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dropthedemiurge · 3 months

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Love for Love's Sake | Things You Didn't Notice #4 | Fight with Homophobes

Honestly, I wanted to dissect these scenes right away but then we got the rest of the show uploaded and the emotions overshadowed me. But now we're diving into informal Korean speech, swearing and slurs! It's going to be a fun post, let's go :D

Disclaimer: I'll be writing down both English and Korean slurs strictly in educational manner, obviously.

"Fuck. You two are always so fucking close together. (to Myungha) Are you also a faggot (homosekki)? Wow, Kyunghyun's skills are so good." "Why are you so vulgar? What's wrong with being homo?" "You're really crazy. Are you criticizing me?" ... (Myungha kisses Tak Junho) " Ah fu— You damn faggot!" "We both kissed. I'm not the only one who's homo. You're homo too~" "You did it yourself, you faggot!" "Ah, our Junho keeps saying 'homo'. Tss, slurs are forbidden." "Shut up, you faggot." "If you call me homo one more time, I can steal your lips for real. (Junho is silent) Ha, afraid you'll be robbed?"

Honestly, I like the translation in subs this time, I just wanted to give you a more technical version (and to show you the difference, because in Gaga subs the f slur is also used by Myungha but it's not exactly that)

So, as far as I noticed, the slur in Korean is a derivative from the term "homosexual" - thanks to the similar sounding, it became "homosekki" (from sekki - asshole, bastard, bitch etc). This is the word Junho keeps using in almost every sentence. And the socially accepted common term is now "gay" (at least, the cast and couple from Korean reality dating show "His Man 2" refers to themselves as 'gay' and not 'homo').

Myungha uses the original term, just "homo", which also gained a negative connotation but doesn't include a 'sekki' swearword. So he keeps saying "homo" to talk back in the language Junho used, only less derogatory. We'll see later but it's amazing, because both Myungha and Sangwon confidently used this word about themselves (Sangwon even went further and proudly reclaimed the slur itself).

Still, Myungha did threaten gangster Junho not to even call him "homo" or any similar terms. And here's the moment which made me laugh: in the next scene with Sangwon, Junho was angry ranting about Myungha, but he caught himself using the slur "homosekki" and quickly changed to the modern and neutral term "gay". LOL

Which is what Gaga subs failed to show it to us. Again, let's see more technical translation:

"I'll go after Tae Myungha and Ahn Kyunghoon soon, just so you know. Those fa– Those gay bastards must die. That fucker Tae Myungha kissed me in the lips, shit. Isn't it fucked up? It was disgusting." (Sangwon, pouting) "Wow, really? It must've been nice." "Jeez, you asshole. You're not a victim so you dare talking shit." "I'm being serious, though?" (Junho, appalled) "What the hell are you talking about? You're not a faggot." "I am a faggot, though?"

One, why is it so funny that the first reaction Sangwon had, hearing about Myungha kissing someone in a fight, was: awww :( i wish it was me :((( you so lucky :((

Second, it's hilarious how the gangster ends up the ONLY person who ever uses nice and modern term "gay" once in this show because our protagonists both hit him back with the derogatory terms (Sangwon even attached the slur to himself, when he only liked girls before falling in love with Myungha at first sight, what a legend).

Let's wrap it up with slurs and check out another small detail: informal speech in Korean.

(Sangwon to Myungha)"Why would we fight here?" (Yeowoon to Sangwon)"Hey, watch your tone (don't use informal speech)" "Was I talking like that with you?" "Talk curt (informally) only with me." "I'm already being curt (talking informally) with you."

This one is definitely a cultural thing that always gets lost in translation (but "being curt" is a nice way of putting it). There are two general styles of speech in Korean: Formal (존댓말, jondemal) and Informal (반말, banmal). Of course, it's a lot more complicated in the language, but I'll paint briefly the differences that are pointed out in the scene.

I talked in previous posts about properly addressing your senior in korean (usually by title/position). To convey respect to your senior, you also use 요 (yo) at the end of the sentences – and both Sangwon and Yeowoon talk politely to Myungha. UNTIL Sangwon uses the rude version of a question, without polite ending ("Why would we fight here?"), to which Yeowoon protests and tells Sangwon that it's banmal, informal speech, and he should only use it with him.

Because with your friends, same age people (Yeowoon and Sangwon in this case) or people younger than you, it's normal to use their names with different intonations (Think Myungha's "Yeowoon-ah, Yeowoon-ie") and talk informally.

(Yeowoon to Myungha) "I asked who it was." "You're being curt (that's an informal speech)".

Fast forward – Yeowoon loses patience and demands Myungha "I asked who it was", question without polite ending as well. To which Myungha cheekily says "that was an informal speech", reminding Yeowoon of his own remark to Sangwon.

Fast forward again – and now I have to take back my previous statement from another post that Yeowoon never called Myungha by his name because I found the rare case of him doing it xD

"Tae Myungha is so frustrating." "You're speaking informally more often these days."

Again, a youngster! calling his senior! by his own name! Not using the polite ending! The horrors of informal speech. He's not being too rude but he's sulking therefore he's rebelling. Though I can swear, again, Yeowoon hears Myungha's scolding and resorts back to speaking politely, and from now on, he'll keep using 'senior'.

If you survived until the end of this post, congratulations! The second half probably wasn't needed but in case you're learning Korean or you want to know why these seemingly normal phrases are being considered "curt" out of nowhere, I hope you understand it now a little bit better :)

// Previous messages translation + other language moments here //

#love for love's sake comments #watch me writing my own course Learning Korean with Kdramas on tumblr #but that fight dialogue scene was just perfect i couldn't resist #the exchange and usage of different terms was funny and the scene was hilarious on its own #sangwon and myungha are my heroes #love for love's sake #love for love's sake meta #bl meta #korean bl #korean drama #love supremacy zone #dropthemeta #korean language #linguistics #language

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lienwyn · 7 months

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Devour

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Will I ever draw Jong Woo without covering him in blood, you ask?

Stay tuned and find out.

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sunlightnmoonshine · 17 days

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Haein's mother makes me want to choose violence because what is this woman's problem??

Like how are you this inconsiderate of your daughter, how are you constantly trying to be a victim, how are you constantly trying to make everything about you, how are you this jealous of your daughters healthy relationship with her mother in law (I refuse to use former because I'm still not over that they got divorced that fast) when you've done nothing for your daughter, HOW ARE YOU THIS RUDE?!

#queen of tears #kdrama #I knew she was going to be annoying this ep but GOD WAS SHE ANNOYING #she's awful throughout but like the way she responded to haein fainting????#this woman doesn't even deserve to cry when she learns the truth

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heretherebedork · 3 months

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I do love that his entire storyline has been growth after growth of Sangwoon realizing that he's taking things out on people that don't deserve it and hurting the people he cares about in the process. First with the shoes and now with this... I love this for him. He's suffering but he's finally doing his best.

#love for love's sake #korean bl #bl series #bl drama #asianlgbtqdramas #asian lgbtq dramas #korean bl drama #korean bl series #kbl #bl kdrama #the bully learns to stops bullying #favorite storyline

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joanyio · 1 year

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weak hero class 1 rant because it’s 4am and im in my feelings and idk how else to deal with them *cracks knuckles* please don’t expect me to be coherent

it’s because of a twitter thread i made and i just wanted to elaborate more

if you didn’t click the link here’s what i said “this montage gets me every time because you realize sooho’s bright personality hid the fact that he was just as alone as sieun was, always sleeping at school for working part-time a lot, probably the reason why he had no friends, also refers to himself as the hyung with his peers. then the montage sequence ends with sieun being considerate, not turning the lights on like he did before and studying in the dark to not disturb sleeping sooho. the same day sieun wakes him up to have lunch together and they unexpectedly click.. in a way it was a friendship built from understanding how differently they lived but also similarly alone, and having each other made their lives a little brighter and i think that’s beautiful.”

also this hyunwook interview..

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i can’t seem to stop overthinking about the little detail that sooho refers to himself as the hyung (형 - older brother) with his same-aged peers (동갑). in korea, age is a huge deal and it dictates most of their social cues, who to respect and how much respect is given. and i can just imagine how arrogant his peers might find him for referring to himself as the hyung, it’s like he acts all high and mighty amongst them.

am not puting all clips of him doing this but i remember the incident with baseball kids in the first ep he told them to bring the passed out dude to the nurse’s office and said “형이 이름 말하면 뒤진다,” literally means “if you say hyung’s (my) name, you’re dead.” (and they aren’t even his same-aged friends because someone murmured “but we’re older than him..” still, they’re high schoolers all the same) in ep 2 “형이라고 부르고싶냐?” literally means “do you wanna call me hyung now?” (or “do you wanna give me respect now?”) in ep 3 while playing pool he said “형이 하는거 잘 봐라,” literally means “watch carefully how hyung does (i do) it.”

[edit: i remembered another instance. in ep 1, yeongbin’s group bothering sieun again in the classroom. sooho was disturbed from his sleep, “why are guys so chatty these days? 형 잠도 못 자게. 형 자도 돼? 응?” literally goes “hyung (i) can’t even sleep (with u mfs being loud). can hyung (i) sleep? hmm?” official subs: “someone’s trying to sleep here. can i sleep in peace? please?”]

i think he does it because he knows he was forced to grow up fast due to his living situation, and in his eyes this made his same-aged peers /more/ childlike(?) and immature compared to him, who’s already grown up and has adult big boy responsibilities to worry about than silly little exams and high school social hierarchy. he’s extroverted and has a sunshine personality, blunt and honest to anyone he talks to. he always knows what to say to kids his age to feel shame for the bullshit they pull. even with older people, the baseball kids, to gilsu “나이 먹고 그게 자랑이야?”

so yeah sleeping a lot at school due to working part-time for hours may have contributed to him not having friends (hello he follows like 5 people in instagram, such a skinny ratio with his 1k+ followers) but also he probably found it hard to relate and saw no reason to put effort in hanging out with them outside inevitable campus interactions. until sieun. sieun who sooho calls a weirdo, who’s really interesting, whose eyes say how empty he must feel inside but you can see the fire in them. sooho probably thought sieun would never initiate a conversation with him but he did approach him for lunch that one time. and finds himself enjoying the company. now he grew to love showing sieun that there’s more to life than studying hard and preparing for college. it’s all mundane things, eating, gaming, karaokeing, playing pool, “let’s drive all night long,” friendship and the kind of company that their families and other people couldn’t give.

sooho’s all sun and bright but he hasn’t found his person until sieun came along. both of them were very self-sacrificial, ready to risk it all and harm anyone to protect each other. i might just forever ache for sooho ending up on his deathbed after going apeshit seeing sieun hide the injury he got on sooho’s behalf.. and sieun throwing away his whole future when he went and hurt everyone who did that to sooho..

it hits different after i read the equivalent chapters in the webtoon because the suho-sieun-focused friendship story was prolonged for the drama adaptation. sooho was kinda not that interesting in the webtoon so i loved everything they changed and added for his character in the drama. but also like im upset because now im endlessly attached to him.. [edit: in case i piss off webtoon!suho lovers, it’s a personal preference. i love him too but i just cant help but be more emotionally attached to drama!suho] like fuck why did they have to write such a tragic friendship story between highschoolers im fucking done

end of rant ugh i hate myself for this

#weak hero class 1 #kdrama #yeon sieun #ahn sooho #ahn suho #mine #sorry for any mistakes english is my second language and korean is my fourth language im still learning it

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michyeosseo · 1 month

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Just say the word... I could build a town for widows in Gaegyeong.

Honey Lee and Yoon Sa Bong as JO YEO-HWA & JANG SO-WOON

KNIGHT FLOWER (2024) 1.05

#kdramaladies #kdramaedit #kdrama #knight flower #honey lee #yoon sa bong #밤에 피는 꽃 #so very precious much #the arc of myeongdo inn as a widow halfway home ah 'twas the gift that kept on giving #look sowoon does worry about yeohwa #she offers on more than one occasion to fix the situation in her stead #maybe showing up for their pre-dawn bell debrief is enough assurance #she just learned not to let her be more concerned about her concern :')

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fake-married-my-dead-fiance · 9 days

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My Favourite Kdrama actresses (and what I've seen them in):

Park Bo-young

(Oh My Ghost, Strong Woman Bong-soon, Doom at Your Service, Daily Dose of Sunshine)

Park Eun-bin

(The King's Affection, Extraordinary Attorney Woo, Castaway Diva)

Han Hyo-joo

(W: Two Worlds, Happiness, Moving)

Kim Hye-yoon

(Extraordinary You, Lovely Runner)

Park So-jin

(Sh**ting Stars, Alchemy of Souls)

Honourable Mentions (because I've only seen them in one thing):

Park Ju-hyun from The Forbidden Marriage & Seo Yea-ji from It's Okay to Not Be Okay

#park bo young #park eun bin #han hyo joo #kim hye yoon #park so jin #I really like Park So-jin and apparently she's a singer is what I learned #had to check multiple times that Han Hyo-joo was really the mom in Moving because she looks so different #kdramas

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eventually--darling · 11 months

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i rlly dont understand the logic behind some of these scenes like what are the writers trying to convey. bc some of the stuff she does is SO fucked up but then it turns to like? look at this inspirational success. what shes doing is working wow look at her

#huh? what?#sorry your son cant walk i guess the solution is to nearly-drown him until he figures out how #oh hes paralyzed from the neck down? withhold food until he learns to use a spoon again #but if you dont think of it as her being a good person it's sooo tragic #bc kang ho is so loyal to her as his mother #hes still a child who will hold onto her no mater what she does to him #the good bad mother #kdrama posting

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alexiethymia · 1 year

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Choi Chi Yeol malewife confirmed. Ok smooth move. Not sleeping and waiting for her in the early hours of the morning so they could make up?? That sweetness of them just making up the moment they saw each other?? Him holding her shopping trolley AND her handbag??

The way he takes care of her wound?? Like wow he is great at taking care of people?

The irony that it was murderous Mr. Ji who actually made it so that they ended up spending the night together?? I did not expect another make-out session after that dream kiss but whoo boy am I so so glad to be proven wrong. Mad respect for Haeng Seon. The thirst was real when he was blowing on her wound.

Literally wanting to eat breakfast together and just ‘five more minutes’ wanting to cuddle together?? I am sure he has never been more comfortable and at home on his bigass bed until he had Haeng Seon in his arms, with an arm pillow even! With their foreheads touching even! ALSO I MUST ADD, sleeping together and waking up while holding hands even! Like wow they seem like such a private couple in the sense that they don’t hold hands or are overtly affectionate in public, but get them alone together and they’re all cheek cradling and holding hands every moment and never wanting to let go. That’s my jam. I love those types of couples.

And the fact that it isn’t enough that Haeng Seon spent the night at his place. He also wants to spend the night in the Nam Family home, because as already established he just wants to be part of that family so badly. Like just cohabit already! Let him fulfill his dreams of being Haeng Seon’s husband, Jae Woo’s brother-in-law, and Hae Yee’s father figure already!

#crash course in romance #I just adore domesticity #I say all this to myself because of the inevitable angst #I can’t believe history is repeating itself #It’s the grown-ups fault for making the kids suffer #Seung jae may end up with the difficult decision of protecting his family #Or owning up to this so Hae yee doesn’t have to #Like wow his mom really ruined her kids’ lives #when will these moms learn #kdramas #ramblings about kdramas

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lienwyn · 8 months

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So. I've always wanted to get better at drawing someone's likeness with just lines so I decided to do a couple of sketches of Ga On as practice. And then decided to up the difficulty and practise on expressions while still capturing his likeness. Because why make things easy for myself? References were used for all of them (even the bratty, pouty one).

And yes, we definitely needed Actual Baby Deer Kim Ga On. Because of reasons.

... I'm a VERY serious artist, I promise.

(Not going to lie, I kinda wanna draw Yo Han with wolf ears now...)

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bellepark · 6 months

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EVILIVE (2023) ep 1

#shin ha kyun #shin jae ha #kdrama #kdramaedit #userdramas #userginpotts #tusermona #udeokmis #natahjikio #syaring #usergooseras #kdramasource #kdramadaily #asiandramanet #asiandramasource #beom jae is such a little shit lol #also still learning to color this show properly so #be patient with me #belleparkgif

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fluffycrow · 11 months

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Our Blues (2022) – episode 18

#Our Blues #ourbluesedit #kdramaedit #Kim Woo Bin #Lee Jung Eun #Bae Hyun Sung #Roh Yoon Seo #Choi Young Joon #Park Ji Hwan #Shin Min Ah #Jung Sung Il #Kim Hye Ja #kdrama #all #m:gifs #so glad I found the right psd. it just works the way I edit #(sure I still need to learn how to color better but it works)

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whenthegoldrays · 5 months

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The theme of episode 6 really floored me. How long can a secret remain a secret before it becomes a lie? (Spoilers incoming!) Woo-hak had previously been just as confused as Mok-ha, and possibly more than her, so any theory of his being Ki-ho wasn't a lie, simply a mistake. Bogeol, on the other hand, knew the truth all along and kept it under wraps because it was a secret. He hadn't had to lie and say he wasn't Ki-ho because no one was asking. Mok-ha asking questions and Woo-hak learning the truth in episode 6 makes liars out of them all — he tells Mok-ha that Ki-ho is married (a lie) and Ms. Song tells Mok-ha to be a hairdresser instead of a singer (lying about her intentions).

And yet these lies are somewhat justified in that they're being told for the safety of Mok-ha and the family. But how long can these innocent lies remain innocent, spoken under the intention of keeping a secret, before they become unforgivable? I'd say that Mok-ha deserves to know the truth, especially now that it's not just a matter of knowing, but that her career and future could be actively shaped by Ms. Song's advice.

#i don't know if this makes sense #I may make a more coherent version of this post later on #I just had a string of thoughts about this #the way that woo-hak learning the truth about the past forced him to become a liar in the name of his family's safety #also the fact that mok-ha began doing ran-joo's singing as a one time thing to save face and then it quickly became a national lie complete #with high stakes and blackmail #oh what a tangled web we weave etc etc #I had a whole other half of this post talking about how the lies in this show are much more forgivable than the lies in start-up but #the post was getting too long and I don't want to drag that show into every post I make about this show #castaway diva #castaway diva spoilers #kdrama #elly's posts

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wibbly-wobbly-kylie-wylie-blog · 6 months

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lee chan falling for cheong ah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

#twinkling watermelon #kdrama #반짝이는 워터멜론 #lee chan #cheong ah #lee chan x cheong ah #they are so cute #fall in love faster #this drama makes me want to learn sign language #I already wanted to learn sign language #but I want to even more now #asl #asl would be more useful to me #but ksl is super cool too #the problem with being a linguist #is that I am obsessed with all languages #and I have too many languages on my plate #I cannot learn them all #but god so help me I will try

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korean-with-haneul · 1 year

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Korean Pronunciation tip#1

The T stop

ㄱ 기역 (Gi-eoK) ㄴ 니은 (Ni-eun) ✿ㄷ 디귿 (Di-geuT) ㄹ 리을 (Ri-euL) ㅁ 미음 (Mi-euM) ㅂ 비읍 (bi-euP) ✿ㅅ 시옷 (Shi-oT) ㅇ 이응 (i-euNG) ✿ㅈ 지읒 (Ji-euT) ✿ㅊ 치읓 (Chi-euT) ㅋ 키읔 (Ki-euK) ✿ㅌ 티읕 (Ti-euT) ㅍ 피�� (Pi-euP) ✿ㅎ 히읗 (Hi-euT)

The ones with ✿ when they are in the end of the syllable they are pronounced as T ▪︎빋, 빗, 빚, 빛, 빝, 빟 are all pronounced the same ▪︎이것 [이걷], 늦게 [늗게], 몇 [멷],

◉ㄷ (d/t) :

When pronounced normally : 다른: other 다: all, everything 등: etc 달기: strawberry 도마: cutting board 둘: 2 (Korean number) 담배: cigarette 도(particle) : also, too 나도/저도 : me too

When pronounced as T (받침 position) : 곧 soon

◉ㅅ (s/sh):

When pronounced normally : 소리: voice 신발: shoes 슬프다: to be sad 사람 : people 미소: smile 시킨 : chicken 새: bird 버스: bus 다시: again

When pronounced as T: 옷: clothes 어젯밤: 고깃집 : meat house 찻집: tea house 맛: taste

Same goes for ㅆ:

When pronounced normally : 씨: Mr, Mrs, Miss 쓰다 : to use, to write 싸우다: to fight

When pronounced as T: 있다: to have, to exist

◉ㅈ (j) :

When pronounced normally : 쥐: mouse 주다: to give 주스: juice 자유: freedom /liberty 진짜 : really, truly 저: I (formal)

When pronounced as T: 잊다: to forget 낮: day time 낮잠: nap 늦게 : late 찾다: to find, to look for

◉ㅊ (ch) :

When pronounced normally : 친구: friend 차: tea 처음: at first, for the first time 층: floor 부츠: boots

When pronounced as T:

꽃: flower 몇: how many 빛: light 빛나다: to shine, to be bright

◉ㅌ (t) :

This consonant is pronounced T

토끼: bunny, rabbit 토마토: tomatoes 밑: under 특별하다: to be special

◉ㅎ (h):

When pronounced normally :

행복: happiness 행복하다: To be happy 화: nager 화가 나다: to be angry 히터: heater

When pronounced as T:

좋다: To be good, great 그렇지/그렇죠: That's right

BUT, if the next syllable starts with ㅇ (이응), then those are pronounced normally 받아요 [바다요], 버섯이 [버서시], 잊었어요 [이저써요], 꽃이 [꼬치], ….

받다: to receive 버섯: mashroom

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oddbiscuit · 5 months

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It makes me so sad that eun yu gets so much hate. I feel like people don't give her the grace they give the other characters, which is so unfair because she's also just a teenager! She's traumatized and trying to make sense of her reality and past just like the rest of them, but because she hides behind a bubbly and easygoing facade people are way too willing to call her annoying (there's also the fact that she's similar to yichan in some ways, and yichan makes TONS of stupid mistakes as well but doesn't get treated the same way).

I for one have a special spot in my heart for characters that are depressed and struggling but shine so, so brightly for their friends. Yes, when she's unaware of something she gets in the way of 'plot' but she's also a supportive friend? I can never understand why people complain about characters acting like the person they're set up to be, just because it doesn't go along with the 'plot' they want to happen.

She's blunt, confident, a bit cheeky, but she also has so many insecurities and flaws. She's not perfect, and I love her for that. We need more female characters that are messy and complex and not just the typical personality types we usually see. Her and eungyeol clearly come from very different upbringings and have different worldviews so seeing them collide was such a delight. Seeing them completely fluster and challenge each other and then grow from that is why their romance really worked for me.

I wish we had more female leads like eun yu!!! She's such a sweetheart!!! I need more female leads that are sources of chaos!!!!

#twinkling watermelon #rambles #seol in ah #on eun yu #kdrama #i love her!!!#i will not stand for on eun yu hate!!!#like let's be real yichan (who i love don't get me wrong) also did plenty of stupid shit but people only seemed to get mad at eun yu #she's also just a kid!! they're all kids let them be stupid and make mistakes from time to time!#i thought the message of the show was literally about learning to enjoy your youth!!!

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