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ironmandeficiency · 10 months

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pippin: i have a confession. i’m terrified of the backstreet boys

merry: tell me why

pippin: *screams*

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elvish-sky · 2 years

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Legolas : I learned some very valuable lessons from this.

Aragorn: I’m guessing they are all horrible distortions on the lessons you actually should’ve taken away.

Legolas: Death isn’t real, and I’m basically God.

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vildo · 1 year

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Gimli Gimli Gimli a man after midnight

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incorrect-lotr-trash · 3 years

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Frodo: I’m glad Aragorn feels safe enough to sleep around us. He looks peaceful.

Legolas, uncapping a black marker: and vulnerable.

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tatersgonnatate · 2 years

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The age of man is over. The time of the Orc has come!!!

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gossip-girl-of-middleearth · 3 years

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Gandalf: *secretly collecting all the balrog XP to level up*

Boromir: *dies*

Frodo & Sam: *sharing in a coming of age buddy film plot*

Merry & Pippin: *kidnapped by orcs*

Legolas, Aragorn & Gimli: let’s go hunt some orcs :)

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gardenergamgee · 2 years

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Amazon dropping a new Rings of Power trailer with edited clips of Elrond after reading all of our angry comments

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heartofstanding · 2 years

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#5

Often, we talk about women in history as if they’re divided into two camps: well-behaved women and the “bad girls”.

The “well-behaved women” lived within the roles accorded to them by their society and whose lives are poorly evidenced. Thus they have become forgotten, overlooked or dismissed as a mass of unexceptional women who were too much like well, women (too frivolous, stupid, family-orientated, unambitious) to save themselves. They’re the conventional queens, the women who died young or lived in a way that made little distinguishing mark on history, the women who represent the ordinary woman.

The “bad girls (who did it better)” are celebrated as the great heroines of history. You know their names, you love and admire them even if you don’t much about them. Think Hatshepsut, Cleopatra, Boudica, Joan of Arc, Elizabeth I, Eleanor of Aquitaine... they’re exceptional, they stepped outside the boundaries laid down for women and are today celebrated for it.

But this sort of dichotomy does sort of miss out on talking about other women in history. The women who risked it all for love but didn’t seek power. Older women who wielded power or rebelled but are footnotes in history. Communities of women like the beguines. Women who were exceptional in ways that don’t tend to be recognised.

And there’s the “bad women”. Women who are too famous to be ignored but who don’t easily fit into the model of “historical heroine”. They didn’t win and when they lost, their defeat was celebrated. They have too much baggage, their reputations are too tarnished. They’re not wifely or maternal or romantic - they’re just too unwomanly to fit within the narratives we’re comfortable with. Or at least, that’s the dominant image of their lives, it may or may not be true. Attempts to remove the weight of centuries of misogyny, propaganda and more from their backs have failed to penetrate. They’re women like Margaret of Anjou, Isabeau of Bavaria, Eleanor Cobham. Their lives were marked by narratives designed to denigrate them or make them the face of feminine vice or the author of all the ills in their world. And the world still clings to those narratives, the world still believes them to be true.

88 notes • Posted 2021-08-24 20:34:37 GMT

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the histories + texts from last night, 7/?

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#3

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OK, so historical accuracy. Extremely important in historical fiction, right? Sometimes, yeah. It’s something that I like to strive for in my own writing and enjoy in others. But it’s a flawed concept to hold up as a “gold standard”.

behold, my rant

1) what is historical accuracy? Our idea of the past is changing all the time, fuelled by new discoveries, new perspectives, new readings of material. I’ve seen novels dinged for being inaccurate (and done this myself!) when they were written before the stuff that made them inaccurate was discovered.

2) whose historical accuracy is it anyway? Most people have some idea of an historical era and it’s rarely something that matches with what people who actually have read or studied about that era extensively would agree with. What about the popular myths about particular people and eras that aren’t true but people believe them to be true? What about the different sides of a debate in a historical era? A Ricardian has very different views about historical accuracy in fiction about the Wars of the Roses than a non-Ricardian and both sides believe that they have the historically accurate version.

3) whose voices are determining historical accuracy? History is written by the victors, yes - it’s also largely written by an educated white male elite who are writing not necessarily to be an objective record of the time but to impart their own ideas of the world. Marginalised lives are rarely present and when they are, they’re usually held up as curiosities and moral lessons, and denied their own documentary expression.

4) what about absent voices? absent figures? Should we just continue to present an image of the past where queer people don’t exist? POC? Where women are largely silent and removed from the political stage? Why are we replicating the biases of the past? In the absence of evidence, do we turn to modern day statistics to reflect back on the past. I’ve had people tell me that 90% of the modern UK population identify as straight, therefore it’s most likely that any figure in history was straight unless we have evidence pointing in a different direction. There are massive flaws in that argument but it is functionally meaningless as a determination of the “truth”.

5) there is no universal standard of historical accuracy. I’ve seen people saying something is inaccurate when what they really mean is “I don’t agree with the author’s interpretation of evidence” or they don’t know about new evidence or theories. I’ve seen people go “there’s no historical evidence that X happened, therefore it didn’t happen” even if it is a plausible conclusion to draw from the evidence we have. I’ve seen people say that a particular piece of evidence shouldn’t be “stressed” because it's in disagreement with popular (and unevidenced) interpretations of relationships and figures.

6) what about the limitations of evidence and form? someone writing a novel about Alice Perrers either has to go “welp, these chroniclers are all hostile to her and are writing about her in blatantly obvious misogynistic terms but there is no other evidence about her personality so I’m stuck with copying their ideas” or write contrary to the evidence because these accounts are universally hostile. Movies and plays are often critiqued for compressing events etc. when they need to in order to to watchable or stageable. Writing something from one POV means you miss the other POVs but moving POVs might mean that the focus on the story has significantly changed.

7) what if authors just want to have fun? They read a theory and they don’t think it’s true but it’ll make a good story. Peter Carey's The True History of the Kelly Gang isn’t actually true or even “historically accurate” (and I’m sure he knows it) but it is a good story and that’s why he wrote it

131 notes • Posted 2021-10-06 02:52:14 GMT

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I wish people would stop confusing:

fandom and fanfic with history and historical fiction.

pop history and historical fiction with actual history

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nocompromise-noregrets · 3 years

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Thank you for mentioning my Trusty Lads as Favorite Orcs! :) <3 <3 My Hobbit/LOTR asks for you: 29, 31, 35. <3

Well, they are! You made me love them to distraction :D <3333

Yay thank you! Oooh, these are going to take some thought!

29. What is your favourite quote from either the movies or the books? I have to confess that the movies and the books are all smooshed together in my head and I’m actually more familiar with the movies, and aaa I have a zillion favourite bits, but here, have two: Then let us be rid of it... once and for all! Come on, Mr. Frodo. I can't carry it for you... but I can carry you! (never fails to make me wail like a child). And, and, AND, because it’s the prophecy on which Very Important Things hinge, and doesn’t get a mention at all in the films beyond a very oblique and inaccurate reference by the Witch-King, Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall. Oh Glorfindel, how I love you. <33333

31. Least favourite part about the franchise? I...don’t think I have one? I have literally no criticisms about how the film adaptations worked - I think they took things that were very difficult to film and did the best job that could be done, and with regard to The Hobbit, they took a fairly thin story and brought all sorts of the Professor’s other writings into it and made it a story on a par with LotR - and I’m sure I read recently that the Professor himself was planning to rewrite The Hobbit in a more LotR-like manner, so I think they did a very worthy job.

Oh. Oh, wait. WAIT. I FORGOT. They LEFT OUT THE TWINS AND GLORFINDEL. That. That right there is my least favourite part. XDDDD

35. Why do you think you were so drawn to the franchise? I honestly don’t know, at this far remove. I was working with someone who was absolutely obsessed with Fellowship, not long after it came out, and though I’d seen it at the cinema I hadn’t been immediately sucked in - but working with her really got me properly into it all, and by the time Two Towers came out, I was HOOKED. We went to conventions and met actors and all sorts of things, and I had a marvellous time - and parallel to that, I got into the online fandom and the world of fanfic and developed about a million headcanons with a friend (hey @myfairprouvaire <3333333 ), most of which we never wrote up XD and there’s just something about the world of Middle-Earth and its inhabitants that just speaks to me. I dropped out of the fandom in about 2004, mostly because it went a bit quiet and I got distracted by the King Arthur movie, and then I sort of pinged around a few other fandoms and (with the exception of the KA fandom and one other) never really felt at home anywhere. Until the remote cast reunion video in June this year catapulted me back and it felt like coming home. 300k words of fanfic later (in my 15-odd years away I gained long-form writing skills, evidently XD ), I feel like it’s the best decision I’ve made in years. I’m happier than I’ve been in almost longer than I can remember, I’m making awesome new friends <333333 and generally having a marvellous time. So...I don’t quite know why, but I’m HOME. <3333333

Any more for any more? Questions are here, and as you’ve probably all gathered by now, I bloody love to talk about this stuff. XDDDD

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ironmandeficiency · 1 year

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legolas: the moon controls the tides and the human psyche. wolves know that, that's why they howl at her. it's a tribute

therapist: let’s talk about your father

legolas: no

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elvish-sky · 2 years

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Fili: Is stabbing someone immoral?

Kili: Not if they consent to it.

Thorin: Depends who you’re stabbing.

Bilbo: YES?!?

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vildo · 1 year

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Boromir: we're so lucky Legolas isn't one of them elves that sings nonstop

Aragorn: dude you toot your own horn

Boromir: DO NOT give him any ideas

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incorrect-lotr-trash · 3 years

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Bilbo: Why do good people die young? Sam: Well, when you’re in a garden, what flowers do you pick? Bilbo: The ugly ones Sam: Exac- wait, what? Bilbo: Ugly bitches don’t belong in my garden

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black-cat-aoife · 4 years

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author, epeolatry, princeps and book-bosomed :D

Author: What is a book you really regret buying?

Here’s the thing. I don’t only buy books. I also occasionally get review-copies. So if I interpret the question as Which book do you regret acquiring? the answer that springs to mind is Jane Yolen - The Last Tsar’s Dragon. I was promised alt-history with dragons. I got Rasputin who had two moods: horny and antisemitic, a historical inaccurate Romanov family with the moods generally evil and antisemitic evil and Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin raising dragon eggs. My life would be much happier if I did not know about the existence of this book.

For actually-bought regret: The last one is Laura Purcell - The Corset. I admit I mainly bought it because the blurb made it sound vaguely lesbian. It wasn’t and I wouldn’t have minded if it had still been a good book but it was some nonsensical attempt at a gothic novel with one character who had to go to some ultra-Dickensian orphan misery and had no character traits besides ‘is suffering’ and one character who was the embodiment of rich white girl problems. It wasn’t even entertainingly bad, just frustratingly bad.

Epeolatry: What is your favorite book quote?

I don’t think I have one single favourite quote. I mean I read HP and LotR at an impressionable age so I have a fondness for Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? and It is our choices, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. Probably also because I have lots of very pretty graphics with them XDA more recent one from Spinning Silver: And more to the point, I was reasonably certain he wasn’t going to try and devour my soul. My expectations for a husband had lowered.

Princeps: Popular author you don’t like?

Is it cheating if I say Dan Brown? I guess it would make more sense if picked someone from a genre I usual read but I can’t think of any. I didn’t particularly enjoy Gideon the Ninth but I would still give the author another chance if she wrote something in a different universe. It was more a case of ‘I’m not into these aesthetics’ than ‘this was bad’

Book-bosomed: what is a book you feel everyone should read?

Now I don’t think there is a single book that will turn everyone who reads it into a better person so for Books I immensely enjoyed (one for each of my favourite genres):

Curtis Craddoc: An Alchemy of Masques and Mirrors because hopepunk fantasy musketeers

Jefferson Farejeon: A Mystery in White because bonkers pulpy murder mystery. Trains! Strangers stuck together (or are they strangers?)! Snowstorms that make contact to the outside impossible! I am sure nothing bad will happen.

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gossip-girl-of-middleearth · 3 years

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How I imagine an argument between Legolas and Frodo would go regarding Sindarin pronunciation:

Legolas to Aragorn, rolling his r’s: Arrragorrrn, can you please fetch morrre firrrewood?

Frodo, with his book knowledge on Sindarin: why are you speaking like that?

Legolas:

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elrondsscribe · 6 years

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Elves, Theology, and Me, a baby Bible student.

Okay. Well. Theology, Christian-talk, Bible talk, and Tolkien’s elves all have their part in this post. Religious freak alert and boring alert.

Also, some rather personal faith issues I’ve been thinking through a lot lately. Bible bashers and Bible thumpers equally beware.

Still here? Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

What most people don’t remember about Christianity is that it is 1) a hugely diverse and varied tradition and 2) a very old tradition. I don’t know of too many faiths still kicking around in the world today that are as old and as diverse as Christianity, other than Judaism (older) and Islam (a bit younger). So when I talk about having grown up Christian, I may not be or ever have been the kind that you immediately picture when you hear the word - or then again, I might have.

When I say I grew up Christian, what I specifically mean is that I grew up in a Protestant, evangelical, fundamentalist-ish faith community. The way we talked about the gospel is a bit like a sales proposal, probably because nearly all of my pastors’ six brothers were salesmen. Problem: We’re all sinners, including you, and we all deserve eternal torment in hell for our sin. Also, God is perfect and can’t tolerate sin. (Therefore, God can’t go tolerating you in your sin.) Solution: Jesus took (y)our punishment and God’s wrath, so we (you) have a way out of eternal torment. Call to Action: Now choose Jesus, turn to God, verbally admit and renounce your sin, and when you die you’ll get to go to Heaven, not Hell.

{And oh yeah, in the meantime, while you’re still alive and waiting to go to Heaven, make sure you’re Livin’ Right. No drinking, no smoking, no nightclubs, no miniskirts, and for the love of God, no sex outside of (heterosexual, one-to-one, legally and church-ly sanctioned) marriage. Also give your tithes.}

Thing is, I’m also a Tolkien fan. Seriousness level 4-4.5 out of 5. I can’t speak any Elvish languages, and I can’t quote chapters from Unfinished Tales or a volume of the History of Middle-Earth from memory, but I’m fairly familiar with Tolkien’s Arda-related writings outside of just the Hobbit and LOTR. And when I was thinking about how to put together my combined Tolkien and (eventually) MCU universe to write fanfiction in, the insertion of the gospel as I’d always understood it felt very specieist: only a small selection of a certain species, Men, out of all of Tolkien’s peoples were actually Iluvatar’s children and set to experience eternal bliss . . . and the rest were all eventually going to burn?

Yikes. I didn’t want to create a fictional universe like that. (The fact that, minus the Elves and Hobbits and Dwarves, I was actually living in a world like that wasn’t lost on me - I just didn’t have the liberty to explore that.)

Also, Tolkien’s whole world just has such a very pre-Christian feel (it was created to be a mythology, what can I say), and I wasn’t sure how I felt about forcing (modern) post-Christian assumptions on a pre-Christian framework.

(I know it’s a weird sort of thing to do, applying theology to a fictional universe you’re borrowing to write crossover fanfiction in, but hey, welcome to my world. I warned you it’d be weird.)

My first year of college - Christian college - really took me for a ride. You see, in Christian college, you’re asked to take a minimum of two courses in which - get ready for it - you read the Bible in an academic setting (shock! horror! Whoever would have guessed!). And when that happens, you find yourself confronted with the uncomfortable fact that 1) the Bible doesn’t really read like the inerrant textbook/rulebook that it’s often assumed to be, and 2) we as modern readers have the tendency to bring a lot of assumptions to the text and read in a lot of shit that ain’t actually on the page.

After a number of shocks on some issues that I won’t go into now, I got home for the summer and started to fall into the Kindle Sample sinkhole (similar to the YouTube sinkhole). I started peeking into books on theology and ethics that showed me that, at the very least, I wasn’t alone in my new, murkier, less solid and more mysterious mode of Christianity. And what should I happen to fall into but Christian Universalism (Rob Bell’s Love Wins made universalist doctrine popular; the church history he give in it is inaccurate, but it’s still worth a go if you want an easy read to introduce you to the topic). Universalism, or All-Encompassing Divine Love, seemed to mesh much more naturally with a world wherein pre-Christian sensibilities carried the day.

Universalists don’t tend to talk about a transcendent God who is “high above the heavens,” but about a God whose glory they see reflected in the people around them, whom they enjoy in nature’s beauty, and whom they mimic in being creative and productive. It all feels very right in a Tolkienesque world (and really any fictional universe that prizes life and love in the end, MCU included).

More so than “turn or burn” and “heaven/hell after you die” anyway.

Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that my changing theology, and my newfound passion for biblical studies, are directly affecting both my ‘real-world’ sensibilities and my fanfic writing. And the way I interact with Tolkien’s universe in general.

Not that I think for a second that Tolkien was a universalist - heavens no! He just created a mythological world in which Divine Love really fits.

“All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.” - Saint Julian of Norwich, approx. 14th century.

. . . well, I told you this would be weird.

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