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shyjusticewarrior · 2 months
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Duke Thomas is the Alex Mercer of the batfam.
You know how Alex was like "these hotdogs are weird" but kept eating them with Luke and Reggie anyway? That's Duke with the other batkids. He'll be like "you're crazy for this" and then do it with them.
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no thoughts just flynns oh moment
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mouse-fantoms · 2 years
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You have just think about this scene? But like really think about it?
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It does such a good job at showing their relationship.
Julie goes into this scene to apologize for overstepping with his mom but then Luke tells her that he doesn’t mind it. Another thing they have in common with each other besides music is their mom’s. They both know what it’s like to lose that. “Both draw from the same pain.” To quote Julie. It’s such a tender moment between them when Julie smiles when she says “You always make me feel closer to my mom, wanted to do the same in return.”
It shows their common link and how much they do have in common. How they’re a pillow for each other for that pain in their life. How they can bond to each other with that pain they have.
When they reach for each other’s hand, Luke reached first, reaching for her hand to let her know that he minds not all that she ‘overstepped’. She had her hands together, possibly as a “closed off position” to show that she felt bad for overstepping but then goes to reach for his hand. She reaches because she realizes that if he’s reaching out, she’s going to take it. Almost as if to say “if he’s reaching first then that means he’s okay with the overstepping”. But then,
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Her hand falls through his.
A painful reminder of the reality of what they are. A human and a ghost. A forbidden love.
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Julie turns away, like saying ‘righttttt.’ Meanwhile Luke rolls his eyes and points out what they are, “This is an interesting little relationship you and I have.” And the looks they exchange,
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Accepting what they are but that doesn’t mean they still can’t have “an interesting little relationship.” It’s the acknowledgment that they know, they are aware that this shouldn’t be a thing with them but it’s not stopping them.
Then when Julie tells him how they’re trending on YouTube. It’s another reminder,
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He shrugs, she just said something that he has no idea what she means. Another reminder that they’re both from different times. Different decades. But Julie clarifying “That’s a good thing.” And saying that they’re bound to get calls from agents now. She’s hopeful for the future. Their (granted the band’s but it ruins my point just go with it) future.
That even though, they’re different. That even though, they’re from completely different times. That even though, they shouldn’t work, it will work.
They will work.
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chillychive · 11 months
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Can we talk about the line “life is a risk, but I will take it” in Bright?
Now, I could go on, and on about what that line means to Julie, because to her music is life, and she gave that up after her mom died. So this performance literally is her taking back her life. And it is a risk, because she was so afraid that somehow she couldn’t do music without her mother, but she does anyway. It’s hard, and she’s going to do it anyway because it’s what she loves most in the world, and how better to preserve her mom’s memory. And that in itself is beautiful, but she didn’t write the song. Luke did.
To him, music is life too. But, for him, the risk is leaving home. It’s going against his parents it’s running away in order to pursue this dream. Music is his life, and this song is him saying that pursuing music is a risk, but he’s going to do it. He’s going to go blindly into it, knowing that with his friends, his family, he can make it. 
And that’s beautiful. We talk about Unsaid Emily, as being the song that’s talking to his parents, but really, it’s all of his songs. All of them are him reaching out, trying to show them that this is his path. And not just through showing them how good he is at it, how worth it was, happy it makes him, but through songs, like bright, saying that, despite the risk, he knows this is right for him, and he’s gonna be OK.
Spoiler alert: he wasn’t.
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thestoryofusstan · 4 months
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send asks!!! i can analyze songs or write blurbs for literally anyone (at least if i know them lol) (dont send me smut or i will block you 😇😇)
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kikikiwi27498 · 1 year
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op here i absolutely agree! i was specifically talking about kenny ortega's recent comments where he said that if jatp had been renewed, julie and luke would be endgame and have kids together
(re this post and my tags on it)
I see! I think I misunderstood - yeah, I agree. I was more...trying to find some explanation for not having the boys cross over, which I assume is what would have happened if Kenny Ortega and Co were planning a one and done show. I used to be Team Juke (or at least indifferent, I'm really only committed to Willex), but now, especially after reading Tabi (@catoptrific)'s analysis here, I have some questions. I'm certainly not here to yuck anyone's yum or tell people who to ship (I'm too old and I've survived too many shipping wars) or start Discourse. It's more like, as Tabi said, what does the boys not crossing over/coming back to life say about Rose? Or anyone else who died? That they don't care enough to want to cross over? That raising their kids (in Rose's case) isn't 'unfinished business' enough to keep them as ghosts? Also does Luke age? Do any of the boys age? And, if not, how does any of this even work? What about when Julie's, say, 40 and Luke still looks 16? (For the record, I love the boys coming back to life in fic, at least the ones where the age difference isn't an issue for the fic or else the boys just age normally). I wish the show had had time to explore Julie's relationship with Reggie and Alex as well rather than focusing mostly on Juke. And, to be honest, I would rather have Bobby and Willie backstory than confirmation that Juke is endgame.
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eepybubble · 1 year
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sorry to all the people posts in other fandoms that i've hijacked and dumped a jatp analysis in the notes but also i'm not sorry
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heademptynothoughts · 2 years
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the jatp soundtrack made me feral and now i wanna do a full on analysis of the songs, kinda like i did in this post forever ago, but actually go in-depth song by song
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nottheleastbrave · 2 years
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I cannot let you get swamped with data analysis (!) on a Sunday (!!), so: 1 (for JatP), 10, 12, 15 and 27 (for JatP again), please? I realise this is a lot but you asked for procrastination. ♥️
Lolll I can't even get the packages to load properly, it's a mess.
What do you like most about participating in [fandom]?
Okay believe it or not JatP is the first fandom I've really participated in??? Despite being in fandom for a...very long time, I have usually just been a fandom appreciator who doesn't talk to anyone. So actually talking to people has been my favorite part! Y'all are the best and I love you!!! Also I just really love how f*cked up we all still are by this ghost show lol.
10. What’s a fanwork that made you cry?
Going throwback a little bit (and fuck JRK obviously) but the entire boy with a scar series really fucks me up, but particularly no place like home where Harry is raised at Hogwarts. I tear up at multiple parts of that fic. Also Contact, which makes me cry about El Hopper.
12. What’s a fanwork that changed how you view canon?
Oooooh we'll take the world (one step at a time) by the lovely @tangledstarlight because it really crystalized my feelings about protective Luke Patterson!!!
15. What three fanworks are you the proudest of making?
So I have...not made that many fan works, and my answer to this changes daily, but right now it's: 1. I've got gold stars plastered all over my forehead because it's the longest thing I've ever written and I like how I fit the JatP characters into the dynamics of Stars Hollow (and as a side quest got to try to redeem my son Jess Mariano), 2. They Just Don't Have Any Proof because writing something involving the Psych characters really feels like destiny, and 3. A couple of words lit up on a screen because I finally got to make Luke cover Hey Julie by Fountains of Wayne, which was a goal of mine for a long time.
27. What do you love about the fanworks in [fandom]?
EVERYTHING I LOVE JATP. But I especially love when fanworks manage to balance the found family and the Juke of it all. Because yes Juke is insanely in love but also they care so much about their friends, it's something they have in common!
Thank you for the procrastination it was sorely needed! Ily!!!!!
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misfits1a · 1 year
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NAVIGATING MEDIA W MULTIPLE POSSIBLE TAGS
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the umbrella academy
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my hero academia
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haikyuu!!
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mairimashita! iruma kun / m!ik (regarding the welcome to demon school iruma kun manga— screenshots; character / chapter analysis; etc.)
kuroko’s basketball
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iceadolescent · 3 years
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welcome back to Overanalysing Tiny Details: Alex’s Costume Edition
so here’s what julie wears the first time we see her. she has this snapback pulled down over her face, which demonstrates her insecurity and the state of lost identity she’s still in after her mom’s death.
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here’s how alex wears his snapback:
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his face isn’t covered at all. obviously this is partly cheesy 90s fashion, but in contrast to julie it shows us that he isn’t hiding who he is at all. he’s confident in his sense of identity and self, and he doesn’t feel he has anything to hide. despite his anxious nature, he doesn’t really shy away from himself.
another thing: alex’s signature colour is pink.
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that might not seem like a particularly big deal, especially to younger viewers, but the connotations of a queer character wearing pink are huge. for so long it was considered emasculating for a man to wear pink. i’m only eighteen, and i remember HATING the colour pink as a kid because i didn’t want to be associated with anything traditionally girly (hello, internalised misogyny & internalised homophobia!). colours like pink or purple, as ‘feminine’ colours, have a long and complex history when it comes to lgbt+ people (see the lavender scare or pink triangles as examples).
remember that kenny ortega has been working for forever on things like high school musical or descendants, which are CRAZY queercoded, especially in the costumes (a post for another time but WOW kenny ortega has like. the gay midas touch).
alex is such a strong role model in this show because these little details normalise being confident and self actualised as a queer teen/kid.
he’s not just a character who happens to be gay. there’s actually a fair bit you’d have to change if you were to make alex a straight character, some of his costume details included. moments like him dancing with dirty candy are played for comedy, but not because you’re making fun of alex: you’re having fun with him. he’s just a gay teenager who loves pop music and being a little extra, and it’s an integral part of his character without being othering.
tldr his costume is a crucial aspect of how he’s presented as a gay character and it makes me so dang happy.
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anasticep · 3 years
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Why Julie and the Phantoms is a masterpiece of a show. Part 1 of 3
· NOTE: if somehow you happen to like my gifs, please, feel free to use them. But, please, don’t crop or change.
· NOTE 2: This meta has been flourishing in my mind for quite a long time, but it was @catty-words meta on Perfect Harmony that inspired me to actually put it all on paper
· NOTE 3: I planned two parts of this, but ended up with far more gifs than a post allows. I dunno. Not sure if anyone will actually be interested in this rumbling. Probably it won’t even be a new and outstanding thinking. I’ll see how it goes.
What sets a good show apart? I’ll tell you exactly this: the pilot and the finale.
Whether it’s a season finale or a grand finale, it doesn’t matter for a scenario. People tend to forget the middle, that’s why all we remember about LOST is this weird full of dead people church that simply left the fans heartbroken. But frankly speaking, LOST ended so much better then most modern shows. And honestly I get why it’s so hard to keep track on things after 6 years and such a long row of characters. That’s why making a season in one take is so much better, when writers do not depend on what the fans think or like or ship. They simply do their job.
Do I need to say that our brain clearly remembers everything we throw at it? We think we forget, but that’s not quite true. That’s also the reason how we distinguish what we like and dislike – we remember all the small things and foreshadowing. Also that’s why we keep re-watching the shows we love: we simply acknowledge what our brain already knows. We simply find that thread that links everything together.
And they can be simple things. But first on what made this script a masterpiece for me: first and last scenes in the studio (+some things from 0102 band circle scene of 0109).
1. The Studio Intro
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In 0101 Julie hesitates to go in the garage. She was reluctant to go in the first place. It signifies everything she’s lost: mother, music, voice. She inhales deeply, steadying herself. She can do this.
In 0109 it’s quite the opposite. She wanted to go there even though she knew the guys had already crossed over. Now this place signifies everything she gained back and more: music, voice, friends and, of course, a way back to her mother. She did it.
And this is a perfect visual explanation of the line “It’s not what you lost, it’s what you gain raising your voice to the rain”
2. The Band Intro
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Can you see it the way I see it? It’s not a coincidence, it’s been done on purpose. Julie is mortified both times but for completely different reasons. In 0101 she is scared OF them. In 0109 she is scared FOR them. It’s so heartbreakingly beautiful it even hurts.
3. Personal space
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In 0101 Julie and Luke are both scared of each other. See that extra step she did to push him away? Or the way he acts as if Julie is really a witch that could curse him? And who needs any personal space in 0109? These scenes show their journey in the best way possible.
4. You have to leave
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In 0101 after accepting the fact that she was sane enough and these three ghosts really existed Julie is simply annoyed. She orders them to leave. She doesn’t what them to exist in her life. She has no time to deal with these dead cute boys. She wants them gone.
In 0109 after acknowledging that their plan has failed she also wants them gone. She orders them to leave again. But she wants to save them and for now that’s the only way she can think of. It’s better than not existing at all, even if it means not existing in her life.
And just look at the directing. The shots are almost twins! Julie mimics the scene from 0101 almost entirely, although it hits on a different level. I don't exactly know why it makes me so excited, probably I'm just very tired of mediocre scripts.
5. Maybe she’s a witch
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I’m sure she is at least to some extent. It’s such a wonderful foreshadowing. I hope in season 2 we'll find out more but I think the perception on this in "Feels like I’ve opened my eyes again" by @pink-flame is very close if not almost entirely accurate to what I thought about season 2 and all this magic thing. Such a masterpiece of a fanfiction btw, I wish I found the show sooner and was reading it chapter by chapter. One of the best things I've read so far in any fandom.
6. Attached to our souls & 7. She's warming up to us
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Do I need to say much? That’s the magic Julie has: her love for these boys. They are attached to her soul.
8. We had nowhere else to go
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To think about it, they didn’t need Julie’s permission to stay in the first place. Like… How on earth would she even get rid of them? But that’s what defined these friendship from the start. They asked for permission in 0101 and in 0109 Luke’s words are almost apologetic that they ended up in her garage again.
9. I'm sorry we came into your life
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Again, look at how both episodes have been shot. 0101 they stand apart, not knowing anything about each other yet. They both are not very comfortable with the whole situation and Luke voices what Julie might be thinking: why me? In 0109 Julie answers her past self that it was a blessing and a miracle. They are the closest they've ever got to be and the most sincere.
10. I have space for only one more gif and I'm simply fond of this parallel. We need a Witch!Julie AU)))))
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Due to the pics limit I have to stop here. But there is so much more to say. So stay tuned to see Parts two and three if you liked this one. God, I hope you did
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thedeathdeelers · 3 years
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a particular scene from wake up caught my eye and i started thinking
when julie starts playing the piano, she’s obviously very reserved & a little scared - could even go as far as to say she’s a little rusty. she’s been avoiding music for so long it’s like that part of her froze up. it’s cold and not as flexible; her fingers and her body aren’t as in sync as they used to be.
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i see this in the way they choose to portray the opening scene of the song: a dark studio, shrouded in cold tones with barely any warm light coming in - the only colour currently being used in this shot is blue: it’s a cold colour that reflects the way julie is still...well, cold.
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a minute in, this starts to change when we see julie really getting into the song. her fingers start to get more nimble, her movements loosening up a little - and this happens while the room slowly starts to warm up, the yellow of the sun peeks out behind julie as it starts to rise and seep into every corner of the room. her body and her soul are warming up just as the sun starts to enter the shot.
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as the room gets brighter, as it gets warmer, the blue hues are being chased away andas a result julie’s movements get much more dynamic- her singing more powerful and passionate as she carries on. even her piano playing looks more natural, more effortless- she’s not relying on the piece of paper in front of her, she’s not having to keep an eye on her fingers because they’re gotten reacquainted with the keys they know so well. they’ve warmed up and now they’re flowing over the keys playing so seamlessly
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and then we get to my favourite bit
the part where the sun has fully risen, where it has chased away every single blue hue that was suffocating the room at the start of this scene. the cold tones are gone, only to be replaced by warmth and sunlight
and clearly this change has fully affected julie- she stands up and she stretches out her arms - she’s soaking in the warmth and, just like it did to the room, the sun (see: music) has chased away the cold that had settled deep within her the moment her mother passed away
she’s like a flower in this scene - at the beginning she’s closed off, like a flower that hasn’t been getting the right sunlight for a long time, but as the sun rises and the rays hit her just right, the flower starts to open up, finally soaking up the sun’s rays and blooming just like it was always meant to
with the right song, making the conscious decision to let music back into her life, julie is flourishing, all the cold and doubt and grief slowly melting away
she’s alive again.
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lydias--stiles · 3 years
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I’ve talked at length about the locker scene and why I love it so much, but I haven’t focused on the fact that’s it’s awkward. They’re flirting, yeah, but it’s very tentative. Luke is still seventeen, even if he was in that dark room for twenty-five years. He was frozen in time and didn’t mature at all, hence all the stuttering when he realises he can’t just stop mid-conversation and save himself from potential embarrassment or rejection. 
This dude is petrified of being rejected, as seen by his constant desire to connect with people via music and the trauma he went through with his parents. 
So, here he goes to the girl he likes and struggles his way through a conversation that would otherwise go so easy for him, 
One, ‘cause he’s smitten. 
Two, ‘cause he can’t hide behind the one thing that makes him feel confident and in control: music. There’s no guitar to riff with, no song to put all that charisma and power in. It’s just him, with no gimmicks. It’s scary. 
And I love that he’s scared. It’s normal! Every teenager gets nervous when they talk to their crush, but we so often see smooth-talkers on screen, never once fumbling, that we’ve forgotten this is what teenagers are. 
They do strike gold, with that beautiful “I think you make me better writer.” - “I think we make each other better.”
You can see the second she says that, ADMITS THAT, it’s a confirmation for the both of them that they’re not just seeing things. This is real. Whatever they have, is real. That freaks him out - ‘cause he’s a seventeen year old ghost - and turns back to music, the only thing he can talk about without fumbling. 
Then it’s fine again and we get the glorious mirroring scene of Luke and Julie which we’ve all gone crazy about, but the HESITANCE in the moment prior is gold to me. Julie is so ready to keep the topic on music, trying to protect herself, and it’s Luke that throws them in the deep end. I love it so much. 
It honestly felt like they were going down the first drop of a rollercoaster and I can’t get over it. I will never get over this scene. 
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missmitchieg · 3 years
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*overthinks and over analyzes everything Julie And The Phantoms*
Thinking about how Carrie was the only one wearing a planet necklace and white crop top and silver shorts that didn’t match her jacket in All Eyes On Me and the only one wearing shoes that matched her outfit instead of silver shoes with white soles and (I’m pretty sure she’s the only one) not wearing the shark tooth looking necklace in Wow.
It’s obviously the best way to stand out as the leader and get attention on her, but also a good way to show she might have an influence on her that’s not an influence on the rest of the girls.
Thinking once again about Julie’s Carrie Pink sneakers in Bright and Flying Solo and the Saturn patch on the jumpsuit.
Thinking about Flynn’s Carrie Pink school dance dress and planet dress.
Thinking once again about Carries Julie Purple scribble hoodie that looks like Julie’s doodles.
Thinking about the three of them still loving and missing each other and wanting to be friends again and wearing things reminiscent of each others’ styles maybe being symbolism of that.
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you-are-constance · 3 years
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Watching through JATP again has made me realize a few things, especially with Caleb and Julie. They’re both generally colored purple (there was a really good post that elaborated on that but I can’t find it rn!!), but there’s more than just that similarity.
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Right here, in The Other Side of Hollywood, Caleb is giving his introduction to the song. He’s warming up the audience, getting them prepared for what’s sure to be a great show. And then, as the song becomes more upbeat/louder, he makes the rest of his performers enter and become visible. With a flash, they’re there.
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Remind you of anything?
Let’s take Edge of Great for example. Julie’s leading them. She has a shorter intro in this song, but it’s still there. And with the drum line, the music picks up and the guys appear with a flash behind her. In a very similar way to how it happened in the HGC. The exact same flash of light. (It’s the way that ghosts teleport in, which is why it’s the same, but still. it's more than just the flash that makes it similar)
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(and can I also add that the audience has the same reaction? even if they know what's coming - which isn't always the case - they're shocked. shocked and obviously enjoying it)
So now we’ve got the intro and how the rest of the group appears behind the lead, what next?
Well, let’s look at Julie. At each song that she performs with the band, there’s a point where her voice changes and she enters into what I like to call her ‘Rockstar Zone,’ (where her voice is in a higher range, just think of the moment in Stand Tall where she first goes “Whatever happens, even if I’m the last standing” that’s her Rockstar zone). Right then is usually when the rest of the band joins in (the only exception in Stand Tall, which is why it stands to reason that they were supposed to come in at “Whatever happens, even if I’m the last standing” but that’s for a different time).
And though it’s not as drastic of a change, Caleb’s voice does the same thing. (llliiIIIFFE IS GOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HOLLYWOOD.) He’s in that higher range throughout the song (sure, in some parts he’s back in the more moderate area, but Julie has that in a lot of the songs, too)
So what’s different? What’s the difference between them? They both give intros to their songs, they both stand in front as the rest of their group appears behind them, their voices shift and get into that higher register throughout the song. What separates them?
Caleb never shares the spotlight.
Time after time, for most all of Julie and the Phantom’s performances, Julie takes a step back and lets Luke have a solo. Or, even in Stand Tall, they all have solos. (In Flying Solo, that’s not the case, but that song is a bit of an outlier in the songs that the band performs.) Julie always takes a step back and lets the others shine.
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Sometimes she’s stepping back completely (shown above), other times, she’s sharing the spotlight directly with others (especially Luke) like in Finally Free.
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And it’s so easy for her! It’s just like second nature, to let others show their greatness. It’s not even a second thought for her to let Luke take a solo and play with Reggie or Alex. She does it automatically on their first performance together. It’s just natural!
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But Caleb doesn’t do that. He’s always at the front. He’s always leading his entire band. No one else gets to shine like he does! Not even when he’s trying to convince the guys to join his band. He’s forcing them to the stage, and giving them their moments of glory, but he’s not stepping aside to let them have it, either. He’s bringing them on, introducing them to the crowd. He’s letting them have their moments, he’s letting them shine, but it’s not at all the way Julie does it. And this:
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When Caleb says, “How do you like my new band?” as he stands (even just slightly) in front of them, he’s taking all the credit for himself.
They played the solos, they performed for the crowd, but according to that line, they belong to Caleb, and so does all the credit that they should get. Caleb doesn’t share, like Julie does. He keeps all the credit and fame for himself.
*gets off my little soapbox* thank u for listening
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