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#jack is chuck theory
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It just hit me.
The older brother dies on a hunt like any other, believing he did not deserved to be saved. The younger brother burns him on a pyre and tries to live his life, going through the motions without finding any fulfillment in it. He dies too. The angel is back, serving in Heaven. The nephilim is out of the picture. This is exactly how Chuck would've written the ending—right back to where they started
The Chuck won truthing is hitting hard.
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chuckwon · 3 months
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I was randomly thinking about this little tidbit again and realized I never posted this video on here, so I thought I'd give you all psychic damage tonight.
Misha: “Obviously Chuck would be younger [in The Winchesters], and he’d be played by a…” Jensen: “Somebody much younger than Rob Benedict, like Alex Calvert.” –August 2022 (The Winchesters started airing in October 2022 and ended in March 2023)
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Yeah... that checks out.
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carveredlunds · 7 days
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Well, if you're going to meddle in things, finish what you started. After this, it's time to get around to the "there'll be peace when you are done" part of the song.
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bloodydeanwinchester · 5 months
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i just dont understand how ANYONE could have watched the last two episodes of supernatural and thought that jack got a happy ending. like he is what three years old and he had to give up who he is his family everything to become god??? that ending was seriously sad and fucked up and in NO WAY a win for jack. so yeah the only explanation that makes that ending make any sense at all to me is if chuck really won.
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rainsongdean · 1 year
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okay but the way jack was dressed like chuck and seemed Off... here's how chuck won theory can still win
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soullessjack · 6 months
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okay but like. cogs turning .. last holiday truthing cwt maxxing… the sheer difference in dialogue between the script and the episode is killing me. the deliberate choices made to change said dialogue and even the ending…
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like am I alone in thinking that this whole exchange in the dungeon was very oddly disjointed? very “nobody fucking talks like that” core. they just say shit but it doesn’t land with the other’s response.
and especially when you compare it to the draft:
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for some reason or another, the writers deliberately cut out jack’s lamentation that he is still dangerous, that mrs butters is right to be doing what she’s doing, and that nothing has been the same between him and the Winchesters since he’s come back. they deliberately cut out dean saying “you’re one of us, and you have a chance to make it right.”
there’s also the glaring difference between how sam and dean defend jack in the episode vs the draft. in the draft, they say this:
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D: “You said you didn’t want to destroy this family, but Jack is our family.”
S: “You hurt him, you hurt us.”
Mrs B: “No, he’s infected you. I have to keep you safe.”
D: “By trying to kill the people we care about?”
Mrs B: “No, he’s a monster!”
D: “Aren’t we all?”
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not only do sam and dean say that jack is their family and someone they care about, but they also explicitly hold themselves on the same monster totem mrs butters holds jack to (much like what dean said in tombstone, “we’ve all done things, so if you’re a monster then we are too,”
…which all then gets cut and turned into “He can save the world.” no, don’t kill jack, he’s our family and we care about him and he is good despite his mistakes -> no, don’t kill jack, he can save the world.
the explicit choice to center jack’s worth on his usefulness rather than his inherent value as the winchesters’ family and even just as a person, rlly speaks so much to the way he’s essentially narratively doomed to be dehumanized as a tool/weapon/device.
and the fact that this is all eventually preceded by Cas saying “you never needed absolution from sam or dean or me. we don’t care about you because you’re useful or because you fit into some grand design. we care about you because you’re you,” (which in turn is preceded by jack fitting into a grand design and fucking off to the raindrops forever), makes it seem either a painful inconsistency or some weird twisted inside joke between the writers (cough season 16 cough cough puke).
I haven’t posted about it a lot but I truly think there’s some vast trapped-in-the-narrative horror working around jack constantly being dehumanized both within the show as a living weapon and by the writers themselves as a plot device.
shits wack I guess
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dire-roach39 · 4 months
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calibrationneeded · 1 year
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Reasons I think Jack is actually Chuck pretending to be Jack, coming from someone who has not watched a single episode of The Winchester’s and only knows about it from gif sets and posts 
1. He does that little thing that Chuck does when he’s being a smug bastard where he kind of glances up to the side and pulls in his lips, making the white people face TM
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2. He dresses a lot like Chuck, I mean, when have we not seen Jack dress like the odd hippie kid from an 80s sitcom?  I feel like him all the sudden just wearing a tan suit jacket is really out of character. 
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3. The fact he quoted carry-on my wayward son, I really don’t feel like Jack would know that song, and we know for a fact that Chuck has associated the song with his books because in the musical episode, they sing the song
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4. If it were really Jack, he would’ve immediately ran right up to Dean and hugged him not just stood and stared at him, Jack is a sweetie pie and likes to show affection. He wouldn’t just look at Dean like he’s a coworker
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5. He didn’t give us his “I eat nickels” vibe
So, my running theory is that when Jack absorbed Chuck’s power, he was just essentially possessed by Chuck, because if we’re going off a philosophical standpoint, in order for a being to be god it can’t be a being with power. It has to be the physical embodiment of that power. So for Chuck, just to be a being with power would contradict him being God (though I don’t think that the supernatural franchise has looked into philosophy that much tbh) anyways, I’m insane
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13x02 · 8 months
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jack is a diminutive of john. jack is a war veteran same as john. jack wants revenge so very desperately. losing mary brings him to a mental break where he hallucinates nonstop.
jack has gold eyes. they flash in the dark. mary believes in him despite his blood. mary dies to two yellow eyed creatures.
jack stands in front of dean and bobby. he says that this is time for the last part of the song. he sounds exactly like his grandfather. he'd dressed just like him too. his smile is wrong
jack's john and jack's azazel and jack's chuck. the cycle loops right back around. it never ends.
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unhinged-jackles · 1 year
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chuck’s power corrupting jack is my new fav theory
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notreallyaroad · 29 days
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no doubt endings are hard. but then again, nothing ever really ends, does it?
we are the rest - corey taylor
inspired by @butch--dean's chuck won video (which you need to go watch)
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I actually find it more believable that Chuck noticed ONE simple behavior of Jack's that he emulates as part of his façade than that Jack has adopted Chuck's wardrobe, tone of voice, expressions, and body language totally coincidentally, signifying nothing.
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chuckwon · 2 years
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The Chuck Won analysis: a visual representation.
HERE’S THE THESIS:
The ending feels tragic because it IS. The villain wins in the story. And the writers wrote it as purposeful commentary on a situation of real-world censorship that couldn’t allow the ending the characters deserved.
Don’t take my word for it; the show told us everything we need to know.
This piece explores why this matters, in story and out of it.
You do not need ANY prior knowledge of “Chuck won” as an angle of analysis–or prior familiarity with Supernatural meta–to read this. My goal was to make understanding the totality of this concept as accessible as possible.
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carveredlunds · 1 year
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“Well, if you’re gonna meddle in things, finish what you’ve started.”
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wigglebox · 2 years
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“Okay. If I had to give one note… the jeopardy, Chuck. It’s feeling a little… thin?
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I do think that the visions that Jack showed Kelly and Cas—of paradise—before he was born were less prophetic/promising and more of a defense mechanism as a nephil, an "Abomination." And the more I think about Jack's morality and "destiny," the more I feel distraught that the series ended with him as God.
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