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liyazaki · 2 years
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you think it's poison?
kinnporsche | episode 11
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ichigokeks · 2 years
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Kinn and Porsche: fun dates, cute quality time, being soft on main, coming out and being accepted and celebrated by everyone
literally everyone else: breaking up, torture, childhood trauma, crying, almost dying
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did he lick??? did he kiss??? did he sniff??? WHAT DID HE DO AND MADE PETE'S FACE CHANGE FROM BOTHERED TO AROUSED???? I WANNA KNOW!
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hael987 · 2 years
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Outed
What happened to Porsche in Ep 11 is basically a forced self-outing. He was forced to disclose and/or confirm things publicly (about himself and his relationship) that he doesn’t seem ready to disclose.
[Now please note that at no point am I blaming Kinn for anything. All he said was that he loved Porsche, how everything else played out from there is all on Korn and how he set the scenario up.]
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Porsche is forced to reveal these deeply personal things in front of the father of the man he loves, said father’s right-hand man (with a gun?!), the brother of the man he loves (a known emotional wildcard), and a corridor full of bodyguards (current colleagues and some friends). And none of this is on his own terms. How scary that must be. The intrusion and violation and vulnerability he must be feeling. Zero control.
There are many ways to interpret his hesitance to answer but I’ve decided upon reluctance rooted in fear. It's his first relationship. It's the first person he's ever (romantically) loved. It's also (appears to be) his first sexual and romantic entanglement with a man. It's threefold. He does not want to expose these special feelings, these important firsts, to others. To give them up, put them out there and have others pass judgement. The set-up does not imply safety at all, these precious things could be taken away from him, and he could even be met with violence (there's a gun right there). All these answers are being drawn out of him reluctantly.
I've been publicly outed before and received a positive reaction too so I know it's bittersweet. Yes, there's relief (that the reaction was good and you were accepted) but there's also that feeling of exposure and vulnerability with everything ripped from your control. It wasn't on your terms.
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We see this exactly in Porsche's reaction. His reaction is not one of immediate relief and I’m not surprised. You can see he’s unsure of what to feel, of what just happened and why it happened, how he's supposed to react. He was not ready or prepared for it to be revealed in such a manner. There's a tiny smile at the end, the acknowledgement that yes indeed they were accepted but it's definitely not pure relief or jubilation. He's happy at the acceptance but he’s also probably feeling that exposure and vulnerability despite gaining consent from Korn and support from Khun and the other bodyguards.
This is why I find what Kinn does afterwards so perfect and beautiful.
Kinn sees and hears Porsche’s vulnerability; P: "I'm so not used to this room [...] when I don't have to hide it from anyone". So Kinn, in turn, exposes an emotional vulnerability of his own by revealing parts of his childhood; K: "When I was little, my mom used to blow dry my hair like this". He recognises Porsche is feeling exposed (after being outed) and so he exposes parts of himself too, he gives Porsche a part of his past. A sharing of vulnerabilities and reassurance.
After that public outing their relationship is no longer the special, safe place it once was as the world with just the two of them - 'outsiders' are involved now. And then it happens again:
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A seemingly safe space for them to exist just the two of them (in bed) has been invaded and their relationship is exposed to yet more 'outsiders' (Time and Tay). He's clearly uncomfortable and tries to leave. However, he only verbally (and then again physically) tries to leave after they start discussing personal details of his relationship.
Kinn acknowledges Porsche's feelings of exposure and vulnerability (in the manner of "shyness", I guess) and reassures him.
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Just like in Ep 8 when Porsche feels exposed/vulnerable and tries to withdraw, Kinn pulls him back. He lets Porsche know he's present and together in this with him; that Porsche doesn’t have to deal with this alone. Encourages him that it's alright and normal and good for them to exist together visibly and publicly now. But he doesn't just stop there, he goes so much further.
When they go to celebrate, Kinn takes them to Hum Bar (Yok’s bar). I think this is a very specific, intentional choice on Kinn's part. He brings Porsche back to his own home ground — somewhere he feels secure and familiar with, somewhere he can regain confidence and comfort while navigating this new relationship exposure.
Kinn has been to Hum Bar before and knows there is a chance Porsche's friends (Jom, Tem, and his old bartending buddies) might be there, and Yok is definitely going to be there. So with this choice of venue, he delivers Porsche to his support network (in this case Yok), so he can surround himself with support.
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We can see Porsche is reassured around Yok, reaching out with his typical physical affection.
Finally, Kinn proudly and loudly states his love looking directly at Porsche despite being shy himself. The ultimate reassurance.
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Porsche might not have been ready to be outed and might still be feeling vulnerable about it but Kinn is sure as hell not going to let him feel bad about this situation. He’s going to turn this into a positive for Porsche. To remind him that even if the manner of being outed might have been bad, being out and visible isn't bad.
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S01E05 // S01E11 // S01E12
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thatgirl4815 · 2 years
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The Pete Effect
~ A Deep Dive into Vegas’s Mind ~
When it comes to Vegas and Pete in Ep11, I think they contained a pretty massive story arc within the 50 minutes. And while I do think this story could’ve been spread out over the course of a few episodes, I do think they managed to offer a view of Vegas that humanizes him but does not necessarily erase or lessen the severity of his crimes. If anything, it puts the cycle of generational violence/trauma in perspective. If the purpose of this episode is to show why Vegas desires hurting people and where this destructiveness comes from, then I think they’ve accomplished that.
**For my take on Pete’s psychological state, see this post: The Vegas Effect
Recycled History
We don’t need to see Vegas’s history of abuse play out onscreen to get the full context of what he’s going through. From a storytelling perspective, it’s pretty standard: abusive father projects own self-hatred onto child. It’s a never-ending cycle of needing dominance to fill the void of never being good enough. We don’t know much about Korn and Kan’s father, but what little we do know indicates that Kan’s relationship with his father is similar to Vegas’s relationship with Kan. At the same time, this line from Korn in Ep10 is interesting:
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We haven’t seen Kan directly “taking advantage” of anyone, mostly due to a lack of screen time, but the act of abusing Vegas is ironically upholding this very notion. This line is also notable in that it seems to apply to Vegas in particular, and Kan is reinforcing it by constantly reminding Vegas that he will never be good enough. Korn, master manipulator, likely knows that due to their rivalry, Kan suffers from the same self-hatred that Vegas suffers from. He exploits that with this line, and I have no doubt that Kan was reminded of this very conversation when confronting Vegas.
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In this shot, Vegas is experiencing a build up of all these negative emotions: bitter resentment for his father, hate for himself, shame, guilt, rage. Kan tells him he’s failed not only as the heir of the minor family, but as a son—that’s the key point. It’s never about the business, it’s about Vegas as a person. Kan will always find flaws in Vegas because that’s easier than facing his own.
Vegas’s Psyche
What does Vegas do? He takes the gun from Kan, he points it at Pete as if to kill him, but he doesn’t follow through. Why is that? Because, as will become even more appparent later, Pete is a form of rebellion for Vegas. Keeping him—tormenting him—defies his father’s orders, but it also offers Vegas an opportunity to assuage his own feelings of inferiority. Pete is a prisoner, so Vegas’s dominance over him is a certainty. Vegas craves the chance to rip Pete apart piece by piece the same way his father has always ripped him apart (not to mention it also comes with minimal risk).
There’s an element of loneliness to this too. As the VegasPete bandaging scene proves, Vegas has spent his whole life feeling alone in his suffering. But while Pete reveals a similar experience in his own childhood, his imprisonment is also an opportunity for Vegas to impart his emotional pain onto someone physically. Vegas gains a certain satisfaction from witnessing someone else’s pain precisely because it is not his own. It’s a reminder that his father isn’t the only one who can inflict pain. That’s, in part, why I believe Vegas is so satisfied when calling Pete’s grandmother—Kan abuses Vegas both physically and emotionally, so why wouldn’t Vegas want to do the same thing to others?
So…
What stanches Vegas’s desire to inflict pain?
Even before their bandage talk, Pete is making waves for Vegas. We knew from the moment he laughed in Vegas’s face in Ep10 that he wouldn’t be one of Vegas’s regular victims; he presents a challenge, something Vegas can focus on. He’s a distraction as well as an outlet. Because, from a much broader perspective, Vegas’s position is terrible. His plans failed, the major family wants him dead, and he’s locked in a safe house with only Pete and a hedgehog for company.
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One of the common critiques of this episode has been that Vegas’s feelings for Pete developed too quickly. I think this moment is where these critiques stem from. But, while there seems to be genuine fear in Vegas’s eyes at the prospect of losing Pete, I think there are two big reasons why:
1) With Pete dead, Vegas loses his outlet. He loses his distraction. And, perhaps most importantly, he loses his rebellion against his father. So long as Pete is alive, Vegas has a place to direct all that internal pain that his father keeps heightening.
2) Vegas doesn’t acknowledge it outright, but I think he knows Pete is a good person. Yes he’s in the mafia. Yes he’s committed crimes for his boss. But at his core, Pete is loyal. He’s self-sacrificing. He’s sincere. He’s as good as someone in this life can be. “No legacy is so rich as honesty.” I’ve seen others point it out, but I want to reiterate it here: Pete is already showing Vegas what it means to be honest about what drives him. That’s what their whole bandaging conversation comes to. It’s a truth that Vegas must face if he ever wants to escape the hole of self-hatred that his father has shoved him into.
As I’ve said, I do think that this storyline could’ve been stretched into two episodes just to really sit in that moment of realization and fear that Vegas has over Pete. But while it did come on somewhat suddenly, I think it makes sense if you consider Vegas’s attachment to Pete in context. I don’t think Vegas fully understands his attachment to Pete much in the same way we aren’t meant to fully understand it. 
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This kiss. Another manipulation? Another part of the game to lure Pete in? I can see it. I think Pete can too. Pete is smart enough not to trust Vegas, no matter how gentle Vegas might be. But we, as an audience, are fortunate because we see Vegas in moments no one else can. We have reason to believe it’s genuine, because Vegas is gentle at times when he really has no reason to be. He freaks out over the prospect of Pete’s death, he bandages him oh so tenderly because he wants to. He needs to.
Does he need to kiss Pete to give him the pill? Absolutely not. And Pete could resist that kiss—and the pill—quite easily. Vegas knows what he's doing. Pete accepts the pill because the tenderness of the kiss catches him off guard. The way I see it, Vegas goes for the kiss as a way of addressing his newfound attachment to Pete. I’d relate it to KP’s first kiss at the end of Ep3, as Kinn/Vegas and Porsche/Pete are, remarkably, in similar situations. (The amount of parallels between VegasPete and KinnPorsche is honestly insane, and those could honestly be a post on their own.)
As I mentioned above, Pete tells Vegas that he isn’t alone. And it’s the thing Vegas needs to hear most from someone. The thing is, I don’t think he even knew he needed it. But it takes a weight off his shoulders, as we see when he says, “It still hurts. But not as bad as before.” 
I want to note that I don’t think Vegas’s sadistic tendencies have miraculously disappeared by the end of Ep11. Pete is a lot of things, but he’s not a miracle worker. I think Vegas has become enlightened, but one therapeutic conversation isn’t going to set him on a path of goodness. Trapped in this little bubble, it’s easy to lose sight of just how cruel and sadistic Vegas really is. It’s almost peculiar how easily I found myself not only sympathizing with Vegas, but blissfully ignoring all the bad things he has done. I mean, he was literally bandaging the wounds that he inflicted on Pete this episode, yet I somehow managed to overlook all of it and see only a confused, miserable mess of a man. And yeah, I felt bad for him. I’ll credit that all to Bible’s acting. He added such a level of humanity to Vegas at the end of this episode. I mean look at this—
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...compared to this—
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The genuine sweetness in that last smile? The end of this episode is the first time we’re seeing him without the mask. 
In conclusion...
Pete has unlocked a part of Vegas that’s been buried by years of abuse. At least in my opinion, he’s set Vegas on a path towards healing and a release of all the anger welling up inside. 
I don’t think this means that Vegas will lose the mafia-persona. They are all still in the mafia, after all. Conceptions of good and evil are much less defined in this landscape. But, I don’t think Vegas will need to use torture as an outlet for the pain his father causes him. I imagine he’ll still have an interesting relationship with pain—what with the apparent BDSM content we’ll be getting—but it won’t be used in the same context as before. Meaning that it will be something both Vegas and Pete enjoy.
That’s all for now. As always, more KP meta can be found ➡️ here, and my thoughts on the use of color in Ep11 ➡️ here!
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catarsisdecoraje · 2 years
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I’m absolutely dead at Porsche finding the oldest and ugliest bodyguards to make sure Kinn doesn’t go flirting with his next one. He really said I’m the last bodyguard you’re falling in love with, bitch
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Hands and Kisses and Smiles and Happiness
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findinghomesomehow · 2 years
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Kim never loved Chay :
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Kim never loved Chay it's just that he gets a guitar that would suit the other person for just anyone
Kim never loved Chay but he goes around calling his brother, whom he never meets, everytime that any of the bodyguard's family is kidnapped
Kim definitely did not ever love Chay, he'd just go shooting at his COUSIN for anyone
Kim never even liked Chay, he just kisses people on the cheek.
Kim never loved Chay, he just looks at all his juniors like they hung the sun, moon and the stars for him.
Kim never loved Chay, he tells whoever he wants to write a love song about their crush and that he'll be "looking forward to hearing it"
Kim never loved Chay, he just turns into his Mafia mode (a side he doesn't prefer) for anyone
Kim never loved Chay, he goes to the club to rescue his juniors from getting drugged all the fucking time.
So like I don't even know what makes you people think Kim ever loved Chay
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ahdriking · 2 years
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Kinn is literally the most possessive son of a bitch
But LISTEN it's not just the "you're life is mine/return yourself to me" dramatic bullshit NO (tho that is also Very gay and Valid of you, sir) it's the fucking AFFECTION. He's all over Porsche every. fucking. opportunity. he. (and his hair. And his dick.) gets. Just... their HANDS. That little possessive thumb rub he always does. The way he just pulls porsche against him or drapes himself over porsche in some way, like he's constantly publicly claiming him. The least subtle homosexual you've ever seen in your life, ladies and gents. He just has his man and fuck everything else and honestly
Kinn just has the most soft fucking possessive top energy get you a man who can do both
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Excuse me while I go yeet myself off a bridge because of this. I am highly convinced Vegas licked Pete, that's the only logical reason to why Pete would have done THAT FACE
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liyazaki · 2 years
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mama yok supremacy 👑
kinnporsche | episode 11
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ichigokeks · 2 years
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Be On Cloud with all the couples in Kinnporsche Episode 11
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details.
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atlasshrugd · 2 years
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“if you hate me, you’ll have energy to kill me later” is such a romantic line actually argue with the wall
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thatgirl4815 · 2 years
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Colors in Ep11 🌈
(+ VP’s Phases of Intensity)
Back with what’s shaping up to be my weekly post about the lovely colors in KinnPorsche, and there is A LOT to work with in this episode. Many amazing posts have already hit the main points, but I’ll try to offer up some of what I noticed in the way of prominent colors, notable shots, and repetitive schemes. This episode also gives a major hint for how these colors could progress in the future.
From a cinematic/aesthetic perspective, I will just note right off the bat that this episode is near the top of my list. It’s truly amazing how carefully they have crafted the evolution of VegasPete’s color scheme(s) and the severity of these colors. It coincides with the progression of their relationship in a way that is apparent but still subtle. It’s hard to define generally without getting into specifics, so here we go...
Red & Green
For the purposes of this post, I will go ahead and make some color groupings. Red and green stand out because they both represent themes of ⚠️ danger ⚠️ --in this case, the type of danger that Vegas elicits. Red is attributed to Vegas a bit more than green, but they’re both clearly tethered to him. The first few VP scenes serve as a continuation of the torture scene in Ep10, as the setting and colors indicate: 
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The color red is not only present, it’s brutally apparent. As I mentioned in my post about color/cinematography in Ep10, the environment itself is well-adapted to color. It’s dark, it’s dank, it’s gloomy. It’s enclosed with minimal exits. The oppressiveness makes the colors stand out all the more, because without them, what do we have visually? I believe they chose this space because of it’s simplicity. Our attention is drawn to these colors because they are such vital mood setters. 
(It could be easy to mix up pink and red here, but while I do see pink shining through the back of this scene, I do think red is the notable color because pink is really just an alternate shade of red. More on pink later.)
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While red (and lighter shades) dominates this torture scene, green often shines in the back to offer an additional bit of foreshadowing. I still find it interesting that green has been tied to themes of danger, as it’s primary positive connotations include growth and rebirth. That would seem to be the opposite of what we get in this scene, but I do think green’s positive correlations could carry some weight further into the episode. For now, green represents danger but also possessiveness. Vegas wants to hold onto Pete for as long as he can, because he’s someone he can call his—someone he can control when his father is so intent on ripping away his sense of agency.
But moving on to later scenes...
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The three main colors here are red, green, and gold/yellow (separate colors, but they’re blended quite a bit in this shot). I’ve dissected all three already, so I won’t go into much detail, but I do think the change in scenery is most notable because it does not permit such a vibrant display. In the first torture scenes, we cannot escape the color, but here it is a bit easier to overlook. There’s also a certain domesticity to this scene that makes everything less brutal. Pete is still in danger, he’s still a victim, but it no longer feels so intimately oppressive. In keeping with this notion, we have our danger colors shining in the back rather dimly, and their color is mostly contained to the wall behind Pete. The only times the colors really caught my attention on Vegas are (understandably) during the torture scene at the safehouse, where Vegas lashes Pete with his belt, and the scene where Vegas frantically shouts Pete’s name. But in general, while we do see more substantial flares of color in shots like this--
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--it’s still nowhere near as prominent as in the first torture scenes. I’ve also noticed how the colors are almost always more noticeable on Pete, likely to show how he is the subject of the danger. But, and this seems to be the most important part, as the intensity of the colors goes down, so does the toxic intensity of VP’s relationship. This is leaning *somewhat* into prediction territory, but I’m fairly certain we will see three phases of intensity...
Phases of Intensity
1) Torture Intensity - I think we’re already passed this, for the most part. Torture intensity refers to the tension of their relationship when they are at their most estranged: the oppressor and the oppressed. This dynamic pervades the episode up until VP’s final few scenes. Red and green are the main characters in this phase.
2) Minimal Intensity - "Minimal” might not be the best word, but I think this phase is what we see at the end of Ep11. VP have reached a level of vulnerability after Vegas heals Pete’s wounds and Pete admits to a similar experience with his own father. Vegas’s tender kiss is also one of Pete’s first real indicators that the intensity is lessening. The oppressor/oppressed dynamic is not gone, but it’s lessened significantly--putting VP closer to equal than we’ve ever seen them. Gold and yellow are the main characters in this phase.
3) Romantic/Sexual Intensity - I think it’s necessary to pair the words “romantic” and “sexual” together, because I would say we’ve already seen a little bit of sexual intensity in the “Torture Intensity” phase of VP’s plot line but not romantic intensity. The instigation of any kind of sexual action has been all one-sided from Vegas, but while I think Vegas will be the one to instigate more next episode, Pete will likely return the intensity. This is what will turn their sexual intensity into romantic intensity. Pink and purple are the main characters in this phase. I also think we could see a return of hot pink to lean into VP’s more mutual erotic energy when the time comes.
I suppose you could also refer to these “phases” as VP growing closer emotionally, which then allows for a different kind of intensity in their relationship. A mutual intensity, you could say. I’ve talked about positive and negative tension before in regards to KP’s relationship, but this is a similar idea. The colors are almost always a direct reflection of the state of the characters’ relationships. 
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When Vegas is healing Pete’s wounds, the red is almost entirely gone, and the green shines minimally; only faint traces of it can be seen on the chain by Pete’s head and on the sheets surrounding them. The prominent color from here on out comes from the gold/yellow light shining above them...
Gold & Yellow
I’ve said before that gold has been associated with the mafia as a whole. This would imply that it’s connotations are negative, but like Kinn and Porsche, I think it becomes something positive this episode. Gold has a metallic shine on it, but this is much more orange/yellow in comparison. Negatively, gold often represents greed. Positively, it represents prosperity. Both of these representations are materialistic in nature. Yellow, however, is typically associated with freshness, positivity, clarity, optimism, and enlightenment. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that an enlightening color shines so prominently during a scene of enlightenment for Vegas. 
I also want to point out how closely the coloring in the final VP scenes of Ep11 relates to the coloring in this KP scene: 
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The color here appears more gold than yellow, but the point still stands that in both cases, gold shifts from something negative to more positive. The addition of yellow in the VP scenes only contributes to this positivity. 
Pink & Purple 💗💜
As mentioned above, hot pink is pretty apparent in these early torture scenes. I think it’s meant to muddle our perceptions a bit, because as others have pointed out, without context, some shots make it a bit difficult to assess the toxic nature of Vegas and Pete’s relationship. These next ones certainly do NOT, however:
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(This isn’t the point of this post, but I can’t help but commend Build’s acting during this phone call because it completely ripped my heart out. The effort to keep his voice light and jovial while he’s in such a vulnerable state...💔)
Someone on Twitter referred to pink and purple as VegasPete’s “new colors,” and I think they do represent a softening in the relationship. In this post about the color pink, I mention how pink not only has sweeter, positive connotations, but it is also a subdued version of red. It’s like Pete’s presence in Vegas’s life mutes that bloody crimson into something more breathable—something tender and inviting rather than domineering and oppressive.
If pink is so positive, why then is it such an integral part of the first torture scene? Well, as I said, it is hot pink, not to be confused with a lighter shade of pink, what I’ll call blush pink until I can find a better match. It’s the shade we have seen behind Porsche at times to represent his tender feelings of love, and--most notably--behind both Vegas and Pete in the preview for Ep12:
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We can compare their physical actions to the shades as well. In the torture scene, Vegas has no reservations pushing Pete around. Any tenderness he shows is part of the game, designed to make Pete uncomfortable--to reassert who is in the seat of power. But in the preview, his delicacy is emotional. There’s a change in Vegas’s softness because he himself is showing vulnerability. It’s driven by pure feeling rather than dominance and control...and if it’s not--if Vegas really is just playing with Pete’s emotions, I really will call Vegas a master unhinged-manipulator. Because to me, this is about as real as it gets. 
Am I saying it’s real because I want it to be real? Probably. But contrast how Vegas acts with Pete here to how he acts with Tawan in the flashback. It’s hard to pinpoint what, exactly, is different, but no matter how tender Vegas is with Tawan, his movements seem calculated. I reckon there will be more evidence to work with in Ep12, but for now, I’m just going to go with the overall vibes I get from VegasPete as opposed to VegasTawan or VegasPorsche.
The preview shows two primary colors: pink and purple. But there’s a blend between them with hints of blue behind Pete. Coincidence? Blue is Pete’s color, so I don’t think so. But the main attraction here for me is the purplish blend in the middle, because it represents a combination of Vegas’s red and Pete’s blue. I don’t think I need to get into the poeticism of merging each character’s symbolic colors, so I’ll just leave it at that. 
There is something to be said about the placement of these colors. The purple is closest to Pete while the pink is closest to Vegas. I already mentioned how pink is just a lighter shade of red, so in a way, both Vegas and Pete are standing in the light of their respective colors. The purple spot between them is between them to represent the point of intersection, where Vegas and Pete can become VegasPete if and only if they both lean into it. 
I mentioned the Phases of Intensity already, but I want to conclude by comparing that more specifically to phases of color. 
Phases of Color 🎨
Red/Green ⏩  Gold/Yellow  ⏩  Pink/Purple
This doesn’t mean that red/green won’t show up in the future, but I do think that these phases represent which main colors we will see. Unsurprisingly, we are entering the pink/purple phase now, so we’ll see how their interactions coincide with that. 
Alright, that’s all on color for now. Let me know your thoughts! :)
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