#kazusasuke

[gear-project]

When I looked at Quotes for Nagoriyuki on the Guilty Gear Wiki, one of them, he says "As a retainer of Kazusanosuke, I will face you." who is Kazusanosuke? Could it be Happy Chaos' real name?

Kazusanosuke / Kazusasuke (early beta typo) is a pseudonym for Oda Nobunaga, who was Yasuke's former master.

It's presumed that Nagoriyuki is actually Yasuke from the distant past, before he became a Vampire. I talked all about Nobunaga earlier.

#Yasuke #Nagoriyuki #Oda Nobunaga #Kazusasuke

[valentinecult]

Kazusasuke and Nagoriyuki

Okay, so we have bits and pieces of Nagoriyuki’s origins and role in the story of Guilty Gear.

The one thing that didn’t cross my mind is his quote; “I, the retainer of Kazusasuke, will be your opponent.”

All this I thought....Kazusasuke was a place, not a person. So, we now know Nagoriyuki isn’t alone, he is probably working for someone. 

I’ll be perfectly honest, I feel really dumb not realizing Kazusasuke was actually referred as a person, not a place in Japan in-lore. I can be a ditz at times lol

#Nagoriyuki #guilty gear #kazusasuke #ggstrive #arc system works #misunderstanding #i feel dumb #my brain is slow #oof #i need to pay attention

[gear-project]

With everything we know so far right now about Nagoriyuki and the role he played in the story, is it likely that his 'Keep Out' labels are referencing or interpreting the fact that he wants to be alone and keep people from getting too close to him since he is a vampire who is starving for blood?

That is one possibility... the other points to something more significant:

Ishiwatari didn't say it outright, but he did indirectly suggest (in recent interviews) that Nagoriyuki was based on the "historical" individual Yasuke, and that his master was Kazusanosuke... which was a pseudonym for Oda Nobunaga himself.

The REAL "historical" Oda Nobunaga who supposedly died during a coup.

There have been various "interpretations" about what happened to Nobunaga himself over the years. In most historical text he is forced to commit seppuku along with some of his family during the coup and betrayal from one of his retainers.

However, there are other Anime and Popular Culture interpretations which suggest that he survived the incident only to become a demon.

While most write off the latter sources as pure fiction, it is very easy to suggest that Nobunaga's death (or disappearance if you will) became something of an urban legend.

But, you see, that's where things become more interesting (at least as far as the world of Guilty Gear is concerned).

In a world where UMAs (aliens), ghosts, demons, vampires, giants, fairies, and other supernatural beings exist (born of the Backyard, or otherwise), such an "incident" would not necessarily be as insignificant as History itself would suggest!

Rather, the story about Nobunaga becoming a "demon", might very well be true... if Vampire lore has any connections to that tale!

Of course, what I am currently stating is 100% PURE SPECULATION... and while Nagoriyuki himself is truly a vampire... it's possible that said speculation has no connection whatsoever, depending on how the story actually plays out.

For now, just keep the possibility tucked away in the back of your mind... it's an urban legend... and urban legends tend to "carry more weight" in a story like Guilty Gear!

#Nagoriyuki #KEEP OUT #Kazusasuke #Kazusasunosuke #Yasuke #Speculated Data #Unconfirmed Info #GG Labels #Urban Legends

[gear-project]

In one of Nago's interactions, he says he is a retainer for "Kazusasuke". Is that character in the lore? Also when he fights Chipp he asks if the ninja knows " Tsuyoshi", is he an important character?

Supposedly, Nagoriyuki is Kazusasuke’s “Retainer” (in other words, Nagoriyuki is working as his servant-for-hire, either as a bodyguard, or assassin, or some other physical capacity.)

I do not know who Kazusasuke is, as he has never once been mentioned in previous GG games, but I do know the name is Japanese.... so he more than likely has connections to both the Japanese Island Nation (that was destroyed) and some distant connection with the Assassins’ Organization (via Slayer and other Vampires).

Nagoriyuki says that Chipp “knows certain moves” that are identical to that of his own, which suggests the two have some deep connection shared via Tsuyoshi, Chipp’s old master (former Assassin, but secret agent under the International Police Force, according to secret records gathered from Ky Kiske).

Basically, Nagoriyuki and Chipp seem to both know (or have knowledge that is derived in) the Tsuyoshi-shiki Style Ninjutsu (or Samurai equivalent).

Nagoriyuki never openly stated who his “master” was.... except to suggest it might have been some “old man” according to Sol Badguy (this may or may not be Slayer, as Sol is rather vague whenever he says “old man”).

Being a retainer to Kazusasuke means that is whom Nagoriyuki currently “works for”... and not necessarily the master who taught him his fighting style.

Still.... it’s pretty wild to speculate that Tsuyoshi might have known Nagoriyuki some time in the distant past.

As for Kazusasuke.... again, there’s nothing on him yet!

We’ll just have to wait and find out!

#Kazusasuke #Nagoriyuki #Tsuyoshi #Chipp Zanuff #GG Mysteries

[valentinecult]

So, Nagoriyuiki is Slayer's student?

Very likely. 

But, keep in mind, his dialogue with Sol is kept vague. I would take it with a grain of salt until we see the story. 

Guilty Gear’s story is more complex than you think. There is a lot of red herrings and possible misdirections. Nagoriyuki is still a mystery since he is the new kid around the block. 

Kazusasuke is a mystery, Nagoriyuki’s supposed boss. We don’t know much about him, hell...there could be a possibility that Kazusasuke might be a vampire himself! But that is just speculation.

#kazusasuke #Nagoriyuki #slayer (guilty gear) #Sol Badguy #guilty gear #guilty gear strive #ggstrive #arc system works

[valentinecult]

Hey VC, so do you have a theory about who Kazusasuke is?

There’s still vague information on this person. All we know is that he might be Nagoriyuki’s ‘boss’ and he’s probably a man of great importance. 

But I can say his existence is enough to clarify that Nagoriyuki isn’t alone. I actually think he could be the one that created and gave Nagoriyuki the high tech youkai/oni mask to help him with his vampiric urges, if the Mask Limiter Theory is correct. 

That’s all I have to say for now. We just gotta wait. 

#Nagoriyuki #kazusasuke #guilty gear #guilty gear strive #ggstrive #arc system works #Daisuke Ishiwatari

[valentinecult]

The saddest moment in Guilty Gear Strive's story in your opinion?

There are two I want to mention.

1. I-No's past and situation- You can say whatever you want about I-No, but when you look into her history and hear the story about her lover named Will disappearing, god...I felt really bad. I couldn't see her as being evil, I think she is more misunderstood. Her death in the finale, when it was revealed that Axl Low is indeed Will, her boyfriend--at least from another timeline....that broke me to tears. Even now, I'm mourning for I-No because she was my most favorite antagonist of Guilty Gear. At least Axl Low got some closure.

2. Nagoriyuki's 'sacrifice' and story- Listen to me, I will say it again....I am aware of the controversy on his role in the story mode, which I doubt was really the intention, but its whatever. Daisuke to me did a good job in making him different from Slayer and more sympathetic and 'human' due to how vulnerable he is in parts of the story. His mannerisms and personality made him likeable and confirms to me that he isn't really the true 'villain' of Strive, just a pawn. The part where he lets his guard down on purpose to let Sol win their duel honestly had me in tears because that man was willing to die with honor than to live for the rest of his life being a pawn to Chaos. Also, in the Arcade Stories, it is implied and somewhat confirmed that he is struggling with his urges to drink blood to the point where he warns everyone to get away from him because he didn't want to hurt people. What is also saddening is that Kazusasuke, his feudal lord passed away and Nagoriyuki is alone. I really wanted to give that man a hug.

#guilty gear #guilty gear strive #ggstrive #nagoriyuki #i no #arc system works #daisuke ishiwatari

[gear-project]

Additional SPECULATION on Mr. Black Halo/ Guy calling himself "Happy Chaos".

---When Jack-O' was created, she stated she was made from a "core dump" of Justice' Memory Core. Meaning "SHE" was created from Aria Hale's Memories.

---Happy Chaos was created as a response to I-No, if she would awaken her powers and lose control of them. (If Happy Chaos was a backup of Jack-O'... then it's expected she'd ALSO be an extract from Justice' Memory Core.... right?

---The Happy Chaos we CURRENTLY SEE was extracted from Ariels' BODY... but how would Ariels even have Happy Chaos in the first place?

Asuka was "at war" with the Universal Will... his intent was to end her as a THREAT... this "private war" was what started the Crusades, the Gear Rebellion!

---So unless Ariels managed to "steal" Happy Chaos from Asuka for herself... there's no immediate connection between THIS Happy Chaos (Male) and the Happy Chaos Valentine (Jack-O' copy, Justice Backup) that Asuka R. Kreutz created....

---Furthermore... if Happy Chaos really WAS meant to "defeat I-No" as a safety... why is THIS Happy Chaos working FOR I-No????

---In addition, this guy (Mr. Black Halo, guy CALLING HIMSELF Happy Chaos) seems to be working with (possibly manipulating) Nagoriyuki besides...

---Is Nagoriyuki working for I-No???? I doubt his standards would ALLOW THAT.... he earlier said that he served a man named Kazusasuke!!

---Furthermore, if Ariels really WAS the enemy of mankind, why seal away Happy Chaos inside her body? She could've easily used him as a subordinate... or was he too powerful to control? But if he was something "That Man" created... wouldn't it make more sense to use Happy Chaos against Asuka (and I-No for that matter)?

---Additional Facts to consider: Ariels "originally" did not know that Jack-O' existed... so how could she know that Happy Chaos existed? Even Bedman was "shocked" when he learned of Jack-O's existence... so how would Ariels come in to contact with Happy Chaos? Unless it was a "different" Happy Chaos?

SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THESE FACTS DO NOT ADD UP... I AM STILL SKEPTICAL IF THIS GUY REALLY IS "HAPPY CHAOS VALENTINE" (even if he has a Black Halo)...

#Mr. Black Halo #Happy Chaos Valentine #Speculated Data #Unconfirmed Info

[gear-project]

So, Giovanna is the bodyguard of the American President and Nagoriyuki is the retainer of Kazusasuke. It is funny that the newcomers are superpowered bodyguards.

Not really, especially since it was heavily hinted at that the G4 (Great Four) International Summit would be taking place...

A lot of *very* important people will be going to that event, so of course they would come prepared with protection (deserved or otherwise, not all politics is clean).

#G4 Summit #GG Politics

[valentinecult]

On the GG story news, it's confirmed that Nagoriyuki's mask is indeed his limiter, but his sword being cursed isn't, it is just a blood sucking sword to help relieve his urges.

I’m aware of that.

Although, again, the story isn’t out yet, so they’re not going to give us all the full details on Nagoriyuki, that will spoil surprises. 

I wouldn’t say the mask being his limiter is 100% confirmed until we get more information on how it actually works, but judging how it works overall seems uncannily similar to Sol’s Dragon Install headband. However, if we can take the gameplay mechanics into consideration, it might be more fragile than Sol’s headband since any reckless Nagoriyuki player can easily enter Blood Rage.

Now, the question is....who made Nagoriyuki’s mask? Even though Sol created the headband to suppress his Gear cells, I highly doubt Nagoriyuki built his own mask unless they reveal more about his past. It’s very likely that Kazusasuke made it for him to help suppress the impulses. 

As for the sword, yeah it is a blood sucking sword, but do we know how it actually works? Ask yourself; WHY does Nagoriyuki’s health bar go down rapidly fast when entering Blood Rage? I still firmly believe that his sword is cursed and it might be doing more harm than good onto his body. 

#guilty gear #guilty gear strive #ggstrive #arc system works #daisuke ishiwatari #theories #Speculation #unconfirmed info #Nagoriyuki

[gear-project]

I hate to assume but I am afraid of Nagoriyuki being a jobber in the story mode because Giovanna looks like she is giving him a hard fight in the trailer.

Well he’s already a “jobber” because he’s working as a retainer for his Master  Kazusasuke.

But just because he’s on the job and fighting someone doesn’t make what he’s doing necessarily a bad thing.

We just need to find out what he’s doing exactly and what his objectives are.

He’s probably only doing his job, just like Giovanna is only doing HER job...

Even Potemkin has gotten in to fights with the likes of Chipp over a misunderstanding or two, so it’s not like characters haven’t crossed blades over an altercation or two that simply needed to be cleared up better.

Just be patient for the story to come out, and we’ll find out soon.

[gear-project]

Assuming Kazusasuke is the "Old man" Sol was referring to instead of Slayer, could this mean we have yet another ridiculously powerful old dude in GG's cast?

POSSIBLY.  I can’t say for sure.... Sol is a Bounty Hunter, so he’s been around the world quite a few times already, not to mention he is 170+ years old.

For now, I just don’t want to rule out the possibility that Sol is referring to someone else besides Slayer as an “old man” (but since Nagoriyuki is a vampire, it’s not necessarily a coincidence).