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Abridged Archie Sonic Reading List

For anyone interested in reading preboot archie sonic without Reading preboot archie sonic. i understand its ok.

Important but boring/bad issues are summarized in small text. If I’m missing any information/anything is incorrect please let me know!

NOTE: This list is my own opinion of what is interesting or important. I try to be objective, but nobody’s perfect. The purpose of this list is not to cut out all unsavory content; I do it where I can, but some unpleasant events are too important to summarize or take up like two panels in the middle of a good issue. It’s an old comic and sometimes things are handled poorly, so be aware of that as well; even Flynn’s run isn’t devoid of criticism. Inevitably, there will be characters and events referenced that you don’t know about if you don’t read the entire comic, but hopefully this should cover your bases well enough to enjoy the comic anyways.

KNUCKLES LORE EXPOSITION SPEEDRUN: Echidnas were the most developed society on Mobius. Their population was generally split into two groups; the citizens of Echidnaopolis on Angel Island, and those in Albion, near Mercia. Knuckles is under the impression that he is the last echidna; his father, Locke, isolated him from the rest of the population and trained him in the ways of the Guardian before “Answering the calling of [their] forebears!” and disappearing into a wall of energy in the Forbidden Zone, leading Knuckles to believe he had died.

Angel Island was raised into the air using the power of the Chaos Emeralds (and with the quiet help of the fire ants) in order to protect its inhabitants from an incoming comet. Centuries later, 400 years before the story takes place, two scientist brothers, named Dimitri and Edmund, built a Chaos Siphon that would absorb the power of the emeralds and return the island to Mobius.

However, after being rejected by the council, Dimitri attempted to use the siphon anyways, but it backfired, causing HIM to absorb the chaos energy and transforming him into Enerjak, a chaos demigod with the power to do anything the wielder can imagine.

After his defeat and (apparent) death, the echidnas swore off all technology, and Edmund appointed himself guardian of the last remaining emerald, starting the line of guardians that Knuckles is a part of, known as the Brotherhood of Haven. Dimitri’s son founded the Dark Legion, which opposed Echidnaopolis’s rejection of technology. Dimitri continued to lead the Dark Legion with heavy cybernetics, eventually being reduced to just a head.

Due to impending war with the Dingoes, Echnidaopolis was transported to its own pocket dimension, and the Dingoes to another. However, when both cities were suddenly brought back into the Prime Zone, they overlapped, causing the conflict to resurface. This return to the Prime Zone is how Knuckles learns he is not the last Echidna.

Colonists from Albion living in Downunda used Tasmanian Devils as test subjects in horrific experiments to create Tasmanian Devil dogs. The scientists responsible were arrested and imprisoned, but the Tasmanian Devil population never recovered.

Dr. Finitivus is a villainous mad scientist from Albion.

Julie-su is Knuckles’ fated soulmate (Echidnas have fated soulmates through a process called Soultouch). She is an orphan who was raised in the Dark Legion, but left to join Knuckles and the Chaotix.

Archimedes is a fire ant and a friend and mentor of Locke, who now fills that same role with Knuckles.

Sonic #001

Sonic #003: Rabbot-Deployment

Sonic #011: The Good, The Bad, and The Hedgehog

Sonic #013: This Island Hedgehog

Sonic #017: First Star I See Tonight

Sonic #018: In the Still of the Night

Sonic The Hedgehog In Your Face! Special: The Quest and Quest’s End

Sonic #020: Deadliest of the Species

Princess Sally Miniseries – Geoffrey joins Sally and her small team of new Freedom Fighters on a mission, acting as a double agent in order to stop Robotnik from replacing Sally with a robot replica.

Sonic #024-025

Sonic #028-029: Growing Pains and Tails Miniseries #1-3 – Frustrated at being underestimated and patronized by the older Freedom Fighters, Tails takes the Sea Fox out for a spin to prove his worth. He comes across Fiona the Fox and falls in love with her, but it turns out she’s a robotic replica of younger Fiona created by Robotnik in order to trick Tails. He narrowly escapes. Heartbroken and upset that he was duped on his first solo mission, he continues alone, coming across the Downunda Freedom Fighters. In the Downunda crater, he is introduced to the Ancient Walkers by Knuckles’ great-grandfather, Athair. The Ancient Walkers speak through Tails about the history of the Chaos Emeralds and of a “Chosen One” who will gather the emeralds and begin an era of great harmony. Tails misses his friends in Knothole and realizes that their overbearingness was just them trying to protect him, so the Forty Fathoms Freedom Fighters help him fix the Sea Fox and he returns to Knothole.

Sonic #030

Sonic #031: Tundra Road Pt 1

Sonic #032: Blast from the Past – Uncle Chuck restores the consciousness of Sonic’s roboticized dog, Muttski. The Freedom Fighters free an ancient Mobian (like the mobian equivalent of a neanderthal), dubbed Mobie, from ice.

Sonic #032: Tundra Road Pt 2

Sonic #034: To ‘Bot or Not To ‘Bot! – Uncle Chuck is now pretending to be mind controlled by Robotnik so he can act as a spy.

Sonic #036: Heart of Darkness

Sonic #037: Bunnie’s Worst Nightmare

Sonic #037: The Day Robotropolis Fell – After Robotnik leaves Robotropolis to escape an earthquake, Chuck, Sally, Nicole, and Sonic sneak in to deroboticize as many robians as they can. Chuck remains a robot so he can continue serving as a spy.

Sonic #040

Sonic #041

Sonic Quest #1: Death Egg Saga: Scrambled Pt 1

Sonic Quest #1-3 – Robotnik reveals his Death Egg, a ship built to roboticize all of Mobius in one go, as well as attempt to sink Angel Island and steal its Chaos Emeralds. Sonic and Tails fight the newly revealed Silver Sonic. They successfully destroy both Silver Sonic and the Death Egg, though Robotnik escapes. They retrieve several Power Rings for King Acorn.

Sonic #042: In Every Kingdom There Must Exist a Little Chaos Pt 3

Sonic #043

Sonic #046: Countdown to Armageddon

Sonic vs Knuckles Battle Royale – Knuckles delivers the Sword of Acorns to Sally, but their meeting is intercepted by Mammoth Mogul and his Fearsome Foursome. Mogul swaps the sword for a fake without Knuckles or Sally realizing.

Sonic #047-049 and Sonic Super Special #6 – Drago, a member of Lupe’s wolfpack, Hershey the Cat’s abusive boyfriend, and now-revealed traitor, tricked Hershey into killing Sally while wearing a Sonic disguise that made everyone, including Sally, look like Snively Robotnik. So she thought she was killing Snively Robotnik. Geoffrey is very excited to put Sonic in the slammer. Sonic, Antoine, and Bunnie kill Robotnik by interrupting his Ultimate Annihilator, creating many new zones and sending Prime Zone Knothole 3 hours into the future. New zones are popping up in brief pockets around the planet. Sonic’s name is cleared.

Sonic Super Special #2

Sonic #053

Sonic #054 – Sonic is angry at Chuck for keeping his parents’ status a secret from him, and feeling restless without enemies to fight. Chuck feels guilty, but explains that he was worried the knowledge his parents were alive but roboticized would stunt Sonic’s ability to think clearly about the war and Robotnik would use his love for his parents against him. Sonic forgives him. Chuck requests to make Knothole a temporary city just for Robians (newly freed roboticized Mobians), who are being harassed by the Mobians of Mobotropolis, but King Acorn denies him.

Sonic #055

Sonic #056 – Mammoth Mogul attacks Echidnaopolis. Knuckles retrieves the real Sword of Acorns and returns it to Sally. Mogul’s defeat resulted in the destruction of Angel Island’s Chaos Emeralds and the formation of the Master Emerald, with the power of the Chaos Emeralds and Mammoth Mogul’s lifeforce at its center, keeping the island afloat. Turbo Tails debut.

Sonic Super Special #4: Return of the King

Sonic #057: Page 22-end (If your scans don’t show page numbers than start reading once Sonic takes off the headgear)

Sonic #058: Friendly Rogues & Foul Villains – In their search for Naugus, Sonic and Tails have been captured by General D’Coolette, Antoine’s roboticized father. They decide not to tell Antoine they found him. Introduction of Rob o’ the Hedge, Amy’s cousin and budget Robin Hood.

Sonic #058: The Living Crown

Sonic #060 – Debut of the Iron King and Queen. The Iron Queen is an evil sorceress who’s dark magic can only be countered by the enchanted fan of Fen Xing. Monkey Khan is revealed to be referred to in a prophecy as the Monkey King. King Acorn pesters Sally about the Source of All and suggests that she should be wed to Antoine. She storms off, angry that he is trying to control her life beyond political duties.

Sonic #061-063 – King Acorn tells Geoffery to assemble a small team for the secret service; Geoffrey recruits Hershey the Cat, Wombat Stu, Bomb and Heavy, and Valdez the Chameleon. Sonic and Tails crash into Sandblast City, whose roboticized civilians have not yet reobtained their free will and continue to attack the city. The Sandblaster Freedom Fighters, led by Jack Rabbitt, hold Sonic in very high regard and, thrilled to have his protection, refuse to let him leave. He and Tails have to fight their way out. Snively, Drago, Nack, and Mogul’s Fearsome Foursome break out of prison.

Sonic #064: Geoffrey St. John on His Majesty’s Secret Service Pt 4

Sonic #064-067: In Search Of… and The Fellowship Of The Rings – Sonic and Tails catch up with Naugus in the Southern Tundra and discover that he actually after Nate Morgan, an old Overlander (human) who was a part of the Acorn Royal Court and discovered the use of Rings as a power source and as a 5th natural element. Naugus tricked King Max into believing that Nate had betrayed the Mobians in the Great War, leading to his exile. Naugus had feared that Nate’s science would replace Naugus’ use to the Crown as the Royal Wizard. Nate has the ability to create Power Rings. They send Naugus back to the Zone of Silence and Nate directs Sonic to the Temple of Shazamazon to retrieve the Ring of Acorns.

Sonic #066: And Then There Was One

Sonic #068: Surprise!

Sonic #069: A Day in the Life

Sonic #070: Saving Nate Morgan

Sonic #071 – Sonic redirects a time beam so Knothole is no longer 3 hours in the future. King Acorn scolds Sonic for disobeying direct orders and going to rescue Nate, and he scolds Elias for going on a dangerous mission as the crown prince, though he is appreciative of Nate’s return.

Sonic #072: I, Robotnik!

Sonic #073: The Truth is Out There

Sonic #074: Don’t Call it a Comeback!

Sonic #075

Sonic #076: Business as Usual Ch 2

Sonic #077: Sonic and Sally return to Knothole with a handful of survivors. King Acorn thanks Sonic for his disobedience because of the lives he saved as a result.

Sonic Super Special #11 – Because Elias has confessed that he does not want to inherit the crown, Sally is left as the future queen. So, she begins bonding with the Source of All, which would mean that she was aware of the consequences of every action she takes. However, she decides this path isn’t right for her, and she would rather form her own path. Hershey discovers that Valdez has been roboticized. Lupe is roboticized.

Sonic Super Special #11: Upgrade

Sonic #078: Changes

Sonic #079-080 – Sonic and Nate receive word that Robotnik has discovered the Hidden City of the Ancients (an industrialized Overlander society only heard of in stories), so the Freedom Fighters set out to intercept him. Frustrated that they won’t let her come along because she lacks experience, Amy uses the wish granted by the Ring of Acorns to wish herself older. Elias was planning on using the Ring’s wish to cure Queen Alicia, but Amy (unknowingly) beat him to it. Amy now has her modern appearance.

NOTE: Starting here, every issue has a Knuckles story at the end (excluding #081-084) until further notice. These stories are not recommended reading.

Sonic #081-082, Sonic Super Special #13, Sonic #083-084 – Loose retelling of Sonic Adventure. The Hidden City of the Ancients is the city Sonic Adventure takes place in.

Sonic #085: Home & Back – After Robotnik’s initial defeat, the walruses of the North Sea were freed from mind control, allowing Rotor to happily live with his family again. However, upon Robotnik’s return, the walruses were seized by mind control once more, hellbent on killing Rotor. He barely escapes, but nearly drowns. He is rescued by the Arctic Freedom Fighters.

Sonic #086 & 087: Heart of the Hedgehog

Sonic #086 & 087: Against the Haunted Past – Monkey Khan’s backstory where he was kidnapped from his village by Robotnik and made into a cyborg. In modern times, Khan is kidnapped again as Robotnik attempts to remove his free will. Khan escapes, but not before Robotnik roboticizes all the villagers and burns the village down.

Sonic #088: Family Matters

Sonic #088: Picking up the Pieces – Antoine, Bunnie, and Amy meet up with Knuckles and Rob o’ the Hedge in their search for Antoine’s father. Knuckles directs them to Albion, an advanced Echidna civilization outside of Angel Island that had long hid itself from the eyes of the outside world.

Sonic #089-090

Sonic #090: Between a Rock and a Hard Place – The roboticized General D’Coolette attacks Albion while Antoine, Bunnie, Amy, Rob, and Knuckles are there. Using a neutralizer given to him by Rotor on a refueling stop in the tundra, Antoine puts General D’Coolette in stasis so he can be transported.

Sonic #091-092 – Rotor returns to Knothole. Robotnik attempts to test the newly acquired Sword of Acorns on Uncle Chuck and Muttski to see if it really can restore Robians’ free will. However, because Chuck and Muttski already had their free will restored during the fight to rescue Elias, it appears to have no effect as Chuck and Muttski continue pretending to be under his control. Robotnik throws the sword to the ground in frustration, and it is stolen by Arachnis. Elias and Geoffrey discover that the sword is missing from Knothole, and Mina reluctantly tells them that Sonic took it. Overlander ships from space land outside of Robotropolis; after noticing that one of the families is the Kintobors, Robotnik’s own brother (who he hates) and his wife and child, he tricks them into coming into Mobotropolis so that he can roboticize them.

Sonic #093

Sonic #094 – Robotnik continues his ruse with the Kintobors. They explain that after the Great War, the Overlanders wanted a fresh start away from the Mobians, but failed to find anywhere suitable. Robotnik catches Snively breaking curfew and imprisons him. Sonic and the Freedom Fighters have their first day of school, but Sally is receiving private lessons at the castle so Sonic doesn’t see her. He’s worried she hates him. Athair meets Tails in the hallway and sweeps him away under “Chosen One” pretenses. Until further notice, Tails is missing from the main story and is appearing in the Knuckles story.

Sonic #096 – Kodos is found unconscious with radiation poisoning for unknown reasons, and Geoffrey is tasked with determining what happened. At school, Mina asks Sonic to tutor her in speed. A robot breaks into the school and delivers a message to Sonic from Uncle Chuck, confirming to him that the Sword of Acorn returned Chuck’s free will. Chuck says that Arachnis has stolen the sword.

Sonic #098 – Intro to Sonic Adventure 2. The raid on the ARK. Sonic is captured by GUN after Shadow steals an emerald. It is implied that the rest of the events of SA2 took place between #098 and #099.

Sonic #099 – Tails returns home. While Sonic is trying to help Mina control her speed, she becomes frustrated when it doesn’t come as easily to her as it does to Sonic. She kisses him, and Sally sees this and becomes jealous (though Sonic reacts poorly). Kodos escapes and attacks Arachnis to learn the location of the sword. Sally finds Arachnis and races to beat Kodos to the sword.

Sonic #100 – Sally retrieves the sword before Kodos and throws him into a ravine using its power. Nate goes to Robotropolis to warn the Overlanders of the deadly toxins in the city’s air, and the Freedom Fighters and Mina go after him. Chuck and Muttski reveal their soundness of mind to Robotnik in order to save Nate from being roboticized. Sally uses the Sword of Acorns to free every Robian in Robotropolis, but Nate is unable to escape Robotropolis.

Sonic #102 [Last Knuckles story until #106]

Sonic #105: You Say You Want a Revelation?

Sonic #106-107 – Sonic and Sally negotiate with the Overlanders of the Hidden City (Station Square) in order to find a place for the Overlanders of Robotropolis to stay. They agree, on the condition that the Freedom Fighters help defeat a dragon that’s been terrorizing Station Square. Knuckles stories resume.

Sonic #108: A Girl Named Hope!

Sonic #109 – The Freedom Fighters use the Sword of Acorns to free Rotor’s herd from Robotnik’s control. Sally talks to Mina and realizes that Sonic does not return Mina’s feelings.

Sonic #110-112

Sonic #114

Sonic #117

Sonic #118 – Aliens called the Bem make Robotnik and Snively human again. Geoffrey and Hershey’s nanite infection is cured by Rotor. Geoffrey feels that he failed Elias, the kingdom, and his father’s memory because of his need to prove himself as capable as Sonic. He believes his ego and overconfidence led, however indirectly, to his team falling victim to the nanites and Elias self-exile. Hershey tells him that he’s a hero despite losing his way, and they kiss. Hershey and Geoffrey announce to the Acorns that they will be leaving to search for Elias.

Sonic #119: Dust Bunnie and Time Code

Sonic #120-122

Sonic #123: Heart Held Hostage Pt 2 – Mina and Sonic rescue Sally from Nack and his gang. When Sally and Sonic reunite, Sally says she loves him and they kiss, shattering Mina’s hopes of being with Sonic. She jumps in front of one of Nack’s bullets to save Sally. She survives.

Sonic #123: The Last Robian

Sonic #124 – Shadow survived the events of SA2 because an alien race called the Bem took him in and healed him. He crash lands in Knothole just as the kingdom is learning of an incoming threat: an attack from an alien race called the Xorda, who claim to have come to “Earth” 3000 years ago with goals of peace, but were captured and studied by humans. As revenge, they set bombs to wipe out all of “Earth”’s life. Now, having realized that life on “Earth” survived anyways, they’ve returned to correct this mistake. Sally and Nicole discover that Earth and Mobius are the same planet. Sally asks her parents to accept Sonic as her royal consort so they can get married in the future, and they agree happily.

Sonic #125

Sonic #126-128 – Sonic wakes up on an alien planet, billions of lightyears away from Mobius. He battles and/or receives help from various alien races in his struggle to return home.

Sonic #129-137 [First story of Mobius 25 Years Later is at the end of #131. Mostly tied to Knuckles. Not recommended reading.]

Sonic #141 – Eggman captures all the citizens of Echidnaopolis in his egg grapes: chambers that drain the life force of living creatures in order to power the city of New Megaopolis.

Sonic #142: I Wanna Be a Freedom Fighter!

Sonic #144: Love and Loss

Sonic #145: Harbinger

Sonic #146-147

Sonic #148: The Good, the Bad, and the Unknown Pt 3 and Playing Around

Sonic #149: The Good, the Bad, and the Unknown Pt 4

Sonic #150 – After a quarrel with Evil Antoine (Patch), Evil Sonic trapped Patch on Mobius Prime, kidnapping Antoine Prime and threatening him that if Antoine doesn’t play the part of Patch, he’ll never see home again. Evil Sonic is frustrated to see that Patch has been making the best of his situation, rising in the ranks under Antoine Prime’s name, which inspires Evil Sonic to try and do the same on Mobius Prime. He flirts with Mina, Fiona, Bunnie, and Amy, all four girls under the impression that he is Sonic. On Angel Island, Rouge attempts to charm Locke so she can try and get to the Master Emerald. She is interrupted when Archimedes teleports her to Knothole.

Sonic #151-159

Sonic #160 (Start of Ian Flynn and Tracey Yardley’s runs. Clap and cheer!! From here on out read the entire issue unless specified otherwise, even if it’s about Knuckles.)

Sonic #161-165

Sonic #168-170

Sonic #171: I Am

Sonic #172

Sonic Free Comic Book Day Special 2007

Sonic #173-197

Sonic Universe #1

Sonic #198

Sonic Universe #2-4

Sonic #199-206

Sonic Universe #9-12

Sonic #207-209

Sonic Universe #13-16

Sonic #210-211

Sonic Free Comic Book Day Special 2010

Sonic #212-214

Sonic Universe #17-20

Sonic #215-218

Sonic Universe #21-24

Sonic #219-222

Sonic Universe #25-28 (Note: Lara-su is Knuckles’ and Julie-su’s daughter, featured in Mobius 25 Years Later.)

Sonic #223-229

Sonic Universe #29-32

Sonic #230

Sonic Free Comic Book Day Special 2012: Sonic: Genesis Awakenings

Sonic #231-232

Sonic Universe #33-36

Sonic #233-235

Sonic Universe #37-40

Sonic #236-240

Sonic Universe #41-44

Sonic #241-242

Sonic Universe #46-49

Sonic #243-246

Sonic Universe #50

Mega Man #24, Sonic Universe #51, Sonic #248, MM #25, SU #52, Sonic #249, MM #26, SU #53, Sonic #250, MM #27, SU #54, Sonic #251 (in this order) – Robotnik’s second attempt at a Genesis Wave results in the merging of the Sonic and Mega Man universes. Alongside Dr. Wily (main villain of the Mega Man universe), Robotnik continues his work to rewrite reality to fit only himself, using a Super Genesis Wave. Sonic is able to go Super at the last moment in order to reverse Eggman’s damage, but after seeing that Sonic is succeeding, Robotnik decides that if he can’t have the reality he wants, then no one can. He attacks Sonic while Sonic is in the midst of rewriting reality to its original state, causing the Wave to progress in a manner that is not quite what either of them had intended. Mega Man returns to his own universe.

Sonic Universe #55-58 (Rebooted continuity begins here.)

Sonic #252-256

Sonic Universe #59-62

Sonic #257-259

Sonic Free Comic Book Day Special 2014

Sonic #260-263

Sonic Super Digest #8 - “Little Lost Soldier”

Sonic Universe #63-66

Sonic #264-267

Sonic Super Digest #9 - “The Belle in the Machine”

Sonic Universe #67-70

Sonic #268-271

Sonic Super Digest #11 - “Nicole”

Sonic Universe #71-74

Sonic Super Digest #12 - “The Traitor”

Sonic #272

Sonic Universe #75

Sonic Universe #76

Sonic Super Digest #15 - “Castaway”

Sonic Universe #79-82

Sonic #276-279

Sonic Universe #83-86

Sonic #280-287

Sonic Universe #87-90

Sonic #288-290

Sonic Mega Drive special

Sonic Mega Drive: The Next Level special

Sonic Universe #91-94

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where-theres-smoak-2 · 4 months

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https://www.tumblr.com/darklinaforever/737358997307506688/i-already-did-an-entire-post-about-this-but-sylki

I mean, yes, the comparison of Sylki to Miles and Gwen totally makes sense to me.

People simply refuse to see that no Sylvie is not a simple female version of Loki.

She doesn't have the same DNA or the same personality. It's bullshit. And even if as I say they share the same identity, it is mainly from a divine point of view. The same role in the universe.

Because the simple case of being born Loki is completely called into question from the episode where Sylvie is introduced, simply because she did not keep Loki's identity. It's not for nothing that it has its own name. This is precisely to make the viewer understand that no, she is not a female version of Loki and is not supposed to be !

The purpose of a character meeting other versions of themselves always generally serves the same purpose of discovery or understanding about themselves. From a symbolic point of view, it's almost the same thing.

Anyway, I'm not going to repeat myself any further since I already say all these things in the link above.

This is all just my opinion. I would find it interesting to hear yours on the subject ?

Sylvie and Loki are not the same person, they play the same role in their own universes and its as simple as that. They don't share genetics or the same DNA in any way, shape or form, we don't even know if they've got the same parents for sure. The only connection between the two is that role they play as god/goddess of mischief. As you said the fact that she was given the name Sylvie was to help the viewers see her as her own character, to recognise that she is not the same person as Loki and she has her own individuality.

I honestly don't know why people are still arguing about this because Kate Herron, someone with creative control over the show has made it clear that they aren't the same person:

Call me old fashioned but personally if someone with creative control makes a statement like this, I take it as the truth. You can voice how much you don't like it or that you saw it a different way, but this statement is still the truth, Sylvie and Loki were not written as being the same person. The truth is some people are so insecure in their ship that they have to cling to this incorrect view that Sylki is wrong because 'they're the same person', in order to make themselves feel better. They'll do anything they can, say anything they can to invalidate Sylki. Which is fine until they start jumping on sylkis posts telling them they're wrong when they very clearly aren't as the creators themselves share the same opinion.

I often see the argument that Sylvie and Loki must be the same person and their relationship must be wrong because characters in the show have said so. But lets look at these moments. The first is in 1x4 when Mobius is interrogating Loki and realises Loki has developed romantic feelings for Sylvie. If we look at Mobius' role in this moment he is the TVA agent who is still under the brainwashing of the 'timekeepers' aka HWR and is not someone we are supposed to be rooting for in this moment. In some ways he's playing the antagonist to Loki in this moment in the sense that he represents the TVA who are the bad guys. We are supposed to see that Mobius is the one in the dark here and that his current points of view are not the correct ones. You could say there is a pre truth Mobius and a post truth Mobius. Pre truth Mobius was the one who told Loki that he is responsible for his mother's death, who said he was born to bring pain and suffering so that others could become the best versions of themselves and who said his romance with Sylvie was sick, twisted and demented. We as the audience are supposed to accept these statements as being wrong, as being a result of Mobius being brainwashed by this organisation. I mean who out here is taking the words of an indoctrinated agent of a fascist organisation at face value? Like come on.

But then we get post truth Mobius, he learns the truth about being a variant and the TVA, he sees the light so to speak. The biggest clue that you are supposed to understand that his previous comments about Loki and Sylki are wrong is that he takes them all back after he learns the truth. His view that Loki was only meant to bring suffering changes and he tells Loki he can be whoever he wants to be. His view on Sylki changes too and instead of seeing them as sick and twisted he recognises their connection as something positive, something that could be the solution and that could 'bring this whole place down.'

The second instance is when X-5 calls Sylki weird in 2x2 in the McDonalds scene and again this statement is coming from a bad guy. Like x-5/ brad is a villain in the show, who is self serving and doesn't care about anybody else, of course you aren't suppose to agree with what he says. Another important facet of both these scenes though is that they are supposed to be comedic scenes. You are quite literally not supposed to take them seriously, its just a joke, because yeah sylki are weird, we've all had a good laugh about it, but them being weird doesn't make them wrong.

Anyway pretty sure I've gone off on a tangent there, so bringing it back. No Sylvie and Loki are not the same person. No they don't share DNA or any genetics, obviously. Yes the Miles/Gwen comparison is valid in that they both play the same roles within their universe, Miles/Gwen are both spiderman/woman, Sylvie/Loki are both the god/goddess of mischief.

Not to sound harsh, but you can shout and scream about how Sylki are the same person all you like, I don't care I'm going with Herron's statement seeing as she helped create the actual show. So as far as I'm concerned this is no longer an argument or up for debate, the answer has already been given, they aren't the same person.

#sylki #loki x sylvie #loki #sylvie #answered

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