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We have made a server based in the Rainbow Planes Universe, a roleplay premise where people have powers based on their identities and labels!

We are recruiting for other initiative centers for the various communities under the overall LGBT+ Umbrella; namely for monospec aligned and intersex initiative centers!

This post is a recruitment message for those who would like to found in-universe initiative centers and create lore for these other communities.

We have some guidelines:

1. It needs to be called [blank] initiative center to match the naming scheme we have going.

2. The discord server needs to be called “Rainbow Plane: [blank] Division” to match the naming scheme.

3. Lore you create needs to comply with existing lore.

4. You need to work with us on building your server/nitiative center, and periodically update us on your progress.

5. It cannot be located in the Void, as this would conflict with existing lore.

6. Do not use lizards/reptiles as that is for the @trans-nonbinaryinitiativecenter

7. People of multiple communities have access to multiple initiative centers.

8. In our server we have areas for non-[blank] community members to interact with community members, and we expect that you make the same provisions in your server.

9. We reserve the right to ask you to step down if we feel your progress is too slow or if you do not respect the lore and roleplay premise we have built so far.

10. Please fill out this application form and we will contact you when you have done so. 

You can contact us on this tumblr blog or in the Rainbow Plane: Aspec Division server for more details.

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Does “intersexism” mean “the condition of being intersex” or “bigotry against intersex people”? Asking because it sounds like either to me, and I want to know which I should be using it for.

Also, what does “dyadic” mean? Is it like a synonym for “perisex” (AKA “not intersex”)?

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The whole thing is golden but we *are* part of the queer community. (Who? Who told you the opposite?) That point was way too off on your list, what a shame...

Before i even tackle why i worded it like that, let me start off with something:

I do not care that some people are okay with the word qu**r, and that some people even use it as a label for their identity. I will 100% respect those people’s decisions and identities.

but i don’t like being indirectly called qu**r by strangers and would prefer it not be called the “qu**r community”

because the last time a stranger called me qu**r, i nearly got the shit beat out of me outside of a gas station. 

Anyway.

 You may personally believe that Intersex is LGBT+, but not everyone holds that same belief or want, and you should respect that.

Who told me that we arent a part of the LGBT+ community? 

The Intersex community and other Intersex activists told me that! B
ecause i’m an active member in several groups of intersex discussions on discord and other social media platforms. 

Half of us consider ourselves LGBT, half don’t from what i’ve seen.

Some intersex people are also LGBT+ because of the way being Intersex affects their gender identity and sexuality and that’s 100% okay. Intergender is part of the trans umbrella, and therefore LGBT+ i get that.

Personally, I am Two-Spirit, and being Two-Spirit is NOT LGBT+ because it’s a cultural identity made in order to keep native culture alive and separate from Non-Native American concepts of LGBT+.

Being Two-Spirit and being LGBT cannot coexist within my specific culture, i can relate heavily to bisexual and transmasc individuals, but i will never label myself that way in order to preserve my original culture before colonist contact.

Because of that, I view my Intersex identity more as a medical condition that influences my Two-Spirit identity to some degree.  

You should respect Intersex people’s personal opinions on that instead of coming into their inbox and telling them that they’re wrong.

I highly doubt that you’re intersex if you’re not aware of this intercommunity debate. and if you are, i assume you haven’t spoken to very many other intersex people.

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If there is one you’d like to see that I didn’t include, please let me know, and I’ll make it!

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Just a close-up from the Stevonnie pic because I’m rather proud of their guitar.

Also I wasn’t sure about adding their facial/body hair at first but then after looking on a forum for a screenshot of their beard in that one episode, there was a comment from someone saying how they thought it was “disgusting” to show them like that. So I gave them more.

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(this was a prompt given to me by @j-uwu-ish for their intersex nonprofit group ^w^)

(Perisex means someone who is not Intersex)

To start out I would like to lay out a disclaimer that what I believe would be good treatment may not be congruent with what all Intersex people would prefer, as I am just one person in a pool of thousands of intersex people who exist today. We do not exist as a hive mind; however, I would assume most of us do agree on most of the bigger issues of better treatment. In this essay I will lay out what I believe would be ideal treatment in medical and societal settings, as well as how to approach intersex people in conversations, and terminology I would rather be commonplace for our community and society as a whole.

 As for medical settings, I believe good treatment for us would start at birth. Any unnecessary surgery that does not have to do with our survival, such as surgeries to help with menstrual or urinary issues, should be completely off the table and never performed until the intersex person is older and can make decisions for themselves.

This means doctors need to stop performing cosmetic surgeries and hormonal treatments on babies both at birth and throughout early childhood. Doctors should never try to fit an Intersex baby into one of two categories at birth. Instead they should provide the parents with proper educational material on Intersex conditions and resources on the Intersex community. Doctors should never push older Intersex people into cosmetic surgery they don’t desire or need either.

 I also believe doctors need to be up to date with both Intersex and Transgender terminology, as well as cultural gender identities like Two-Spirits, Mahus, Hijiras, Muxes, Fa’afafines, and Jewish specific genders, as a part of mandatory medical school training. I would like to walk into a general doctor’s office and be asked what pronouns I prefer and what terms to use for my body before a doctor just guesses, possibly incorrectly. Being Intersex does not always mean you are Transgender, but a lot of the time the two communities overlap, and doctors need to be conscious of that.

Hormone replacement therapy and Gender confirmation related surgeries need to be easily accessible to Intersex people without jumping through a million hoops and needing to get letters from therapists who are often gatekeepers and enforcers of the gender binary. These treatments and surgeries need to be free and considered non-cosmetic, as a lot of the time these surgeries can be lifesaving with one’s mental health and the high rate of mental illness and suicide that exists in both Intersex and Transgender people.

 I also would like transgender people to stop using Intersex people as pawns in arguments about transgender specific issues and completely ignoring our separate oppression. Intersex people existing does not justify perisex transgender and nonbinary identities. We are two separate communities and you cannot choose to identify as Intersex, you are simply born that way. Intersex people are not a part of the LGBT community, we have not yet made a collective decision to join the LGBT community. We are still a new community and working on our own issues and oppression first.

When it comes to society, I believe perisex  people need to understand that we don’t need to be fixed and we are not broken or defective. Perisex people also need to understand that we are not always genderless or nonbinary and that some of us are cisgender and identify with one of the binary genders.

Society needs to recognize us not as a rarity, because that is a harmful myth that leads people to minimize our issues and mistreatment. Intersex is a common thing and always has existed within human biology and has also existed and been treated respectfully within select cultures and select religious practices for centuries.

 A lot of transgender rights struggles can overlap with Intersex rights struggles, a commonality between both of our communities is the belief that everyone should be referred to with they/them pronouns and neutral wording until you know a person’s personal pronoun and wording preferences. Asking someone’s pronouns should be a mandatory part of new interactions with anyone, even between two perisex cisgender heterosexual people in order to normalize Intersex and Transgender people.

 They/Them singular pronouns are not difficult to use and are grammatically correct according to official dictionaries everywhere. The using of “He/She” and “He or She” in all writing materials to refer to an unknown person needs to be collectively abolished for the entire English language.

Gender markers on licenses and legal documents are largely unneeded and unnecessary. These markers either need to be completely abolished or have several more options. Personally, as a Two-Spirited Intersex person, I would not feel comfortable with a marker that reads “N”, and I am not comfortable with my current “F” marker either. If I had no gender marker or had a “TS” or “I” marker in its place I would be a lot more comfortable.

However for safety reasons, this could lead to discrimination or violence in a situation where a police officer/customer service worker asks to see an Intersex person’s license and notices a letter other than “F” or “M”, especially if the license holder is also a person of color. This leads me to lean more to the side of complete removal of the gender marker system.

 Gender neutrality and gender nonconformity is often shunned in society, if you don’t fit one of two boxes in presentation you are actively in physical danger in public settings. A lot of Intersex people will never be able to physically fit perisex expectations of gender presentation no matter how hard we may try, and because of that we are at an increased risk of violence.

A good amount of us feel most comfortable presenting in a neutral way, and we do not need to change. However, society itself needs to become comfortable with seeing people who don’t fit the binary and rid itself of violent reactions to this. This means we need more positive representation of gender nonconformity in every form of media.

Educational resources on Intersex people need to be readily accessible for perisex people to access, in order to educate themselves and become allies.

In conclusion, good treatment for Intersex people would look like a society where we are born, allowed to exist as close to our natural bodies as possible, grow older and are given access to whatever resources we would like for our own bodies, and shown the same respect as others in society.

We would be given the same opportunities regardless of what we present as.

We wouldn’t have to fear violence or judgement for wearing the clothing we prefer or using pronouns that are not typical.

 A place where the everyone views us as just another part of life and human biology.

A world where Intersex biology is included in general sexual education and normalized.

We would put much less importance on gender constructs.

 A world where Intersex is a commonplace term and everyone is properly educated on our community.

A world where and we are understood, respected, and visible.
What would good treatment look like for intersex people?
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Why is there a cutoff between people who are intersex by medical definitions and perisex people who have some physical traits that are totally outside of “normal” and get bullied for it? Isnt the difference artificial and a continuous spectrum? Why does the intersex community seem so strict about the borderline and enforcing medical definitions from what I’ve seen?

That’s actually a really good question. I’m not an expert and I can’t speak for the whole intersex community, but I can answer based on my own opinions for what I’ve experienced in intersex communities both online and irl. 

I think the reason that there is a cutoff between people who have intersex conditions and people who have some traits that are outside of “normal” is because human biological diversity is so vast, and there’s no one ideal perfect “female” or “male” set of sex characteristics. Ideally, intersex people would love it if people could move away from seeing biological sex as a binary, and instead see it as a spectrum with a wide amount of variation. So, even within what is considered typically “male” and “female,” there will inevitably be variation within those definitions of what it typical. 

However, the reason why intersex is still a useful term, and why the intersex community is still sticking to the definition as sex characteristics that are outside what is considered typically male or female, is that the intersex community is an incredibly vulnerable community that faces a lot of oppression and abuse. Intersex people face unique concerns due to our intersex conditions, both from the physical aspects that can be life threatening without treatment, and from the medicalized abuse and institutional oppression that we face. Intersex people need to be able to find community support, and also be able to raise awareness as a collective and form communities that can push for activism that benefits not just intersex people, but all people who are faced with stigma for their sex characteristics. I don’t want to minimize the prejudice that you and other people who have slight variations in sex characteristics face, as I understand that is a very real problem that often intersects with racism, sexism, transphobia, and fat phobia, but intersex people have specific concerns created by the medical treatment we need and the oppression we face that at this moment, necesistaes our own community and labels. The intersex community is so small and disjointed at the moment, and intersex activism is still really struggiling to succeed, with most people not even knowing what intersex is, making it really important that we can have our own spaces to be able to build a strong coalition where activism can succeed.

This isn’t entirely related to your question, but I think another reason that intersex people tend to be strict about creating a distinction between intersex and perisex is that there is a long history of perisex/dyadic people forcing their way into intersex communities or faking being intersex. I’ve personally experiences this both online and in in-person communities. Especially within LGBTQ communities, I’ve seen multiple dyadic people fake being intersex in an attempt to see more legitimate in discourse, or from trans people who think that being intersex would make them being trans more legitimate. (note- I’m both intersex and trans, so I am speaking on this issue from both these perspectives.) I think the intersex community tends to be defensive towards perisex people, just because we’ve had a lot of bad experiences in the past. 

My personal philosophy is that even if you aren’t intersex, you’re still welcome to reach out to intersex communities for support about things like facing prejudice for slight variations outside of an artificially created norm. This blog supports perisex people facing those challenges and will always be a resource for perisex people to reach out to about these issues. I just ask that when in intersex spaces, clarify your relationship to being intersex and do not identify as intersex when you are not. 

Ideally, sometime in the future maybe intersex won’t have to be such a strictly defined term, when the biological spectrum of sex is accepted, people are aware that there is no such thing as “normal” when it comes to sex, and we can move to viewing intersex as just another distinct variation of sex, albeit one that can require medical treatment. Until intersex issues are more widely known and intersex activism can reach some of the goals we’re striving towards, defining and creating intersex communities is still a vital, important goal. 

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Hi, my name is 封条 (Fēngtiáo) and I am intersex. I identify with the term 阴阳人 (Yīnyáng Rén) which is described to be a "slur" directed towards the intersex Chinese community. I would really like help reaching out to other (preferably Chinese [descent]) intersex people to create a flag for this reclamation of an identity. OII-Chinese itself has worked towards a reclamation of this, and I'd like it to be more widespread. Please contact me @joudais (it is empty because it is a side blog!) Thank you!

Hi! I’m not Chinese, but any followers who want to reach out, please do!

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Do you have any resources on a) how to best explain transgenderness without tokenizing intersex experience or b) common things people get wrong about intersex people when incorporating the fact that a spectrum of “biological sex” exists for explaining transgenderness?

Hi! 

I don’t really have any specific resources, although I would suggest checking out https://4intersex.org/#yourself, which has a bunch of resources about educating yourself. 

The main thing I’d say is that you don’t really need to use intersex issues to explain that transgender people exist. Although there is a lot of overlap between intersex and trans issues, they are still two separate things, and you can explain that there are more than two genders and that trans people exist based on other things besides intersex experiences. 

The best way to avoid tokenizing intersex experience when talking about trans issues is just not to bring up intersex people to prove that trans people exist. 

If you are talking about the spectrum of biological sex, the best way to avoid tokenizing intersex people is to make sure to link to websites run by intersex organizations, use the word intersex, and explain a little bit about intersex activism. Essentially, show that you support intersex people beyond just what we can do for other people’s arguments. 

Common things that people get wrong about intersex people include: 

- saying that intersex people are “a mix of male and female” or have “both male and female parts.” That’s not true. Intersex people have a variety of different variations that are outside the typical range of what’s considered “male or female,” but we don’t have both “male and female parts”

- That every intersex person has ambiguous genitalia. That’s not true! Although many intersex people do, many intersex people have differences in hormones, chromosomes, or other sex characteristics that aren’t genitalia

-It really bugs me when people just list off things like “did you know there’s people who have This particular chromosome combination or this particular disorder! Isn’t this so wild and strange!” but then they don’t actually use the word intersex. Just use the word intersex, and if you’re describing specific intersex conditions, don’t use language that frames it as weird. 

Please feel free to ask if you have any other questions. 

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Do you know of any other intersex support blogs?

Unfortunately, there aren’t many other active intersex support blogs. I’d suggest checking out @intersapphic, which is a positivity blog. @interactyouth is InterAct’s tumblr, but they aren’t very active. If there’s any intersex individuals who are comfortable being added to a resource list as people who offer intersex support, please let me know, and I can start a masterlist of intersex blogs. 

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Are there terms the community uses to refer to "ambiguous genitalia" that isn't that? Because I'm getting very tired of referring to the entirety of my genitals as ambiguous and it can get frustrating trying to discuss sexual health with doctors and other people when I end up having to isolate discussing vaginal health and penile health or whatever my doctor decides needs to be looked at. My own research hasn't turned up much, nor have I found an agreed upon idea of what ambiguous genitals are.

I don’t think there really is any other terms that the community uses, besides specific terms to describe whats going on (like clitromegaly and micropenis). I definitely see what you mean about how ambiguous genitalia can be sort of vague and frustrating to use, although I do understand why people started using it as a umbrella term rather than relying on more stigmatizing terms. I’d be curious to know if any other intersex people have heard of other terms to use, or if you all have any suggestions. 

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It is so vital that intersex spaces are critical of transmisogyny and are actively welcoming of CAMAB intersex experiences. Too often, the intersex narrative is CAFAB centric, and although CAGAB labels aren’t the best ways to describe our experiences, it’s so crucial that we make space for CAMAB intersex people. 

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I’m an intersex male with hormone issues, I was gendered incorrectly at birth so would I have to go through the same process as trans males? As I will essentially be socially transitioning

If you’re talking about transition, I would discuss this with your doctor, but I think the answer will quite possibly be yes - it might depend on your specific circumstances, but I’m aware of a few people with intersex conditions (either known about beforehand or discovered once they start transitioning) who have been through the gender clinic pathway.

You may also, if you haven’t already, want to get in touch with some UK intersex support and advocacy groups,  as they will no doubt have members who have been through the process of transition.

UK Intersex groups (from Scottish Trans)

~ James

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