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alex-the-bringer-of-chaos · 2 years

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Okay gang, regarding the script: no fucking wonder Finn says Will's love is beautiful. No wonder basically everyone on the cast is rooting for byler. Otherwise this shit is the saddest there is. We know David knows the ending, he called it beautiful. There's no fucking way he would be saying that and giggling and shit if byler wasn't endgame.

El's journey has ALWAYS been about her sense of identity and the need for familial and platonic love. Her romantic relationship with Mike holds her back, makes her miserable (as we saw on s4) and when she dumped his ass and spent time with her friend Max was the happiest she's ever been.

Will and Mike's journey has been connected from the start, no, before that. The story wouldn't exist if they hadn't been friends, they NEED eachother in a healthy way, they make each other happier, the love they want/need is the love the other one gives them. But their story has also been about self-love, just like El's. The difference is where that need come from.

El needed to learn self-love because of the whole shitshow of trauma and the growing up on a lab, abusive af place. She struggles with seeing who she is because she has only been seen as 2 things her whole life: a superhero or a monster - and her relationship with Mike reinforces that viewpoint, which is why she is happier without that romance.

Mike and Will's struggles come from being gay in the 80s and from their family - Mike cause his parents are more worried with fitting in causing them to be in a loveless marriage and Will cause of his piece of shit of a father - those things affected their view of themselves and of their future. They need to learn self-love on their own, obv, but they're relationship is key to it. They've always needed each other, always will. They love each other so much!

At the end, El's happy ending is being her independent self with the love of her family and friends, and Mike and Will's happy ending is together!

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sarahivess · 1 year

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60 questions to ask the Duffers if Byler isn’t endgame

Thank you @merth-or-nothin for the help!

1. Why emphasize so much on the strong “Friends don’t lie” in the very first episode of the show, showing Will couldn’t even lie to Mike, only for him to lie to Mike for the first time in the second to last episode of the second to last season?

2. Why did Mike and El such a short build up before getting together? If they were meant to be endgame, why not build them slowly, so the audience could be invested in the development of the relationship?

3. Why were Mike and El separated every single season?

4. Why do Mike and El fight so much when they’re together? They barely have any cute scenes at all when they’re dating.

5. Why did El refer to Mike as "her first boyfriend?"

6. If she was meant to only date (then marry) Mike, why draw attention to the fact that he's the only boy she's dated?

7. What was the purpose of El asking Mike if he'd be like her brother in s1? Why give them a familial association?

8. In season 4, why is it revealed that Will is in love with Mike as Mike's relationship with El is eroding?

9. Why make a point to show the audience Will loves Mike the way he wants to be loved, while El makes him feel like a random nerd?

10. Why have Will in the background of every single Mileven scene (except for their bedroom fight) in the entire S4, making the audience to root for Will?

11. Why have Will love Mike at all?

12. Why bring Will into Mike and El's relationship? If Mike doesn't feel the same way, it's a waste narratively and it's anticlimactic.

13. Why did Mike change so much between seasons 2-3 without any perticular reason? And no, it wasn’t just puberty. That change made Mike go from being one of the most loved characters to one of the most hated ones.

14. Why frame Mike and Eleven’s relationship in S3 as unserious and unhealthy?

15. Why make everyone go against their relationship and why break them up as early as in the beginning of the second episode of S3?

16. Why empathize so much on El in EP3 and her independence, making us (the audience) feel genuinely happy when she breaks up with Mike and frame the breakup scene with light-hearted humor and comedy?

17. Why make Will and Mike’s first fight scene in the show dark and angsty? And making it a huge contrast to Mike and El’s comedic breakup scene.

18. Why make Max say “he’ll come crawling in no time begging for forgiveness” to El, which was true, but he didn’t come crawling back to El. He went to Will’s house, begging for forgiveness.

19. Why spend SO MUCH time on the Byler scenes and putting so much effort in them so they’ll look intimate? It’s such a contrast to Steve and Dustin’s scenes for example which is almost always comedic.

20. Why have so MANY Byler scenes at all?

21. Why have “tender emotional music” in almost all of the Byler scenes in S4?

22. Why make Will even confess behind El’s name instead of just confess himself and having Mike rejecting him right away? Why drag it out all the way to the very final season?

23. Why spend an entire day filming the van scene if it wasn’t that important anyway? If Will is just ending up getting rejected anyway?

24. Why the whole painting plot?

25. Why so many parallels with Jopper, Jancy and Lumax?

26. Why the very same soundtrack when they became friends again as when Lucas and Max became friends “On the bus”?

27. Why is Finn describing Mike’s story arc for both season 3 and season 4 as “Mike is trying to be a normal teenager”, “Mike is trying to be as normal as possible” and “He’s trying to keep on a normal path” why so much focus on Mike trying to be normal?

28. Why spending two seasons on Mike trying to say the word “love” to his girlfriend? Isn’t that a kinda boring arc for someone who’s just having bad self esteem because of his parents loveless marriage?

29. Why does the whole cast and even the Duffers always so secretive and giddy and smiley every time Byler gets brought up if it’s just another sad tragic unrequited love story?

30. Why having Will say “I’m not gonna fall in love” with such a heartbreaking tone and then end up making him not get the boy he’s in love with and has been since the very beginning?

31. Why put so much effort in the set design to queer code Mike (as in rainbows, shirtless men, monsters with muscles, the word BOY in the bg, multiple closet imagery, even a big sign towards the closet saying “One way” if it meant nothing or was just weird coincidence’s?

32. Why the triple take? What was the point of that?

33. Why filming and editing the last scene of S3 emphasizing that Mike is going to miss Will more than El? (Him looking back at Will’s house, then it cuts to Will, then it cuts back to Mike who walks up to his mom and hugs her with a heartbroken look on his face)

34. Why make El say in the letter “I think there’s someone Will likes, cause he has been acting weird” but all we see in s4 is Mike acting weird?

35. Why make Mike being able to hug everyone except for Will, when he could hug him just perfectly in s3?

36. Why make Mike treat Will differently than his other friends?

37. Why make Mike and Dustin have the same look on their faces as they watch Will and Max dance with other people and then after that Mike looks upset until El shows up?

38. Why is The Duffers so “hushy hushy” about Byler at all? If it was obvious it’s unrequited why not just clear that shit up because they KNOW they’ll get a lot of backlash if it turns out it was a big queer bait all along.

39. Why start to build up and hint at Will’s love for Mike from the very first episode and make it canon in the second to last season?

40. Why so many coded talks which easily could be interpreted differently? Like Karen’s “I want you to know you can talk to me, I don’t want you to feel like you have to hide anything from me”, Ted’s “See what happens?” About Will’s disappearance (as in see what happens if you’re queer? You get abducted, killed etc) and Ted’s “our son with a girl?”

41. Why make Mike NOD in the scene when Will talks about how difficult it can be to open up about something the other person may not like to hear?

42. Why make Will having to remind Mike of the painting and his coded speech before Mike can say it? Why could he only say it the moment El was about to die?

43. Why make it look like Mike doesn’t want to kiss El by removing her hands away from him (3.01) and not reciprocating, not kissing back with eyes wide open looking confused in 3.08? Why frame him like he isn’t interested in girls at all? (Princess Daphne, Phoebe Cates, Max etc.)

44. Why never show us Mike’s pov?

45. Why SO MUCH effort in flashbacks during the entire S4 except for the monologue when El only remembered one single moment with Mike? Why did she had so many with Max but only one with Mike?

46. The ending scene in S4. WHY put them in couples when they could just have made them stand together all of them instead?

47. Why does it look like El isn’t talking to Mike at the end of S4? Why does she look annoyed at first and THEN sad when she finds the bottle under her bed which reminds her of Max?

48. Why SO MUCH yellow and blue coding when it comes to Will and Mike? Even their colors of their clothes are almost always blue and yellow as well.

49. Why make Mike nervous every time Will is close to him in S4 or accidentally touches him?

50. Why make Mike say “we’re friends” to Will twice when both him, Will and the audience clearly knows that already?

51. Why associate the word “crazy” with “love” and then make the “crazy together” scene?

52. Why having Mike saying “it was the best thing I’ve ever done” about meeting Will but then having him say his life didn’t start until he met El?

53. Why did Mike’s words work for Will in S2 (making him being able to communicate) but didn’t for El (not until she looked over at Max)?

54. Why write the lines for Will “We could just play DnD for the rest of our lives” and “Not possible” about him joining another party?

55. Why make Mike look at Will’s lips so much? Why the flirtiness in the bedroom scenes in S4? They could easily have remade those scenes if that wasn’t intentional.

56. Why all the classic romantic interruptions in season 4 which we’ve seen plenty of times in the show between “more than friends”-couples earlier?

57. Why make such a HUGE contrast between El’s reaction to being without Mike and Will being without Mike in S3? (El did a high five with Max while Will cried and destroyed Castle Byers)

58. Why make Mike say “Hawkins isn’t the same without you” to only WILL and not to El? Why does Mike not have any problems opening up to Will but only to El?

59. Why couldn’t Mike say the full reason why he and El had their fight in 4.03?

60. Why have so much hints and clues in the show that Byler is endgame so it’s possible to make 300+ pages slideshows, hours of long videos with proof of Mike being gay, if everything is just unintentional or “made up”?

#byler #anti milkvan #60 questions to ask the duffers #if byler isn’t endgame #byler question’s

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wheeler-fan · 3 months

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Hello! I'm a byler fan, but I decided to write to you because I have the same feelings about endgame. To be honest, I feel like I'm gaslighting myself and it's terrible because I've been really obsessed with the byler for 8 years and I'm really scared. I really like your analysis, I especially liked the one about El and Mike's different love languages, it makes sense to me now! But what I really care about is if the byler isn't going to be endgame, then why is Will all this suffering? For what? He literally hasn't been happy in any season and he ends up growing as a character in season 5 and letting Mike go? To me this feels terribly unfair. To go through so many trials that you wouldn’t end up with the one you love. This is more of a question, of course, to the Duffers, why make a child suffer so much, he definitely didn’t deserve it, but (I don’t remember who exactly said this, sorry) but one user wrote that before each season byler fans write about will happen and byler become canon, aaaand.. this is not happening! I feel that in the fifth it will be the same and it hurts a lot. In any case, thank you for your respect and interesting analyzes! By the way, regarding the brothers statement about the fact that «they will no longer follow the lead of the fans», many Mileven fans think that this is just about the byler, but it seems to me that this is more like a triangle between Steven Nancy and Jonathan, because byler fans received nothing for all seasons (except for the second, but at that time the fandom was not as influential as it is now). Sorry in advance for any mistakes, English is not my native language

hey, thanks for a question and for reading my analysis‼️i love to talk to byler fans about theories and different views for the same scenes so it's a pleasure to answer your question!!

First of all, and i think you're going to agree with me on this one, Will is a really important character for the whole plot, and not only as a member of the party but as a boy connected to the other dimension. We can see that in the first two seasons he's the main focus, in s3 we can see him as a sad teenager who wants to go back to his childhood but for this he needs his friends and the problem is that they're not interested because they're trying to move on and start a normal life. We had this in the s3 plot- that Will gave up his childhood and tried to move on like the others too, he even gave his d&d to Erica and then moved on to Lenora. But in s4 we can see that this did not exactly work, bc he's emotionally attached to mike and can't move on- he needs to talk to him about his feelings (and here we have two options-byler fans thinks that mike feels the same and he's gonna be with will, mileven fans thinks that mike is gonna reject will and it will helps in his character development) In s4 Will is not even connected to the upside down bc he's not in hawkins anymore so literally the whole point about him this season was being in love with his best friend and for what?? i bet that duffer brothers did that on purpose to help this character, but i think it's way more than just make him happy while being in relationship with mike, i feel that Will needs to be cut off- from the upside down and from the party for good- and ofc not in a bad way!! I'm not saying that he has to give up all his friends, no. But he needs to be more independent, not always in someone's shadow, doing what someone tells him too, like what someone wants him to (Jonathan talked to Will about it in s1) What i really need for this character is to find happiness in himself (he thinks that he's a mistake, and i don't think that being in a relationship will help him with that because literally this love for mike make him feel this way about himself)

personally i don't think that relationship is something this character needs right now- first he needs to love himself and feel good about who he is. I feel like the duffer brothers are planning something bigger for him and just because he's not going to end up in a relationship doesn't mean that he's not going to have a happy ending!

also a lot of people are saying "if you think that Will doesn't need a relationship then why do you think that mike needs it? why don't u want him to be independent too?" Well it's a good question, but from my point of view- Will is in love with someone he can't be with, and he's hating himself for that. That's why I want him to move on and finally be independent. On the other hand we have Mike and El- they both love each other since s1, the point is that mike thought El is way happier without him and doesn't need him anymore bc she was telling him how amazing life she has in Lenora, so he thought she's going to leave him soon, and if he would show her that he REALLY LOVES HER and wants something real then it would make her leave faster and it would hurt him even more, he kinda separated himself and that was the reason why eleven though that he doesn't love her- That was the whole misunderstanding that they had this season, and yea they can be independent, but i can see how they love each other and how they want to have a happy relationship without fear, and i really hope duffer brothers are going to give it to them.

I hope this answer makes any sense to u 😭

#stranger things

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mlchaelwheeler · 2 years

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Another Anon here: you can tell she doesn't want him in those moments, because when she walks past them she does this annoyed sigh thing and is PURPOSELY ignoring Mike. She doesn't look guarded or peeved like that with anyone else. She's relaxed and sad but relaxed still. And Mike looks and acts so defeated about it. If they're so endgame and better than ever right now then why have her act that way? Lol. Rest in peace to the milkers. 🤭

YES her sigh is so telling! Like, she just got what she supposedly wanted (Mike telling her he loves her) yet she's not happy. Why?? Probably because she heard Will urging him to say it. She saw right through his lies and I know it.

If that was supposed to be milkvan's romantic moment™️, that was a fail. If I was a milkvan shipper, I'd be thoroughly disappointed. That monologue sucked (if you don't look past the surface level) and didn't help improve Mike and El's relationship at all. It's actually really sad because El deserves so much better.

I'm a firm believer that El doesn't need romance in her life right now. Instead, she's focused on building platonic relationships she's been lacking all her life: a true friend (Max) and a loving parent (Hopper). El needs to discover who she is outside of a relationship, and S2/3 have shown that El only grows as a character when she's not with Mike. This is intentional.

I always see milkvans saying that we say El can't be independent while with Mike but Will can be independent if he gets together with Mike, and how contradictory that is. This is because they're not realizing that Will is already his own person! He has interests and healthy relationships and is already independent. His scenes with Mike are when his character grows!! On the other hand, El doesn't know who she is. She's not sure what her interests really are and hasn't had time to develop meaningful relationships because she's always tied to Mike. Her scenes with Mike are the opposite of Will's: instead of having character growth she regresses and stays static. Being with Mike halts any character growth she may have, so it's essential to her S5 arc to realize she's better off focusing on platonic love so she can grow her sense of independence.

I think everyone (bylers and milkvans) want what's best for El. The narrative has shown over and over that her character shines the most when she can be independent. This is why I believe milkvan is not endgame and will be breaking up early in S5. It's clear from the end of V2 that Mike and El are not on good terms. El knows he was lying and will soon find out why due to the painting. She'll break up with Mike when she realizes that the love Mike has for Will is much deeper and different than the love Mike has for her. She deserves better than being dragged along and lied to and will pursue strengthening her platonic relationships in S5 instead, hopefully.

#this turned into a rant sorry. but. yah #ask sarah #anon tag #el hopper #byler

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thebrokengate · 2 years

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I was just watching a video of this queer youtuber talking about Will. They said that the best conclusion for Will's arc would not be to end up with Mike but to accept himself (they do not think that Mike has romantic feelings for Will at all). It made me a bit sad because Will's love for Mike is obviously so pure and so strong and I want my son to be with the man he deserves. Any houghts?

To me, that would only be halfway fulfilling. Will should be able to accept himself and his feelings, absolutely, but they've also set this up in a way where they've overdrawn his pain and his longing for Mike to the point that him not reciprocating would make the arc fall much more flat and be less of a final payoff. Not only that, but they also used Will's feelings for Mike as a way to prop up his relationship with El (which even after 4 fucking seasons is still not fixed, but that's another story), which is already a disgusting trope in and of itself, but especially given the way they've displayed his suffering over doing so, it's absolutely horrible if they don't go through with Byler. We don't have a good look into Mike's head right now, so I can't necessarily fault them for thinking he wouldn't reciprocate, but there are plenty of both subtextual and even straight up textual reasons why most of us are fairly certain he will, and insight from film students as well - both who were Byler shippers previously, or who were general audience before season 4 who never put thought into Byler at all until now - that can back up the great likelihood of mutual feelings between the two characters. And, my personal favorite: the interrupted/seized moments trope that's classic in romance, which they did many times. This one especially is the most obvious. If Will was the only one with romantic feelings, only he would've been startled out of staring at Mike, but they both were, as if they had been caught doing something they shouldn't have been doing, and it was Mike they chose to linger the camera on (who appeared even more startled than Will with the way he turns, might I add), as if they wanted you to get a good reading on his expressions before the moment was seized (that actually written into the script itself, and being labelled as a moment).

They've also turned a larger portion of the general audience away from M*lev*n and have steered them towards either being Byler shippers, or rooting for Will's happiness, or some even both. And they've outlined Will's love for Mike as being exactly what Mike needs in a relationship that he doesn't get from El. I do think we're headed towards a Byler endgame and Will's acceptance of himself - both which will have a beautiful emotional payoff - based on what we've been given, and Byler and El's independence will be the most satisfying outcomes for all three characters.

#ask styx #byler

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wontbyers · 2 years

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Disclaimer, because this is a pretty new blog but if you want to follow you might see I’ll eventually have a tag for both #mileven and #anti mileven which might be confusing: I don’t hate Mileven. I actually think they are cute together and it wasn’t until sometime after volume 2 that I even stopped believing they would be the endgame ship. I only got into the Byler side of things after watching volume 1 and decided I like the ship (I’ve always been a multi-shipper in my fanbases, pairings literally don’t need to be either canon or endgame to simply enjoy them folks!!!) but I still thought Mileven was going to be endgame and I was content with that.

Until how vol.2 handled things with Will’s feelings and his whole plot relevance this season just being used to push Mike/El’s relationship back together—and Mike’s monologue had me feeling torn at first because it was half sweet? Like what I had been waiting for since vol.1, for him to tell her he loves her, but the other half just gave me this awful, sinking feeling….It felt wrong, and maybe because some of what he was saying wasn’t fully genuine, or maybe it’s because Will is my favorite character so it just hurts to see him hurt even if it’s (supposedly) good for El (which is arguable if that monologue was good for her at that point based on analyses.)

But it’s also because, if it turns out that Byler is NOT the end goal, that Mileven does stay together, that means they really used the one gay male character in the show’s pain and heartbreak to solidify the heterosexual pairing. And it’s NOT and will never be a competition of who between Will and El has dealt with more trauma or who “deserves” to be with Mike because love is not about deserving people anyway. It’s not about which ship would be cuter or healthier because they’re not real people, they’re fictional characters. They could easily be written to repair any “toxic” or codependent tendencies in their relationship and be perfectly fine and happy together!

It’s about the fact that LGBT+ people deserve to see stories where people like us are happy and not just “unrequited in love with their straight best friend” or “bury your gays” or anything else harmful. And LGBT+ audiences also deserve not to be toyed with and led on to believe that certain pairings we see suggested in the narrative could actually happen, only to wait years for the final season to come and find out that they were leading us astray to keep us invested just to realize “oh, no, that’s right, gay people don’t get happy endings….silly us, again.”

Rather than that, I choose to believe that the ST writers aren’t planning to do that to us. They’ve written a show about and for the outcasts and the people society shoves down, and I believe they won’t spit on our faces like that with Will’s storyline. I think they’re going to give him his happy ending. I believe in Byler endgame, which necessarily means I believe Mileven isn’t going to be endgame.

So I will reblog posts that point out specific details of the show with analyses that attempt to prove that the narrative we’ve been presented isn’t in favor of casting Mileven’s relationship in a positive light—contrasting them with Byler, and giving El a much-needed independence arc and autonomy she really hasn’t experienced yet in her life—and it isn’t about whether I like them together or not, whether I think Mileven could be healthy or not, whether I think El herself is “ready” for a romantic relationship or not, it’s about the story I want to believe they’re actually writing—which is to say not a homophobic one where Will Byers gets no happiness at the end of the day.

Also, don’t think this is me saying I only ship Byler because it’s gay or because of politics. I have ALWAYS been a fan of friends-to-lovers over love-at-first-sight tropes. Childhood best friends to lovers is actually my FAVORITE, which made it soooo easy for me to immediately love Byler as soon as I realized it was an option. I just wasn’t really aware of the ship in this case before s4 bc I didn’t see any of the hints that there were feelings between them, I just knew that Will was gay from s1 and thought that was about it. Didn’t even notice Mike’s queer-coding until tumblr analysts pointed it out. The Byler fanbase really opened my eyes and it’s impossible to go back now!

Idk if there’s anything else I wanna say on this topic rn, but yeah. I don’t hate Mileven, I just hate homophobia and if Mileven is endgame, the ST writers will literally have written quite a homophobic storyline for Will—because they didn’t need to make him be in love with Mike in the first place if he’s not going to get a happy ending. If they were just going to use his feelings to repair a straight ship. And did they accidentally queer-code Michael Wheeler THAT hard?? for no reason??? Nope. There has to be a reason, so I’m sorry Mileven, I loved you, but you will be a nice non-canon ship for me, because Byler is endgame or else <3

#byler #anti mileven #long post #op

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mollyollypuddingpolly · 2 years

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I'm so emotional over Will Byers and that painting right now.

He's so selfless giving Mike that painting as though it's from El to make Mike feel better. Saying how he feels about Mike but under the guise of it being what El thinks about Mike. He loves Mike so much, that he'll do everything to make him happy, even if it hurts him.

Mike is scared of El not needing him anymore, I think Mike likes to be needed. But maybe part of that is if El doesn't need him, he doesn't think anyone else does. But Will needs him, he might not realize it yet, but everything Will said in that scene was about how Will needs Mike.

And then when Mike tells El he loves her, it's only after Will tells him to "be the heart" which Mike interprets as "be who she needs" which from their earlier conversation he thinks she needs to hear that he loves her. But I don't really think he's telling the truth.

End then, we see El use memories of Max to fight to save her, not Mike's admission of love, which is an important development for her, to be less reliant on him and independent.

But we don't see what happened after that, between Mike and El. We know they haven't really talked in the 2 days it takes them to get to Hawkins, so we can't say if their relationship has been "fixed" from this or if El really believed Mike when he said he loved her.

I really hope we get the painting brought back up next season, maybe by Mike to El and she says that she didn't get Will to make it. I just don't like the idea of them using the painting and Wills love for Mike as a way to move Mike and Els relationship forward (it's bad writing and unfair to Will if that's the case)

And I hope Byler will be endgame in season 5 but I definitely was disappointed at the end of this season.

#stranger things #mike wheeler #will byers #stranger things 4 #stranger things 4 volume 2 #stranger things 4 volume 2 spoilers #st v2 spoilers #el hopper

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alex-the-bringer-of-chaos · 2 years

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Fam I'm so fucking excited because of this fucking post by @theonebyler. Wanna know why? Because not only is this guy a couple's counselor he said he has to Catch up with the show. No fucking way will he not know what's going on with Mike Will and El. Oh I can't wait for Cinema Therapy (of which he's a part of + a professional filmmaker) to make a video on all the evidence with filmmaking that pointed to Byler being endgame and independent El and why that is the best outcome. Don't let me down Jon and Alan

Adittion jams posts: this and this by @will80sbyers

Holy fuck this video by him, oh yeah Mike get ready

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alex-the-bringer-of-chaos · 11 months

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Ok, since there's been a lot of infighting (for some fucking reason) over Mike's sexuality, allow me to state something: Who cares? As long as that bitch isn't straight and ends up with El there will be a satisfying story with good narrative being told.

Please finish reading before getting pissed off :D.

I understand that people want to see themselves represented (bitch I'm aroace and agender, I get it), but we don't need to fight over it. Make your analysis and why you think a certain way, but no need to attack one each other.

Now I gotta say something else: I don't care what Mike's sexuality is, as long as he ends up with Will. The reason for that, you ask? Well simple:

Independent el and byler endgame is the only happy and right ending - I've said that numerous times and the narrative agrees with it.

I'm saying this not because I think that his sexuality is irrelevant or cause I don't care about his character arch, quite the contrary. I think that, regardless of him being gay, bi, pan, queer or unlabeled, Mike will have a satisfying storyline and character arch. A good one, that will make sense with the narrative of the show. And we will get to analyze it. A thing that won't happen if he's straight and milkvan is endgame - cause that would be a shit story due to garbage narrative.

Now obviously some people have their reasons for preferring and believing in one outcome over the other, and that's okay, as long as your not a pussy and a little bitch about it. That's all. Thanks for reading folks. Please don't come at me with pitchforks if you wanna hate, just block me.

#byler #and for those curious #i personally hc mike as demi(romantic/sexual)#he's gay/queer/unlabeled/bi to me for all i care #though i strongly believe he was never into el and just confused platonic attraction with romantic #cause amatonormativity is a bitch and i also like to push my sexuality into characters that don't have a confirmed one #and i also think el confused her feeling as well #both for their own reasons that make sense with the narrative and i'm just to lazy to write down an analysis on #but even if they were ever attracted to each other #they were never in love #that's something you'll never change my mind on #and neither the following statement #independent el and byler endgame is the only happy and right ending #stranger things #mike wheeler #gay mike wheeler #bi mike wheeler #queer mike wheeler #unlabeled mike wheeler #anti mileven #anti m*leven #tw cussing

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