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rejectedfables · 11 months
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I think often about Jin Guangyao’s “[I murdered] my father, my (older) brother, my wife, my son, my teacher, my friend” quote. I think about how Jin Guangyao, a man known for self effacing politeness to the point of taking blame and shame onto himself to alleviate the tempers of others, in this moment takes complete responsibility for "murders” that he absolutely did not commit. And I think about how the audience both in the story and outside it, take his words at face value.  
I think there are multiple ways of interpreting who this quote is about. Obviously Father = Jin Guangshan, Wife = Qin Su, Son = Jin Rusong, those are clear. I think (older) Brother could either be Nie Mingjue or Jin Zixuan. I think "teacher” could be Wen Rouhan or Nie Mingjue. Friend could be Nie Mingjue, Su Minshan, or Xue Yang.
So I think the ONLY options for [brother, teacher, friend] (in that order) are: 
NMJ, WRH, and SMS
NMJ, WRH, and XY
JZX, NMJ, and SMS
JZX, NMJ, and XY
JZX, WRH, and NMJ
JZX, WRH, and SMS
JZX, WRH, and XY
I also saw a translation where he said “friends” plural, which would reduce the list to:
NMJ, WRH, XY and SMS
JZX, NMJ, XY and SMS
JZX, WRH, SMS and NMJ
JZX, WRH, XY and NMJ
JZX, WRH, XY and SMS
However, given the importance of his relationship with NMJ, I feel like we can safely eliminate any that exclude NMJ entirely. Similarly, there cannot be characters mentioned here who are unnamed or unknown to the reader, as that wouldn’t make any Doylist sense. We are left with a list that consists of Nie Mingjue, either WRH or JZX or both, and possibly XY and/or SMS. 
Regardless of which of those combinations you use, he did not directly OR EVEN DELIBERATELY murder everyone on that list. Let’s go through them:
Jin Guangshan: Yes, he deliberately ordered and orchestrated his father’s death. Outstanding, earned, poetic, no notes. (Okay maybe SOME notes, but like, listen. Listen.) 
Qin Su: Qin Su killed herself. In the animation, Jin Guangyao used the skull-piercing nails to force her suicide, but this is not canon to the novel. Bicao claims that Jin Guangyao must have killed her to silence her, despite her suicide having many witnesses (including us! the readers!), but Wei Wuxian (who WAS THERE) speculates that she couldn’t handle the reality of her marriage, as illuminated to her BY Bicao, or the prospect of societal shame if it got out. However, even IF “your actions drove her to suicide” were the rubric here, that’s still not quite the same as “you murdered her”, nor does it seem to be the outcome he was hoping or planning for. “JGY murdered her” is factually inaccurate, and a blatant propaganda tactic being used against him-- but perhaps it felt emotionally true to HIM because he’s grieving his DEAD WIFE and he FEELS responsible.
Nie Mingjue: JGY spent something like 5+ years suffering physical and verbal abuse and explicit threats of death by Nie Mingjue, then was tasked with killing Nie Mingjue by his father. He did so in a sneaky way, so as to not endanger himself further or get punished for (or perhaps cause an inter-sect conflict/war by) killing the leader of a rival sect.
Wen Rouhan: JGY stabbed him in all adaptations, A+, war hero.
Jin Zixuan: JGY, on his father’s orders, orchestrated a situation that led to Jin Zixuan’s death. We cannot know for SURE that JGY wasn’t aiming for his death but we CAN say that “Wei Wuxian accidentally compelling Wen Ning to kill the ONE GUY PRESENT Wei Wuxian did NOT want to kill” (OR “WN killing JZX of his own accord against WWX’s orders”) would have been a weird bet to make. This seems highly unlikely to have been JGY’s goal, but it was certainly caused by a situation he created. He also did not actually literally kill the guy.
Su Minshan: Su She died to protect Jin Guangyao from Nie Mingjue’s fierce corpse. Jin Guangyao is only “responsible” for this in the vaguest or terms and worst faith of interpretations. Technically Su She wouldn’t have died there if not for JGY on multiple levels (wouldn’t have had to protect him, NMJ’s fierce corpse being JGY’s fault, wouldn’t have been present at all if JGY hadn’t summoned him there, etc.), but if Jin Guangyao describes this as “I murdered him” that’s... a stretch. Again, like with Qin Su, this feels like something he might say because he FEELS responsible, rather than because he actually is.
Xue Yang: JGY ordered Xue Yang’s execution (or possibly ordered a fake execution, but this seems less likely) directly before he fled, injured, to Yi City. He did not die here. Later, after reconnecting and while still following Jin Guangyao’s orders, Xue Yang was killed by other people in opposition to Jin Guangyao’s wishes and plans. Again, TECHNICALLY Xue Yang would not have died when he did were it not for Jin Guangyao, but describing it as “Jin Guangyao murdered him” is QUITE a stretch. Due to the title of the “Villainous Friends” extra, which is about JGY and XY specifically, XY seems the most likely candidate to me for “Friend” in this quote, which is bizarre because I think his death is actually the LEAST connected to Jin Guangyao. Jin Guangyao wasn’t even present, nor did Xue Yang die FOR Jin Guangyao-- just on his payroll. BUT perhaps he still felt guilty for ORDERING his execution, and simply his willingness to HAVE Xue Yang killed counted enough to make the list.
I’ll get to the last one, but I’m pausing here to say: What all of this means is that no matter who is or isn’t on that list, it is NOT an objective list of factual murders. It is a list of people who’s deaths Jin Guangyao FEELS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
Even before we get to who counts as teacher, brother, or friend, even JUST his wife solidifies this. But it isn’t JUST her either-- even if we cut SMS and XY (the other two BIG stretch candidates) from the equation, that leaves us ONLY with NMJ(friend), WRH(teacher), and JZX(brother). And Jin Zixuan is the other one that really should not make the list of people JGY “murdered”.
This is a list of people who’s deaths Jin Guangyao FEELS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
Which brings us to the last one:
Jin Rusong: The quote (I believe this is a fan translation, but not sure) "One of the opposing sect leaders lost the arguments [about the watchtowers], and went into a murderous rage, killing Jin Guangyao and Qin Su’s only son. The boy had always been a good child and the couple had loved him dearly. Under resentment, Jin Guangyao tore down the entire sect in revenge” is, to my knowledge/memory, the only real account we’re given of what happened. “Lost the arguments and went into a murderous rage” doesn’t sound like the child was found dead some time later, and they had to investigate. It sounds like it happened in public, with witnesses, immediately. 
In the same scene where Bicao convinces an audience that Qin Su, who famously killed herself on screen in a room full of people with a (now) known motive for suicide, “must have” been murdered by Jin Guangyao-- in that same scene others speculate that Jin Rusong, who was famously killed by a political opponent in a “murderous rage” most likely DURING A CONFERENCE, “must have” been murdered by Jin Guangyao. 
I think "I angered an opposing sect leader so much that he killed my son" being translated by JGY into "I killed my son" is EXACTLY IN LINE with the rest of his list. How is that different than "I ordered Xue Yang's assassination, and later put him in a situation that caused others to kill him" being translated to "I killed my friend"? Or “Su She died to protect me” being translated to “I killed my friend”? Or “I didn’t anticipate my brother’s unwitting involvement in a covert operation would get him accidentally killed, which no one wanted, not even the guy who did it” being translated to “I killed my brother”? Or “I tried to protect my pregnant fiancé/wife from a horrible secret I only just learned, which would ruin her life, and when someone confronted her with it TO HARM ME she couldn’t live with it and killed herself” being translated to “I killed my wife”? It’s the same!
I do not believe that Jin Guangyao killed Jin Rusong. I believe “I murdered my son” is an example of the way that Jin Guangyao speaks about himself-- always taking the maximum responsibility onto his own shoulders. If he was in any way responsible, than he was completely responsible. If he FEELS responsible, then he MAY AS WELL have murdered them.
The context of when he says this quote also matters towards how we interpret it’s meaning. He was already attempting to flee the country, aware that the cultivation world was actively turning on him for crimes that he did AND DIDN’T commit. He was surrounded by people he thought cared about him, all of whom seemed determined to stop him from achieving a safe exit. He had had all the horrible things he felt responsible for (regardless of how directly or deliberately he was involved in those events) thrown in his face by said loved ones, while they looked at him with horror. Su Minshan had just been killed trying to PROTECT HIM, and now it looked like it had been for nothing anyway. Huaisang, who he is shown as doting upon throughout their decades long relationship, has just manipulated Lan Xichen (do I even have to go into how important Lan Xichen is to him? Please say no, please say this much at LEAST is universally understood) into BEING THE ONE to STAB HIM. 
In this moment, he believes that he’s going to die, and be reviled in death by society and his loved ones alike. He knows there’s nothing left he can say or do, he hasn’t had time to process Su She’s death, and Lan Xichen has JUST (accidentally) betrayed him (which he also hasn’t had time to process). 
And also, notably, he had very recently been IN POSSESSION of the TIGER TALLY. 
AND HE’S BEEN STABBED! To my memory this scene happens while he’s missing an arm and LAN XICHEN’S sword is still INSIDE HIS GUTS. His emotions and reasoning are probably NOT the most calm or rational right now (blood loss, pain, fear, grief, influence of the tiger tally, etc.), and this “confession” should be taken with that in mind. 
I just think a lot about how “I murdered [everyone I’ve loved except for you]” is such a raw and telling line, given the context. Even if it’s more like “I murdered [everyone I’ve owed devotion to except for you]”, that’s still so painful. He blames himself for all of it. All of it! The world celebrated Wen Rouhan’s death, but Jin Guangyao added it to his personal list. Jin Guangshan is arguably the most reprehensible character in the entire story, and ruined every part of Jin Guangyao’s entire life, but he’s on the list. He did everything in his power to protect Qin Su, and when she found out the truth he continued offering her ways he could protect her, but she chose to kill herself, and she’s on the list. He tried to improve the world with the watchtowers, and someone retaliated by murdering his son, and he claimed responsibility for that too.
He knew he was being blamed for their deaths, knew it was propaganda and slander and bad faith, but he blamed himself too. So he just... accepted it. I did it. It was me, I murdered them.
And so, so, so many people, in his world and in ours, were so, so eager to agree
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stardust-falling · 10 months
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The golden hour comes before dusk falls.
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Little Jin Ling and Jin Rusong were rather fond of Xuanyu-shushu, once.
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kettledemon · 25 days
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If Mo Xuanyu and Jin Rusong both lived to find out the truth….would Rusong call Xuanyu “JiuJiu” or “ShuShu”……..cause he’s both technically-
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ikarosapollo · 10 months
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thinking about Jin Ling who only ever had one cousin he got along with, Jin Rusong.
thinking about little Jin Rusong following his big cousin around a lot and looking up to him so so much.
thinking about Jin Ling considering A-Song his little brother and being fiercely protective of him.
thinking about Jin Rusong who cries when Ling-gege leaves for Yunmeng in the summer and Jin Ling, five years old, who bullies his uncles into letting A-Song come too.
thinking about Jin Ling being six or seven years old when he loses his only friend.
thinking about Jin Ling spending the next decade with no friends his own age, with cousins who dislike him and pick on him for things Jin Ling had no control over.
thinking about Jin Ling befriending Lan Sizhui, Lan Jingyi and Ouyang Zizhen and not really considering them his friends for a long time simply because he hasn’t had a friend in so long.
thinking about Lan Sizhui who always makes sure Jin Ling feels included even if he’s being a bit bratty about it.
thinking about Jin Ling 15-16 years old, once again having a cousin he gets along with and considers his friend, Lan Sizhui.
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thatswhatsushesaid · 9 months
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just for the record or whatever: I don't think the text conclusively tells us whether or not jin guangyao had a hand in killing jin rusong, and so I'm not actually that interested in answering the question definitively either way.
what the text does suggest is that jin rusong's death at the hands of jgy's political opponent was a public spectacle. here's the section of the text from the EXR translation that I believe supports this interpretation:
Lan WangJi, “Jin GuangYao once had a son. His life was taken at a young age.”
Wei WuXian wondered, “He was the young master of Carp Tower, though. How could his life have been taken away?”
Lan WangJi, “The lookout towers.” Wei WuXian, “And why was that?”
Back then, in order to build the lookout towers, Jin GuangYao not only faced quite a number of opposers, but also displeased a handful of sects. One of the opposing sect’s leaders lost the arguments, and went into a murderous rage, killing Jin GuangYao and Qin Su’s only son. The boy had always been a good child and he couple had always loved him dearly. Under resentment, Jin GuangYao tore down the entire sect in revenge. Qin Su, however, was overcome with grief. She hadn’t been able to bear another child ever since.
- pg 455 of the EXR translation (can't remember the chapter number or name whoops)
imo if someone's actions are described as 'a murderous rage,' this suggests that their reaction to what provoked them was immediate and violent, rather than something that was the result of premeditation. it also suggests that there were witnesses present who saw this happen (which I have seen handled painfully well in fic, I will come back to this with a link once I'm finished writing). also, I think the source of this information in the novel is fascinating because it comes from lan wangji, a character who is particularly disinclined towards gossiping, rumourmongering, or, uh. talking much at all tbh.
I'm raising this point because I think this section of the text provides the most straight forward and also credible description of the circumstances of jin rusong's death: that jin rusong's murderer lost a political argument (and presumably a lot of money and authority over his own sect's resources), flew into a rage, and killed him as a result of that provocation. just about everything else relating to jin rusong's death--whether jin rusong being present was a deliberate act on jin guangyao's part to put him in danger, or negligence, or just a horrific accident that jin guangyao claims responsibility for because he feels responsible--is just speculation by the jianghu peanut gallery.
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hannigramislife · 8 months
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Me: *reads a lot of Nie Mingjue or Nie Huaisang fics because I am in a phase, consequently, reads a lot of Meng Yao fics, all centered in Qinghe Nie, and the relationships between those three and Lan Xichen*
Me: *constantly notices references to cold weather and forests and pine trees as Qinghe Nie's geography*
Me, one day, on a random mdzs wiki research:
Jin Rusong: Jin = "gold", Ru = "to be like" —
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Song = "pine tree"
Me:
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jaimebluesq · 4 months
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MDZS/CQL thought of the day:
Okay, love or hate me for this, but I JUST thought of this...
We all know how contentious the idea of Jin RuSong's death can be because some people think JGY engineered the kidnapping and murder for political reasons and others that he would never sacrifice his own son. And my brain just thought of a scenario where these two facts co-exist.
What if Jin RuSong had not been the intended target? What if the plan was for the kidnappers to take Jin Ling, and they grabbed the wrong child, and they didn't realize their mistake until it was too late?
It would be politically advantageous for JGY and his family to have Jin Ling out of the way - the boy is the last remnant of JGS's legitimate bloodline, and once he's old enough, it was expected that he would take over as sect leader from JGY - and there would be significant political pressure to support this, both from JGS's and Madame Jin's supporters even after their deaths, but also from JC who would fight for his nephew's inheritance tooth and nail. But if Jin Ling were to die, it would be a terrible tragedy - that would solidify JGY's family's position in the Jin, and give him an excuse to take out the sect challenging his authority - hell, it would no longer have been just the Jin vs the Chang because JC would go WILD and go murder them all single-handedly for touching his nephew. And with Jin Ling being a nephew JGY shares custody of with another sect leader far away, and having a son of his own to raise, his own attachment to the boy would be much less than that of him and his own son - making Jin Ling potentially expendable, because JGY's family always comes first.
So yeah, we don't know what the real story is, so much is conjecture, but this popped into my head, and now I want to scream and write fic to cheer myself up.
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loosingmoreletters · 1 year
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Nobody asked for it but here are some Rapunzel/Imprisonment AU rambles
Backstory: Instead of Dying™️, WWX gets imprisoned underground by JGY for the low low price of torture and No Legs bc a prisoner that in every sense of the word can’t run away is easier to handle, right?
Anyway, he gets threatened into compliance and is mostly solitary until JGY brings him a new guest.
“Not a prisoner,” he says with the same smile. “Just something to look after.” And dumps tiny toddler Jin Rusong on WWX.
He doesn’t want to kill his son, however misfortuned he is, and WWX’s reactions have been lacking lately. Giving him something new to care for is just the preferable method.
Jin Rusong becomes Wei Wuxian’s Lan Bao, a little treasure handed to him in a basket. It’s a different Lan, he’s not projecting, no. In any case, Lan Bao grows up in a small room with steady candlelight, but no daylight. His father draws on their walls and ceilings, everything he reads from books so that a-Bao has a vague idea of the outside world. He was too young when brought to the dungeon to recall much.
JGY visits… less. Xue Yang more. There’s a trade off there, somewhere.
Well, time passes and enter stage left: WWX’s longest fucking con. A minimal but perfected disguise talisman, something to fool the guards, and his kid is free to go. WWX isn’t but, he can’t walk and a ten year old can’t carry him, but that’s alright. He’s been dead to the world for a while.
Lan Bao escapes in a truly particular show of a child who already had some health issues and been raised under terrible conditions, is now out in the world again, and, against the original plan of living well somewhere far away, he hides in the departing Lan contingent.
Enter stage left: Lan Sizhui opening their luggage to find a ten-year-old squinting at him. Said ten year old won’t say where he’s from or how he got there or what is wrong with him (WWX did his best, but really, you can’t raise a kid like that).
Enter stage even further left: LWJ and his empty nest syndrome Need To Do Right By WWX’s Memory. The kid needs help and support and he can do that.
Now count down time until WWX finds his prison cell kicked in by his savior
LWJ will forever see it as fate that he got to raise both of WWX’s children, WWX is mostly bewildered neither child knew the meaning of stranger danger. Sizhui was a toddler and knew LWJ but Lan Bai really should’ve known better. They had a plan.
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symphonyofsilence · 1 year
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Sect leader Yao: *firmly believes that WWX is the devil incarnate who is raising an army in secret, and Wen Ning is a murder machine controlled by the murder maniac that is WWX. The number of people Sect leader Yao believes that WWX has killed includes Sect Leader Yao himself.*
Sect leader Yao: *thinks that the Guanyin statue has JGY's own face and immediately concludes that this is because he's a narcisstst proclaiming that he's a god who should be worshipped*
(Immediately followed by WWX thinking that there's no use saying that it's his mother's face 'cause anything JGY has ever done will now be twisted to something evil and added to the pile of his sins.)
Sect leader Yao: *says that JGY has killed Jin Rusong immediately after the tea about JGY's shady shits is spilled*
Everyone: *gasps in JGY anti* THAT MONSTER KILLED HIS INNOCENT BABY ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THAT IS SECT LEADER YAO! BURN THE BITCH!
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essekknits · 2 months
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So like… are the Jin courtesy names just the generational prefix and then their birth name? Cause we have two examples of this: Meng Yao legitimised and becoming Jin Guangyao (and if Jin Guangshan was less of an asshole he would’ve been Jin Ziyao because he’s the same generation as Jin Zixuan and Jin Zixun, but that’s irrelevant), and Jin Rusong, who died too young to have received his courtesy name and whose mother calls him A-Song when she’s grieving his death.
So like, was Jin Zixuan born Jin Xuan? Was Jin Guangshan born Jin Shan?
But then we have Jin Ling, Jin Rulan, whose name was definitely not chosen like that. But then again, his courtesy name was chosen by Jiang Yanli, and that doesn’t sound like the usual MO in Koi Tower, letting the mother choose a courtesy name for her child, especially when said child is The Direct Heir.
Idk where I’m going with this just food for thought.
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least-carpet · 1 month
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hello!! 👀 (for the au ask game)?
Hello!! This is so extremely belated, I'm very sorry.
One AU I will never write is one I've outlined loosely in its entirety (so maybe I should just post the outline?) and it's the AU where Jin Ling is a cis girl. This is one of my earliest attempts to answer the question "what would actually make Jiang Cheng happy?" and it involved the conclusion of "Jin Ling living in Lotus Pier and inheriting without the sect being absorbed into the Jin." And I felt like I could make it happen for girl!Jin Ling!
Because the Jin Sect especially sucks, Jin Ling being a girl removes her from the line of succession. She's still given to Jiang Cheng to care for, and like canon Jin Ling, she splits time between both sects with the understanding that she still technically belongs to the Jin, despite them being unwilling to make her sect heir. After Jin Guangshan dies, Jin Guangyao and Jiang Cheng come to an unofficial agreement that she will marry a Jiang disciple of suitably high cultivation and rank and inherit the sect that way.
Jin Rusong, the only available male heir who's not Mo Xuanyu, is watched like a hawk and doesn't get murdered. (I am agnostic re: whether Jin Guangyao had him killed or not. Either way, needing a direct heir and there being more of a reason to expect Rusong to be at risk are both elements that could change the outcome there.) He's a very sweet kid, and much, much smarter than he looks, but he is spoiled to pieces, including by Jin Ling. That's her cute baby cousin! Of course he can have everything he wants!
Qin Su, having her son to protect, does not commit suicide despite finding out about the incest (although she ain't doing too good). The incest is also not revealed publicly. Unfortunately, an Evil Jin Elder—Jin Chan's grandfather—finds out about it somehow.
When Jin Ling returns to the Jin Sect to protect Jin Rusong and investigate Jin Guangyao's secret room, she gains access to—among other things—a treasure trove of blackmail material about the Jin elders.
The Evil Jin Elder, not wanting to be blackmailed or publicly dragged up on charges, blackmails Qin Su into using Jin Ling to fulfill an old written offer of marriage from the Lan sect. This solves a number of different problems for him: no more secret sect investigation, weakens Jin Rusong's faction, reaffirms now-shaky relationship with the Lan. So many birds with one stone! Qin Su is not about this but is also very, very desperate to remain in her position in order to protect Jin Rusong.
Jin Ling wakes up, bound hand and foot, in a carriage to the Lan sect, without her bow, Suihua, or Fairy. (Despite being all tied up, she still resists strenuously with her teeth. "Why does she even need that dog," says one of Evil Jin Elder's henchmen bitterly, as they haul her from carriage to palanquin.) Once there, she learns that the offer specifies a member of the inner family, but not who; and that a certain faction of elders is proposing that she be married to Lan Xichen, i.e. her uncle's secret boyfriend who killed him.
Jin Ling has never gone along quietly with anything she didn't like in her entire life. Her escape involves Lan Qiren, Lan Jingyi, Wei Wuxian, and Li'l Apple on a boat.
Story 1 is the story of how Jin Ling becomes the (still unmarried) heir to the Jiang sect, and it's pre-lingyi. Story 2 involves her eventual marriage, since, as Jiang Sect heir, Jin Ling needs to find a husband. She proposes (like the great-granddaughter of Genghis Khan) that any potential husband has to beat her in a contest that she chooses. Then she has to frantically brainstorm a contest of martial prowess that Lan Jingyi can beat her at. (Wrestling. It's wrestling. This is 100% because Lan Jingyi sucks at so many things and not an excuse for her to get wrestled to the ground by the goofy Lan boy with the very nice arms, Jin Rusong, how dare you insinuate things of that nature—)
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Jgy : Er-ge I had no choice! You must understand
Also jgy : *kills his brother, kills his sworn brother, frames his half brother, kills his sister in law, kills his own son, marries his sister, kills his father, betrays his other sworn brother
Lxc sighs : Yes A-Yao, you absolutely had no choice
Nhs : this bitc-
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wishthefish · 3 months
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Everyone in Twitter appears to believe Jin Guangyao is an absolute MILF and have unintentionally tormented me with thoughts of a Jin Guangyao who was pregnant with Rusong. Hypothetically, if Jin Guangyao lived in a world where it was acceptable and normal for men to conceive, what actions would he take? (After he discovers the incest, that is)
Some possible reasons for his choices below:
Option One:
Jin Guangyao was raised within a brothel and would undoubtedly have learned all that was necessary about terminating a pregnancy. As a result, he would know perfectly how to get rid of Rusong.
Moreover the trauma of incest would prevent him from developing a healthy relationship with Rusong due to the fear of people discovering the truth.
Option Two:
People do not like Jin Guangyao. They'll take any opportunity to slander him. Rumours regarding his infertility or marital disagreement (if he fails to have a child) would not only ruin his reputation but infect people's perception of him.
He also initially wanted to have a child with Qin Su. Aborting the fetus that he's conceived doesn't actually change the circumstances of his marriage so he would keep Rusong.
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thatswhatsushesaid · 2 months
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hi, what do u you think, if rusong lived, would anything change regarding who is to inherit the sect leader position? like jl's dad just would have been sect leader while rusong's is. or would it be about who has a bigger supporting/is mote popoular within the sect when the its time for one of them to take over?
hi hello 👋 i believe @fincalinde wrote a detailed post about what life probably would have been like for both jin rusong and jin ling, if jrs had lived! i can’t find it for some reason, but i would recommend checking their blog out and giving it a search for anything related to jin rusong.
the tl;dr version of my opinion, tho, is that i don’t think anything would have changed in the order of succession. his personal feelings aside, i think jgy knows that supplanting jzx’s son with his own as heir is nothing but a good way to confirm all of the jianghu’s worst beliefs about who he is, which would inevitably lead to conflict and potentially the loss of everything he’s worked hard to achieve.
i do think it is interesting to contemplate the possibility of jrs and jl as adults trying to navigate the dangers of secular politics together; what would happen if, inexplicably, jrs was more popular than jl at the time of jgy's death or abdication? 😬 someone (who isn't me) should write that fic.
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