#lefttube

[lesbianamalvada]

the schizo 4chan conspiracy about contra and philosophy tube is real and this is all the confirmation I need.

#contrapoints #philosophy tube #breadtube #lefttube #video essays #video essayists #twitter #twitter screenshot

[weaselbeaselpants]

Lindsay Ellis plagiarized a ndn author

This post isn't a callout and it's only my own post because the OP source I just learned it from, @neechees, doesn't allow rbgs at a certain point on that post.

After Hmbomberguy's expose on Illuminaughtii and James Somerton some people are giving a well deserved eye back to the leftube sphere that was kind of schism-d and held under scrutiny in what I feel was, a lot of the time, misinformed hate campaigns in response to genuine criticism; especially towards Lindsay Ellis who up left after she was canceled and hasn't returned to continuous video making publicly even after people have mostly agreed the hatedom directed for her Raya and the Last Dragon takes was stupid and was erasing actual SEA people's discussions of the culture. To hear and see a decent breakdown of that film's representation problems BEYOND the Ellis-parts because it's worth your wild regardless of if you've seen the movie, please watch the three part video series hosted by Xiran Jay Zhao.

To tl;dr the 2021 drama: people have held an ire towards Ellis for a long time feeling like her and her white-woman base talk over, steal, or just straight up don't apologize for their own racism towards women and ppl of color, and after Lindsay did a problematic by pointing out that Raya and the Last Dragon was like ATLA, people jumped on her.

Being both a longtime fan of Ellis and white as fucc, I personally feel like Lindsay kind of forgave herself and threw out the actual criticisms held against her every bit as much as people just kind of treated her like a punching bag. Or, to paraphrase @padawan-historian's old takes from then, they treated Lindsay like she was trying to be the ENTIRE conversation, not the start of one, and like every possible outcome that could happen over her videos was her fault personally. Some of Lindsay's loudest and nastiest 'critics' were, in fact, other white people or just people who have no good faith in addressing her fuck ups, like Lily Orchard, fe.

One 'Lindsay did a racism'point tho that I felt wasn't truly addressed in full though were claims by indigenous people that she was anti-native, especially in her videos about Twilight and Pocahontas, which yeah at the time I was very passive of you can 100% find post abt that. But then Neechees linked me to an article I, and I think a lot of other video essay-fans had never seen before. This article accused Lindsay of stealing half of her talking points on Disney's Pocahontas from theirs.

When people on the breadtube spectrum talk of Lindsay, even people who criticized her at the time. all kind of agree that the intensity of the backlash was uncalled for and, while not everyone agrees if her public silence is a 'canceling' or not, agree with her need to just take care of herself these days. For those curious, this is the article making this claim:

I am not saying you need to all unfollow and hate everything Lindsay ever touched, mkay? But I also genuinely hope that Lindsay addresses this+comes clean because holy fuck. Unlike Somerton, all I can tell you is I don't just 'believe Windsey wouldn't hurt nobody uwu~'. I am pretty certain that Lindsay care about the topics she covers, for whatever that's worth to say as another whiteperson. It's just that, like Contrapoints, I ALSO think she has a tendency to deflect criticism within that sphere and lump all her negative bagage together. This really sucks cuz not all of us are Lily Orchards or Vaush clones.

Most of us are/were casual watchers of Lindsay like we are Hbomber, Contra, Lady Emily, Folding Ideas, and ToddintheShadows (does he count as leftube idk?) and we really, genuinely don't want to believe that Lindsay stole from + refuses to listen to women of color when they call her out.

Where I like almost everyone in the leftoob analyst sphere that's ever growing and hopefully now weeding out Illumanaughtii-s and Sommerton-s of the world, there ARE controversies within the space that I don't agree with creators on. Some are dumb things like the exact takes Lindsay has about movies n shows that I just up and disagree with her on, Princess Weekes' proshipping apologia that I have LOTS of thoughts on. However, some matters are clearly personal and about maters that just don't involve me. Earlier this year, Folding Ideas and Lady Emily ctrl+alt+deleted some replies they made to Quinton Reviews, making clear that they very much still dislike him based on something that happened between Quinton, Lindsay and I think SarahZ. And by "dislike", I mean also still believeing his former editor over him on who was boundary pushing about who in their relationship. On the offchance any of those creators or their stans somehow see this, know that I'm not going to tell any of you guys how to feel about whatever Quinton did in private I'm not aware of; it's just that I also happen to believe Quinton on this issue and I don't like the guiltybyassociation mantra.

>>>>side note: I hate that every time someone says "I believe so and so after hearing their side now" ppl jump on the "you were just a stan from the beginning and never actually able to listen"-bs. Yeah, being more familiar with one creator over the other means there's bias, sure, but I kinda hate that that once held bias means you can't be held as any kind of source or form your own opinions. <<<

Big introvert vibes ahead: the thing about any big social circle of better-spoken people than you is they ALL seem like a scary meangirl's table from outside looking in. The kind that'll send goons after you with passive-aggressive "this is slander against me and I have the right to be upset abt it sorry if the stans eat you alive". They can also be made out by their fans to be harmless internet nobody's who YOU are at fault for getting mad and staying mad at cuz it's not like it matters on the internet and are clearly just out for drama and 'twofaced' yourself. I think the reality is the same thing that drives every community forward as well as drives them apart: these people are legitimate friends. They stick up for each other the same way we stick up for our personal internet friends whenever there's shit coming their way. The breadtube circle, whoever that is at this point, clearly know some shit we don't about themselves as much as they don't know shit about us and our true intentions. One of them has a platform and responsibility, where the other has power in masses and following them or not. We gotta all make the choices best for us.

Anyway. I guess, if any of the stuff about Lindsay ripping off that writer IS true, I really hope that she admits and apologizes for it. That's not cool to do to her indigenous audience, or even me, one of her white fans who expects actually allyship.

#breadtube #lefttube #hbomberguy #lindsay ellis #critical #ndn tag #indigenous rights #plagerism

[anarchicarachnid]

"20% are either just using any mention of Vaush to just shit-talk him as a default without any stated reasons" - Vaush has engaged in forms of Holocaust denial, using common nazi dogwhistles and believes the numbers are inflated as propaganda. Vaush said: “If you are not paying for child pornography there is no argument in favour of morally condeming people who view it. Vaush admits to being an informant when he lived in Santa Monica, California. He admits to revealing activist identities to the FBI. Vaush called the LGBT community ‘cancerous as fuck.’ because there’s a “ton of mental illness” and said they should be “excised from the left.” He also called them “less than human” and “fucking disgusting”. Vaush called trans people ‘bitches’ for taking offence when misgendered." - Vaush deserves to be shit-talked, he's less-than-human scum.

For anyone interested, this is a fantastic example of how many people who view themselves as The Most Progressive will join in on internet hate mobs using the shallow guise of criticizing leftist advocates "from the left", while in actuality they're just hate-mongering based on shit they heard second- or third-hand, and which they don't understand, and which is provably false.

It's just too bad it actually takes way more effort to do the research necessary to disprove a list of lies than it does to parrot a bunch of shit you read and immediately believed, or sometimes just lying on purpose. SO: I went to the trouble of doing the research necessary to settle this stupid shit conclusively.

First of all, I respect that you're the one and only person who didn't respond positively to my message on that post but actually provided even a single argument for why you disagree. Unfortunately your intellectual dishonesty immediately ruins that respect.

So with this person's vague allusions to Holocaust revisionism and nazi dog whistles, my first guess would be the debate against Maupin, which was an extremely frustrating experience involving a dishonest cult leader tankie who actively engaged in his own very obvious genocide denial, and after about 40 minutes of taking him to task for actually being reactionary despite posturing as a leftist, Vaush calls out his attempts to deny the Uyghur genocide by listing common ways in which Nazis will similarly attempt to undermine the narrative of the Holocaust. He did this explicitly and obviously as a way to point out how his debate opponent was engaging in denialism, and to draw parallels. If you had actually seen this play out and still believe Vaush was just unironically listing Holocaust revisionist talking points that he agreed with, actually it's impossible, you're JUST a liar. So I don't believe you actually saw this yourself, you heard somebody else tell you what happened.

Another possible but less likely example of nazi talking points being referenced might be when, during the NonCompete debate, Vaush tried to point out that NC had no actual ethical system, and was instead just repeatedly referencing common leftie terminology such as dialectics and sophistry. And he did so by asking several successive rhetorical questions, which utterly reinforced that NC had no ethical system, once he repeatedly confirmed that he believes it to be impossible to objectively determine whether an action is right or wrong, instead deferring to shifting material conditions. Vaush's point, explicitly, was that whether the justifications the Nazis used for their evil actions, such as Jewish people being over-represented in the banking industry at the time, were true or false, the actions of the Nazis were STILL EVIL AND WRONG. But NC literally couldn't say "the Nazis were wrong in their genocidal actions even if their justifications were factual"

As for the idea that he ever said that CP was okay if it wasn't paid for. First of all: ???? Are you fucking stupid? Second of all, he was clear and re-explained later for the uncharitable or stupid people who misinterpreted his point: he was using CP specifically as a point of ethical comparison to point out how we societally tend to ignore other forms of cruelty and exploitation against children, such as child slavery involved in our economy on a massive scale, though it tends to be in the form of global industries that export products to the US and other places that consider themselves above child slavery. There is a really obvious benefit to using highly contentious examples when debating someone, and it's that some people are willing to bite the bullet on something that is unethical, but if you bring up a contentious example of something directly analogous they will hesitate, even though often the latter example is nearly identical in terms of severity.

Now, when it comes to the claim that he admitted to being an informant, I will admit that while he was joking, it wasn't very obvious. It was easy to misinterpret. But after viewing it again, it's really super clear that his point was specifically about how extremist and other types of radical political groups are what they are, and aren't non-radical simply because they tend to contain dishonest actors such as informants, followed by a his joke that absolutely isn't sincere admission of something that obvious never happened. Cause like.. what group could pre-fame Vaush ever have informed on? He was just a 20 year old in college before blowing up on youtube, he wasn't a major actor in any groups whatsoever.

As to where you get the specific claim that he "revealed activist identities to the FBI" the only thing I could find was a 20 second clip in a tweet specifically claiming that he did so as a way to get out of CP possession charges, the claim for which has zero evidence or further context whatsoever, and is a condensed clip of exactly the same video I already viewed again just to see if there was any possible way you could be misinterpreting this unintentionally. Again, you clearly read this shit out of context, were told what to believe, and immediately believed it because it confirmed what you already wanted to believe. Also that tweet is suuuuuuuuuper obviously dishonest hack shit. You should be embarrassed for this one.

He "called trans people bitches" as an extremely obvious joke in a tweet that he immediately added more context to with subsequent tweets, which specifically was about TYPOS, not actual misgendering. Typos get corrected immediately, misgendering is intentional. An explicitly pro-trans advocate who literally lives with two trans people and whose audience is full of at least tens of thousands of trans people who think he advocates for trans rights as well as anyone in his position is capable of, going on to make obvious trans-centric jokes sometimes, is uhhhh not transphobic probably??

Also in the other part of this, which you lumped together as one event, he called out certain parts of the online lgbt community as being toxic wokescolds who were actually really abusive, but hid behind identity politics to make themselves immune to criticism. And this is just objectively true, and further evidenced by the lgbt people who attempt to abuse him endlessly and dishonestly non-stop every single day and over every new incident of him being a progressive advocate but sometimes disagreeing with a fellow lgbt person, which I really shouldn't need to remind you.. He is. He is in the community. People love to erase that.

Furthermore in this instance he was defending Contrapoints, a trans woman, against abusive wokescolds, correctly. And of course later Contra refused to extend the same charitability to him when he was getting sexually harassed and character assassinated by a fellow trans woman content creator who similarly played up the IdPol angle to avoid criticism, and who also leaked DMs and physically mocked him, which is pretty disgusting behavior for a progressive public figure against another progressive public figure she just personally didn't like. And Contra admitted to not even having looked into the context before picking sides against him.

Furthermore, and I know he says it jokingly a lot because he's edgy and I really don't care about that, but your unironic vitriolic way of referring to him as sub-human scum who essentially deserves to have abusive hate mobs forever, because you saw some people on Twitter or whatever saying that he was an imperfect advocate for progressive values, well it's really telling of the way your extremely vitriolic feelings drive your every thought, utterly incapacitating your critical thinking. No doubt the reason why you straight up parrot such obviously dishonest sources of such obvious disprovable lies. And don't get me wrong, if my research into your claims had yielded any proof contrary to my prior knowledge, I'd have looked further into it. It's a good thing he just straight up isn't the caricature you're envisioning. ☺

This is of course all just to say that if someone is a confident and loud advocate for progressive values but reactionary elements of the supposed online left are *constantly* participating in an abusive hate mob against them, there is a good chance that those people are playing a neverending game of internet telephone in order to create confusion around the actual truth regarding various accusations, to the point that it's difficult to even know if someone saw something firsthand when they confidently throw out condemnations.

#leftism #vaush #debate bros #breadtube #progressive #progressivism #online lefties #youtube leftists #leftist livestreamers #lgbt #lgbtqplus #anarchist #anarchism #tankies #socialism #libertarian socialist #anarcho-socialism #lefttube #Contrapoints #kat blaque #noncompete #luna oi #professor flowers #reactionaries #caleb maupin #debates #politics #conservatism #fascism #sweet lord am i gonna get hate for this one. but i've never spent so much time researching before debunking dipshittery so come get it bish

[fanboy-feminist]

Here are some of my favorite graphics from the new Contrapoints video

#the Jack Halberstam quote made me burst out laughing #maybe it’s just because it’s a shiny new video but I genuinely think this is Natalie’s best video essay yet #contrapoints #STRANGEAEONS MENTION! #lefttube #leftist #leftism #breadtube #natalie wynn #twilight #queer theory #lgbt studies #gay and lesbian studies #Jack halberstam #strange aeons #strangeaeons #camille paglia

[shyjusticewarrior]

Good time for a reminder that hbomberguy is an abuse apologist and enabler

#breadtube #hbomberguy #contrapoints #natalie wynn #abuse apologism #enablers #lefttube #youtubers #youtube #leftism #performative activism #performative allyship #buck angel

[tentz]

This whole Vaush thing is ridiculous, and it's only being used from people who don't like the guy like Ethan & Hasan.

I don't crank to loli stuff personally but i wouldn't judge someone if they do, it's his snake + it's not harming anyone.

It's just so stupid how everyone pretends like this is a huge issue that will result in big consequences lol.

#vaush #hasanabi #twitch #youtube leftists #lefttube

[hms-no-fun]

i made a video essay about making video essays. check it out a little maybe

#sarahposts #but in video form #video essay #breadtube #lefttube

[jadasakura]

#youtube #lefttube #afroman #ogafroman #decolonize

[firespirited]

I've decided to sort of ignore allegations against sophie from mars and instead pre-emptively unfollow any artist, activist, entertainer or fellow hobbyist talking about 'kink' or 'fluid relationships'.

It's not 1969, you either abide by the clear boundaries of BDSM and polyamory or you're creating an environment rife for abuse and drama. Same with queer folk of any stripes who haven't engaged with the basic history/community of the labels they claim. Same for anyone opaque about their salary.

You don't have to be serious about anything but you do need to be grown-up about your sex life, relationships and taxes.

In 2024: fluid is for how you feel, not how you act. Accountability isn't a buzzword, it literally means good bookkeeping and guidelines about fraternising.

#saf #Yeah politicians are worse than highschoolers at this #I have so little expectations and yet #Breadtube #Lefttube #leftism #Activism

[house-of-ivy]

hbomberguy literally never fails to disappoint. i got home and saw he had a new video i dropped everything for 4 goddamn hours.

happy IDPwD to all and to all a good night

#hbomberguy #youtube #breadtube #lefttube #disabled #actually adhd #actually autistic #audhd #idpwd

[eagletdoesthings]

Just a friendly reminder to the internet that it’s wrong to be racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, antisemetic, body shaming, etc etc to ANYONE. I don’t care how much you don’t like them. I don’t care if they’re also a bigot, because when you say these things, you are actively perpetuating these systems, which doesn’t just hurt them, but pretty much everyone, and ESPECIALLY people in marginalized communities.

Also it’s SO uncreative. Like, seriously? You couldn’t come up with anything else?

#leftism #leftist #breadtube #lefttube

[lesbianamalvada]

Most video essays over an hour long are self-flagellating bullshit with unfocused scripts here’s one that actually earns it’s runtime and is a topic people need to be more educated about. The way the Sound Of Freedom hacks were able to manipulate so many normies was frustrating but not surprising, and I’m glad someone is deconstructing it. Can’t recommend this more.

#youtube #the morbid zoo #video essays #breadtube #lefttube #leftism #child trafficking #human trafficking #child exploitation #sound of freedom #right wing bullshit #humanism #theory #tw child abuse #tw csa #tw trafficking

[ohsalome]

Initially I wanted to ignore this thread, but I have a few mutuals who watch Philosophytube who I think would want to know about her stance

#ukraine #war in ukraine #russia #not all russians #russian culture #ukrainian genocide #breadtube #lefttube #philosophytube #abigail thorn #personally i find it unsurprising #i unsubbed from her when she called chornobyl ''a part of soviet russia''

[punkass-diogenes]

Vaush, for all his flaws, is consistently having the best Barbie takes of any big name in the online leftosphere right now. He 100% got it and I'm glad he's setting these people straight.

#barbie #vaush #lefttube #breadtube #commentary #i am admittedly not versed in vaush lore #i just know he is considered ~problematic~ by a lot of people #and is kind of an edgelord #but he is right about this one

[mrsblackruby]

Highly Recommend for my homies fed tf up with how everything is. ✨

#leftist #leftism #lefttube #my politics #black anarchism #anarchism #anarchist #transformative justice #abolish the death penalty #abolish police #abolish prisons #leftist ed #abolition #prison abolition #restorative justice #Youtube

[homebreweds]

* NATALIE WYNN in OPULENCE.

Opulence is not abundance. Opulence is the aesthetic of abundance.

#contrapoints #natalie wynn #youtuberedit #contrapointsedit #gifs #gifsets #nataliewynnedit #lefttube #lefttubeedit #breadtube #trans creators #*mine