#leftube

[bunni-bonez]

#leftism #socialism #communism #anarchism #breadtube #leftube #marxism #shitpost #leftist memes

[adam-sadmon]

This is the kind of guy Vaush fans defend like he's an ally, absolutely despicable, how he hasn't been deplatformed is fucking beyond me.

#Vaush #Left tube #Leftube #Breadtube #Debate #Debate bros #Professor Flowers #Noah Samsen #Twitch

[thefaceless-man]

#sorry but its true #contrapoints is the only leftuber I trust to handle this topic with nuance

[killbaned]

well i was going to watch a horror movie after my shower but the niche youtuber drama has a PLOT TWIST, and i simply must find out what’s happening

#apparently two other commentary channels chimed in while i was at work #me: we should all touch grass #also me at niche leftube infighting: BITE EACH OTHERS DICKS OFF-

[selamat-linting]

why is even the podcasters and youtubers covering up financial crimes and investment frauds are all neoliberal? like, i cant believe actual left wing content creators who love learning about the inner workings of the modern financial systems are basically non-existent. we had enough of video game and cartoon analysis already we need to dive into the meat of whats unfair in this world. the base of the superstructure. talk about that tech bro shit. oh well, you cant put hope on online leftist to have an impact. at least there's plenty of irl orgs filled with comrades actually learning and analyzing whats important. at least im a part of the struggle.

#to be fair #if i started a personal blogging site #i would focus on my interest and do all of my organizing shit #in my party's website #which is what i've been doing for the last two years #only my org is not a party. we're still trying to build one #so i guess the best scenario is all of the leftubers who only make media analysis is just there for fun #and their serious work is at their respective org's socials and archives #infighting and resentment tag

[lily-orchard-archives]

#Politics #Proffessor Flowers #Vaush #leftubers

[karinyosa]

for anyone interested in postcolonial theory, political theory, and education, elliot sang is doing free readings of pedagogy of the oppressed by paulo friere chapter by chapter on his side channel, reading with elliot. he takes moments to chat between sections. it's chill and easy to listen to

#if i used a term in a not quite correct way it's because i am not an expert lmao #karinyo.txt #i literally have no idea what to tag this as #video essay #video essays #books #theory #education #colonialism #as in the book is like. about institutional education and its relationship to colonialism #elliot sang dr fatima and ismatu gwendolyn are all people i respect SO much given how 'leftube' went/has gone #the level of analysis and practicality in terms of like personal application are very appreciated w all three #so for anyone worrying about the book being overly heady #don't. it's meant to be helpful in a practical way

[spacerangersam]

i don't even know what to say, so, unpopular opinion, reading and consuming problematic media is good for you. (if consuned critically) to develop the ability to think critically about whatever you're doing. what do you think

idk about 'good for you', but i definitely agree that it can actually help develop your critical thing skills, if as you said, you're consuming it critically, you're listening to people, especially those affected, explain the nuances of it, you're doing further research to educate yourself etc. in order to learn from the past and grow from it, you do have to confront it, after all

#i mean. isn't that basically what the entirety of leftube is about? engaging with these horrid beliefs/media and then explaining why #you should be weary of them #i don't think im explaining myself well because I had like. no sleep last night but yeah #can be educational if you're careful

[communistkenobi]

wait when people talk about their "nazi" phases are they not joking/exaggerating being mildly conservative?

I remember like post-gamergate when “leftube” or “breadtube” started to become a thing online, a bunch of YouTubers focused on deradicalizing angry white men by making video essays and meme videos dunking on how stupid right wing people are (hbomberguy, contrapoints, philosphytube, shaun, etc - chapo trap house also started taking off around this time, coining ‘the dirtbag left’ and so on). They explicitly talked about this as part of their goal for generating content on youtube, and I think this helped foster an atmosphere where people would casually talk about how they were deradicalized by these channels, that they had a Nazi phase when they were younger but had grown out of it now, etc.

and like obviously white people have always been comfortable talking about their racist beliefs and bragging about how they just learned to stop being racist like 40mins ago, so this isn’t a new phenomenon, but I think in the context of lib-leftish online spaces there’s a huge willingness on the part of these deradicalized people to be very open about their past beliefs and behaviours. to read them very generously, I’m assuming it’s part evangelising (‘I got out, you can too!’), part feeling the need to be open about their past so they don’t end up in a situation where someone uncovers hidden racist tweets they made a few years ago (which is its own can of worms lol), and part a need to find empathy and understanding from people around them for past behaviours that they now (rightfully) view as horrifying. But I think a lot of people are also pretty horrified themselves by this willingness on the part of these (usually white, although I’m sure there’s diversity within this crowd) people to casually drop the fact of their ‘Nazi phase’ in conversations like it’s not a huge deal, and the fact that they’re so casual about it indicates that they probably are not super committed to all these progressive ideals they’re now spouting

#asks #nazi mention

[weaselbeaselpants]

Lindsay Ellis plagiarized a ndn author

This post isn't a callout and it's only my own post because the OP source I just learned it from, @neechees, doesn't allow rbgs at a certain point on that post.

After Hmbomberguy's expose on Illuminaughtii and James Somerton some people are giving a well deserved eye back to the leftube sphere that was kind of schism-d and held under scrutiny in what I feel was, a lot of the time, misinformed hate campaigns in response to genuine criticism; especially towards Lindsay Ellis who up left after she was canceled and hasn't returned to continuous video making publicly even after people have mostly agreed the hatedom directed for her Raya and the Last Dragon takes was stupid and was erasing actual SEA people's discussions of the culture. To hear and see a decent breakdown of that film's representation problems BEYOND the Ellis-parts because it's worth your wild regardless of if you've seen the movie, please watch the three part video series hosted by Xiran Jay Zhao.

To tl;dr the 2021 drama: people have held an ire towards Ellis for a long time feeling like her and her white-woman base talk over, steal, or just straight up don't apologize for their own racism towards women and ppl of color, and after Lindsay did a problematic by pointing out that Raya and the Last Dragon was like ATLA, people jumped on her.

Being both a longtime fan of Ellis and white as fucc, I personally feel like Lindsay kind of forgave herself and threw out the actual criticisms held against her every bit as much as people just kind of treated her like a punching bag. Or, to paraphrase @padawan-historian's old takes from then, they treated Lindsay like she was trying to be the ENTIRE conversation, not the start of one, and like every possible outcome that could happen over her videos was her fault personally. Some of Lindsay's loudest and nastiest 'critics' were, in fact, other white people or just people who have no good faith in addressing her fuck ups, like Lily Orchard, fe.

One 'Lindsay did a racism'point tho that I felt wasn't truly addressed in full though were claims by indigenous people that she was anti-native, especially in her videos about Twilight and Pocahontas, which yeah at the time I was very passive of you can 100% find post abt that. But then Neechees linked me to an article I, and I think a lot of other video essay-fans had never seen before. This article accused Lindsay of stealing half of her talking points on Disney's Pocahontas from theirs.

When people on the breadtube spectrum talk of Lindsay, even people who criticized her at the time. all kind of agree that the intensity of the backlash was uncalled for and, while not everyone agrees if her public silence is a 'canceling' or not, agree with her need to just take care of herself these days. For those curious, this is the article making this claim:

I am not saying you need to all unfollow and hate everything Lindsay ever touched, mkay? But I also genuinely hope that Lindsay addresses this+comes clean because holy fuck. Unlike Somerton, all I can tell you is I don't just 'believe Windsey wouldn't hurt nobody uwu~'. I am pretty certain that Lindsay care about the topics she covers, for whatever that's worth to say as another whiteperson. It's just that, like Contrapoints, I ALSO think she has a tendency to deflect criticism within that sphere and lump all her negative bagage together. This really sucks cuz not all of us are Lily Orchards or Vaush clones.

Most of us are/were casual watchers of Lindsay like we are Hbomber, Contra, Lady Emily, Folding Ideas, and ToddintheShadows (does he count as leftube idk?) and we really, genuinely don't want to believe that Lindsay stole from + refuses to listen to women of color when they call her out.

Where I like almost everyone in the leftoob analyst sphere that's ever growing and hopefully now weeding out Illumanaughtii-s and Sommerton-s of the world, there ARE controversies within the space that I don't agree with creators on. Some are dumb things like the exact takes Lindsay has about movies n shows that I just up and disagree with her on, Princess Weekes' proshipping apologia that I have LOTS of thoughts on. However, some matters are clearly personal and about maters that just don't involve me. Earlier this year, Folding Ideas and Lady Emily ctrl+alt+deleted some replies they made to Quinton Reviews, making clear that they very much still dislike him based on something that happened between Quinton, Lindsay and I think SarahZ. And by "dislike", I mean also still believeing his former editor over him on who was boundary pushing about who in their relationship. On the offchance any of those creators or their stans somehow see this, know that I'm not going to tell any of you guys how to feel about whatever Quinton did in private I'm not aware of; it's just that I also happen to believe Quinton on this issue and I don't like the guiltybyassociation mantra.

>>>>side note: I hate that every time someone says "I believe so and so after hearing their side now" ppl jump on the "you were just a stan from the beginning and never actually able to listen"-bs. Yeah, being more familiar with one creator over the other means there's bias, sure, but I kinda hate that that once held bias means you can't be held as any kind of source or form your own opinions. <<<

Big introvert vibes ahead: the thing about any big social circle of better-spoken people than you is they ALL seem like a scary meangirl's table from outside looking in. The kind that'll send goons after you with passive-aggressive "this is slander against me and I have the right to be upset abt it sorry if the stans eat you alive". They can also be made out by their fans to be harmless internet nobody's who YOU are at fault for getting mad and staying mad at cuz it's not like it matters on the internet and are clearly just out for drama and 'twofaced' yourself. I think the reality is the same thing that drives every community forward as well as drives them apart: these people are legitimate friends. They stick up for each other the same way we stick up for our personal internet friends whenever there's shit coming their way. The breadtube circle, whoever that is at this point, clearly know some shit we don't about themselves as much as they don't know shit about us and our true intentions. One of them has a platform and responsibility, where the other has power in masses and following them or not. We gotta all make the choices best for us.

Anyway. I guess, if any of the stuff about Lindsay ripping off that writer IS true, I really hope that she admits and apologizes for it. That's not cool to do to her indigenous audience, or even me, one of her white fans who expects actually allyship.

#breadtube #lefttube #hbomberguy #lindsay ellis #critical #ndn tag #indigenous rights #plagerism

[ghelgheli]

Is Contrapoints inadequate or reactionary?

ya. the leftuber with myopically white feminism who hung out with the clintons, repeatedly throws ultra-left and gnc trans ppl/women under the bus, is a trans women male-privilege truther, dressed up as a nazi (+other anti-semitism)........ is both of those things

#ask answer #anyway REMEMBER the time a transmasc found out i was a phil grad student and said “oh like contrapoints!” #death!!!!

[miamulder]

I have read a book. A tumblr user recommended books critical of psychiatry between those Pharmageddon by David Healy. At the beginning he's a bit "everybody is autistic and adhd these days" but he does make a compelling argument somewhere after that imo. Surprisingly after describing a problem arising from a inconvenient web of incentives he doesn't go the leftube route of saying "and that's why capitalism sucks" , instead he presents a libertarian (?) argument that the FDA shouldn't be there, doctors shouldn't gatekeep the access to medicine and that only processes like the ones against big tobacco (civil case is it?) can keep big pharma under control (!)

Yeah unfortunately a lot of the people who grapple with genuine criticism of the healthcare and mental health sectors are either cranks or idiots which makes it difficult to also levy those criticisms while making it clear you're not with them.

It's like how a lot of people who want to decriminalize drugs are libertarians with similar reasoning making it fucking nightmarish to advocate for that in traditional leftist spaces who tend to consider that kind of stuff a liberal decadence at best.

[st-just]

Challenge for leftubers: Define 'neoliberalism' in a way that doesn't just mean 'capitalism' (impossible)

#vagueposting #draft purge #shitposting

[nerdfighterwhatevernumbers]

While the Somerton stuff is bringing attention to questioning leftist youtubers, some people have come out about sexual abuse allegations against certain leftubers and a few of their friends enabling them. The ones I've seen mentioned are Sophie From Mars, We're In Hell, Chill Goblin, and HeyIt'sVadim. If anyone else has been accused or defending them, I haven't seen it as of combing through twitter just now.

#the victims i've seen come forward are trans women and a sex worker #the five trans women who accused sophie of abuse came out because the 'whisper network' in trans girl circles failed to warn them #Thought Slime works with Sophie a lot but I so far haven't seen them defending her or having allegations come against them #update me if that changes

[adhdo5]

Intertextuality is when I remember something I heard in a leftube video essay once. ADVANCED intertextuality is when I remember one of Eco’s 14 points

[fishtomale]

i genuinely love Jessie Gender's videos, she's so talented at addressing the multiple levels at which transphobia and misogyny impact our culture, but that video "The Nature of Work" is one of the most unintentionally discompassionate things I've ever seen. like the entire thesis revolves around how capitalism hurts workers and conditions us to accept abuse in other areas in our life but then it just ends on the note of "but at least i got out and get to make youtube videos full time :) so there is hope" like um okay. i will not be making youtube videos full time so i'm going to keep having that conditioning you talked about thrust upon me but good for you i guess. it's like a fucking disease that tells leftubers they have to make every big step in their life into a politicized video essay without considering if their experience and how they are framing it actually pushes forward political discourse in a constructive way

#mish.txt