly reinforcing that they will accept him no matter what. They've been sort of hitting us over the head with it for years, and so it wouldn't be very satisfying for his entire arc to merely lead up to something we've known all along. It's pretty much a given at this point.

On the other side of the spectrum, Mike comes from a more upper-middle class family at the end of a cul-de-sac, more aligned with what a nuclear family looks like. Mike's family is also presented as being more conservative, and while Karen does give that very queer-coded speech to Mike in s1 (I'm convinced they only wrote this after deciding to explore queer-coding more heavily with Mike), it also comes with comments from Ted and even still Karen that hint that they are probably not as open-minded and accepting as Will's family is to him. Which means Mike's arc would be a lot more about acceptance around him from his loved ones who we have been led to believe might not be as accepting of his queerness in contrast to Will.

And so as they're putting this story together, and they're being presented with something very interesting. Two similar experiences that play out in different ways because of the characters circumstances.

Will goes missing, and his twin sister with a buzzcut pops up and has the ability to help them find Will.

This leads to several moments where El is being compared to as not only a boy, but Will as well.

Now suddenly, their initial plans to have Mike's arc be about having a girl be interested in him and to hopefully have his first kiss and feel like less of a loser, starts to look a lot like what the experience a queer kid in his position might encounter growing up in the environment that he did.

And if you don't want to take my word for it, just hear the Duffer's themselves hinting at what they initially planned for Mike and the fact that it changed.

The changes don't stop there.

Believe it or not, 'It was a seven', did not exist in the initial pitch. When the boys went outside bickering over Nancy, they leave right after that.

Another thing that changed from the first script, was Scott Clarke's introduction:

And so you might be thinking, who cares? What does that have to do with anything?

Well, it's interesting because the line we end up with on the show is arguably one of the most on the nose Twelvegate proofs to date. Mind you, this is from the first episode:

Why chuck the original version, which was arguably more interesting and fascinating in terms of it hinting at the mysteriousness surrounding this story, only to replace it with him listing off tips about their upcoming test?

Well, I think it's the irony of it all. Here Mr. Clarke is practically telling us where to look to figure stuff out for ourselves what is going on, with all the kids filing out and ignoring him...

I relate to Scott a litttle too much in this shot here, any time I try to drop Willel evidence.

And the changes go on, as they obviously would.

Things like Terry Ives not even being El's mom, but actually a man who more so aligns with the characterization of Murray.

And one very interesting one I almost overlooked was in Hopper's introduction, where instead of a kids drawing done by who we assume to be Sarah, we actually see a picture on the wall of him and his wife and daughter... Interesting that they decided to switch it something that is a lot less definitive in presenting what Hopper's past looked like...

If you've made it this far, congratulations.

If you still think I'm out of my mind, just remember that El was going to have a brother in the original script, but they scrapped the scene and gave a near identical one to introduce her connection to Will instead 😘

#byler #stranger things #willel twins #twelvegate #montauk #as you can see #i am out of my mind #and i'm okay with that #i've spent the last couple months trying to make a video going over all the willel twin evidence #and i can't decide if it's even possible to do without going over an hour #like there is just so much shit that fits too perfectly into this family being ripped apart by mind control and time shenanigans #i hope to have it done soon #trying to make it less than 20 minutes #but it's probably going to end up being closer to an hour #especially with this stuff from the montauk pitch being added to the mix now #anyways #willel and byler are the curtain behind the curtain #if you are open to one of them #you are bound to stumble across the other #and they don't want that to happen #stay tuned for the inevitable twin imagery to continue in s5 related to willel leading up to the big reveal #bc it's arguably the most consistent thing about this damn show #and tbh this all just makes the queer-coding for mike in s1 a lot more concrete to me #them exploring will's queerness through his dad's expectations for him to do more 'manly' things like play baseball #and jonathan saying he shouldn't like things just bc people telll him he's supposed to #how they connect that narratively with the boys being at a baseball field when mike's being pressured about his supposed feelings for el #with the bullies showing up and literally being homophobic seconds later #the fact that jennifer hayes did in fact exist in the original pilot and was the girl mike had a crush on #only for them to scrap that and just make it about her having a crush on will...#never once introducing this idea of mike liking her...

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hazshit-hotel-hater · 2 days

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What gets me with Vel is that we see she has a good rapport with her coworkers/friends. She may sometimes roll her eyes at the other two and their antics and of course when her direct business gets interrupted she gets frustrated, but we mostly see her on good grounds with the rest of the Vees. They respect her when it comes to serious business and in that last scene of the season they all look to be very much on the same page and in it together, smiling about their future... yet fanon (if it isn't infantalizing her as you've pointed out) is constantly projecting "angry black woman" stereotypes onto her.

It's gross and in my opinion clearly racially motivated that they see her as nothing more than a "bitchy" woman of color. While the fanon I've seen also has separate gross issues with Vox and Val they are at least allowed some nuance on occasion, but I just don't ever see that with Vel, she's just an angry woman rendered to the background in their eyes stripped completely of her professionalism, intellect, and cunning. She's one of my faves and it sucks so bad to see.

Hi. :) I wrote 5 paragraphs in response to this question and Tumblr so graciously decided to delete fucking all of it. :)

The Hazbin Hotel fandom has a serious racism problem and not enough people are talking about it. Aside from the infantilization of Velvette, other BIPOC characters are put into stupid stereotypes or treated like children because either Vivzie can’t handle writing competently or the fandom doesn’t know how to behave themselves. This is especially apparent for the women, but—and this is probably the only time I will talk about him in this way—Valentino is also suffering from this shitass issue.

Firstly about Velvette, just like how this said, Velvette used to be treated like a child in canon (now fanon) and is being portrayed as only a sassy angry black woman by the fandom. This is disgusting! I don’t think I need to say that! For some reason (misogyny) the Hazbin fandom just has this thing where they take a POC person or a woman—usually both—and decide to treat them like a child. Best examples being Niffty and Velvette being portrayed as Angel & Husk’s and Vox & Valentino’s children. Niffty is 22 and Velvette is in her 30’s. And of course they are both POC. I know there’s going to be someone accusing me of just whining about racism or being like “not everything is about race” but shut the fuck up because I’m busy talking.

I think the best scene to depict Velvette’s character—even though she hardly has any scenes. It shows that she will and can respect her colleagues but for other people, you either need to give her something she wants or her respect needs to be earned. She literally sings a whole song about it.

For other characters like Niffty I have a post for her in the works so I won’t spill it all here, but I can’t in good faith talk about the racism problem without mentioning Valentino. The fact Vivzie has made her worst character into the basic tall hot hispanic/latino man with the hot spanish accent stereotype. Honestly this sort of stereotype doesn’t bother me much, there’s a few villain characters I like with it like Alejandro from TDI, but Vivzie making this a big aggressive and dangerous POC person abusing a sad little white guy just grosses me out. It’s not like the situation would be any better if Angel wasn’t white, but it really does just leave that extra sour taste in my mouth.

Also I don’t need to explain why 90% of the POC cast being fucking grey or purple or blue is bad right.

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waltwhitmansbeard · 2 days

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so i just read a post explaining why the op (and, according to the op, a lot of other people, even tho the post in question only had 32 notes, some of which were from people who disagreed with them) didn't like the cut to the crown keepers in last week's episode. while i'm totally on board with people not jibing with stuff that just doesn't work for them, i wanted offer some reasons why this seemingly hard pivot to people who are not the main characters of the story being told was a good decision to make (note good decision, not inherently the best decision, which i believe no one, including the dm, at a ttrpg table should ever be expected to make).

matt had an extremely powerful, extremely unexpected character decision dropped in his lap in the final moments of the previous episode. we don't know exactly how much time matt has between recordings, maybe a full week, maybe not, but either way, there's a very real chance that matt just did not have enough time to fully prepare a session to deal with fcg's death and what comes next.

sam now has to create a new character that a) is of a level with the rest of the party and b) makes narrative sense for him to be there. that takes time for both him and matt, and they might just need some space to work on that. when laudna died, marisha was willing to sit away from the table for several weeks because she knew that she wanted laudna to be resurrected, but sam may not want the same thing, and that's okay!

matt may want to fold the crown keepers into his main story, some or all of them—particularly dorian, whom both liam and the fans have been asking to return for a while now. dorian is clearly important to orym and the story that liam is trying to tell, and bringing the crown keepers in may be matt's way to do that.

matt—and dms generally—has always had to straddle a very fine line of making sure that his players are the main characters of their story who feel like their actions have real consequences and effects on the world, while also understanding that in reality, it doesn't make sense for half a dozen chucklefucks to have such an outsized effect on major cosmological goings-on like *checks notes* the potential release of a god-eater. this becomes especially true when you're on your third campaign set in the same world, and your players' previous ultra-powerful pcs are still around and definitely more adept and connected than their current pcs are. i, personally, think matt does a great job at walking that line, and one of the things he does that i appreciate is that he doesn't shy away from the fact that a) his players are powerful but not the most powerful and b) his players aren't the only one who care about what's going on in the world and who are taking actions to effect change. the current plotline re: ruidus is absolutely world-shaking and is causing all the divine girlies to cower in their demiplanes, so of course even the evil ones are going to be calling on their champions to help out. it makes more sense for opal to be involved (which, btw, matt has been hinting at for a while now) than not.

matt might need a fucking break! he's been doing this consistently for nine years now, and shit is complicated! handing over the reins to aabria for a week or two or three may be what he needs to not get burnt out.

dnd is an emotional game, and the entire cast might have been rocked hard by fcg's death. some space away for a week or two could help them process and regroup to get back into a story that is otherwise very stressful and action-packed.

or it's none of these! what do i know! i'm a random idiot on the internet! matt doesn't consult me on these matters! (though my dms are open if he wants to chat, i do have ideas)

i think it's tempting to think of the decisions made in and around critical role (or any ttrpg show) like those made for a television series, because the episodes are serialized and we love them so much. but this show is, first and foremost, a group of friends playing a game together, and not a carefully constructed narrative with the primary goal of entertaining an audience. the audience always has been and, frankly, always should be second to the wishes and fun of the people around that table. matt would not have asked aabria to step in and dm a crown keepers side arc if he didn't think it was a good decision for him and his players, and that priority is the correct one. we are being invited in to watch these friends have fun together, and that's a privilege that we're super lucky to have. as long as the cr story isn't doing things that are outright abusive or harmful to the cast or the audience, i don't think we should begrudge them the choices they make in the name of their own game.

again, it's okay if you're not vibing with the crown keepers! i didn't love the aeor arc of c2! not everything is for everyone! but i think accusing matt and the cast of narrative malfeasance is a bit much when, tbqh, they don't answer to us. they answer to each other.

#me #critical role #cr meta

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beatcroc · 1 year

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there's no way the bathroom at peppino's pizza is actually that big but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . hey ummm anyway.... i care them...... anyway there's a lil ramble on my take on fake pep's like psyche or whatever in tags on the og post if ur into that kinda thing :y

hey! it's a series! fake peppino world tour: [noise] [noisette] [peppino]<- u are here [gustavo] [gerome] [noisette again]

#ramble after realtags yeag. shoutout to serrangelic btw suggesting the silhouettes thing bc i would have Died otherwise #pizza tower #peppino spaghetti #fake peppino #gustavo and brick #arting #pizzaposting #so anyway i think fake peppino has like. a general awareness that he is supposed to Be Peppino and that he was Made to do that #and likewise he does generally try to...do that. the thing he does NOT realize is hes like really goddamn bad at it #not to be mean but like...c'mon. they are pretty distinctly different kinds of guys even beyond the physiology yknow.#he's neither on-brand nor fooling anyone dsjdsjjkgfsd. BUT!#since the rest of the cast generally likes him [at least as I play it] he thinks hes doing just fine #he's like 'oh they r happy with me so i must be getting a good grade in being peppino :)'#so getting told that 'yeah you actually really suck at that but that was never the reason people liked you'#and told that by og model peppino no less--yknow THE guy he's supposed to be living up to #who's already a bit intimidating for that and who ALSO totally wrecked him TWICE in the tower #making him acutely familiar with just how formidable the guy is and how much there IS to live up to....#it's a Moment for sure. not really a sad or hurt one though. just... contemplative.#thinking abt people liking him for being the guy he's already naturally been being even though that guy is Not Peppino #i don't think he's gonna be super broken up about realizing he has a bad grade in peppino given everything else hes got now #nor do i really think he cares enough to go like reinvent himself or whatever after the fact #he seems to b pretty clearly having fun with it already so i think he just keeps doing that #and in some cases he still has the pre-installed peppino traits/instincts like to cooka da pizza. and that's fine #is this projection. yes. but if youve been following me awhile you know most of my character writing is ghdhfdgf #gonna kinda expand on all this in the gerome one which is...one after next. itll be a bit but man.#anyway peppino will never admit to anyone and especially not himself that he's gotten a little attached to the guy. hee hoo #pep tends to be kinda surly but he certainly has his ways of showing he cares. all of which are on display here #''that thing is not my son'' says man currently watching thing's antics with the 'bemused dad' arms crossed pose. yeah ok buddy.#gus is totally onto him already but hes not gonna say anything.#if u read all this ur prize is not having to go decode fp's rot13. his lines are ''meant to be you...?'' and ''wrong question.''

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pedropascallme · 23 days

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5SD3RBr2it/?igsh=NmViYTZiaGZmaGUy in case you still haven't seen :D

Thank you!! I hadn’t seen the full thing this is wonderful <3 posting this so everybody else who might’ve missed it can see!

(Also leaving my personal opinions in the tags just to clarify where I stand because I’m so tired of everybody being weird about Damien specifically throughout this whole thing)

#hehe send me asks #smosh #damien haas #shourtney #smoshblr #I think that everybody blowing up at him is so…I mean #first of all unfair to him and to Shayne and Courtney who are clearly some of his closest friends #but also just. generally speaking super infantilizing and not necessarily aware that like #this is a grown man who not only has more to think about than his friends getting married #which he likely knew about way WAY before any of us did #obviously #but also he’s autistic and thus processes cues and reactions differently #and everybody is like WHA WHY DIDNT HE POST WHY ISNT HE BEING SUPPORTIVE #as if Damien isn’t generally pretty private about a lot of his personal life especially when it involves other people in the public eye #but especially since this is like #his best friend getting married to his other very close friend I feel like it would be obvious that this is something he would celebrate #privately and among the friends involved #anyway that’s my two sense please let him rest he’s like one of the busiest people in the cast and clearly loves his friends so much #**cents oops it’s late #and I don’t blame him for wanting to make this something special that he celebrates with them away from the #incredibly judgy #public eye

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ronon-dex · 21 days

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the ego on cm punk is fucking crazy. let alone the way he's comfortable poisoning the well of pro wrestling for other people. the epitome of pulling the ladder up behind you. what a pathetic joke of a person, jesus, every word out of his mouth is the sort of humblebragging lie unique to men who think they're god's gift to the planet. and the way he delights in talking about taking the ugly way out of ANY confrontation. smiling while saying "i choked someone a little bit". I wish him the worst. I hope drew mcintyre takes his other arm

#the way he talks about the aew wrestlers is disgusting #the tantrums he throws in front of cameras and on podcasts and pretending to be this super calm person who was pushed to the edge #like no wonder they never warmed to you you absolute joke of an athlete.#go back to shitting your pants on camera #honestly the more i learn about the wrestling business the angrier i get #the way you have 1% of these people who trample over everyone #while the rest are destroying their bodies and putting on incredible shows and not getting shit for it #aew #we can't just be happy we have 2 cakes yknow some douchebag has to go on a podcast and ruin it for everyone #going on wrestlemania week to shit all over aew while wearing this mantle of the poor wise elder who was cast out for being too clever #while singing the praises of wwe as being 'well-structured' when HE WAS THE ONE to ALSO quit THAT in 2014 #i wish i could block his face in real life

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abirdie · 3 months

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Gael García Bernal in Rosewater (2014, dir. Jon Stewart)

(these gifs also feature Claire Foy, Haluk Bilginer and Kim Bodnia)

#gael garcía bernal #rosewater 2014 #ggb filmography gifs #rosewater #gael garcia bernal #to begin with let's acknowledge this is weird casting #not just gael tbh but at least half the 'iranian' cast has no iranian heritage whatsoever #you kind of just have to go with it #but bodnia in particular is mesmerising #film itself is a mixed bag #someone needed to tell jon stewart that just because you CAN do [gimmicky thing] doesn't mean that you SHOULD #in particular there's a mindblowingly cringy sequence about ten minutes in that had me yelling at the screen #but on the other hand there are some beautiful pieces of filmmaking too #there's one ungiffed scene where bodnia rests his head against gael's and it's oddly intimate and almost tender in a fucked-up kind of way #cinematographer was mahmoud al massad #and director of photography bobby bukowski #and i'm going to assume they had something to do with that #anyway this is also really funny (in a good way) in places #which i had not been expecting #and there's a kind of 1001 nights thing going on in the later stages #with him trying to buy himself more time with increasingly fanciful stories

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ichorblossoms · 5 months

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having ttw Thoughts while reading house of leaves but it's nothing that's lead to a breakthrough yet so i'm just like soaking in the vibes

#ttw's been in limbo for the past few months. as it is wont to do really #there's a lot of nebulous connective tissue that's currently the middle of the story and it needs more direction but nothing has really bee #particularly exciting for my brain to gnaw on #also honeybee's been my brain's Focus for the past few months so it's not like i'm twiddling my thumbs with nothing to write #but yeah house of leaves and ttw it's like. okay the House super parallels what i want of the undertow as this like. nebulous structure #that's kind of alive on its own and doesn't adhere to any actual expectations of space #(the undertow is like. the semi-literal bowels of the city of sanguine)#and i knew that going in to the story that it was going to be similar so that's somethign that's sparking some things #but also the main character. one of the mains idk how to even articulate that. main narrator i think.#anyways he reminds me of leon as someone who doesn't have much going for him being super fucking susceptible prey of sorts for this...nebul #ous entitiy #not to mention my thoughts on the city of sanguine as like how a city is given life by its denizens. and that interpretation of the city-#affects how the undertow manifests for different people #and how it (sanguine) wants people to stay but will happily let you go if it knows you'll come right back to it #but if you want to Leave it'll happily trap you in endless corridors for ever and ever #and serena being the only one of the main cast who was born and raised in the city and therefore has such a deep connection to it before #yknow. realizing it's Alive in a way #vs the rest of the cast who have all moved to the city and don't see sanguine the same #vs leon too who has absolutely adopted this city as their home and what that means #oh that is a Tag Ramble hello #rambles #thicker than water

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punkcherries · 10 months

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sonic prime so cool ............

#cherryz txt #me shaking netflix WHERES the rest of it!!!!!!!!! (in due time. hopefully.)#i hate u streaming services and ur power to kill the things i love....................#sonic #sonic prime spoilers #<- in the following tags. be wary .#sonic and shadows interactions have been so delightful . i wish sega let shadow have friends and like Feelings #sonics writing overall has been very good . very people-focused trying to save everyone he can but just #very ahead of himself and how that lack of forethought causes so many of the conflicts for him #very inline for yknow . fastest hedgehog around.#REALLY enjoy seeing him look like a sad wet puppy when shit goes to fuck . boy just wants to go home!!!!!!!!!#i do wonder if something insane will happen if all the shatterversions of characters congregate #like . we didnt See thorn interact directly with rusty or black rose. just that the latter 2 saw her and were like Woah...................#also . i love u nine . baby son . he wanted to show sonic his lil grim home so bad and then sonic wasnt into his idea and im SADDD #HE HAD LIL PALM TREES!!!!!!!!! WAHH.............#the way nine talks about what might happen to him after the prism is in 1 piece in ghost hill makes me wonder also #the shatterspaces are implied to essentially be the product of original green hill being torn to bits .#so one would assume thats true for the characters in them yea? so does nine think he might get 'absorbed' into og tails?#theres always been a vibe to me that all the shatterversions of the cast are essentially like . distinct aspects of their whole characters #in some way anyhow . like a pirate for knuckles makes sense as a kind of manifestation of his focus on like #defending the master emerald . in a world Without the master emerald hes essentially crazy for any replacement he can get?#so its interesting to think that nine could in a similar vein be like tails' resentment of being Just a wingman #and the frustration of being picked on as a babby . and how that might tie into a feeling of like #'i would be nothing without sonic' bcus sonic was the one to stand up for him back then right?#INTERESTING. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! idk if any of tihs holds any water im just brain vomitting at this point but WAHHH #obviously all the shatterversions are and wish to be seen as their own individual people but like. NARRATIVELY speaking #u know?????? u understand. ive decided this for u the person reading this You Understand.

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motto-chanto-itte · 4 months

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OH i just realised its been about a year since i got into danganronpa? december last year was when i started drthh. so i spent about 7 months on drthh + sdr2 + 2 ½ chapters of drv3 and here i am continuing five whole months later 🥲

(danganronpa spoilers in tags)

#and the leaf falleth down the tree #frankly i think im fine stopping now. enough heartbreak please #<- is playing a killing game. i have no idea what i want #i mean like. ive already seen #kaede #ryoma #kirumi #tenko #angie #die #first one broke my heart because of how it hurt a blorbo. i loved second and third why'd they have to go so early #i also liked fourth and fifth #whys this cast gotta be so likeable GODDAMN it #either way i know the rest is going to be heartbreaking #i already know that #kaito #dies <//3 #good thing is idk if it was an execution or a murder. knowing him i think he got murdered #WAIT FRICK THE ENDING OF THE THIRD CHAPTER #he prolly realised he needs to get out of there cuz he has some chronic illness and murdered #oh noooo #oh well anyway #i know that um.#kokichi #is a shithead. i think. i mean there's gotta be a reason why his fans have a bad reputation. he did bad things. of course he did #either way i don't want to see him die lmao #but also i'm so annoyingly against spoilers #BUT i just NEED to look at art of my boys #very annoying dilemma (<- not even a dilemma because i'll never voluntarily look at a spoiler even if it kills me)#anyway that's the only reason im continuing this horrible game WAIT WTF DO U MEAN TAG LIMIT UH if u read til here ur crazy n i appreciate u

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hamable · 7 months

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AAH OK IM FINISHING ASTROM CLUB THIS WEEK IM MAKING FINAL TOUCH UPS

#Astrom club #personal #musical #astrom club musical #*instrumental soundtrack. full cast soundtrack was too hard to manage long term but maybe I’ll finish it one day #but yeah I’m super excited about the instrumental soundtrack #one hurdle is that earlier stuff is in GarageBand and the rest is in logic and so going back and making sure the earlier songs match the #level of quality of the others has been a real sticking point #but I also gotta accept that some songs are lighter and simpler than others #like the little quirky reprise isn’t gonna be as full as the fucking 7 minute Ordeal this is Rally #I’m so happy I finish Rally btw it took fucking FOREVER #There was a time when I was like no WAY am I gonna make this happen and then I DID #lotta long nights on that one #my one concern is actually Welcome to Maple Ridge #something about it kinda irks me and I worry about it being first on the album and turning ppl away from the rest #plus I also released the full version idk maybe I can get away with putting it at the end?#anyways yeah pinkie pinkie promise Astrom club coming soon

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itspileofgoodthings · 2 years

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I both like Marianne for her refusal to go along with the dictates of society and convention merely for the sake of appearance and ALSO I want to shake her by the shoulders for it because this outlook leads Marianne to practice rudeness that she never considers herself responsible for checking in any way, as if other people’s silliness vulgarity or vices absolve HER of treating them well.

Conversely, I love Elinor for her refusal to let her feelings get the better of her good manners and propriety and it’s especially iconic when wielded against Lucy Steele and sympathetic and understandable when she uses it to protect herself from her extravagantly emotional (and unhelpful) sister and mother. But also I kind of want to shake HER by the shoulders for the way in which she practices this restraint all the time even in the house of her own mind. Or—maybe that’s not exactly what bothers me because she does need to be able to cope! But there’s a sense in which on some level this is about her winning a battle against her own feelings and it’s like—but what if it wasn’t a battle all the time Elinor.

#and you know what’s interesting #neither girl ever really changes #the consequences of their respective worldviews play out really truthfully and both girls have to live THROUGH that #but neither really changes. and the men they end up with reinforce their natural tendencies/don’t require them to change #Marianne continues on her course of emotional excess until she breaks against the rock of willoughby’s caddishness #and then in a kind of exhaustion and defeat lets Colonel Brandon take care of her for the rest of her life #but she kind of never really grows out of that first worldview even though she ‘loves to contradict her favorite maxim by her own choices’#And Elinor HAS her moment where her feelings burst out of her towards Marianne but then marries Edward #who you may be sure is never going to break down any of her emotional walls when she wants to have them up #And I don’t think this makes the book a failure in any way nor do I think Austen doesn’t know what she’s doing #I also don’t think she tells the story cruelly or judgmentally #But I do think that it isn’t an accident that the romances in here are not at all like the other romances #where personal change and growth is so tied to romance #the people who could help Elinor and Marianne really actually grow are each OTHER #and in a way they do and in a way they don’t! neither girl really wants to change #and I don’t think that makes it inherently a tragedy. Because I think the book is simply about telling the truth #about the way some people live and live with their choices #and what we do with that is up to us #anyway Emma Thompson kind of got around that with her casting choices and framing #she gives Edward more perception and sensitivity than he actually has sometimes #And Alan Rickman is insanely powerful obviously #But the happy ending is more inherently romantic and uplifting in the movie than in the book I think #(Though I’m excited to finish my rereading and have this confirmed)#anyway some thoughts #*lives to contradict her favorite maxim not loves #Marianne doesn’t actually love it!!!!

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holdharmonysacred · 2 years

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I woke up from a nap and want to swing at a hornet’s nest again, so I’m gonna give a hot take on villain redemption arc discourse:

A villainous character earning a redemption arc does not mean “Has this character become Morally Good enough to earn a slot on the good guys team?”, it means “Has the character’s writing earned this particular type of conclusion as the conclusion to this character’s arc, and can said writing sell the audience on it being the best narrative path for this character’s story to take? Or is the writing for this character such that giving the character a redemption arc without some serious groundwork leading up to it would at best give the audience intense narrative whiplash?”

Because a lot of villain redemption arc discourse - when it’s not dealing with the actual bad implications of the impulse of “Everyone who has ever been victimized by this character must magically forgive them, no one is allowed to have beef with this character who hurt them” that comes with a lot of redemption arcs - really just boils down to the redemption arc sucking ass because it’s being handed out to x characters when the writing around said characters has done nothing to really earn said payoff. You have to actually build up to the heel-face turn before you can say “This character is good now!”, the same way you have to have build up for any character arc’s conclusion. This is why it’s so common to have villains the writers want to redeem openly doubt their cause or get smacked in the face with The Consequences Of Their Actions - a villain with moral qualms about what they’re fighting for is more likely to leave and join the good guys, and a character Facing the Consequences Of Their Actions is more likely to go down the path of personal change that’s essential to any good redemption arc.

This is also why so many people get frustrated with redemption arcs getting handed out to fantasy tyrants. A fantasy tyrant’s crimes are typically massive and far-reaching and affect the whole cast, and tyrants in general just aren’t the type of people who would naturally come to a conclusion of “You’re right, we should stop being evil!”. Something big usually has to happen on the level of the universe itself punishing said tyrant for their sins - whether it be them getting violently deposed and thrown out of their Fantasy Tyrant position, or them facing immense personal tragedy as consequence of being a Fantasy Tyrant - so that the writing has an actual catalyst for the personal change required for the redemption arc in the first place. Situations like these is also where the impulse to say “Everyone must magically forgive this character because they are Good now!!!!” tends to get really ugly, since now it’s basically forcing the entire cast of a work to shut up about their grievances and let the Fantasy Tyrant do whatever they please, and that’s just shitawful writing.

To put it all a simpler way - if you’re writing a character who is a cartoonishly vile villain who’s constantly cackling while kicking puppies and is overall Evil And Lovin’ It, you’re going to need the run time of basically the entire series in order to get that villain to an ending of “They’re a sweet person on the side of good who runs a wholesome well-intentioned orphanage”, because that is a massive change in characterization that’s going to be extremely goddamn hard to sell to your audience unless you put in the legwork to make your writing earn that outcome. And depending on the villain, you really might just be better off writing the more natural outcome of “And then they were a horrible rat bastard to the end” rather than trying to force a redemption arc you’re in no way equipped to write.

#this is also why a lot of villain redemption arcs cheat and have the villain in question be Not Really Evil in the first place #it's easier to redeem an Evil Overlord who's an Evil Overlord in name only and is just an awkward nice guy in spikes #VS trying to redeem an Evil Overlord who is like. 100% unironically an evil overlord out to conquer and burn the land #the former's writing is such that 'this person joins the good guys' is a natural outcome of their character #the latter's writing is such that you would have to be a literal GOD at writing to pull it off #and when you're bound by limits like 'episode runtime' and 'a set amount of seasons' there's no way you can do that #edited to fix a horrible typo i made! i wrote 'no one is allowed to have beef with the character who forgave them'#that's supposed to be 'character who hurt them'! oops!#the problem there is not 'the redeemed character cannot have beefs with the cast because they were Forgiven'#it's 'the rest of the cast cannot have beef with the redeemed character because they're Redeemed and must therefore be Forgiven'#the character who got the redemption arc prrrrrrrrrrobably shouldn't be pissed off at the people they hurt once they've gotten that arc #(unless you're trying to make a point of the character falling back into old ways because Getting Better Is Hard)#the rest of the cast however DOES have every right to still be pissed with the character who got redeemed #because redemption and Becoming Good is only one step in the process of Fixing The Problem #and some potential narrative problems (like the old classic 'you killed my father!!!') CANNOT be fixed with redemption #if the big bad evil knight who killed the hero's father gets a redemption arc that still doesn't bring the dead dad back #and hero guy has every right to be still mad at now-redeemed evil knight for their dad's death

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