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#klaus x dave theory
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hello everyone!! i'm the person who ran the TUA color polls for each of the seven siblings over the last few weeks. sorry it took so long but i'm here with results! i'm going to have charts first because they are flashy, easy to look at an understand, and also won't make the post too long above the keep reading :DD without further ado, the results of the poll: "Which color do you associate with [Hargreeves]?" !!
[keep in mind that the labels are above the charts, and viktor's may be hard to read because the chart maker i used only had a white background- same if you're on dark mode i apologize]
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analysis and words under here if you're interested lol :D it’s basically me just rambling for WAY TOO LONG about analysis lmao
okay so going into this, my hypothesis was that everyone’s colors were more or less determined by their s2 outfits. the fashion was iconic and stood out a lot, so it was very likely to stick in people’s brains.
my personal choices in order of siblings are: blue, orange, yellow, pink, green, red, and blue again. i chose green for five because of like.. chalkboards? i feel like he gives the green vibes y’a know? for the rest it was mostly determined by outfits and vibes etc.
but i’m sure nobody wants to hear me talk about my own opinions for too long [afterall, i didn’t even vote in the polls to keep them unbiased as possible] so here’s my analysis of YOUR choices
blue green and yellow were all the top choices for luther, which makes sense to me. blue ended up winning. they’re all generally cooler colors. when i think of luther i think of less stand-out colors, something solid and steady. blue is the most popular favorite color. it has a lot of range, just like luther. he wears it a lot throughout the seasons. blue is associated (not to bring color theory onto the color theory website or anything) with a feeling of sadness, and also responsibility. i really see him as a very tragic character tbh, à la s1 characterization.
diego was surprising to me, because even though my prediction of orange was correct there was a large amount of black in play. red was third after that. i don’t see it as that surprising considering his outfit from s1 lmao. let’s be honest they’re all emo anyways. red and orange are both associated with fire. diego probably would do arson if he thought he was doing the right thing. red is very agressive of a color, but orange is seen as a little less in your face. it can represent change too. but all in all, i think that it was chosen most often because of his orange and black polka dot shirt from s2. slay ig
allison was surprising to me at first, because i didn’t expect so much purple. i think that the pink might be because she’s a girl though. the red is what confused me the most. i would love to hear anyone else’s thoughts because i’m honestly not sure. @creepy-not-crawly (❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️) was talking with me about the polls, and said this about allison having yellow win:
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purple is associated with royalty and we all know she’s a queen. ofc, yellow won. we ALL remember that dress from s2. she’s also fairly optimistic for the first two seasons, and s3 largely revolves around her trying to force herself to be happy. yellow is associated with happy, and she was happy when she was with ray and trying to get it back s3. i have a post about the whole tone fuck up from s2/s3 here X so read that if you want!!
alright klaus. green came out (haha get it) in first and i think this one was essentially due to the association of ghosts and supernatural things in general with green. it’s SPOOOOOKY you know? it’s represents change and growth. the guy is trying. also the military is associated with green uniforms (at least in the US), so it can be easily linked back to the vietnam war incident from s1 and his connection to dave.
five had the most votes and it ended up with the closest results to one color taking half the pie. blue won, and red and black followed. i think for the red, it might be because of the metaphorical and literal blood on his hands. as far as i can tell, his powers- some of the most distinctly colored in the show- were a major factor: (credit to @dead-peppermint and @the-time-travelers-admirer in that order)
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and his iconic uniform is mentioned as well. (thank god the old man got a change of clothes in s3, manifesting for s4) blue represents responsibility and we all know he has so much on his shoulders (insert joke about how hunched over he was s3 because aiden gallagher has been aging over these past 5 crazy years but he’s supposed to be playing a 13 y o boy). blue is also associated with calm- the man needs some calm in his life, à la that one part of s3. and last of all, sadness. i think most of us remember “HE’S LOVED THEM FOR LONGER THAN THEY’VE BEEN ALIVE” (link post cus i can’t find it) and he spent so long mourning his family, and is probably still mourning them.
og ben is probably the most underrated character imo, so i was excited for this one. i predicted red because of that one scene (UGHHH SO TRAGIC) when he was a kid and covered in blood like “can i go home now” (🥺). my dear mutual @/deadpeppermint from before left these thoughts:
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blue and purple tied for first, with red and black in second. honestly the leather jacket? hoodie? thing? and generally emo vibe really lent itself to that lmao. i think purple and blue are also really good colors for him, because he is a king and also responsible as heck (or at least, he tries in comparison). i’m still crying over how he left in s2 ISTG BRING HIM BACKKKK (srsly tho line i want to make a post about his absence affected s3 ughfhfhfhfhfhh) but that brings us back to blue meaning sadness, and oh my lord does this boy represent grief!!! he’s soooooo <3
and finally omg we are at viktor! this graph is fucking hilarious to look at because it just looks empty. the white violin had an association with color, and you could NEVER GUESS which one (sarcasm). i actually forgot about this next was blue, and i think it’s cute that blue was on top three, even top two for 5 6 7. and the. @/deadpeppermint once again with thoughts:
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SO TRUE!!
sorry for all of the errors i'm losing my mind.
anyways if anyone (unlikely lmao) has actually read this, or even scrolled down- hi! also goddamn! i hope someone enjoys this post because i have literally postponed so many projects for this weird little side thing. MMMMM DATA. i would make some kind of conclusion, but i'm damn tired and i think that my whole hypothesis kind of worked out! TYSM TO EVERYONE WHO VOTED!! and the people who left thing in the tags or talked to me about it? A MILLION LOVE FOREVER
i plan on doing more analysis in the future, but this is kind of dipping my toe in with a more fandom centered analysis. also! shameless self promotion! this whole thing started because i made a little animatic? thing? and started wondering about the colors because i ended up assigning them. CHECK IT OUT HERE X SUBSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON MR BEAST TIKTOK FORTNITE. anyway. i literally have two other things that have been done for a while which i'll be posting in due time. if anyone is wondering why i haven't been posting art (idk, maybe?) it's because i was holding off on this crazy monster of a post! i'm really excited to make animatics because the music bro it's got me ITS GOT ME THIS DAMN SHOW. i am a self taught beginner artist tho, so i mean be ready for that. (that makes me sound so pretentious STOPP) anyways here! 🎩👑👒🧢 swaggy hats and a 🦉🦋🐞🐠🪿🦜🐁🦔 lil guy to go with it! 🥰🫵 see ya besties ily. i am so ill.
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This is a theory of mine, BUT imagine if Klaus finds Dave in the second season, and since he knows that Dave likes him he will go after him. After some time they get together and when the time comes that Klaus has to leave the 60's he tells Dave everything, and tells him that in 1969 in Vietnam he will appear out of nowhere and that he will not remember him, but that at the end they will be together, and that was the reason why Dave since the start was so interested in him, bc he already knew him and he was already in love with Klaus.
(I'm going to cry now)
Pd: sorry if my english isn't perfect
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Five has to set the timeline right while he’s working with the Commission, right? That’s his job. As we saw when he chose to kill the butcher, he usually kills supposedly “inconsequential” people rather than figureheads. Ergo he may kill many people we would never even consider being worthy of assassination. Ergo, we can never guess who he’s killed. He also doesn’t know about Klaus’ adventures in Vietnam. Ergo, there’s a possibility that Five killed Dave.
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If the day that Dave enlisted was the same day that Kennedy died and Klaus wanted to stop Dave from enlisting why instead of following Dave around trying to stop him didn't he tried to stop Kennedy's death with Diego.
I mean, wouldn't that stop Dave from enlisting? Becouse I don't think it's just a coincidence that he enlisted the same day that Kennedy died I think that when he saw his president get killed in front of everyone with no one being able to do anything he decided to enlist to fight against that so stoping Kennedy from dying would have stopped Dave from dying. Right?
I mean is it just me or this makes complete sense.
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The post where I try to fix Klaus’ arc in TUA season 2
(((I guess I just am an umbrella academy blogger now)))
OKAY, so we all can agree that Klaus’s arc in season 2 (mostly with dave) was....not great. the intentions i think were good, but misguided. It started pretty good, the acting was great, but it didn’t have the lasting power. Here’s 10 things the writers should have done differently, or should do in the future (as told by me, a nobody). Yes most of this is a long Klaus x Dave shitpost 
1. Learn Basic Math:   Idk why this is so hard to fucking grasp, but Dave’s baby-faced teenager age doesn’t make any fucking sense. according to the wiki, he was born in 1939, so in 1963 he is 24 years old. the actor who played young Dave is currently 20, so was probably 19 when they filmed. 
Why? why. *instert why vine*
like yeah he’s younger, but he doesn’t need to look like a infant. The baby-est gay that ever did baby gay. it puts a weird dynamic into the whole season with Klaus. and it’s not like there isn’t someone else who can play dave....
2. Hire Cody Ray Thompson again:  ....like, I’m baffled. they’ve baffled me. This guy had one(1) job, fall in love with Klaus, and he did it with so much charm and chemistry that the whole fanbase is still quaking. he had like 2 lines. like less 3 total minutes of screen time. And we all fell in love with him cause he did so good. ((he’s also a klave stan check out his twitter))
Whyyyy couldn’t they just get him in for season? “hE’d LoOk ToO OlD” well the other kid looked too damn young. do his hair different, have him lose some bulk in the arms and shoulders, get him a k-pop skin care routine, I don’t care.
Imagine if he got to have multiple scenes with Robert Sheehan, when they had so much chemistry in just a short montage in season 1.
3. Knock it off with the homophobia: i’m not gonna talk about when Dave punches klaus it’s literally the worst part of the season. it’s not what i came here for. I want a refund. (see point 7 for notes)
4. Actually make the cult a useful part of the season: like we have hundreds of adoring klaus fans ready to do anything he tells them… could that have served a plot purpose at any point? Could that have been useful in a conflict, or some character development? No?
5. Establish the Ben possessions much earlier: probably one of the most interesting plot points from season 2 is that ben had more agency. And then 5 minutes later he didn’t. I know we have 7 main characters but did we need this many scenes with the Handler while Ben got diddly fuck until the last 2 episodes? 
6: Why Doesn’t Klaus see ghosts anymore?: like, he sees Ben. but, what about all the other ones? He got sober, does he just ignore them now? ((guys what if he conjured the spirit of JFK)) 
7: (this one’s long) Make Klaus’s arc about internal conflict, not an external conflict between him and Dave:  
Klaus is established in season 1 to be selfish, but in like a fun way. he thinks of self satisfaction before literally anything else. this comes to a head when he comes back from Vietnam and says “He was the only person I’ve ever loved more than myself” 
After this Klaus’ growth is kind of put on the back-burner for the apocalypse stuff. We never really get to see him put someone else first after that. Even when he gets sober to see Dave, it’s to fulfill his own desires. 
By season 2 his world view has shifted, he gets sober, but we need more actions toward change. he gets bored of the cult and ditches them, and he barely does anything for Ben.
(selfish but lovable)
Enter tall hunky texas boy Dave, (((who is an adult man))) who is in the closet from his homophobic family, but it’s not spelled out for us. It could be as subtle as a look, or saying a coded phrase. The audience isn’t interested in the macro-drama of 1960’s homophobia, we are interested in the micro-drama between these two characters.
Anyway, Klaus is excited to see Dave, and they like meet and have a normal conversation, where it is eventually revealed that Dave is already planning on joining the marines soon. Klaus wants to stop him but then he realizes (or Ben tells him) that if Klaus says the wrong thing (like telling Dave not to go to war) it would change the timeline and they would never meet in 1968. And for the next couple EPISODES i want Klaus to have to think about this, like it’s an actual hard decision to make. He’s a creature of habit, his instincts are selfish because he’s always been selfish, but he loves this guy so much. 
Maybe he tries bargaining, like maybe he can subtly tell Dave just enough to keep him alive, but not stop him from going to Vietnam. And Dave is rightfully confused that this person knows a lot about him, but also like… he’s kinda cute. I want weird coffee shop dates and long walks through the texas fields in the setting sun.  
But right at the deadline of “we gotta stop the apocalypse again” Klaus realizes that he can’t let Dave go to Vietnam, even if it means they never meet. Cause he loves dave like way too much to even risk it, even if it means putting his own happiness second. It’s the first truly selfless act of love Klaus does for someone. So he tells him everything, but it sounds fucking bat-shit insane and Klaus has to leave right then and there. Leaving Dave standing there like “Wtf”
Later on after the Kennedy assassination, klaus and all the hargreeves’ are named as suspects, so Dave wonders if he’s just been duped by a cult leader this whole time (but also is kinda sad about it). He enlists in the marines anyway, and this is where we stay on the season one timeline.
But speaking of time-lines…….
8. Use season 3 to retcon timeline issues: like obviously they are going to fuck around with the timeline, because of the fucking bird school and emo ben. So take this opportunity, dear writers, to figure out how Klaus’s (and everyone else’s) lives make any sense, and cut some stuff from the season 1 and season 2 timelines. (and no, Klaus and Dave never falling in love in Vietnam is not a valid choice. It’s a garbage way to make me cry.)
9: Set a whole (or most of an) episode in 1968 Vietnam: maybe this is when they are trying to fix the timeline. Idk it’s just for fanservice. They have a whole 10 episodes and they can’t give just one to klaus? bullshit.
10. (Fan Theory) Reveal that Dave was killed by the commission: the true tragedy of this romance is that if Dave lived Klaus probably wouldn’t have gone back to 2019. They might have actually lived a happy life together. But the timeline needs Klaus in 2019, to be part of and die in the apocalypse, so the commission sends someone (.....maybe not Five) out to kill his boyfriend. 
Anyway it took me so many braincells to write this post and i do not accept criticism for free, so dm for my paypal if you want to tell me this was stupid.
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justanothertuablog · 4 years
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this is just wishful thinking but..
theory that in S3, Dave dies at the exact same time he originally did(so that he’s age appropriate)
He remembered Klaus and wanted to find out if he was telling the truth.
So, he waits until 2019 where Klaus sees his ghost and he tells him about what would’ve been. Dave believes him because he realizes klaus was telling the truth because he’s able to see the dead and time travel.
Dave decides to stay with Klaus and they fall in love all over again. This time he’s a ghost and sure, maybe this isnt his Dave, the man he knew in 1968. But it’s still him and the the two of them are okay again. Klaus has a reason to stay sober again even with Ben gone. Everything is okay. Everyone is happy.
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So idk if this had been done before but I have a Dave theory
So Klaus met Dave in 1967/8 ish right. Dave doesn’t seem very suprised that this crazy guy just literally dropped out of nowhere. Klaus is very confused but Dave not so much. So, what if Dave was expecting him.
What if Klaus meets Dave in 1963. He explains Dave doesn’t know him yet but they will meet in 67/8. Maybe it’s a brief meeting and Dave doesn’t really know what to make of it or maybe they spend time together and Dave believes him and falls for him.
But either way Dave remembers him when he shows up in Vietnam. He was expecting him.
They both find each other in the past, just never in the right order.
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every day is the same. i wake up. i remember the theory that five killed dave. i cry about it. the cycle repeats.
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justacoupleofchaps · 4 years
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What do you guys think the likelihood of Dave being in season 2 TUA actually is? I know he can't exactly be in it to the extent that he becomes a main character(or can he?), but also if he was in it they wouldn't tell us in cast discussions or teasers because it's a spoiler, right? Right?....
I'm genuinely curious what your theories are 🧐🤔
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rossansguil-lol · 4 years
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Fingers crossed for silver fox!dave in season 3.
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8notaweeaboo8 · 5 years
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Okay so everyones talking about five being the one who killed dave, but...
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The handler was there...
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draw the handler plotting something evil? >:)
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"For what it's worth I didn't want to have Dave Katz killed, but it was the only way to get Klaus Hargreeves back to his proper timeline."
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Klaus Hargreeves is a Horsemen of The Apocalypse
@zafaraelgrimskee thank u for asking about my idea, but first:
We are going off TV Klaus here. So don't @ me about the comics.
I have a different theory about Comic Klaus.
                                                                            A lot of people are comparing the Hargreeves Family to the seven deadly sins, which cool. You do but but just...bare with me.
You'd think it'd be Five that would be a horseman; he actually experienced the apocalypse, and references them. But if you think about it: Five doesn’t line up with any of the horsemen (nor do any of the other siblings but I’ll get to that in a second). 
You know who does line up with a certain horsemen? Klaus. 
Just, think for a second: Lets say Klaus can’t die--well permanently die--God still kicked him out of the afterlife for a reason. God said: “You can’t stay here.” + “I need you so I can pick and choose.” 
Which is...pretty weird to say to someone, no matter how much you hate them--and notice how God didn’t say “I need humanity so I pick and choose.” They specifically said you. As in Klaus. 
Could “you” imply all of humanity? Sure. But it still seems strange that’s how they would phrase it to a single person. 
So what Klaus was created to be sort of a Next Generation Horsemen. For a second apocalypse--a second apocalypse that isn’t the one that Five was trying to stop.
Now, what about the other three horsemen if Klaus lines up with Death? They aren’t his siblings, but they are part of the other forty-three children.
I have more to say, but for noe I’ll leave you with the words of The Handler: 
“This isn’t the end of everything. Just the end of...something.”   
tldr: klaus is death, a horsemen of a second apocaplyse  that has yet to happen and that’s why god kicked him out.
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homages · 5 years
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“to keep at hand whatever it was the mountains meant [,and maybe?] that was love and maybe it was longing”
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“We soldiered together in the A Shau Valley in the Mountain of the Crouching Beast.”
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taken from klaus’ bedroom wall
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fandomboiii · 5 years
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Spoilers for The Umbrella Academy S1
Guys, in the end of s1 the family traveled to the past right. Well, as heartbreaking as it is, if they travelled more than 4-5 days in the past, it means that Klaus never gets the suitcase thus never traveling to 1968 thus never meeting and falling in love with Dave. Or to be more accurate, Klaus does these things but Dave never meets Klaus cause it all happens on a different timeline. So Klaus has his heart broken worse than before cause the one that he loves doesn't even know him. Or I'm being too sciency whovian about it and it doesn't matter for some reason. I hope that's the case cause otherwise all of the fandom is gonna die.
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fuckandsucc · 5 years
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tua theory
What if Klaus stayed in the Vietnam war era because he (knew) that no one would notice he was gone. Also fueled by someone (Dave) who actually loves and notices him. Klaus has probably never been in a serious relationship, and then meeting someone who cares for him? Instant winner. Klaus probably would’ve lived out the rest of his life with Dave in that era if Dave hadn’t died.
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