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loganslowdown4 · 1 year
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Updates February 2023: travels to NYC and Vermont on a writers retreat; working on writing season finale including music for episodes; voiceover classes; seeing some plays; visiting Joan and Talyn; Disney friendship mashup release; also Pedro Pascal apparently dresses like Patton? 😂
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tstwitterupdates · 1 year
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TS tweet february 19, 2023 :
Being up in Vermont means getting to hang with Joan and Talyn in person again. 🥹💜
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Good comeback, sir! Although, you didn't answer the question.
“Question?” Thomas says sounding confused, before, “Oh! The one about blowing up!”
"Let's just say, its not zero," Joan’s voice cuts in, returning from his trip to find noise blockers for Virgil. There’s a brief moment where Virgil makes a grateful noise, probably putting in the earbuds which has the added benefit of making him far less likely to start a fight with Logan.
"And it’s significantly higher if your name is Thomas Sanders," Joan adds pointedly. "For some reason things just always go out of control when he's involved."
“They do not!” Thomas squawks. “Joan!”
"It's been that way since we were still at the academy," Joan counters. "He started off in the Science and Technology branch-- like a nerd, with a PHD in Chemistry-- and made friends with just about everyone including Talyn. But after a month one of their experiments went wrong and Thomas remind me what happened then?"
"It wasn't my fault!" Thomas cries.
"Fire," Joan says. "Fire is what happened. A fire resistant to water and oxygen deprivation that couldn’t be put out for three whole days. The whole building had to be shut down. So they moved him to Communications branch, where he lasted for about a week learning data analysis before one of the computers overheated and caught fire. And so they moved him to Operations, where there is nothing that can catch fire. We met just shortly after that, and ended up graduating together and working on the same field team where 80% of our time was spent writing reports on trying to figure out how things kept catching fire."
“And saving the world, hello?” Thomas says. 
"If I didn't know better, I would assume that some divine force was behind it all," Joan says. "But having met divine forces, I.E. the aliens in the quinjet with you, I'm now convinced that Thomas just attracts world ending events and somehow manages to survive. He won't let me take any blood to look for mutagens but Talyn and I have have a running bet that he’s superhuman and just doesn’t know it."
“Oh?” Remus cuts in, his grin wide and malicious and oozing smugness in a way that makes the rest of the plane go cold. “I heard all about that.”
“What,” Roman says dangerously, “Did you do, Remus.”
“Just... made a few new friends. Funny ones.”
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psychedelicships · 2 years
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watching the Garett Watts video about the haunted apartment and all I can think now is how much fun of an au it would be
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peachie-bun · 2 years
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i simply think joan is the funniest person ever
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ask-ghost-virgil · 2 years
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Its been 2 almost 3 years, time to continue =w= if anyone has any questions for Virge and the others the ask box is open
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thatonelesbianfander · 2 months
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Full Sanders Sides Recap and Timeline as of the start of 2024
I’m bored so here is a full timeline recap of the Sanders Sides episodes (as well as a few important off-camera events and the more episodic Sanders ASides) before the season 2 finale!
Recap under the cutoff
Season 1- 17 Episodes (October 19, 2016 - July 15, 2017)
S1 E1- My True Identity
October 19, 2016
Lore revealed: Creativity/Prince, Logic/Teach, and Morality/Dad are introduced
Episode summary: C!Thomas and the sides talk about different aspects of Thomas’s personality
S1 E2- WAY TOO ADULT
November 21, 2016
Stove is introduced and then never seen again :(
C!Thomas and Morality discuss ways of becoming an adult and independent
S1 E3- Taking on ANXIETY with Lilly Singh!!
December 19, 2016
Anxiety is introduced
C!Thomas and C!Lilly Singh talk about the different ways to cope and deal with anxiety
S1 E4- A New Year of Lying to Myself… In Song!!
January 2, 2017
First song of the series, Lies, is sung
C1Thomas and the sides talk about goals for the New Year
S1 E5- The Dark Side of Disney!
January 9, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas, Creativity, and Anxiety talk about the different messages Disney movies provide
EVENT- Vine shuts down, C!Thomas moves to making content on YouTube
January 17, 2017
S1 E6- I’M IN A DISNEY SHOW!!
January 23, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas accounts his experiences being on a Disney show with the sides
S1 E7- The MIND vs. The HEART!
January 30, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas, Logic, and Morality come up with compromises for past arguments
S1 E8- Alone on VALENTINE’S DAY!
February 13, 2017
C!Valerie is introduced
C!Thomas and the sides discuss how to ask someone out on a date using C!Valerie as an example
S1 E9- Losing My Motivation
Feb 28, 2017
Logic’s name is revealed to be Logan
C!Thomas, Logic, and Morality investigate to find out why C!Thomas is procrastinating on working on a new video
S1 E10- Sanders Sides Q&A!
March 7, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides answer questions from the viewers
S1 E11- Am I ORIGINAL?
March 22, 2017
Prince’s name is revealed to be Roman
C!Thomas and the sides discuss different ideas trying to get an original idea
S1 E12- My NEGATIVE Thinking
April 4, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
Logan and Anxiety have a debate after C!Thomas flunked an audition earlier that day
EVENT- First birthday of C!Thomas since the start of the series
April 24, 2017
S1 E13- Growing Up
May 1, 2017
Morality’s name is revealed to be Patton and the mind palace is introduced
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the proper steps to adulthood
S1 E14- Making Some Changes!
May 23, 2017
The sides are revealed to be able to shape shift
The sides shape shift into C!Thomas’s friends, C!Joan, C!Talyn, C!Terrence, and C!Valerie
S1 E15- Becoming a CARTOON!
June 9, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas breaks into C!Butch Hartman’s office in an attempt to become a cartoon, and him and the sides become cartoons for a day
S1 E16- ACCEPTING ANXIETY, Part 1/2: Excepting Anxiety!
June 10, 2017
Anxiety ducks out, and the concept of the sides having their own rooms is introduced
C!Thomas and the sides find out that Thomas doesn’t have any anxiety and come up with a plan to go to his room to find out why
S1 E17- ACCEPTING ANXIETY, Part 2/2: Can Anxiety Be Good?
June 10, 2017 (Posted IRL on July 15, 2017)
Anxiety’s room Anxiety’s name is revealed to be Virgil, and Anxiety gets a redemption arc
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the positives of anxiety
EVENT- C!Thomas and C!Thomas’s ex break up (C!Thomas’s ex’s name unknown, but is referred to as an “Old lover” in the Wes Anderson Sanders ASides)
July 15, 2017
Season 2- 15 Episodes (September 1, 2017 - Present)
S2 E1- Fitting In (Hogwarts Houses!)
September 1, 2017
The sides get costume updates
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the idea of fitting in using the idea of Hogwarts houses from Harry Potter
S2 E2- MOVING ON, Part 1/2: Exploring Nostalgia
October 3, 2017
Patton’s room is revealed
C!Thomas and the sides go to Patton’s room so Thomas can cope with a recent breakup
S2 E3- MOVING ON, Part 2/2: Dealing With a Breakup
October 2, 2017 (Posted IRL on October 25, 2017)
Patton gets his iconic cat hoodie from Logan
The plot of the first part continues as C!Thomas and the sides discuss the negative sides to nostalgia after Logan leaves
S2 E4- The Sanders Sides 12 DAYS OF CHRISTMAS!
December 24, 2017
No important lore discoveries or reveals
The sides sing their rendition of the Christmas carol, The 12 Days of Christmas, with several different antics
EVENT- C!Thomas misses a reading of C!Joan’s play
February 2, 2018
S2 E5- Can LYING Be Good??
February 3, 2018
Deceit is introduced and it’s revealed that the sides can only be seen by C!Thomas
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the many different forms of lies through stage theatre after C!Thomas misses a reading of C!Joan’s play
S2 E6- Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning?
April 12, 2018
No important lore discoveries or reveals
Logan and Roman have a debate about why C!Thomas does everything that he does
S2 E7- Crofters - The MUSICAL!
April 19, 2018
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas, Logan, and Roman sing a song about jelly after getting a sponsorship from Crofter’s Organic and Logan gets his own jelly flavor
EVENT- Thomas is told about Lee and Mary Lee’s wedding
September 26, 2018 (date revealed by Logan in SvS)
S2 E8- Learning New Things About Ourselves
October 29, 2018
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss learning new things about themselves while using puppets
S2 E9- EMBARRASSING PHASES: The Nightmare Instead of Christmas!
December 24, 2018
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the concept of phases using Halloween costumes
S2 E10- Selfishness v. Selflessness
March 31, 2019
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss selfishness and selflessness in a mock court room setting after Thomas gets a callback scheduled for the same day as a wedding for his two friends, Lee and Mary Lee
S2 E11- Dealing with INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS
April 2, 2019 (Posted IRL on June 25, 2019)
The Duke is introduced and name is revealed to be Remus
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the topic of intrusive thoughts after Thomas couldn’t get to sleep due to a really bad nightmare
S2 E12- Are There Healthy Distractions?
April 10, 2019 (Posted IRL on November 22, 2019)
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss different kinds of distractions while watching Disney’s Frozen
S2 E13- Putting Others First - Selfishness v. Selflessness Redux
April 13, 2019 (Posted IRL on May 1 2020)
Deceit’s name is revealed to be Janus
C!Thomas, Roman, and Patton discuss the concept of putting other people before yourself
EVENT- POF endcard scene
April 30, 2019
S2 E14- Flirting with Social Anxiety
October 10, 2020
Nico Flores is introduced
C!Thomas, Roman, and Virgil work out a way to try and talk to a guy in the food court of a mall
EVENT- The Return of the Jam!- The sides all get their own jelly flavors
February 19, 2021
S2 E15- Working THROUGH Intrusive Thoughts
April 20, 2021 (Posted IRL on July 31, 2021) (using the date that can be seen on C!Thomas’s phone in episode)
The orange side is teased for the first time through Logan’s outburst
C!Thomas and Logan discuss different kinds of intrusive thoughts while C!Thomas stresses about cleaning up his apartment
EVENT- Have I Grown? - Five Years Later (Sanders Sides 5 year anniversary special)
Posted: November 14, 2021
S2 E16- Can Plushies Improve Our Health? (Sanders ASides)
August 26, 2022
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the many ways plushies can be helpful
EVENT- “Into the Unknown” - Over the Garden Wall Cover (Sanders ASides)
October 31, 2022
Janus sings for the first time in the series
EVENT- If Wes Anderson Directed the Sanders Sides… (Sanders ASides)
June 23, 2023
EVENT- The Sides Need a Nice Day (Sanders ASides)
July 16, 2023
S2 E17- Virgil Reacts to Anxiety from Inside Out 2 (Sanders ASides)
November 19, 2023
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the different ways anxiety can present in other people after Virgil reacts negatively to the Anxiety character that was revealed in the trailer for Inside Out 2
S2 E18- What Makes the Perfect Gift? (Sanders ASides)
December 23, 2023
No important lore discoveries or reveals
C!Thomas and the sides discuss the many different types of gifts through a secret Santa type of activity when Thomas can’t think of a gift to give Nico
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rixitup · 1 year
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Rixitup’s Statement on TS Criticism (11 pages)
No one asked me to make a statement, however I’ve been seeing some TS criticism as of late and felt I should take a small stance on it.
I’ve been in the fandom for a really long time, so long in fact I remember vine, and I remember the very day Sanders Sides debuted. It’s been 8 long years of being in the fandom and 6 long years of being in the Sanders Sides fandom. I’ve seen Thomas’s channel really blossom with creative freedom as he has moved from vine to YouTube. I remember being so enthralled by his “Prank calls with Leo the Giant” video which actually has been deleted I think? Cause I couldn’t find it when I wanted to rewatch (however I found part 2 and 3) anyway- it’s the video that originally got me to subscribe after following on vine.
When the YouTube membership became a thing I joined and was a member I think for 1-2 years before they switched to patreon which I immediately switched to after the membership ended. Other things I was really lucky to do in this fandom was meet Thomas through a video chat for the holiday concert, and then meet him in real life when he was visiting New Jersey last year. (I go to school in NJ but live in MA).
So I’ve been around, I’ve stayed up to date, and I’ve been involved in the community as much as I can be.
Sure, Sanders Sides is a series that I favor the most out of Thomas’s content, however that’s not what I originally followed him for, I followed him for his goofy and entertaining content- and out of all the content creators I’ve followed, Thomas seems to be the most active in interacting with his audience on varying degrees. From art shoutouts, to tweets, to Instagram comments, Instagram stories, to cons, meetups, and live streams this dude goes out of his way to interact with his fan base- not a lot of creators do that to such a big extent (from my experience at least). At first I think in the formative years of his channel between the switch from vine to YouTube, Thomas was most active in his fan base. He did art shoutouts on Instagram and Twitter every other week and was generally around a LOT online. Since then I think he’s pulled back though a little and that’s because he’s gotten serious about his content and future. Thomas has gone from being silly online to being silly online AND moving towards being more of a professional individual. He’s voice acting now, he has an agent, he’s hanging out with friends- traveling- acting- etc- and amongst all of this he is still making content and interacting with his fans; cause at the end of the day he enjoys what he does, even if it’s a lot. I think because he’s gotten into so many things lately this has made content slow down, not to mention the team went from being 7 (IE- Joan, Talyn, Camden, Davii, Quil, Thomas, and I think there was one more but I do not remember their name) in 2019-2020 to dwindling down to what I *believe* is Thomas, Quil, a part-time/contracted cinematographer, an editor, Brie, occasionally Dom, and AJ. Now this is still a lot of people however it seems to be a very chaotic/part time situation for some individuals which really boils down to Thomas, Quil, and Brie working on what I assume to be the most stuff between set design, acting, directing, editing, script writing, and art. (This isn’t to discredit other employees, I just genuinely don’t know about the rest of the team.)
And I can relate to having a tiny team and trying to do a lot of stuff! I used to work for a State political party as a Deputy Convention Director- we had to put together a political CONVENTION with over 1000 people and attendees with only a team of 8 people. (Not to mention this was a government proceeding- these attendees were voting on the primary candidates for the Party on the midterm election ballot. This was serious business conducted by only 8 people.)
Sure- we brought on volunteers the day of the convention to help but for months it was just 8 people, working on putting together a whole ass convention- and that was super hard! I can only imagine how much these guys have to work to create big projects every day. Now that’s not to say they can’t hire more people- we don’t know if they have the bandwidth to do that and frankly I don’t think we need to know the specifics. Sure, maybe an update would be nice on what’s going on team wise and business wise but at the end of the day that’s not really our business; we’re the viewers, not the project managers.
Not to mention I think ever since Covid, the hurricanes, and personal journeys, the team has been hit with some obstacles that have affected content— but understandably so.
Is the ambiguity of what’s happening frustrating?
Yes.
Can we be patient and have faith the team is working things out?
Also yes, I don’t think we have any other reason to believe otherwise.
The team has gone through a lot of turnover in the last few years- they’ve also moved offices too which I think has added to their workload. But when has the team not gone through turnovers? In employees— plans— or otherwise?
When Thomas created Sanders Sides it was NEVER supposed to be a series with this much writing and production- he’s talked about it before in live streams and behind the scenes- so the series’ foundation was built on a silly little series that was never supposed to get this involved and has since evolved to try and withstand the pressure of these cinematic masterpieces that the team pours their hearts and souls into; I’m sure the foundation has some cracks because of it, so there is BOUND to be some moments where the team might be struggling to get things together. Do I blame them? No, I really don’t, in this economy making art is hella hard and discouraging- there are obstacles every single step of the way for artists, and the fact they’re able to make content? Despite that? Incredible.
Also I know how it feels to start something that became bigger than I ever imagined- I created a comic because people wanted to know more from a small angsty post that was never supposed to have anything but a ten panel story— it was on a smaller scale but I can still relate to their situation.
Should the team consider down-scaling their video production to pump out content faster?
I don’t know. I think the team should be able to do what they want because at the end of the day they’re creating free content on a public platform. People can complain about content taking forever and the team can make the choice to listen or not since their ad revenue is reliant on views and audience interaction; but other than that they aren’t obligated to change their methods.
Should they take these complaints into consideration to try and get as much profit as possible? I think any good business would but at the end of the day- again- people aren’t paying for the content, so if the team is content with the revenue coming in from the views they do get from taking lots of time on videos, then they get to make that decision.
The team's content has always taken a lot of time, whether that be months, weeks, days, or in this case years. And though Sanders Sides has a lot of fanfare, it’s not Thomas’s only content- it’s never BEEN his only content— he has other projects, other goals, and most importantly other things he has on his priority list such as-  themed photoshoots on instagram, Patreon content, short videos/tik toks, merch deals (like plushies which have been in the works for a long time and a consumer demand), original songs/music videos, voice acting, friends, relationships, RSWR, Cartoon therapy, etc.
Now has he had a difficult time organizing all of this content?
Yes, probably- he is one man- and this channel revolves around him. I think we forget that although we have all of this content- Thomas is literally one person- and there is only so much one person can do? He can’t be in five places at once- he’s not 7 dudes standing in the same room as much as it seems like he is lol.
Now can he maybe find a way to pass on those responsibilities to other people? Yes, and he has! But only to the extent he can- as previously mentioned- the team is small, and there has been a lot of turnover. And he’s only had a team for so long- I think the team got an office around 2019? And then what happened after that?
Covid hit. And suddenly the office that they had so many plans for- had to be paused for the global pandemic that would then take place for 3 years.
We are only just getting back to normal, and so is the team. We can see this not only in the channel’s content, but I think in life.
For example, last year was my first year in college (fall of 2021) and we wore masks up until the spring- the END of my freshman year. It wouldn’t be until the fall of 2022 where things really got back to normal- and they still aren’t completely normal! Covid has rewired MUCH of our society. As a personal example- my college campus- Rutgers New Brunswick— used to have so many food trucks, festivals, and traditions that have still not come back to our university- Many places are hybrid, working from home for half the week and going into the office the other week- we have virtual meetings now, emails, texts, etc.
Not to mention the US economy is screwed up- that has a huge effect on things. We’re about to go into a recession (so we’ve been told) and that really causes a domino effect on everyone, employees, businesses, and supply chains.
Anyway- I’ve also posted here to say that on patreon live streams- although not given a direct time line- we have gotten updates about content and I’m here to reassure those who are criticizing, that the content is being worked on- it’s been in production for a while, and there has been many hiccups and obstacles outside of the teams control (including covid, turnover, and hurricanes).
Back in 2020 the finale episodes were drafted to be two episodes, since then, the episodes have developed into four parts with implications it will be a whole “production,” with other implications of musical components.
Back in 2020 the Sanders Asides were made to try and get content out faster in relation to TSS, since then, they have evolved into side stories that don’t quite fit in the general storyline but are important to develop character arcs nonetheless.
Back in 2020, Cartoon Therapy had plans, since then, many of the actors who were supposed to star in the series have- moved away, gotten busy, or were unable to be around as much as they had to be for the series itself. The last cartoon therapy episode was filmed with Joan directing from a computer.
The team is doing everything they can do to the extent they can with as much man power they’ve got at the moment.
I’m not saying don’t criticize- by all means do- however I think when we criticize we need to consider all the angles.
Does the team owe the whole community an update?
Yes! I think making a public update would be nice- maybe making a general post on Twitter or Youtube would be nice, however the team has given some updates publicly through Twitter, and Youtube Live streams, and youtube- given— they were at the beginning of 2022 and end of 2022— so it might be time for a public update rather than just keeping to patreon— but updates have been given nonetheless whether you saw it or not. (During the anniversary of TSS Thomas gave a small video update on twitter when thanking the fandom. He also has a video up on his channel from not long ago describing upcoming content)
As a patreon member I’ve always strived to try and give insight to what’s going on- on instagram I’ve made some posts about the series and what patreon has been told in order to keep the general audience updated because I felt as though that info shouldn’t be behind a paywall; others might disagree but I digress.
I think a general update would be great, however at this time those updates and information have been exclusive to patreon because the info has been provided in patreon posts and patreon live streams.
Is patreon not worth it for those looking for Sanders Sides content?
Perhaps?
I am subscribed to the Logan tier, and I signed up because I’d be getting *extra content,* not sanders sides content, *extra content.* In each tier it tells you what you’re going to get- for example in the Logan tier:
Monthly Thomas Sanders Livestreams: Watch Thomas and the team make fools of themselves once a month as they host Q&As, play unscripted games, engage in discussions and more! Just remember, what happens in Thomas Sanders live streams stays in Thomas Sanders live streams. (Livestreams live on the platform for 7 days)
Exclusive Photos and BTS Videos: All the dirty details that didn’t make it to social media! Not dirty like that, though. Like, spicy. But not spicy like that. Maybe spicy like that? Find out for yourself!!!
Watch previously released videos Ad Free! I get it, ads are boring and you've got better stuff to do, like, I don't know, watching more of our videos? Whatever. Up to you. No scales off my back.
Script Access: After videos are posted, we’ll release the scripts so that you can scratch that little Pandoric itch.
Patron-Only Poll: You’ll help us make certain video-oriented decisions! Choose wisely... there’s no wrong answer, but I might judge you for yours.
Extended Versions of Unscripted Videos: Because there was just too much footage for YouTube to handle.
Nothing in here says that the patreon will provide extra Sanders sides content. Sure, the patreon is themed to be TSS, but it never guaranteed extra TSS content- just extra content overall; fine print. (Not to mention the patreon blossomed from the YouTube Membership which never guaranteed extra TSS content either- just live streams and video talk backs. So the patreon was never founded on providing extra TSS content, just like how the YT membership was never founded on extra TSS content, just extra content).
Is that misleading? Yes, a little bit. It’s definitely a grab- a hook- but Sanders Sides is a big part of Thomas’ channel so it makes sense why it would be themed that way.
Is it a little disappointing when you go into it thinking it’s going to be more TSS content?
Yeah, a little, but at that point you can either decide to pay for that extra content or not.
The tiers are clear on the content they offer, so it is the consumers choice to purchase or not.
As a Logan tier I can say that I am getting what I am paying for, however I cannot speak for the other tiers, since I do not pay or experience the extra content for those tiers. I pay $50 dollars a year for exclusive live streams and general content updates; that’s really it. If at any point I think the patreon is not worth that $50 dollars I will stop my subscription.
As a Logan tier subscriber- I am content with the content.
I am curious to know if other tiers are content as well or disappointed and why they are disappointed.
I went back to the one tweet people have been reblogging from twitter where a fan @-ed Thomas and said:
“@ThomasSanders I know you work hard, and I love you a lot, but it’s been a year and there is still no updates on the season finale of sanders sides, where is it? ;-;”
To which Thomas responded:
“I’ve kept people posted on where I’m at with the finale here, in livestreams, and on Patreon to the extent that I feel comfortable doing. And I appreciate your excitement, but putting pressure on someone to deliver content they’re working hard on is never healthy or productive.”
I think there’s more to this than just surface level stuff. For one- Thomas has had a bad history with giving explicit release dates for videos. There have been several instances in the past where he has given us a release date and then it ended up being too early, and a technical difficulty with editing arrived.
Because of this awful track record of giving out release dates and then essentially jinxing himself (he has apologized so much every time this has happened in the past) I think the sentence where he says “to the extent I that I feel comfortable doing” is in reference to these past instances.
The next part of the tweet he takes time to sympathize with the poster, saying he appreciates their excitement- which I’m sure he genuinely does- however he follows this up by setting a boundary, one that I think we should all be aware of. Now- should he have responded to this tweeter?
I think he probably could’ve left it alone, and that this reply tweet is probably the product of him getting asked the same question over and over and over again by thousands of people everyday. I don’t know about you but if someone asked me the same question every day I would probably be very frustrated too!
Was the fan pressuring Thomas as he states?
They probably weren't, however the implied tone of their tweet does imply they are complaining about the wait time a little- and that’s not constructive- regardless, tones are HARD to read in tweets, so I don’t fault Thomas for responding the way he did, however I do think there was a genuine misunderstanding between either party in this instance and there could’ve been constructive communication over all; this is a learning moment from both sides, so I don’t think we should fault either.
While I searched for this tweet I also noted some things that Thomas worked on between October 2022 and December of 2022: TSS Halloween photoshoot-
In october of 2022 on the anniversary of Sanders Sides he posted a video on twitter talking a little about what they’re doing and thanking the fandom for the support:
https://twitter.com/ThomasSanders/status/1582928124979064832?s=20&t=98MtVvNZe3HesfeC892K_A
RSWR was the focus for the fall of 2022
Into the unknown was ALSO a focus for the fall of 2022
Youtooz and Plushies (which fans of the fandom have asked for since the start of the patreon- they had a whole live stream dedicated to asking fans for merch ideas, content ideas, etc)
He went to New York in the fall to collab with the try guys
I also went and found the other tweet people have been spreading around recently which looked like this:
Thomas tweets: “Nobody is more ready for us to start filming the next Sanders Sides than me… I’m so frickin excited”
To which a tweeter replies: “you’d be surprised Thomas, but I think everyone that’s been paying you for over a year without getting anything are way more excited than you… (Not me, I never had the money)”
To which Thomas replies: “I find that juuuuust a slight bit offensive and reductive, when we’ve actually been working hard all year creating a lot of things including Sanders Sides- related content. I’d hope those that are supporting us want us to create all the thing’s we’re passionate about.”
Then the tweeter responds: “I’m sorry it came out this way! This isn’t my opinion, I have a couple of friends who signed up for patreon (which was heavily marketed with TSS) expecting to get more TSS content, and were disappointed when they barely got anything. (Their words) Still appreciate you and all you do!”
Let's look at the first reply- the user essentially makes a statement that people have been paying Thomas to create Sanders Sides content- I think this is a misguided statement as they are referring to the patreon subscribers who pay for their tiers on a monthly basis for certain rewards and exclusive content. Now we’ve been over this in earlier paragraphs- the Patreon was never founded on the idea of “extra TSS content” it was founded on the idea of “extra content” in general- so the user is a little misguided here when they claim “everyones been paying you for over a year without getting anything-”
Now as a Logan Tier, I can only speak for myself not for other tiers and I can say with certainty I have gotten everything I have paid for- live streams, updates, polls, scripts, and BTS.
So from my standpoint, I am not paying Thomas to create extra TSS content, and according to the tier’s outline, no one in the logan tier should either.
(Again I cannot speak for the other tiers as I do not know if they’ve gotten everything they’ve paid for).
And after reading the other tiers and what they have for exclusive content, there isn’t anything in the writing that says people will get extra “TSS content,” just extra “content.”
Let’s move on to Thomas’ reply where he takes offense, and says he’s been working on “lots of things” which he has been-
He’s done:
Roleslaying with Roman
Blooper reel
Gavin sides
Trying Too Hard
Five Nights of Screaming (joystick joyride)
What does Mercury in Retrograde mean?
Real or fake Anime?
Strange things running up that hill
Can plushies improve our health?
Taking on taskmaster
Into the unknown
“We need to find the big lady” resident evvil
Wednesday dance
Dark Sides Ad commercial
Why is it called “broadway” Plus:
Instagram shorts
Shout out sunday
MANY TSS photo shoots
Art shout outs
Comfort characters photoshoot
This is content he pushes to EVERYONE- this isn’t paid for by anyone-
Sure, people give him money through the patreon, and the money probably goes towards some of these things- but the money also in turn gives people exclusive content on patreon that is not available to the general public.
When you pay for patreon, Thomas gives exclusive content in return (on the terms set) and the money goes towards making content.
So when the user responds:
“I’m sorry it came out this way! This isn’t my opinion, I have a couple of friends who signed up for patreon (which was heavily marketed with TSS) expecting to get more TSS content, and were disappointed when they barely got anything. (Their words) Still appreciate you and all you do!”
It doesn’t really matter what the friends have to say about patreon, because when you pay for patreon you’re not paying for TSS content, even if it is TSS themed- the terms are there as written- you are paying for exclusive content in general, not specifically TSS content.
Now we’ve already gone over the fact that having the Patreon TSS themed is a bit of a grab- it’s a hook to get you interested- but again, it was never promised that people would get extra Sanders Sides content- they would just get extra content with TSS being part of that when applicable.
Not to mention in October of 2021 Thomas made an instagram post (and assuming it was a twitter post too) describing the content that Patreon would have in the coming years. (2021-2022)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVBCnHPJSgw/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
So the team was completely transparent about what would be on patreon.
Also when Patreon first debuted this is the video they used on Instagram to advertise:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGLR51ojElr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Where Janus literally tells the audience they would get “extra content” if they went to Thomas’s patreon and subscribed.
He also made this video a little over a year ago: https://youtu.be/OiUUdYfob_8
Which is an update to what they’re working on…
To be fair there are some video projects we haven’t seen that were mentioned in that video update^^ and I think that’s a fair criticism! However- again- back to the point of people paying for this content- no one is explicitly paying for the general content made on the free viewing platform of YouTube- patreons are paying for exclusive content where funds are also being pooled to make Youtube content as well.
Overall, I think the criticism is valid in some points- Thomas seems to be doing a lot and the crowding of projects is definitely probably making things harder however that doesn’t mean the team isn’t working very hard on the season finales. They are a small team that got hit by covid during production and had to reroute in order to figure out what to do next.
I think it’s valid to want a general update on how things are going, but for now things are being worked on, they have been being worked on amongst a lot of other content that has been made in the past year as well.
I’m not here to tell people they should stop criticizing, I am here to offer my insight, my thoughts, and how I have analyzed the situation. And I hope my patreon insight helps clear some things up; I also hope my reasoning skills have helped people internalize all of the criticism as well.
We are all humans- and there are ways we can all improve, including ourselves and the team. But I do believe that the team has been working very hard to put content together, through a lot of obstacles out of their control.
I don’t think the lack of TSS content means they aren’t working on the finale, I think it means that they are working as hard as they can on the finale amongst other projects they want to work on as creative people. Is that slowing the process of the finale? Maybe, but it’s not our place to dictate what content they create.
And hey, if you don’t like the other content then that's fine, you aren’t obligated to like it, but at the end of the day no one is paying anyone for anything specific thing- Thomas is creating content, posting it to a public platform where he benefits from ad revenue and the audience benefits from being entertained.
With Patreon, the terms and conditions for exclusive content are stated, and for the Logan tier, things are at least good and people are getting what they are paying for per the tier terms and conditions of rewards.
It doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement on all ends, it just means that stated terms and conditions are being met on all sides- people get free content through youtube, and people who are paying get the exclusive content as stated (at least for the Logan tier). I empathize with those who miss Sanders Sides. I miss it too! But I would rather the team take their time, get rest, and make other fun content than them spend every waking second trying to pump out content- especially when no one explicitly pays for just Sanders Sides- But that’s just me. 
Thanks for reading, -Rixitup (not looking for feedback- or comments- or replies- this is my analysis and that’s that. people are welcome to think and say whatever they want) 
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miguel-manbemel · 7 months
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I've been in the Thomas Sanders fandom for almost nine years now. That means I was there way before Sanders Sides, and that at this point I'll remain following him way after Sanders Sides is over. That doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else, but I think that that gives me a little bit of right to speak my opinion, and I'm gonna do it, because I've been holding it back for far too long when I've seen so much bullshit all around, especially on Tumblr, and I can't help it anymore. I need to speak and I'm gonna speak, no matter who likes what I say and no matter who's bothered by what I say.
Sanders Sides started in October 2016, but it didn't get truly big until 2017. And 2017 was "Fander year", it was the year Thomas was most prolific and released the highest amount of work: the bulk of season 1 and a big chunk of season 2 of Sanders Sides, and to that we have to add the first episode of Cartoon Therapy, the last few Vines before it was shut down and a production of shorts comparable of his big years on Vine, and to that we add the vlogs, the music, his big projects like Bizardvaark, etc. And back then at the beginning it was Thomas alone, Joan and Talyn joined around February, March, and it was only the three of them the rest of the year and part of 2018. They worked their asses off for these months, to the point that all the three of them with no exception ended up getting sick. Joan even had to go through hospital and Talyn was eventually forced to retire altogether because of the complications stress caused in his Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. Not to mention that Thomas and the others spent literal sleepless nights editing Sanders Sides, the record being 36 consecutive hours of editing without sleep so that he could release a Sanders Sides episode faster (I think it was Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning). I don't know if some people here know it, but Thomas has confessed to be a little bit workaholic, and we all know he's a perfectionist in his work, he will only release what he considers is the best for him when it's ready, nothing more nothing less.
There's people that, sure, have praised Thomas beyond what is considered healthy and that have been assholes with other people who had constructive criticisms (and not all criticism has been constructive), but certainly, specially on Tumblr, there's people who don't know the meaning of the word "fair judgment" and vent all their personal frustrations onto Thomas like he was responsible of all evils in the world. If excessive positivity is toxic, excessive negativity is toxic too, and also damaging, not to mention potencially a crime of libel if they go too far and start damaging his reputation and good name with lies. I'm still seeing people talking about the animator thing like they know first person what happened, saying happily that Thomas "didn't pay the animators", like it was something true and a fact. The animators did not even get to a unified unique conclusion about anything. Some of the animators got mad and left the fandom immediately, others stayed to literally bitch around and criticize (and some caused more harm in the process than anything they were accusing Thomas and team of doing)... while other animators remain in good terms with Thomas and still follow him with the same passion, and also there are animators that called out other animators for their toxicity while the work was in progress. It's time to set things clear: the animators were paid what they signed in their contracts, they said that and they recognized that without exception. It was their own responsibility to read such contracts and investigate the internet and what is considered a good amount of payment, they should have done that beforehand and not sign if they didn't agree, because once they signed, they're bound and they have no right to complain because they agreed to that salary and it looked okay for them before signing, otherwise they wouldn't have, that's something even some animators said. So please, stop using that to spread hatred on Thomas. Not even the whole bunch of the animators supports you on this, and clearly if you weren't there you have no word to say. Officially, a portion of the animators spoke to the team, and ammended things privately, that was what was published and that is where it should have ended five years ago. So the rest of the world should just shut up about it. This is not and should not be treated as a reality show because it has nothing public at all. This is something private between the animators and the team, and third persons should not use it as an excuse to spread hoaxes and hatred against the team. Stop it already and mind your own business.
That was one thing I wanted to let out, but the other thing is about the people complaining, and complaining, and complaining about how they don't get the content THEY want faster. I'm talking about those who think Thomas should do Sanders Sides and nothing else, because "it's what Patrons pay for", "it's his biggest source of income", "blah, blah, blah"... I am a Patron, and I know what I signed for when I joined Patron: "more content, more frequently", nowhere in that sentence it is mentioned it would be Sanders Sides only, or even mainly and if anyone read that it's something they assumed on their own, not the reality and certainly not binding. We've gone through a drought of content because there was a pandemic, in case anyone didn't notice. But he's releasing more content now, in all platforms, so he's commiting to his promise about Patreon. My money is well spent and I won't let anyone say otherwise. Please, kindly refrain to speak in my name as a Patron, thank you. If any other feels differently and is on Patreon, he's always free to unsubscribe when he wants, but don't repeat the lie that you "subscribed because he promised more Sanders Sides more frequently", because that's literally a falsehood. And speaking about Patreon and the "writer's tier", I don't know what you think the writer's room is about. The team only gives the writer light suggestions about what jokes could work well or things that could be featured specifically as ideas for the script, they don't get any power of decission in the plot and they don't even get to know the plot at all because the questions are vague. Don't give so much importance to the writer's room, because i's nothing of the other world, despite some people trying to make it a bigger issue than it is, usually people who are not even in the writer's room and therefore don't know what they're talking about, as usual. About the "Sanders Sides being his biggest source of income and therefore, he should stick to that"... well, sorry to break it to you, but have you been around his TikTok recently? He has recently released a Storytime short and a Misleading Compliment short, and the audience went literally crazy, and the new sketch videos are working like charm. Sanders Sides might be a huge success of his, but his short videos (the 10 seconds long and the 4 minutes long) are, and will always be, his biggest source of fame, they've always been since Vine. Remember, he has 10 million followers on TikTok, almost triple his YouTube follower count. And from these 10 million followers, not so many even know what Sanders Sides is because they didn't follow him on YouTube. You have to deal with the fact that Thomas could cancel Sanders Sides today, and he'd still have a very decent lifelihood thanks to the short videos. He makes Sanders Sides because he wants to and because it's a personal project of his. It's you who's in desperate need of Sanders Sides, not him, stop projecting.
Where am I going with this? It is okay to dislike Thomas, no one forces you to like him, and it's okay if his type of humor is not for you anymore. But you are not the center of the universe. There are still millions of people who enjoy what he makes whatever it is, and Thomas is not there to give you the content you want all the time like a video-making-machine. He's not going back to 2017-2018 when he literally destroyed his health with too much work. I know a lot of Fanders joined the fandom at that time, got used to that rythm of releases and miss it, but that time is not coming back, because above else, Thomas and his team are human beings, not slaves at your service and their mental an physical health is more important than your need for entertainment. If you can't accept that, you should seriously consider moving forward to other forms of entertainment that are more of your liking. And moving forward means moving forward completely, not going back and forth publishing insulting or condescending posts against Thomas and his team that are not gonna help you get content faster. Just because you are an "addict" to Sanders Sides (if you were just "invested", you wouldn't get to some extents I've seen some people get to) and didn't get served your daily dose of hyperfixation, that gives you no right to bitch around against the creators. It's your responsiblity to look for your own sources of entertainment wherever you can find them, but you have no right to demand anyone to make anything for you, because this is internet, not an a la carte restaurant. You have plenty of content created by hundreds of content creators anywhere, just choose it and consume it. But don't forget it's content creators who decide what, where and when they create anything, not the audience. The right of the audience is to like whatever or not, to follow whoever or not. It's not your business how he runs his business or his working schedules, because that's private. You only have a right to consume the final product, not to control every step of the production, and it's time some people start remembering this and pump the brakes with their attitude.
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monstrcatz · 3 months
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another sander sides au: actors!!
roman and remus would be genuine twins irl, but get this they're british. british people who do very good american accents. they're very close despite their characters being distant and hating one another.
roman is more shy irl then his character. but he's very similar in aesthetic tastes. probably cause he's British but he can be pretty proper. he also doesn't know jack shit about American history so sometimes he won't get certain references the cast makes.
remus is more modest, but he fs would make some inappropriate jokes. compilations being made titled "remus being like sanders!Remus for 8 minutes and 17 seconds". still the gremlin out of the two twins.
logan would also be british maybe, and i think he'd be more goofy in real life rather than smart and strict. he's actually very chill compared to others.
patton would be the most sarcastic as well as knowledgeable. people would joke that him and logan switch personalities irl. he's actually a bit more a dad in real life than on screen. think kind of pedro pascal.
thomas is just thomas, he'd be the most like his character out of them all.
janus would be soo sassy and that's why janus in the series would get sassier as times went on rather than dark and edgy, because he would deliver lines in a certain way and the audience would eat it up. he'd be the second nicest person on set. he'd talk about how he actually hates snakes in real life, and gets freaked out by his scaly makeup most the time.
virgil would be the biggest sweetheart. like hed be super sweet. every time his character says something remotely mean he's always apologizing the second the scene cuts. a big contrast to his edgy, emo persona.
Joan and Talyn are the directors / producers!!!
they would be known as one of the most genuine casts, and even once the series eventually ends they would all still be super close and hang out a lot.
🎭
does some of this make sense to their characters? no!! but that's okay because it's an actor au it's supposed to be different irl.
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Joan gave the characters their spark it's sad to see it didn't carry on after they left the team, I think Thomas can write characters like Logan, Roman and Patton ok in theory but the dark sides? I'm scared to see their future characterization it's already gone downhill for the dark sides (Remus and Virgil)
I think part of the reason for this is because Remus and Virgil are both written with specific mental health issues in mind that Thomas doesn’t have much knowledge on himself. A lot of the input for the anxiety and intrusive thoughts came from Joan and Talyn.
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loganslowdown4 · 1 year
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fangirltothefullest · 3 hours
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So, I just reread the SCP logs for the Sanders Sides AU and I know you might return to them at some point, but I have a few spoiler questions if you wouldn't mind answering those (feel free to ignore this if you do, or just answer some of them if you only like a few of them, idk, I'm just curious and impatient 😂)
You hinted that Janus has coils and is warm while Virgil can shapeshift to some degree. What exactly are their powers though? Is Janus 'just' a naga or is there more to it? And can Virgil only shift into animals or whatever he wants?
Will Remus and Roman ever be separate? Like can Remus have his own body at some point? In the log Thomas said that Roman is willingly possessed, why?
Once they escape, do they find a safe place to stay? Are Joan, Talyn and Picani with them?
Janus isn't just a naga, it's some kind of anomalous serpent of immeasurable mass with coils that seem unending. There is a way to see the head fully (as far as the foundation knows) but you can get close by seeing the two side by side eyes shadowed in the coils. It also has eyes all over the majority of the coils themselves, but they are more haphazard. There is no way to determine where the "end" of the serpent is, though it's speculated to have humanoid arms somewhere inside. No one has ever seen the tail and all xrays show it's just continually shifting and moving interconnected lengths of bones within the serpent coils, other than the two arms which seem to shift positions, indicating it's continual movement is in fact a constant.
Virgil's shifting isn't like... shapeshifting into animals, it's almost more like mirroring whatever it is looking at. It predominantly has a shadowed form and when it manifests to speak with or copy what it's looking at it will do so and look directly like a mirror of the thing it's looking at. It is unknown if the Virgil scp has a regular form buit it is suspected that the shadowy smoke-like humanoid shape it holds when not directly looking at a person to mimic could be it's original form or the closest to it's original form.
Remus is the thing possessing? the crown and Roman is a willing host to it. They're pretty much around the same age and they just kind of agreed that roman would be possessed by it. whether this was a willing agreement or some sort of mind-altering effect of the Remus crown scp is unknown at this time.
Thomas is an anomalous entity, unknowingly, and is an Arc for those specific SCPs to escape into.
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fanderstuckin2018 · 1 month
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Every time people from other fandoms I’m in say “shipping real people is weird!” or “you can’t ship them, they never met!”
I remember the times we as a fandom shipped Thomas’s microwave with his printer.
And the times we shipped the physical embodiment of Sleep with a therapist.
And the times we shipped actual real life people and made them fanfiction characters (Joan, Talyn, Val, Terrence, etc....)
Dang
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I feel like (imo from being a creative and having life get in the way) Thomas plotted out s2 and how it was supposed to go a long time ago and then his whole fricken world changed. Cause like, first it was the production company, then Joan and Talyn, then several health scares, then a relationship and a breakup, and, obviously, and entire pandemic and a hurricane ruining part of his studio. And that's just the stuff externally. So I get why it's taking so long, cause he wants to make it perfect, and he can't change his plans for s2 at this point, because it will ruin basically everything. Plus, with Into the Unknown and the among us videos, right, it's clear he's trying his best to put content out there. So I can understand where he is.
I think I'm just frustrated because I miss when we had stuff like Thomas and Friends content, like Real or Fake Anime or Joystick Joyride and stuff. I feel like the Sides/Cartoon Therapy wait would be less painful if we were getting a bit more content on that end, you know? Cause while it's been a long time, I still feel like it would've mitigated the pain seeing him a little more frequently. Plus, I think Roleslaying would feel less odd if there was other content going out around as often as the once-a-week uploads for a month or so, rather than it being basically all the content we see from him, now.
I know Thomas is also getting to a better place with bulk recording an the like, and I'm genuinely still excited to see what's coming up. It just sometimes feels like Thomas is hyperfocusing on the big projects, and not letting himself enjoy the stuff that makes the bigger projects feel more substantial, if that makes sense.
i kinda agree im not sure i haven’t made up my mind on this. i liked the videos with his friends before but they’ve also gotten so extra that i no longer watch them either, im now one of those fans just waiting for sanders sides. but i do wish he would make simpler fun things either small sanders sides episodes or small vlogs. i miss his vlogs. but mostly because of nostalgia, those things made me company through the worst years of high school lol. anyway getting off topic.
i do think thomas is trying his best, i do not doubt that in the slightest. but even when you try your best if you don’t have a good strategy the results might not be the best. but i dont know what their strategy is so i can’t judge i guess.
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yeah like. they pushed the limits of what they could do with what they had back since accepting anxiety. and then they got better equipment and staff and stuff and instead of saying “now we can do the same things in less time and with less effort” they went “now we can do even bigger things that push our limits just as much!”
which is their decision to make not mine but i assume that’s where some of that stress might be coming from.
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yes i agree with all of this. there’s some blogs that have posted criticism or defenses against criticism that i just find incredibly mean spirited or that make good points but phrase it in aggressive ways i don’t like.
i think whichever opinion you have it’s best to be open minded. acknowledge our own feelings and talk about them without attacking anyone. it’s okay to feel frustrated and angry and then we’re responsible about what we do with those emotions. and i think it’s cool to talk about them with other fanders that have felt the same. just stay open minded about what others have to say and then make up your mind about how much you agree or disagree.
and keep in mind that we know nothing about how thomas and co work. on both sides. like you cant claim their workflow is perfect nor claim it’s horrible because we just don’t know. but we can say we’re feeling disappointed or bored or annoyed or whatever because those are our own feelings.
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yeah again this is my blog and i post what i want. and im doing my job by tagging and warning them.
and also thomas is a grown man in his thirties who has been a social media personality for, what? maybe almost a decade? im sure he knows how to be responsible about it and not go digging to read criticism of his work to get hurt by it. or at least i hope so. if he doesn’t then that’s out of my hands as well. and the hundreds of people supporting him on the replies of all his tweets more than make up for a handful of blogs that make angry posts every once in a while.
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yes that’s understandable. but i still don’t know. if thomas has these personal problems that are so serious that they cause his content to come sooo slowly and still cause him to have this much stress then he should probably just take a huge actual break. and let us know about it. without necessarily telling us the reason of course.
if after Putting Others First or the last Asides he had said “hey im going on a hiatus for big projects like sanders sides and cartoon therapy while i figure stuff out, but i’ll film x kind of content because it requires less effort and i enjoy it” or even that the entire channel is going on hiatus, and then he came back like a year later and said “okay we’re back first thing we’re doing is writing the finale script!” or whatever then that would have been less frustrating than this. even if it had taken the same 3 years. because at least afterwards you know that he’s better and the wait would be worth it. at least that’s my opinion.
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