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#it seemed like quackity was giving better compromises in tubbos stream
earmuffstar · 3 years
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the thing that really gets me about the las nevadas vs cookie outpost thing today is that neither of them legitimately hold any ill will towards the other. tubbo doesnt actually want to attack quackity and quackity said that he’d give tubbo was the only person he’d give the benefit of the doubt, but theyre unwilling to compromise because they’ve both been hurt to much to trust each other.
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noobsomeexagerjunk · 3 years
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"MAKE THE SERVER BETTER. This is what I need to do."
An Analysis on Ranboo's Philosophy and Vision for the Dream SMP
One of the most consistent traits about Ranboo is his inconsistency, especially in his beliefs and choices, all influenced within the moment.
Now I was thinking back to when Ranboo had that explicit desire for a "happy family" when it became clear to us that he and Dream seem to share similar goals and desires for the server. It's been a few months since that stream, and Ranboo's gone through some changes as a character. Through experimentation, he relearns and rediscovers himself, most of it away from us particles. He now has the experience to choose people more discriminatingly, having a gauge on who still believes and/or benefits from his optimism and those who don't.
With a better grasp on his more persuasive and ambitious self, as well as a slightly stronger spine, I am going to attempt to make sense of what Ranboo's opinions most likely must be by now, having been in the server for half a year now.
1. "You have to think for yourself sometimes."
(from Ranboo’s first conversation with Slimecicle, 06/18/2021)
So you know how Ranboo is an anarchist, or at least identifies as such, at least within the context of the Anarchist Syndicate, right?
One of the most significant things we must pay attention to is Ranboo's anarchist tendencies. Based on his general experiences but particularly his conversation with Slime and his initiation to the Syndicate, Ranboo cares heavily about personal autonomy and the right to self-expression and self-preservation. His aversion to factional sides was initially derived from the existing factions he was exposed to being unfair and demanding of its members, as reflected in his experiences in New L'Manburg.
It's upon further inspection that these sympathies constitute his concerns over People. It's why he fights for and sides with People in general, as a concept and principle.
2. "Why can’t I have friends on opposite sides?!"
(from Ranboo’s Pre-Doomsday speech after the Community House confrontation, 01/05/2021)
Something Ranboo also believes in is the idea that everyone is valuable and capable of many things unique to themselves. Therefore, he recognizes and gives (as much as he could muster) care to Peoples' needs, concerns, and beliefs, most especially when he is demanded of it by whoever asks of him. He values loyalty toward friendships and relationships in their base form, as opposed to causes. (Especially relationships made from and because of causes.)
Another reason why Ranboo despises factional sides, especially the ones he was a part of, is that these sides' own beliefs and principles believe themselves to be above the other and vice versa. Ranboo's ability to recognize two (if not more) sides of an argument leads him to value both sides to such an extent that he believes one is not above the other. To him, People—individuals with inherent value and free will—are more than the causes—whose necessity changes over time and can only be a solution to specific, changing problems—they believe in.
3. "When the leader gets corrupted, then...we'll see what happens."
(from Ranboo's monologue after speaking with Ghostbur on the topic of killing Dream, 03/15/2021)
Something of particular fascination is Ranboo's dislike for leaders as a concept, a belief shared only by Technoblade and the rest of the Anarchist Syndicate. For them, and Ranboo, leaders are at the end of the day People. They are infallible and capable of making wrong choices. The very concept of a leader, too, suggests superiority in the ability and the dependence on only the causes of that leader, chosen or not. To them, no one should be above or below anybody. A leader creates that distinction.
An ideal SMP for Ranboo is one without leaders, where one's choices and manner of living, as dictated by their beliefs, is not above one or the other. In comparison, many characters who have expressed their visions of an ideal Dream SMP all have a leader in them!
We have Dream, who wants a server that fits his specific vision and needs and desires, a server that serves him, with his and only his vision of an ideal SMP—one where he has total control over all of the server. A less extreme version of this is held by the de-facto head of the neutral Badlands, BadBoyHalo.
Characters like Quackity, Schlatt, and Jack Manifold all believe in the concept of adherence and obedience to order and law as means to get something done. It also makes sense why these three also have a history of being quite literally Presidents of countries, whether corrupt like Manburg, discarded like Manifoldland, or ambitious like Las Nevadas.
There are also other leaders like Wilbur, Eret, and Tubbo, who have a partiality to order and leadership. The difference with them is that they believe in relative leeway in priority towards the ruled-over people. They believe in an SMP wherein a leader and their people share a mutual obligation towards each other's benefit and progress. Whether a cause that can help should be involved may be of consideration too, because as far as I know, these three mastered each of the 3 facets of the Greek art of persuasion:
Wilbur, in particular, is a heavy advocator of the use of cause in leadership, hence his use of speech to give rise to emotions, aka pathos.
Tubbo leans towards common sense and reason, having a tendency to use logos.
Eret is partial to a more general sense of righteousness, therefore basing many of his actions on the character of the people around him and having a strong focus on their and their subjects' own ethos.
4. "Who am I?" "I am somebody who stops conflict."
(from page 12 of Ranboo's current memory book)
Despite these differing ideas on what is good for the SMP, the one thing everyone has in common is that they all want a server where peace, to their standard and contentment, is achieved.
For Ranboo, this means no Conflict.
Bear in mind that he admits in his pre-Doomsday speech that Conflict can never be truly eradicated, acknowledging that personal conflicts between individual persons are still bound to happen.
Though, as stated in his various monologues in regards to killing Dream (particularly when he was grieving Tommy and after talking with Ghostbur) the Conflict he desires to get rid of is the big, overarching kind.
These are Conflicts that disrupt the happiness of, if not all, significant numbers of People. Conflicts that perpetuate a cycle of unnecessary violence, conflicts that escalate from the pettiest of disputes, conflicts rooted in a refusal of a person/faction/cause to simply coexist with everyone else.
This is Ranboo's major goal in reference to the whole of the server. This is a major motivation for all of his decisions and actions too.
5. “It should be all of us working together.”
(from page 14 of Ranboo’s first memory book)
When Ranboo explicitly repeated wanting "one big happy family," words that came out of Dream's own mouth, he's describing his vision of an ideal Dream SMP. It can be argued that he and Dream have the same goals, right?
Well, obviously, not quite.
Dream and Ranboo have very different visions for the server, the common thing being their determination to get everyone to cooperate with their vision no matter what. We see the vague and ominous actions of Ranboo while Enderwalking, how much bolder and aggressive he can get. He's seemingly more dedicated to this goal that way.
Based on the previous points, Ranboo's vision of a better Dream SMP is one where everyone exists as they are, freely and without division, where no one is above or below the other, and that they can put their dedications to causes aside for care and love for each other. People regardless of skill or situation just living together peacefully! where the Conflict is not big enough to harm but big enough to constitute what it means to be alive! No one's telling the other how to live because they understand and respect each other's choices and differences!
With how he approaches the fulfillment of this ideal, I dare say he does indeed fight for something, and it's the cause of all causes.
But what about those other people who aren't so compromising? Well, I wager those are the people Ranboo ought to snap against. Ranboo's ideal SMP is rooted in coexistence, therefore it demands compromise and tolerance. Funny just how many people on the server fight for causes that refuse to give that.
Ranboo definitely knows he can't achieve the server he wants alone, and knowing everyone else, he knows getting everyone to get along will be much harder in execution.
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justalittlelemony · 3 years
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tubbo lore stream thoughts arranged in a vaguely linear format
so today's lore was incredible and I feel like I just got shot up with adrenaline I'm so excited for this development
just to be clear, I am fully on c!tubbo's side just because in my eyes, he can do no wrong, but I get c!quackity's argument and I don't think his actions were unjustified
but anyway, one of the things I noticed while watching was that the sticking point seemed to be the wall
(referring to dsmp characters from this point on unless otherwise stated)
There are a few times where Quackity and Tubbo almost get to an agreement, but then Quackity tells him that the wall around the outpost has to go, and Tubbo immediately backs out. While watching, I kind of thought this was such a small and kind of petty thing, on both sides, to get hung up about. But, based on my knowledge of c!Tubbo, this makes sense.
The outpost, as a whole, is pretty reckless. It started as something small, only meant to be a kind of "hidey hole" for Tubbo to keep an eye on Las Nevadas, but it quickly grew into a large, imposing structure with a lava gate. Anyone with half a brain and eyes could tell that it is more than an innocent cookie shop. This recklessness is indicative of his current priorities.
Tubbo is currently prioritizing security over safety.
Safety is the much more passive and peaceful route of the two. It involves staying out of war or conflict at pretty much any cost. This is very much the position that Tubbo carried during his presidency. President Tubbo would probably agree to take down the walls or to any one of Quackity's compromises, regardless of what he wanted. However, Tubbo lived through his presidency, saw what happened to New L'Manberg, and still holds a lot of guilt over his decisions during that time.
Security, on the other hand, deals more with preparing for the worst. One of the first examples of this attitude came in the form of the nukes, which Tubbo himself said were not necessarily meant to be used as weapons, but as deterrents to keep others from attacking him. The outpost also functions as an example of this because although it started as a small covert place, once Tubbo realized that it was too large he went full in on making it intimidating and adding walls and a lava gate. This idea of security is more assertive than that of safety and it keeps him from being pushed around much like he was during his presidency. However, it also comes at the cost of starting conflicts and jeopardizing his relationship with others, in this case, Quackity.
This focus on security is intriguing because this isn't the first time it's happened. During the Pogtopia arc, had Tubbo just gone with Tommy and Wilbur instead of staying in Manberg, he would have been 100% safer. However, he knew it was a better option to spy for Pogtopia to help get L'Manberg back, but it ended up costing him his life.
I think Tubbo has made this connection, either consciously or unconsciously, which is why he decided to tell Ranboo about the festival. Although, of course, Tubbo opening up had to come with a caveat, this time being the expectation that Ranboo wouldn't remember it (which is so in character for c!tubbo it hurts, cc!tubbo giving us consistent characterization my beloved /parasocial). But what I also find interesting about this moment is that although Tubbo makes it clear that he doesn't want Ranboo to remember his execution, he does tell him to take note of Quackity's involvement.
Tubbo is a very analytical and logical person, but he also represses his emotions, at points to an extreme degree. This can result in him only processing traumatic events in ways that he deems useful and shoving the rest to the side. A great example of this, again, is Snowchester and the nukes. L'Manberg was destroyed by Technoblade for being a government, so Tubbo made sure that Snowchester wouldn't be a government. The complete and total destruction of L'Manberg by Technoblade, Dream, and Philza caused Tubbo to develop the nukes to have some sort of protection. He looks at it in terms of problems and solutions. This is why he keeps expanding the outpost, why he built a wall. He's trying to fix problems and have more security. The way he sees it is the more intimidating he and Snowchester looks, the less likely people are to mess with him or it.
Unfortunately, now Quackity and Las Nevadas feel threatened, and I, for one, can't wait to see how this all turns out.
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stellocchia · 3 years
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I gotta give claps to Big Q for all the streams of today. But, I'll be honest I don't think I can keep seeing the outpost conflict. I know it's roleplay, but I felt really stressed in Tubbo's stream and really bad in Ranboo's stream. Some of Quackity's lines give me some bully vibes, and that could be the intention! I want to be also on the side of Las Nevadas but man it made me feel weird. But I know I gotta see it to have a good opinion about it. Ah! Sorry for the rant.
I've missed Ranboo's stream, but I wasn't really feeling those vibes from Tubbo's?
Like, I feel like they were both being assholes to each other and both were equally unwilling to compromise. Though Quackity did seem more prone to it and he had a better case on that whole outpost ordeal.
But I do have to catch up on Ranboo's stream so my mind is not quite made yet!
That said, of course, I'm pretty sure you can find recaps if the streams make you too uncomfortable, no need to push yourself to watch them.
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