I don't get why people hate Agamemnon THAT much. Like yeah, he killed his daughter, but the gods wanted him to and he was very traumatized by that. Like ok, he had slaves but l don't think he ever touched them. And don't get me started on his nightmare childhood, So, why do they hate him that much? I hate some parts of him too but, generally l feel bad for him. Can someone explain it to me? (btw if you come here like "in the tsoa..." don't come at all, there's the door 👉🚪)
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The Tomb of Agamemnon by Louis Jean Desprez
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Fuck yeah
(Euripides Medea, translated by Robin Robertson)
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It may be absolutely unfaithfull to the true characterization, but I love Troy version of Agamemnon. As a villian he is fucking hilarious, just check on this:
The inside of the throne room of his palace in Mycenae
and now look at the inside of his tent in the greek camp
It looks literally the same, he made it be copied in every detail ... Even the fucking throne.
His throne is right there, i can't get over that. It is unclear if the motherfucker has a replica or may have ordered the original be carried away to Troy with him
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i feel like emily wilson's translations are overhyped & overrated. although she does a better job than madeline miller, i think her translation is more of a personal interpretation and her opinions on homers' work & it's kind of like she's trying to fit the epic into her own personal box. the hype is mostly about how she's erased misogynistic language from her translation & while i agree that previous translators may very well have been biased and used misogynistic vocabulary when there was no need for one, it must be kept in mind that when the people of the times when epics were sung (performed?) were also misogynistic. when i read her translation of the odyssey, i felt like her translation of the iliad & odyssey are ideal for middle school readers. in her attempt to "dumb it down" for the general public, she has made quite a few omissions & not explored the dimensions of homeric characters in order to assign them 2D and simplistic roles, suiting their personalities to her personal opinions & interpretation. overall, this is my (strong) opinion on her translation and the trend of dumbing down classical literature for gen z readers she has adhered to.
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Cassandra calls her mother Hecuba and casually mentions her curse put upon her by the god Apollo, while Clytemnestra was out working since she got a job in the criminal career since it was her LTW
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Hi! Welcome to my Holding Achilles blog.
On this post you will find all the tags I use for organisation. Simply click to find what you're looking for.
More will be added as I use them :)) (I reached the 30 tag limit. See my reblogs of this for more of my tags)
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there is only one king i plan to pledge my allegiance to next saturday
fuck the monarchy, fuck weirdo bootlicking, all hail the tbc double-show day ✌🏻😘
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One of the reasons l love Athamas so much is that we don't know much about his personality which sucks but is also great because l can make my head canons about him. He's my favorite king because he marries 3 goddesses, and has like 6 children, all his wives hated the children he had from the previous marriage, so like 3 of his children die, then he kills another one because Hera drives him mad cause he's like Dionysus' babysitter, then he stops being a king all of a sudden and lives in the forest then she returns to one of his previous wives, he's great. I will write fanfics about him after l read every story with the sources that has him in it
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first Greek book report of the year is done...
I can now say that I read the Bατραχομυομαχία, a not-quite-fable that I didn't know exist. Prof also didn't provide us any guidance on what he wanted in the book report or what the format of the book report should be so he got a 1.5 page essay of my comparing the King of the Frogs to Agamemnon and the mouse that dies to Achilles...
ANYWAYS i'm def in the right mind and should be trusted to work on school work rn...
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Mhhh agamemnon sacrificing iphigenia gwyn sending filianore off in the ringed city parallels i am actually going insane
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it's interesting to me that people overwhelmingly seem to see agamemnon as worse than victor frankenstein. i mean, both are awful, but i guess it comes down to whether you see the betrayal by a parental figure as worse than complete and utter abandonment by a parental figure.
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I'm not trying to stir drama by brining this person up. There is a person in the community who thinks Hellene is an acceptable religious identity, thats how I found their blog. Their worship is of Roman emperors. How do Emperors and Divine Kings play a role in hero worship? By this I mean Emperors and Divine Kings who aren't solely in myths, we know they were real and are historically attested.
I saw that persons reply and promptly blocked them coz I don’t need that on my dash lol
Unfortunately I don’t know anything at all about how the Romans worshipped emperors and such. I might tag @asklepiean if they have anything to say about this?
Worship of divine kings was usually extremely localised and rarely Panhellenic. It’s probably best to look at the likes of Agamemnon and Theseus for a broad (and well-established in research) example. This is where terms such as “tomb cult” come into play as there was significant emphasis on who held the bones of these deceased kings (where they were laid to rest). Greeks would fight over ownership of the bones and would endeavour wherever possible to return them to the “rightful” home - of course this was relative, and in the case of Agamemnon created two main centres of worship. Theseus’ worship tied largely to the identity of Athens and so he would have received offerings at many civil festivals as well as the likes of the Panathenaia which he founded. He was important enough to the Athenians to receive a monthly libation, the only divine-born mortal to do so besides Herakles.
Now … it is my understanding that their worship would otherwise be no different to a (mortal or otherwise) hero’s. Same methods, similar offerings, and completely dependant on their divine heritage and/or larger-than-life deeds to hold real significance. Keep in mind my knowledge is usually focussed on pre-hellenistic eras.
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i watched the pilot of brba the other night and it occured to me then that there is a specific kind of guy that i become obsessed with turning over and over in my head like observing a coin shine in the sunlight:
a tragic adult male figure that ends up hurting those closest to him (and/or) everyone around him, because of his own crumbling to society's expectations and pressures of him as a man, leader, patriarch, or simply as a person, and a slow succumbing to self-loathing, insanity, addiction, curse, evil, or just long-suffering... and the tragic consequences of his instability and harmful behaviors affect his family first, perhaps the ones he loves most, or the only ones which love him, before it finally gets around back to him and he begins to suffer tenfold. sometimes they are dads (biological, or adoptive), or they are something like an unofficial guardian to a child, or they *would* have had a child had it not been for their behavior. sometimes there's a redemption arc or redeemable qualities, and sometimes there's just a slow demise.
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so when I randomized sexualities, Cassandra and Clytemnestra both rolled bisexual and they are two bolters :0
So I guess Cassandra is having second thoughts on wanting to go back home to her mother Hecuba
Clytemnestra still has left over fury with Cassandra so who is to say she doesn't snap and suddenly fight her
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