#let jason todd kill people

[kay-enemy]

I feel so bad for Jason when fics make him stop killing just to be "accepted" back into the bat "family". We need more fics that make Bruce stop being abusive so his kids will accept him, or make Dick stop being sanctimonious.

#anti batman #bruce wayne is an abusive parent #Bruce wayne is a bad parent #bruce wayne is an asshole #Dick Grayson is a dick #I will never let go of him attacking Cass #batman #dc comics #bruce wayne #jason todd defense squad #jason todd deserves better #let Jason Todd kill people #Jason Todd #Dick Grayson #Red Hood #abusive bat family #batfam #toxic batfam #the rest of the batkids are okay #mostly #really it's just bruce #and alfred #alfred pennyworth is an enabler #dick grayson only kinda sucks

[spectral-honey]

AU where Jason gets his revenge by becoming a lawyer and getting joker sentenced to the death penalty

Bruce is conflicted about it but any time he tries to say anything on the subject Alfred just talks over him like "oh we're so proud of you master Jason you finished college and you didn't even use your father's extensive resources that could've easily gotten someone in this family a degree aren't we so proud master Bruce that Jason got himself a respectable profession--"

#jason todd #red hood #batfam #i also think it would be funny if thats literally the only thing jason does as a lawyer after that he just goes back to being a vigilante #everyone on the internet is like 'the iconic career of jason todd wayne: came back from the dead got a college degree got the joker- #-sentenced to death (finally) and then immediately fucked off to do whatever the hell it is he does for fun' #any time bruce and jason disagree jasons like 'excuse me which one of us is the college drop out and which of us is a practicing attorney?' #alfred 'you could have been a doctor but you became a furry themed vigilante instead' will never let this go #also btw jason just stole reasources from the league to get thru college. maybe at first talia was like what & then jason was like #'my alternate plan was to either get bruce to kill the joker or kill all three of us in an explosion' and talia is like #'okay. have fun at school sweetie' #BTW AN EDIT: this post is not reflective of my IRL beliefs about the criminal justice system or the death penalty #IRL those are way more complicated than gotham city/the joker/jason make it out to be #saw a few people tagging this post mentioning stuff about that

[rubydubydoo122]

Why is it that Batman’s ok with Antiheroes if it’s Catwoman or Talia Al Ghul, but when it’s the Red Hood, suddenly he’s beating the shit out of him

~Jason Peter Todd at some point

#jason todd #batman #batfam #red hood #bruce wayne #catwoman #selina kyle #talia al ghul #Jason: how are you going to call me the emotional one when your actions towards my moms prove that you think with your member #Jason: they deserve so much better than you #jason: seems pretty sus to me #dc comics #Bruce: It’s not the same #Jason: why? is it because they’re women? #Jason: Talia’s killed people and you had a baby with her #Jason: Selina has stolen from you and you still proposed #Jason: I just wanna know why it’s different. that’s all #Steph: let him speak his truth

[kittykatninja321]

Jason does reach out to people it’s just that the reaching out often involves dramatic theatrical violence. The final confrontation in under the red hood was Jason’s version of reaching out to Bruce. It’s not like Bruce was ever going to be the one to be like “hey let’s sit and talk about your death and why you’re mad at me”. Yes it did involve kidnapping and possible murder suicide plans but hey at least he started the dialogue agshshshs

#Like literally kidnapping Mia was just his way of having a conversation with her and relaying a message in the most insane way possible #brothers in blood was also him reaching out to Dick. Even if his way of reaching out was ‘Dickie let’s kill people together ^_^🫱’ #Jason Todd #dc

[autisticrosewilson]

The idea that Jason has a million safe houses doesn't entirely sit right with me so I like to think that he owns entire buildings and apartments and he lets the street kids and working girls and anyone else who needs a place to stay live there. I imagine a lot of people who work for him because they don't have a choice but don't want to hurt other people end up living in the apartments as supervisors, y'know settling disputes between neighbors, passing on messages to hood, looking after the little ones. Word gets around that Hood helps people get real jobs that help people and the company parties get a LOT bigger. They don't need to pay him because he gets all the money he needs by stealing from the rest of Gotham's criminal element and upperclass <3

Really funny to think that the bats try to break into one of his safe houses and instead of Jason it's a group of feral children with knives and women with stilettos as weapons. Unless it's one of the East End heroes, they know which safe houses have civilians in them

#he pays people's college debt too #insurance? he has it covered #they need a car? just borrow one of his #hes the older brother that lets you do whatever you want when he babysits but would kill for you and all he asks is that you don't tell mom #dc #jason todd #Gotham City

[deadsetobsessions]

He doesn’t know how they got here, but Jason’s thankful for it. It’s not often that he speaks to Cass, when Jason’s passions are words and righteous murder and Cass’s passions are distinctly not that, but when they do speak, they manage to get along. Somehow.

“So, why don’t you kill?” Jason leans back on the couch, his favorite mug filled with Alfred’s hot chocolate.

Cass is curled against the arm of the sofa. She looks at him, head tilted. Jason knows she’s reading him, but he’s not sure what she’s finding. It’s humbling, and intimidating, to know she sees more than what he allows to show.

“I can see,” she says. “That one time… I killed. I saw. Pain. Fear. Desp- des- not wanting to die.”

“Desperation?”

Cass nods. One of her fingers fiddle with the material of the couch. Jason knows she’s allowing him to see the motion. He knows it’s her silent way of showing him trust.

“There is more. To dying. Like… like they see their lives-They think- remembers. Loves. Their life- regret, love, everything. It goes through-” Cass taps her temple.

“Their lives are flashing through their heads?”

“Yes. Good. Bad. Everything. I see.” Quieter, Cass adds “I know. I know them, then. I killed a life that I know. They love. Everyone, have something they love. I kill, I kill that love.”

“That must suck.”

Cass leans back. She nods, neck releasing their tension and eyes less hunted, more accepting.

“Yes. I don’t want to- I don’t want to be the end.” Cass swivels her shoulders towards him, now. “Why… why do you?”

“Me?” Jason… hasn’t thought about it for a while, nor too deeply. But this is Cass. And her honesty deserves an honest reply. “I kill because some people shouldn’t be left alive to hurt and kill others”

“Not about… Bruce?”

Jason took a sip of his hot chocolate. Cass settled more into the couch, her eyes clear and watchful.

“It used to be,” he admitted. “About him, I mean. It used to be about vengeance. But then I came back to Crime Alley, and then I saw the kids getting hurt instead of being protected. They’re innocent. And then, it wasn’t about Bruce anymore. Killing is just the means to an end now, for me.”

“Do you- not regret?” She makes a gesture at his leg, where on a normal day, his holsters would be.

“I try to make sure I don’t kill people I’d regret, no. Like, you know how sometimes you guys arrest muggers?”

Cass nodded.

“Sometimes,” Jason said, remembering the days of digging through trash for food and the lingering hunger that rumbled through his younger self’s stomach. “They mug people because they’re desperate. I don’t kill those guys. But people deal to kids? Who hurt sex workers? Rapists? They’re doing irreparable harm, with full knowledge of their actions. For profit, mostly. If they’re willing to ruin lives, then they should be ready for their own to be ruined. It’s justice, for people like me.”

Cass studied him. “Justice…?”

“The only kind us Alley kids could ever appreciate. Arresting an abuser, a threat, and having that stick is for the privileged. Having that threat removed completely is relieving.”

“Can’t trust the world to be fair. But death, is fair.”

“Yeah. I think if I saw as much as you do, it’d be harder to do. But I think I’d still kill, because one person’s suffering after a life of being evil is worth the safety of so many others. To know… well, I guess I’m glad I don’t know what that’s like.”

“I see.”

“I know you do,” Jason grins at her. “But not killing is an act of courage too. Even if B makes it seem like it should come instinctually.”

“Yes. He does not connect, with Damian. Does not understand, fully, how hard. To unlearn.”

“Yeah.”

They sit in silence for a while after that, listening to the sounds of their family clambering around in other rooms.

“Hey, Cass?”

Cass turned back to him.

“I would kill David Cain for you.”

He would. It makes the Pit seethe when he thinks about how much David Cain and Lady Shiva hurt Cass for her to get this insanely good at reading people. He hopes she sees the pure honesty and sincerity he feels at that declaration

Cass puts a hand on his shoulder and squeezed once. Twice.

“Okay. Thank you.”

“No objections?”

“… would not feel too bad.”

Jason snorted.

“Yeah. You and me both.”

He doesn’t know how they got here, but he’s thankful for it anyways, because he understands his sister just that much more now.

#cassandra cain #black bat #Jason Todd #red hood #they have different philosophies #but theyre family your honor #cass would stop jay from murdering people if she sees him #he’d let her bc he’s not gonna win that fight #he’d also go back and kill whoever later #David Cain #being a horrible parent I hate this guy #dc #Cassandra Cain seeing someone’s emotions as they die #she doesn’t want to be a weapon #Batman

[soulless-bex]

was listening to music while driving, as one does, when my brain, the silly little thing goes:

wouldn’t it be funny if dick grayson killed the joker (who stays dead because he deserves to be) for killing jason and goes through a whole breakdown over whether or not jason would approve of what he did, ultimately deciding that no, jason the happy robin would not be happy with his big brother, no matter how strained their relationship may have been before his death, killing a man out of revenge

cue jason as red hood, pre identify reveal, asking nightwing about what happened to the joker (because of course bruce had it covered up, because in his twisted little mind, a vigilante permanently taking out the mass murderer who is singlehandedly the number one cause of death in gotham would break the gothamites’ trust in them). nightwing admits, because since the joker is dead jason doesn’t have a reason to push the dramatics as much, he’s just fucking with the bats and keeping crime alley safe, and jason has his turn at a breakdown because he just found out someone actually avenged him

emotional reunion. everyone is happy. the end.

#yes it was If I Killed Someone For You by alec benjamin that brought this on #yes i almost made myself cry while i was DRIVING #yes i know it’s unsafe. no my brain doesn’t know that. obviously. #dc fanfiction #dc fanfic prompt #nightwing #dick grayson #jason todd #red hood #the joker dies. fuck him. #i should write that. try my hand at a little angst #but for now it will exist as this silly little prompt and make people suffer on tumblr #both from the story and from the fact that it doesn’t (as far as im aware) exist in fic format #fanfic prompt #music makes my brain go brrr #overactive imagination #its a problem at this point #but lets ignore that

[oifaaa]

Like obviously there's a ton of reasons why jason just didnt kill joker in utrh or in any subsequent comics after, first and foremost being that he's dc's little cash cow, but I always did like the in universe explanation being that Jason himself doesn't want the joker to die

Not bc the joker is important to Jason in anyway shape or form quite the opposite in fact, joker dying wouldn't benefit Jason bc the joker doesnt matter to him outside of being a living constant reminder of Bruce's failure that can be used to hurt both himself and bruce, if jokers dead then the healing process can start and Jason doesn't want that he wants to be angry and hurt

So Jason doesn't go kill Joker to get revenge bc he already got his revenge when he beat Joker with a crowbar in utrh and killing the Joker himself wouldn't bring him any more catharsis since he doesn't really care about the clown outside of using him as a prop in his ongoing feud with Bruce

#dc #jason todd #joker #bruce wayne #once again and always the joker as an individual should not matter to jason #and jason definitely shouldn't currently be a side character in a joker comic #ignore me tho #it just annoys me #that like obviously jokers not gonna die anytime soon #so when you refocus jasons anger onto joker #instead of Bruce #and have jason have all this energy into killing a character that for outside reasons is unkillable #you make jason look stupider less skilled and trap him into a never ending cycle #just let him be free #joker has enough people who wants him dead #i need jason to never be near joker again #for my own health

[snakeredbirdbatkatana]

He loves Jason on most days he's pretty confident that's it mutal.

Brothers and all that shit clearly something happened either Bruce being a bitch or whatever else can make him insecure. That still doesn't give Jason the right to hold a gun to his head and be a fucking prick.

"What are you gonna do now Tim-Tam still so trusting of your big brother."

Self Deprecating is not a good look on Jason Todd.

Now normally this is where Tim takes a step back softens his tone gives the I love you Jay, I know you wouldn't hurt me, we are past this.

Hey he has this down to a science.

Yet he doesn't feel like it appealing to his big brother by rolling over.

Instead he steps forward the gun cold against his forehead he already sees that Jay is unbalanced concern overtaking the anger that seems to linger in the Red Hood.

"I don't have to trust you," he knows that he is making Jason uncomfortable that he threw the entire situation into something different.

He grabs the gun taking his time disarming it.

"I could call Dick, he might kill you if I ask nicely enough or, I could yell for my super who has been listening since I let my heart race I don't have to fear you Jason."

Pushing him to the end of the roof which normally couldn't happen perks of being built like a fridge.

"I don't actually have to deal with you if I don't want to and putting you down would be so easy. Hold another gun to my head and it will be the last thing you do. I would love to see Outlaws versus Young Justice who do u think would win?"

He can't help the laughter as he walks away he does love his brother but he won't be a punching bag to a pissed off teenager who never got to read the end of Hamlet.

#tim drake #batfamily #jason todd #Tim has scary dog privilege Dick will kill for his baby brother and his entire team is ready to fight god in a dennys parking lot #Jason is scared #core four vs Outlaws who wins hint hint it ain't Jason #kon is a protective boyfriend #Bart is a protective bestie #Cassie doesn't let people touch her boys #RIP Jason sucks to suck #connor kent #bart allen #cassie sandsmark #dick grayson #batfam

[hood-ex]

I have seen you talking about Dick & Dami's relationship and Dick & Tim as well,but what are your takes on Dick and Jason actually?

Like how you wish their relationship should be portrayed today and where are them missing when it comes to making those two acting like siblings?

Do you think in the past their dynamic was better?

How Dick views Jason and how Jason views Dick?

This is difficult to answer because there are like 8 different stages to Dick and Jason's relationship with various dynamics. They also view each other a bit differently depending on which stage we're talking about.

The way I would like their relationship to be portrayed today isn’t necessarily possible thanks to Jason’s integration into the family and acceptance of the no killing moral code. For me, their ideal dynamic is portrayed in Outsiders #44-46. And I know people are gonna find that regressive as hell but, tbh, that dynamic is far more interesting than the kinda awkward thing they have going on now.

Although, I don't mind that they acknowledge their brotherhood in a serious manner now. Like before they'd kinda be like, "Eh... I mean... we were adopted from the same guy but... brothers? Eh..." And now they're more firmly in the, "We're brothers," camp. So that development is interesting.

Character progression wise, it wouldn't feel right for for them to be super close in the way that, say, Dick and Tim are (unless we saw a lot of trust and relationship building between them), but at the same time, there is part of me that kind of wants them to have that older sibling bond (except Jason is closer in age to Tim than he is to Dick sooo actually let's just leave older sibling things to Dick and Cass... not that Cass is much older than Jason though so LOL this is why Dick has to lone the oldest sibling thing by himself... which is funny because Dick is technically no longer the oldest sibling, he's a baby brother now... except Dick and Melinda's relationship really hasn't progressed much sooo you could say they share blood but don't consider each other family yet, in which case, Dick is still the oldest... I mean, regardless, Dick is the oldest sibling of the Waynes... god why did they have to make all of this so difficult 😫).

#jason's like blerghhh dad always loved you best. but also hey we should work together bc you're a killer like me #and then jason's also like hey dick you were the most amazing thing i've ever seen and idk you're cool but i won't say that to you #and then he's also like hey dick i've got girl advice for you and i also need your opinion on my hair. oh now bane is trying to kill us #and then he's also like oh you got amnesia? i don't give a fuck about you and maybe i'll kill you #and he's also like oh you trust me? okay well... we're brothers and i'm gonna save you #and then dick's like oh hey kid call me if you need me. oh you died? i am literally devastated i'm so sorry #and he's also like wow you're very good at what you do but i don't trust you... okay but i trust the intel you're giving me sooo.... #and then he's like why the fuck are you dressing like me and killing people?? quit doing stupid shit!! #and then he's like jason what the fuck are you doing--let me help you!! #and then he's like kinda indifferent to jason but jason is still Ugh this family is stupid why am i here #and then dick's like ofc i'm gonna come help you if you need me but also this is awkward af and things are weird between us so bye #except not bye because i'm staying here to help you and your team #and then dick's like i'm being controlled by joker so i'm gonna kill yoooou #and then he's like eh i trust you and i'm gonna help you bc we're brothers but you literally wrecked bruce's car you numbskull #and then he's like you're doing dumb shit and i have to take you down but oh thanks for not letting the train kill me #and then they're both like meh we're doing shit w the batfam even though neither of us should be here rn #and yeah that's how it goes. that's. literally it. writers cannot keep their relationship consistent in the long term #Dick Grayson #Jason Todd #relationship analysis #anon

[mikakuna]

the song "i love you so" by the walters but with jason and bruce

bruce, who can't let go of his little boy and refuses to believe his child would ever become a murderer: i love you so

jason, who can't stand the way his dad keeps letting him down and hurting him and clinging onto a version of him that doesn't exist anymore: please let me go

jason, who keeps coming back to bruce no matter how much he hurts him because he thinks his dad is still in there: i love you so

bruce, who knows he isn't the father anymore that jason remembers and wants back, and can't be: please let me go

#thinking about their relationship causes me real psychological damage #just two battered people wanting back the old versions of each other #they both want something they can't have and it kills them #bruce won't let jason heal and jason #wont stop going back to bruce #:((((( #jason todd #red hood #batman #bruce wayne #dc #jason and bruce #jason todd and bruce wayne

[batcavescolony]

Damian: *grows to 5'7"(170.18 cm)*

Tim: *5'6"(167.64 cm)* I HATE THIS FAMILY!

Stephanie: *5'6.4"(168.66 cm)* hey, tall people and Cass are talking

Cass: *5'5"(165.1 cm)* *pats Tim's head* hush

#these are my height hc their vaguely canon. i think steph is barley a inch taller than tim and never lets him forget it because id be funny #cass gets tall people privilege because she can beat tall people to the ground. she has a no kill rule not no harm she will break your legs #comics #dc comics #tim drake #batman #red robin #bruce wayne #dick grayson #jason todd #red hood #damian wayne #nightwing #batfam #batfamily #ive done Dick being shorter than Jason ans hating it and now we have Damian and Steph being taller than Tim and him hating it #im 5"11' and i am insufferable about it like jk. my dad is the shortest in our family and we do make fun of him for it #all in love ❤ #stephanie brown #spoiler #batgirl #black bat #orphan #robin #cassandra cain #comics have inconsistent drawn heights so like *hand wavey* this is my canon #timmy is short lol (affectionately) #the batman #gotham #gotham city

[enobariasteeth]

Jason Todd is my baby girl, he’s never done anything wrong ever

#his biggest crime is being a massive nerd #also decapitating a bunch of people and putting their heads in a bag but #eh #the only thing I can’t forgive is the Tim thing #Tim really caught a stray for no reason #tim can’t catch a fucking break man #let him rest lmao #‘he had a reason!! it’s cause Tim replaced him’ #okay but it wasn’t a GOOD reason #Tim was trying his fucking best to get batman to not kill himself #I will forgive anyone voiced by Jensen ackles #Jason’s so baby girl!! he was just feeling silly!! #he gets to do a little crime. as a treat. #he deserves it after what he’s been through don’t you think? #if you get beat/blown up to death and then ressurected #you’re allowed to commit some crimes #batman #jason todd #red hood #dcu #dc #dc universe #batfam

[kittykatninja321]

controversially I do think that the under the red hood comic ending is a solid answer to “how do you get Batman to kill someone without breaking him as a character”

#That is if you think Jason died at the end of utrh which I sorta do #they were arguing about this exact thing on Twitter the other day and someone brought up the utrh movie ending. I was like nah. Bring up th #Other one. Bruce was in a situation where he was trying to save two people who were determined to either die or kill the other person #(or kill everyone in the room maybe) and by trying to do the typical Batman thing and choose neither/both of them. They took the opportunit #to choose for him. Joker takes the opportunity to set off the explosives sealing Jason’s fate and in a new favorite interpretation of mine: #Jason chooses not to dodge the batarang and lets Bruce deal him a fatal blow. Moral of the story: not everyone can be saved #Jason Todd #Batman #under the red hood #dc #Bruce Wayne

[benbamboozled]

Ngl…sometimes I miss how completely unhinged pre-Battle for the Cowl Jason Todd could be.

This is a telegram(???) that Jason sent to Dick after he spent multiple issues of Nightwing running around New York City murdering people dressed in his own(???) Nightwing suit and then turned into a tentacle monster and ate some guys. (Then he barfed the guys up and kept fighting them.)

Absolutely baffling. I love it. It’s art. It doesn’t make any sense in context, either. I miss this energy.

Source is Nightwing #122

#Jason Todd #Dick Grayson #Nightwing #comic panels #i am obsessed. #this was the Jason Todd I cut my teeth on. #so I will always love him #even though the writing for him was often baffling and bad. #BUT IT MAKES ME LAUGH because it’s so WEIRD. #just…what would be Jason’s thought process behind any of this??? #it’s like those bonding with baby memes. #bonding with brother #NO: dressing up as him and killing people. #Jason: wellll that was a bust. guess I’ll send Dickie a telegram to let him know I’m okay. that’s normal. #completely unhinged #not a hinge to be seen. #a sliding door of sanity. #(I miss it.)

[undertheredhood]

whoever was the one who decided that jason todd was a sex-crazed loser, count your mf days.

#batman #dc comics #dcu #dc universe #jason todd #red hood #jason was never the angry robin #let me tell you something: that man would rather dig himself out of his grave again than be that type of person #those types of people are the exact people he hates the most #yk outside of the people he kills