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wyrmswears · 2 months

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Ok, now that wolf jay is 80% canon, imagine that once this is over and he is back in the Team. The wolf suit (even beter if they can turn into wolves) has side efects like dog like behavior, howling or cool fangs.

ok for starters, if we actually do get wolf jay then wolf jay is becoming to me what snake jay is to half the fandom. he will be a dogboy always and forever.

so, turns out being powered up by ancient wolf-themed magic or whatever has some side effects! i love thinking about him with more animalistic behaviour!! i think while he has amnesia this is definitely more prevalent because hes a bit out of it. sort of like a wounded/sick animal; hes more aggressive, paces when stressed/frustrated, outright snarls and probably bites if hes grabbed in a fight. when hes back in the team this behaviour dies down but still surfaces when hes in a particularly bad mood or out-of-it.

howling is such a funny one. i can imagine him waking up the entire monastery because hes howling at the moon at 2am and nya is sent out to go retrieve her boyfriend from the roof. similarly on funny and mildly-inconvenient things, i bet he gets the urge to chase Everything. whenever a rabbit runs past the team, someone (probably cole) has to grab jays shoulder to stop him from running after it.

finally, re: physical changes, fangs are obviously a must. i can imagine him being not-quite vegetarian but not eating much meat at all previous to becoming a dogboy, but now he rivals wyldfyre (terrifying). i also like giving him a tail as you can tell from my art post.. it wags whenever hes happy or interested and nya thinks its the cutest thing ever.

#words so many words #IM SO OBSESSED WITH WOLF JAY IM GOING ABSOLUTELY WILD OVER THE NEWS #this is so bad i was meant to revise today but i cant concentrate. wolf jay is on the mind #ninjago jay #jay walker #ninjago spoilers #ninjago leaks #ninjago dragons rising spoilers #ninjago dr spoilers #dragons rising spoilers #ninjago dragons rising leaks #ninjago dr leaks #fighting for my life to spoiler tag this one enough #I CANT BELIEVE. I PREDICTED IT?? (predicted says the guy who didnt think it would actually happen)#peace and love on planet earth make that guy a dogboy #wyrm answers #wolf jay

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boyfridged · 1 year

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You may have already mentioned this in some of your other metas, and I just missed it, so please ignore this if it's redundant.

Do you think Bruce is projecting onto Jason by pushing him as a Robin? Obviously, Jason wanted to be Robin and was excited about it, and Bruce let Jason do other things, but (if I'm not mistaken) before Tim came into play, solidifying the whole Batman needs a Robin/support to keep him upright, Bruce and Dick becoming Batman and Robin, in the beginning, was also sort of a coping mechanism.

I think there are a few examples of Bruce enabling this kind of mindset. Like in Gotham Knights #43–44 (sorry), every time Barbara brings up Jason's inner turmoil, Bruce refocuses on his ability as a Robin; similarly, when Jason finds out about Two-Face and his dad, he is hurt, and Bruce acknowledges that but then does the same thing, zeroing in on reassuring Jason that he made a mistake but is still a good Robin.

Like, Jason got it from Bruce, but he unintentionally encouraged that kind of thinking.

oh, i definitely think that bruce is projecting on jason and that it profoundly affected jay. and, while every single one of your observations is apt, i would add that what truly made it so tragic is that he projected his own worst traits on jason while being blind to the fact that jay already shared his best qualities.

tldr: bruce projects himself on jason in terms of grief (saying that jason needs vigilantism to work his grief through) and sees his own worst traits in jason (anger) but doesn't see his own best traits in jay (compassion, love, and sensitivity). ironically, jason does end up developing all of the (projected) worst characteristics of bruce (obsessiveness, and relentlessness in pursuit of the respective perceived idea of justice). this happens even though they were barely present in his early storylines, and only ever manifested when jason was scared or lost. later, they truly came to be because of his trauma relating to vigilantism.

and the long, long version, coming with panels and quotes: under the cut.

first i want to say that the following analysis focuses very specifically on bruce's mistakes, but i don't view the overall of jay's upbringing by bruce solely in these terms. from text it is also clear that bruce deeply loves and cares about jay, and that jay enjoys being robin. now that this is clear, let's get to particularities, and start with jay's origin story.

i truly never stop thinking about the significance of bruce meeting jay in the crime alley, the place of his parents' death. there's a lot to be said about it, but here the focus is, of course, on the fact that he sees a little boy, very much similar to himself, angry and hurt, in the same scenery that brought him so much grief. and jay in some ways does appear to be a mirror of bruce's own agonies, as well as a mirror of his own inclination for seeking justice; and somehow, bruce fixates on the first one, while almost completely dismissing the latter.

bruce looks at him and assumes that the remedy to jason's pain and anger is being robin; and he doesn't stop to think about it. (it has to be noted that there's also classism at play, classism that is mostly a result of writers' own beliefs – collins did state in a couple of interviews that that the motivation behind jason's background was to make his introduction into vigilantism seem less offensive, as jason has already been exposed to crime...)

i think, in this context, it's interesting to look at the two-face storyline even closer, and from the start too. in the beginning, bruce talks of jason's 'street' roots and assumes jay would go "down the same criminal road that took his father [willis] to an early death." he also talks of jason making a lot of progress. later, in batman #411, after jason learns that willis has been killed by two-face, bruce comments that jay "has never been like this...listless...almost pouting--"

this all, along with jay's cheerful and diligent behaviour from the previous issue builds an interesting picture for us: because we essentially learn that jay has been overall an unproblematic child. bruce, of course, attributes this "progress" to the training. however, for anyone else, the logical conclusion would be that jay's quick adjustment was simply a matter of finding himself in a safe and stable environment and receiving continuous support and attention from a parental figure. i find it rather questionable that jason's personality softened down because he had something to punch in the cave–– the more intuitive explanation is of course that he was angry and quick to fight when they first met because he couldn't afford anything else and because he was scared. but months later, in a loving home, he can allow himself to drop his guard; and his cocky attitude disappears until much later.

so the rather unsettling picture that we derive is that bruce is training jay to become a vigilante in order to "channel" his (nonvisible at this point) anger into something useful and just. and he clearly links this to his own trauma in batman #416 (that’s already starlin btw), in his conversation with dick, explaining why he took jay in: “he’s so full of anger and frustration… he reminds me of myself, just after my parents were killed.” bruce also mentions that soon after their first meeting, jason helped him and "handled himself well" in the fight, but he doesn't mention that jay has ran away from a crime "school" and intended to stop injustice on his own only because he was ignored.

the theme of bruce comparing jay to himself appears again in detective comics #574 (barr), where it is approached with a much more... critical look, thanks to leslie's presence and her skepticism of bruce's actions. after jason has suffered nearly fatal injuries at the hand of the mad hatter, bruce reminisces on his own trauma and motives. he tells leslie: "i didn't choose jason for my work. he was chosen by it...as i was chosen." leslie replies: "stop that! (...) you do this for yourself... you're still that little boy (...)" then, the conversation steers to the familiar ground and the topic of anger. in bruce's words, again: “i wanted to give jason an outlet for his rage…wanted him to expunge his anger and get on with his life…” and finishes "and instead, i may have killed him."

the recognition that bruce's projection on jason and involving him with his work might have fatal consequences is, as always, fast forgotten once jay wakes up and proclaims that he wants to continue his work as robin.

but to circle back, i think there's something else worth our attention, something deeply ironic, that is showcased in that issue: that bruce has no evidence for jay's "rage." when leslie talks of bruce's past, she recalls his tendencies to get into brutal fights at perceived injustice as early as in school; when bruce talks of jason, two pictures that are juxtaposed, are that of jason fighting as robin and jason... smiling, playing baseball.

so, in the early days of jason's training and work in the field, we see bruce talking of jason's anger a lot; but we barely see it.

that being said, jay is angry sometimes– and i think your observation about how bruce deals with it is incredibly interesting and accurate.

we first see jay truly and devastatingly angry in the two-face storyline. bruce focuses on jay's reaction as robin, which is, in fact, aggressive. but something that he barely addresses is that jason's first reaction is sleeping all day, and not beating anyone to a pulp; in fact, this vengeful instinct seems to arise only when he is put right in front of two-face. and his third instinct, once the rage (very quickly) dies down after the altercation with two-face, is crying, because bruce hid the truth about willis' death from him. jay, while crying, asks bruce: "you have taken me out into combat-- but you spare me this?" in response, bruce lectures jason about how grief inspires revenge, which is, again, deeply ironic, given that jay seeking out revenge seemed to be prompted and enabled solely by the role of robin. moreover, his question suggests that at this point he saw grief ("you spare me this") and fighting as two different things.

the final is, as you said, bruce focusing on making it into a lesson on vigilantism, or, in his own words, "tempering revenge into justice." personally, i think in this way bruce directs jason to bring his grief into the field as a powering force, something that he didn't necessarily have an own incentive to do. the flash of compartmentalisation between his ordinary life and being a sidekick that jay has shown by questioning bruce's decision is lost. emotions are now a robin thing, and they have an (informal) protocol, a moral code. and when jay is confronted with an emotionally exhausting case next – the garzonas case, i believe that the focus on "tempering revenge into justice" is exactly the problem– we don't see jay crying, we see him frantic about finding the solution. this, right there, is bruce's obsessiveness, that in my opinion, was developed in jay specifically as a result of how his engagement with vigilantism combines with his deep sensitivity.

and, needless to say, his sensitivity is all the same as that of bruce – they both can't stand looking at other people hurting, they both wear their hearts on their sleeve, caring way too much – the thing is, bruce never quite acknowledges how they are similar in this matter. instead, he focuses on his sparse bursts of anger, wanting to bring jason closure in his grief the only way he knows it – in a fight for a better world. so, as you said, he focuses on jason's ability as robin.

which just doesn't work for jason. at all. we know it from how his robin run comes to an end: in the first issue of a death in the family (batman #426) alfred informs: “i’ve come upon him, several times, looking at that battered old photograph of his mother and father, crying.” to that, bruce contends: “in other words, i may have started jason as robin before he had a chance to come to grips with his parents deaths.” he also tells jay that the field is not a place for someone who is hurting; a message that is the opposite of what he's been saying for years now, and something that i imagine was difficult for bruce to conceptualise, because then he would have to question his own unhealthy tendencies. it's a bit late to come to this realisation; bruce's self-projection that caused him to worry so much about jay's anger has already turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy that will fully manifest itself in utrh, when jason does the only thing he was taught to do with grief: try to channel it into justice.

#AHHH this took me so long for no reason at all. so sorry anon <3 #anyway. i'm obsessed with your observation regarding bruce's focus on robin in the two-face storyline #i've already briefly considered it but you made me go back and reread it #and i just stared at these panels of jason in bed all day for like good 5 minutes thinking. jesus christ. jesus christ #“you spare me *this*?” <- this line is making me feel SICK TO MY STOMACH.#so maybe bruce is right when he says that he made jason like this in tfz.#and jay is of course even more right when he says that he didn't make him. he raised him #also don't apologise for bringing in gotham knights #i actually talked about it some before because it is a very good illustration of bruce projecting on jay #<- i didn't include it here bc my post was getting insanely long.#anyway back on the topic. i think it's so deeply sad that jay genuinely has no idea #that this is what bruce thinks #i think he would be DEVASTATED if he knew the way bruce fixated on the idea of his anger #hm. normal now.#thank you so much for this ask. you can tell i was delighted to answer it <3 #i actually already had a draft about it when you sent it... but i'm sooo slow with editing my word vomit #outbox #jay.zip #jay.txt #dc #jason todd #core texts

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spidey-bie · 7 months

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STOP FUCKING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, AND FUCKING LOOK AT THIS.

THIS MOTHERFUCKER CANONICALLY USING A FUCKING CELLPHONE. OUR ENTIRE UNDERSTANDING OF HIS FUCKING TECH IN HIS UNIVERSE IS OFF. WHAT THE FUCK? OHHHH MY GOD THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. IF HIS FUCKING UNIVERSE ISN'T IN GODDAMN 70S THEN HIS ENTIRE HISTORICAL EVENTS ARE DIFFERENT, THEREFORE THE CONTEXT IS WRONG. I WROTE 4000 WORDS ON THIS BITCH AND DIDN'T CATCH THIS. FUCK

Get out my face rn. JUST GO.

SO WHAT TIME PERIOD IS HIS WORLD SET IN?

Could this be a fluke because of how much they butchered him in later comics? But then again is there anything in the comics that actually tell us that comic!Hobie's world is set in the 70s?

Be so fr right now.

But then again it could be set in the 70s but with more technological advances. Because the cell phone was invented in 1973 (according to Google) so going off the logic that his world is set in the 70s he'll probably have a basic understanding of what a cell phone is. But that's a touch screen cell phone shown in that picture. HOW DOES THAT WORK????

WHO'S PHONE IS THAT? OMG we don't have any definitive evidence that the comics are set in the 70s. (Or am I tripping?)

WHY WOULD YOU SEND ME THIS ASK 😭

Got me questioning everything now.

#y'know #sometimes i don't like you #/j #BUT SERIOUSLY DUDE #WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT #😭😭😭😭#hobie brown #comic hobie #jay webs words #my fuzzy friends [🕷️]

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squarebracketsmileyface · 27 days

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Harvey by Alex g and Sarah by alex are jam coded

they areeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee they are they are they are

God they're just such a mess together. Both those songs are both of them talking about each other.

Like, in Harvey the last verse just makes me think of Tim having night terrors and waking up in the middle of the night, and like Jay doing his best to look after him. Cos i do think Tim definitely has night terrors and stuff like that in sorry its locked. I haven't thought much about Tim's issues and how they'd manifest in this lil AU (other than him being kinda like, I can fix him, about Jay a bit), cos SIL is kinda mostly about Jay and Alex, like, even when its about Jam its about Jaylex if that makes sense? I don't think Jay would ever actually say "I love you" to Tim, he probably would have eventually, but in the time they actually have together he only thinks it, he doesn't actually say it. Neither of them do. Tim's waiting for Jay to say it first, and that never happens.

He wakes up in the middle of the night I run in and turn on the light Run my hands through his short black hair I love you Harvey, I don't care

Anyway but like, then the second verse is definitely like Tim talking about Jay. He's constantly chasing after Jay, even when they're already dating and together and all that, Tim has to chase after Jay because Jay is still hung up on Alex, everything is about Alex to Jay, even when he knows it shouldn't be and he should let at least some things be about Tim. But even Tim being nice to him is about Alex in a way, because its about how different Tim is to Alex. Even once they're in a relationship, Jay's not gonna magically be fixed and stop being at least a little scared of intimacy and being vulnerable in a normal way. Vulnerability through kink? Sure, Jay can do that, because he still feels in control of that. If that gets too much he can safeword out. But vulnerability in general? That's more difficult, that leaves him feeling out of control and like he doesn't have a way out.

I'll chase Harvey through the door in the wall He says, "Never catch me, never miss me at all" Drool comes down from the corner of his mouth I say, "I love you Harvey, you cut it out"

Sarah

Then in Sarah the bit about not being able to be that someone needs is so them both about each other. Neither of them can be what the other needs. Tim because what Jay needs is to work on himself and fix himself before he can be healthily in a relationship with anyone, he can't be Jay's therapist, and that's what Jay actually needs. Jay kind of knows that, but to him he thinks he needs someone to love him better, to fix him for him by loving him enough, and that's just not how healing works. you have to do the work yourself with support from others. they can't do it for you.

For Jay he thinks Tim needs someone better than him, Jay's "I can't be what you need" is more about his own self loathing than about the reality of the situation. Though, he's not completely wrong, Tim does need him to fix himself before he can be what Tim "needs" in their relationship. Because as Jay is currently, they can't be in a healthy relationship, not long term at least. Over time it'd all spiral out of control and they'd end up resenting each other, unless Jay actually agreed to get help, and worked to make that help, yknow, help.

I can't be what you need I am stuck in a dream I am stuck in a dream Don't you know she's been here all along in a dream? She belongs in a dream

The first two lines make me think of Tim thinking about how Jay deals with difficult situations. He runs away. The second Jay thinks something's going wrong, he runs away, whether physically or emotionally. Like, in chapter 3 when Jay just assumed Tim was going to abandon him like Alex had after showing real interest in him for the first time. Jay ran away. Only to the car park, but he was planning on running all the way away once he got his keys and shit from the room he and Tim were sharing. Jay's definitely not gonna stop running away, he might literally run away less, but he'll still distance himself emotionally when he doesn't need to. Or at least that's how i'm planning on writing him. god knows if i'll go through with it, but i plan to.

Sarah runs to feel the burning in her lungs And clear her head

There's a couple other lines that are like Tim talking about Jay. The line about "she loves me like a dog" is so Jay. he does love Tim like a dog, he follows him around like a lost puppy and he's obsessed with him like a dog is with their One Person. And he doesn't say anything about it, whereas Tim is pretty happy to tell Jay what he's thinking and feeling. Maybe he doesn't tell Jay everything, but he tells Jay a lot more than Jay tells him. Jay does that thing where he makes it sound like he's telling you a lot more than he is by repeating the same information in different words over and over again.

She loves me like a dog And when we mess around, I'll let her know the truth I found

#nothing i say makes sense #ever #i am just rambling and saying words that sound like they COULD make sense #but im pretty sure they dont #im watching shaun of the dead with my boyfriend #im blaming that for how much i dont make sense #marble hornets #jay merrick #tim wright #mh jam #marble hornets fanfic #mh sorry its locked

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roboticnebula · 3 months

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Speedsters will watch another speedster do something wild with their powers and be like: that’s a neat trick you have there, mind if I borrow it?

and I love that for them.

#Finished re-reading a Flash of Two Worlds and that is almost word for word what Jay says when he sees Barry vibrate back to his earth #they are all super powerful on their own but the mimic capability just makes them more unhinged #Flash #flashfam #dc

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blue-jayyy8657 · 7 months

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every time i see something remotely shiny on the ground - bottle caps, pull tabs, shiny pebbles - my Creature Brain takes over and i just have have have to take it home

animals i have been called because of this: gremlin, crow, raccoon, goblin, pigeon, and my personal favorite “why the fuck do you keep stopping to pick things up?? like you’re just a creature dude i don’t understand you in the slightest” and that made me happy

my brother also does this which leads me to believe it is some sort of neurodivergent thing? or maybe we’re both “just a creature dude”

#jays incomprehensible shit #goblincore #gremlincore #crowcore #i love being slightly concerning and wacky like this #okay wacky is one hell of a word though #like imagine going up to someone #and just saying #bro u wacky #like i think i’d pass out from laughing #anyways #neurodivergent #? maybe??#tags are hard man #goblin things #i don’t know man i’m just saying shit now

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yandere-toons · 2 years

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Yandere: i don't stalk you! I just follow you home sometimes, theres a difference!

Characters that have this vibe:

Lloyd Garmadon

Jay (Ninjago)

Dib Membrane

Heinz Doofenshmirtz

Dewey Duck

Huey Duck

Leslie Vernon

Pinkie Pie

Twilight Sparkle

Rob (The Amazing World of Gumball)

Spike (My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic)

Johnny (Johnny the Homicidal Maniac)

Daffy Duck (The Looney Tunes Show)

Lola Bunny (The Looney Tunes Show)

Donatello (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 & Rise)

Rise! Leonardo

LEGO Joker

Claptrap (Borderlands)

SpongeBob SquarePants

They all have wildly different tones when delivering it.

#Yandere #Yandere x You #Yandere x Reader #Yandere Imagines #Yandere Various #Yandere Quotes #Imagines #Reader Insert #X Reader #Fanfiction #Yandere Headcanons #I Can Hear Daffy and Jay Saying These Exact Words

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spidey-bie · 10 months

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Hobie Autistic Headcanon #4

Whenever Hobie is about to have a shutdown/meltdown or even if he's just overwhelmed by his surroundings he'll just mindlessly wander off to a quieter area. The Arachkids have found him in a number of unique locations.

#hobie made an interimension location tracker app so they can find him #they once found him walking just through a cemetery #he scared those visiting on site #i mean a tall lanky figure just wandering in the shadows without saying a word #cmon now #hobie brown #hobie brown headcanons #atsv headcanons #autistic hobie #jay and the spiders

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