Something that I just realized while rereading an old post defending that Qui-Gon is not a "gray Jedi": Obi-Wan technically proves to be more of a maverick than Qui-Gon in TPM, because Qui-Gon was trying to circumvent the Order's rules but not break them, since he was within his rights as a Master to choose a student, and he tried to convince the Council that his claim was legitimate according to the Order's traditions, whereas Obi-Wan presented them with an ultimatum and said he was going to leave if he didn't get his way.
Obi-Wan still ends up on the Council and is basically the Jediest Jedi to Ever Jedi in Star Wars and would be the last person to ever be qualified as "gray" - ergo, Qui-Gon, who actually shows less maverick traits than Obi-Wan does (he never ever says he'd leave, never outright criticizes the Council but only says he disagrees with them and will do what HE believes is right regardless - making it about his convictions, not their own actions - and never really disobeys them on big issues that we see beyond finding loopholes and arguing with them) wouldn't qualify as 'rogue' either.
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...I just realized... everyone says The Council didn't apologize to Ahsoka... but they did.
This is how the Council communicates. As a group of people, they discuss, and then they present their position. Usually there is a single speaker to present joint conclusions. Right here, Plo Koon is speaking for everybody in the Council, plural, and that is an attribution he wouldn't have taken if it wasn't agreed upon previously. Heck, from a pacing standpoint, having the members of the council going one-by-one to apologize is redundant and, in a series of episodes with limited time, a ridiculous use of time. The series expresses what it needs to: The Council apologizes.
I swear the fandom echo chamber ignores the way events go so often just for the purpose of looking down upon the Jedi. If you need to twist up the events to critisize the Jedi, then your argument doesn't really have ground to stan on.
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Obi-Wan: I left instructions for everybody while I’m gone.
Anakin: Mine just says ‘Anakin, no’.
Obi-Wan: I want you to apply it to every possible situation.
Anakin: Okay, should I do what the council asks? Well, Obi-Wan said no.
Anakin: I’m hungry, should I get a snack? Obi-Wan just says I’ll have to starve.
Anakin: Should I help Ahsoka with her lightsaber training? Damn it Obi-Wan! Now I can’t even teach my own padawan!
Obi-Wan: *gives up*
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The Peacekeepers / The Jedi
Tell us more!!!!
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say whatchu will about the official jedi doctrine of Only Beige Tones and, believe me, i will. but the jedi really did rock the fuck out of beige. mace windu? who else can so eloquently say Don’t Fuck With Me in Premiere Pantone 15-1214 TCX Warm Sand™? can anybody else but shaak ti strut out in Entirely terracotta color palette yet still radiate Pure Working Single Mom Kick Ass Energy for millions of her clone sons? and who can forget obi-wan, who manages to be perfectly slutty—yet his v-necks are chastity-height and general style is mid-2000s suburban house demo? panache. pure, perfectly beige swag
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Consider this hc: Mace Windu, a big theatre enthusiast, has directed every younglings’ plays and musicals for the past 20 years in the annual Temple’s fete, so anytime someone outside the Order says that Master Windu seems very cold and aloof, most Jedi have a vivid flashback of seeing him surrounded by 20 overexcited children still in costume and buying giant ice creams to reward them for making the play the cutest show of the day
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Anakin knows what he’s doing is wrong...
Whenever I read people using the idea that “from Anakin’s point of view the Jedi are evil” as the ultimate proof that he felt bullied by them, I roll my eyes. Anakin is intelligent enough to know when he’s wrong.
He doesn’t really think the Jedi are evil, he’s lying to himself, he bought his own con.
Anakin was a good kid to begin with, and with the Jedi training he became a great man. If you look at things objectively, Anakin is 90% of a great Jedi. He’s seemingly learned all the rules, and is wise enough to teach them to others:
Be it by telling Ahsoka that she needs to follow the rules, she can’t just go around and do whatever she feels like, it’ll lead to trouble…
… by encouraging his Padawan not to be too hard on herself…
… or be it by encouraging rational thought over hotheadedness.
In that last image, Anakin is Anakin telling Ahsoka and Rex to stop letting their emotions do the thinking and act logically. He’s telling them to be prudent.
Hell, he even believes that patience is a virtue.
Anakin is a trained Jedi Knight. He has the theoretical know-how to get out of his problems, in ROTS.
In fact, a lot of people forget this, but Anakin’s first instinct, upon finding out Palpatine is, in fact, Darth Sidious, is this:
The Jedi are Anakin’s family. If Palpatine is asking Anakin to choose between the Chancellor and the Jedi, he’ll choose the Jedi every damn time (which is why Palpatine makes Anakin choose between the Jedi and Padmé, instead).
So where’s the problem?
That last 10% of what makes a great Jedi. Introspection, self-control.
Despite being wise, clever and thinking rationally - Anakin has trouble applying those lessons to himself.
When it comes to his own personal problems, he's hard on himself, he’s impatient, he breaks the rules and acts out of emotion instead of thinking things through.
As Obi-Wan puts it:
As a result of this flaw, Anakin keeps choosing the wrong path, despite knowing that it’s the wrong path. The Force puts a lot of tests in front of him, and he keeps choosing the easy way out, rather than the more difficult but ultimately satisfying path.
His mother was killed. He can choose to genocide a whole Tusken village, or be the better man and just walk away.
He kills the Tuskens.
Dooku is unarmed and helpless. Anakin can either kill him in a rage, out of revenge, or he can capture him, bring him to justice, and potentially discover the identity of the second Sith Lord.
He kills Dooku.
Windu is also helpless (his hand was just cut off by Anakin) and Palpatine is killing him. Anakin can either choose to save Windu and arrest Palpatine (who just revealed that he wasn’t “too weak” after all), or he can let Windu die.
He lets Windu die.
Padmé tells him that this isn’t what she wants. He can actually listen to her wishes. Or he can go on a maniacal rant about having ultimate power, ignoring her own opinions completely.
He goes on a rant, drunk with power. Then chokes her.
Obi-Wan tells him to stop, tries to reason with him: Chancellor Palpatine is evil. Anakin knows this. He can stop lying to himself and accept his mistakes, ending the fight. Or he can give Obi-Wan his two-cent rationalization about the Jedi being evil (which he doesn’t even really believe in), and keep trying to kill Obi-Wan.
He keeps trying to kill Obi-Wan.
The more the War goes on, the more it gets easy for Anakin to take the easy path, over and over. But he knows it’s the wrong thing to do.
In the director’s commentary of Revenge of the Sith, George Lucas said this about the following two scenes:
“I like this scene because he's lying to her and he's rationalizing it at the same time by saying he's doing it all for her. He's loyal to the senate and the chancellor and her. But in the end- I mean, he's twisted every fact to his own rationale to make it seem like it's okay, but in the process of lying to her he's actually just lying to himself and rationalizing his behavior. 'Cause he knows he's wrong, but he won't admit it […] he's too far gone- that he could murder a bunch of kids… and then go and rationalize it to her as just doing his job.”
“The tear [on Anakin’s face] says that he knows what he's done, but he has now committed himself to a path that he may not agree with… but he is going to go on anyway. It's the one moment that says he's self-aware that he's rationalizing all his behavior. He's doing terrible things, but in the end he really knows the truth. He knows that he's evil now, and there's nothing he can do about it.”
Anakin tells himself that he’s doing this for Padmé, he’s doing this because the Jedi betrayed him, blabla.
Truth is? He’s just really really scared. And that made him do really bad things.
There’s this incredible moment in Darth Vader: Lord of the Sith #5.
Vader has taken the lightsaber off a Jedi, and now he has to corrupt the saber’s crystal to get his red blade.
The crystal, and by extension, the Force, showed him a vision, a path where he turned to the Light, defeated the Emperor and put an end to his suffering. A path of redemption. This was his reaction:
Vader refuses to take the hard path and chooses the easy path instead, once again. He rejects the Light and hangs on to the pain… because deep down… below the “they betrayed me” bullshit he keeps telling himself… he thinks he deserves it, because he did the wrong thing.
Anakin knows he’s wrong and he’s still goes forward with doing the wrong thing, no matter what test the Force keeps throwing his way.
And that’s why his sacrifice in Return of the Jedi is so impactful. He finally does the right thing, he accepts that it’ll be hard, that he’ll die if he saves Luke… he doesn’t care. Luke loves him, like Padmé did. He failed once. He won’t fail again.
I’m gonna conclude this with one more quote from Lucas:
“It really has to do with learning. Children teach you compassion. They teach you to love unconditionally. Anakin can’t be redeemed for all the pain and suffering he’s caused. He doesn’t right the wrongs, but he stops the horror. The end of the Saga is simply Anakin saying:
‘I care about this person, regardless of what it means to me. I will throw away everything that I have, everything that I have grown to love - primarily the Emperor - and throw away my life, to save this person. And I’m doing this because he has faith in me, loves me despite all the horrible things I’ve done. I broke his mother’s heart, but he still cares about me, and I can’t let that die’.”
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Sometimes I think about the Padawan braid, the symbol of their commitment and their growth as a student. I think about just how special it is and I love that it's important to both the Master and the Apprentice.
I think about Obi-Wan having his severed by someone other than Qui-Gon - do you think he had it cremated with his Master?
I think about how Anakin gave his braid to Padme instead of his Master of 10 years - how gutted do you think Obi-Wan was when he didn't get the braid after Anakin's Knighting?
I think about Anakin holding Ahsoka's beads in his hand after she left - do you think he hung them from his belt to ensure she was always with him in battle?
I think about Caleb having to cut his own braid after Order 66 in some scummy freighter refresher, knowing he'd be discovered otherwise - do you think he threw it in the trash?
Sometimes I think about Padawan braids and I get sad. Thanks Star Wars.
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ONE OF THE CORE TENETS OF THE JEDI ORDER, FROM THE HIGH REPUBLIC TO THE PREQUELS TO THE TIME OF THE EMPIRE TO BEYOND:
A JEDI’S PURSUIT OF LEARNING AND GROWING IS A LIFELONG CHALLENGE
YOU NEVER STOP LEARNING, THERE’S ALWAYS MORE TO EXPERIENCE AND GROW FROM AND WITH
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Anakin: *brags about never listening to the Council*
MEANWHILE, THE JEDI:
The entire Jedi Order: “ 🧡✨Let’s validate Anakin’s lessons and his methods, let’s praise him for Ahsoka’s qualities, let’s praise Ahsoka for being a credit to his teachings, let’s encourage them both to rely on each other and trust each other, and let’s even praise Artoo for the same things while we’re at it. ✨🧡”
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Canon, give me the forbidden fun Jedi anecdotes-
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OBI-WAN APPRECIATION MONTH
Day 14: ‘Obi-Wan Love’ Free Day → Obi-Wan & His Family
I’ve lived my life in the structure of the Jedi Order. Yes, it was an organization with a goal — but it was also a family. I said it myself: Anakin was my brother. I had many brothers and sisters. And fathers and mothers. And even a strange little green uncle.
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i wonder how much of the jedi's life involves childcare.
not just *teaching the younglings* but having to collectively raise them. the saying that goes, "it takes a village to raise a child" is likely how the order operates since no one has 'parents' in the convetional sense. perhaps even part of one's duties and studies during their padawan phase involves a few hours of babysitting in the week - only for them to grow into knighthood and realize that child rearing doesnt exactly end...
now, pls imagine any of your fav jedi in any of the following:
potty training a 2 year old
having to teach them that "no, the temple walls are not to be drawn on..."
having to solve some kiddie drama because some youngling kept calling their peer a 'stinky poodoo head'
"okay bad news, one of them escaped the temple - good news, they can't have gone too far!"
fierce debates about whose parenting style is ruining the younglings
jedi knights snickering at their horrendously awkward friend with no parental instinct barely keep the peace when they're on youngling duty
"I don't care what Master Fisto lets you do, I say you have to be in bed by 20:00!"
speaking of bed time, night duty probably sounds like a breeze...until you have to escort several young kids throughout the night to the bathroom (the temple halls are scary at night!), escort them to the mess hall for a glass of water, coax them back to sleep after they've awoken from a nightmare, and of course prevent any mischievous little ones from coveting a midnight snack
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The Real Jedi Order
Common question is: if the Jedi Knights are guardians of peace and justice, then why they're allowed slavery to exist on the edges of the galaxy? In truth, this, and so many other questions are the result of the misconception that the Jedi Knights are some sort of elite military with the mission to fight crime, to wage wars against tyranny, to patrol the universe. In other words, very much like Justice League or Avengers.
The real Jedi Order
The Jedi Order is an order of monks, committed themselves to guide the galaxy, to protect and preserve peace and justice in the universe. As George Lucas explained, the Jedi Knights "were never designed to be a superhero or anything like that. They were designed to be a Buddhist monk, who happened to be a very good warrior. And they became the peacekeepers of the human world." They aren't policemen, soldiers - they are "monk-warriors" who are "monks first, and they try to convince people to get along." They're "ultimate father figures" and "intergalactic therapists" and "warrior-monks who keep peace in the universe without resorting to violence."
After the Sith butchered each other, the Republic came to power, and "the Jedi brought peace into the galaxy by being ambassadors and troubleshooters." They are “like marshals in the Wild West” who “bring justice and solve problems for people” and “it’s their job to make sure everyone is protected, to bring peace.” They “use their power to keep the governments of all the planets in line, so that they don’t do terrible things.” The Jedi have the “moral authority to do that” since they are “the most moral of anybody in the galaxy.” The Jedi Knights are not the superheroes of the Star Wars universe or the elite military of the Galactic Republic.
They are, in truth, as George Lucas refers to them, the "god[s]" of his myth, serving the "metaphor to God" [with capital G] opposed to "the Devil," the lord of "Hades," Darth Sidious. They're shepherding the galaxy, preserving peace as mediators and sages, guarding justice. Anakin Skywalker is the "mythological hero" who "crosses the river Styx" to "make a pact with the Devil" in order to defy the "reality of God" what is "things are constantly changing so you can't hold onto anything."
How the Jedi Order ensure peace and justice?
It should be clear that the Jedi Order in itself is not able to uphold peace and justice. As Lucas says, "If they do have to use violence, they will, but they are diplomats at the highest level." And "they don't kill people. They don't fight," and they "weren't mean to fight wars." Their job is "to convince both sides to resolve their differences and not to go to war." To fulfill its purpose - exactly like organizations protecting human rights in our real world - it's in need of a society what is concerned for the good for all and believes in the value of peace and justice. "They've got the power to send the whole force of the Republic, which is 100 000 systems, so if you don't behave they can bring you up in front of the Senate. They'll cut you off at the knees, politically."
The Galactic Republic declared slavery illegal in the known universe, even demolishing the slaver empire of Zygerria, with the help of the Jedi. “For a thousand years” Lucas says “the Old Republic prospered and grew under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the venerable Jedi Knights."
So, why slavery existed on the edge of the galaxy?
Just like Anakin Skywalker said, "the biggest problem in the universe is no one helps each other." The Galactic Republic lost itself in its wealth: "The Senators are more interested in themselves than they are in helping each other. They have fallen out of the symbiotic circle." Lucas says. "They couldn't agree on anything because their interests became so divergent, so they couldn't get anything done as a Republic." Posing as Senator Palpatine, Darth Sidious tells us, what gives him his power: "The Republic is not what it once was. There is no interest in the common good." And without a functioning Galactic Republic, that had no interest in upholding its values and enforcing its laws, the Jedi Order was abandoned, unable to uphold peace and justice in an uncaring galaxy. Blindspots were formed at the edges of the galaxy, crime lords built their dominions on worlds like Tatooine. "The Republic doesn't exist out here" Shmi said.
All the Jedi could do is to hope for things to change for the better, doing what they can, solving disputes and protecting those who had key importance in restoring and defending peace and justice - like Padmé, both as Queen and Senator, and Duchess Satine on Mandalore. But just like Qui-Got said, they couldn't fight a war for them. In Episode II, it become clear, they cannot win on a battlefield.
"They are more of a one-to-one combat type." Lucas says, "So I just want a form of fighting and the role of the Jedi Knight to be special and more spiritual, and more intellectual than just a fighter or a superhero, or something like that."
Leading the Clone Army and fighting in the Clone Wars
The clone army was created in secret, by the order of the "Devil," through a fallen Jedi who was the Sith apprentice before Darth Maul, and was executed by yet another fallen Jedi, the Sith Lord Count Dooku. The "Devil" and his henchmen caused a division in the galaxy. Using those who gave up on the symbiosis instead of trying to restore it, Darth Sidious orchestrated the Separatist rebellion, power hungry commerce guilds behind it, with a droid army "greater than any in the galaxy," planning to attack the Republic, so "the Jedi will be overwhelmed" and the Republic will "agree any demands [the Separatists] make." The Galactic Republic had no army to defend itself, it was ill-equipped and ill-prepared for the attack - Palpatine, having granted emergency powers, acquired the Clone Army, and wanted the Jedi Knights to be generals.
Of course, the very existence of the Clone Army was unethical and amoral - war itself is - but the other option was to remain defenseless against the "Devil," the Sith, "who they understood all too well were the masterminds of the Separatist movement" and who was seeking to destroy peace and justice and impose tyranny over the universe. The clones would have been transported to fight in the war all across the galaxy, with or without the Jedi. As Lucas explains: "It's one of the conundrums of which there's a bunch of in my movies. You have to think it through. Are they going to stick with their moral rules and all be killed, which makes it irrelevant, or do they help save the Republic? They have good intentions, but they have been manipulated which was their downfall." And herein lies the most horrible choice one can ever face with: you either do what breaks your moral principles, so you can save a future where they can prevail, or chose not to, and watch them to be destroyed by those who were sworn to tear them down.
Affiliation of younglings
"Well, first of all, [the Star Wars Saga] is a metaphor. You can't take this stuff literally." George Lucas concluded in 2005. The concept of children deciding to leave their homes and families in their first years, to became Jedi Knights, cannot be taken out of the mythological/fairy tale world of Star Wars and must be translated to, and not placed into our real world. As Lucas said, the idea of the Jedi searching for children strong with the Force, was inspired by mythology, religious beliefs and motifs. In particular, he agreed on the parallel between Tibetan Buddhists searching for the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. The affiliation of the younglings shall be seen as vocation: by deciding to go with the Jedi, with "a god," the children are answering to the calling of their destiny, to become "a god" themselves, to fulfill the function in life to which they are called by the Force, "metaphor to God."
The affiliation of the younglings in a young age is crucial to cultivate compassionate love over possessive love, which is to develop non-attachment. To put it simple, it is to relinquish the love of joy for the joy of love, which knows no distance, and even departure or death fails to break it off - to hold and keep in our heart, not in our hands. For love conquers and rules fear, while attachment is ruled by the fear of loss.
The Jedi Order, family and marriage
Attachment is a selfish mind, loving and caring for another person based on how they make us feel, discriminating others based on feelings of distance or closeness. Whereas compassionate love, genuine aspiration to make others happy and free from suffering, can extend to every single living things, raising our concern for the wellbeing of strangers to the same hight as we're concerned for our dear mother's wellbeing. A Jedi must not measure their compassion.
Despite romantic feelings are regarded as natural and not prohibited, and George Lucas explained, only attachment and possessive relationships are forbidden, marriage wasn't encouraged. And it's not difficult to see, why. A Jedi who starts a family, must be fully available for the whole galaxy and must be fully available for their family at the same time; they must be like a parent to their apprentices and must be a parent to their children; and they must support their family, and in the same time, they must keep themselves in perfect spiritual, physical and mental condition, deepening their connection to the Force. Not to mention to preserve a healthy amount of time for themselves. The duties of a Jedi and the duties of a parent and a spouse cannot be fulfilled by one person without the expanse of another - or if you can fulfill both, it will be hardly without the expanse of yourself.
What is a Jedi Knight, really?
A Jedi Knight is a Buddhist monk, a romanticized Samurai, a Knight of the Round Table, a Shaman, occupying the role of benevolent lesser deities, celestial beings in George Lucas' mythology, serving God, shepherding the human world, guiding beings to resolve their differences without violence and do the right thing.
"The Jedi are not superheroes" George Lucas reminds us "They're regular people like the rest of us. We all have midi-chlorians. We all have the Force within us. We can all do what the Jedi can do, but we're not trained." Being a Jedi Knight, learning the "ways of the Force" is never about levitating objects and wielding swords of light. "The Jedi believe that you don't hold onto things, that you let things pass through you, and if you control your greed, you can resolve the conflict not only in yourself but in the world around you, because you accept the natural course of things. Anakin's inability to follow this basic guideline is at the core of his turn to the dark side." This is the balance of the Force within: compassion ruling fear. The Jedi "still have the bad side of the Force in them, but they keep it in check." As Lucas says, Anakin Skywalker's flaws are "the flaws what everybody carries with them. He's struggling with the same issues that everybody struggles with, and that allows him to be human. A good Jedi overcomes those flaws."
"People have a tendency to confuse it — everybody has the Force. Everybody. You have the good side and you have the bad side. And as Yoda says, if you choose the bad side, it’s easy because you don’t have to do anything. Maybe kill a few people, cheat, lie, steal. Lord it over everybody. But the good side is hard because you have to be compassionate. You have to give of yourself. Whereas the dark side is selfish."
This is also for @gffa's twitter account, AllThingsJedi, I hope it will help :)
Star Wars Archives 1999-2005
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace "Prime of the Jedi" featurette
George Lucas' foreword for Shatterpoint by Matthew Stower
Interviews with George Lucas 1 2 3 4 5
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if a jedi claims to be a peacekeeper not a soldier, disregarding whether or not that is possible or true, how does encouraging others to be soldiers fit into that? if the jedi are willing to lead soldiers, if they think their men should find pride and honour in soldiering, if they are fighting the same fight for the same cause, then why won’t they condescend to call themselves soldiers? what’s the difference? if a jedi general can kill and call it peacekeeping, why isn’t a clone a peacekeeper? do they really think that, even if there was a moral difference between them and the clones, they’d be on the right side of it?
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“the Jedi Order was terrible because they forced Anakin to be an emotionless Jedi or else he would have been expelled :/”
... So? What is so horrible about leaving or being expelled from the Order? What do you think is going to happen that is so bad that Anakin would prefer to stay against his will in the Order? (ignoring the fact that Anakin actually liked being a Jedi, his problem was that he wanted to be a Jedi and be with Padmé)
I can guess what would happen: the Council would be disappointed to hear that one of their best generals and a brilliant Jedi knight can’t respect the rules of their Order anymore and decides to leave, but what are they going to do? It’s not like they can (or want to) force him to divorce. Plus he has a wife, someone that can support him instead of the Order, and with his skills, won’t have any troubles finding a new job (if he even wants one, Padmé could probably support both of them financially.)
So they’ll let him go, probably thank him for his service, tell him to say hi to Padmé for them, and Obi-Wan will be a bit sad and misty-eyed for a few days, but it’s not like they’ll stop him. Why would they? The last 20 guys that left the Order even got their own statues in the archives of the Temple, what is to say that Anakin won’t have one and will try to convince Padmé to stop inviting Obi-Wan to their Sunday lunch at the Amidala house because Obi-Wan won’t stop making fun of him for it?
Literally the worst thing that can happen with Anakin leaving the Order is him getting bored of being a trophy husband and trying to convince Obi-Wan and Ahsoka to help him steal his lightsaber from the Temple so he can spar with them until Obi-Wan tells him “you know you only have to ask and the Council will probably let you keep it, right” but it’s funnier that way so Obi-Wan goes with it
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