you know what? for everyone out there enjoying the splatfest, i love you, keep doing you
for everyone hating on team shiver and telling them to kys, just know that I am Out There, and I am now gunning for you. Every shiver hate post only makes me stronger. i started this splatfest with good intentions but now i hate you personally.
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May I ask about your beef with T.S. Elliott? I don't know much about him, but I'm curious as to your opinions on him.
Um well I don't like Eliot for many reasons (I wrote a whole blog post on this for school haha) so I'll try to make it quick but it really breaks down to three subjects for me
1. His personal life
2. His actual body of work
3. His reception and legacy
In terms of personal life, he of course really sucked, like (this is from memory so there may be mistakes) he institutionalized his wife and didn't visit her for a decade (and she died in the institution), he also was publically antisemitic, and very, very good friends (like besties) with Ezra Pound, the poet whose most famous poem is his 800 page lament on the fall of Mussolini and spent all of wwii betraying his country and making + promoting axis propaganda, so that's just like a whole can of worms there to unpack.
With his like actual work stuff, this is probably where I give him the most leeway bc he has a few lines that genuinely go really fucking hard. Like there are some lines where I 100% understand why he is a behemoth in the world of poetry. Like "this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper" and "do I dare disturb the universe? In a minute there is time for decision and revisions which a minute can reverse" and "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" all go so hard. They do. This is true. But the rest of his work is just really nonsensical to me (and I've read his most famous pieces many times) and requires heavy academic investment to try and understand. I'm talking like intense knowledge of classical and medieval works, at least 3 languages besides English, etc.
Like there's more deciphering involved than actual poetry (I think in the book for the Waste Land there literally is more end notes than poem. And that poem is Long). And like this feeds into the third point I have which is the reception of his stuff and how I hate that T S Eliot is put up as like "total genius, greatest of all time, PINNACLE of poetry" by some people. Because I very think it starts falling into an elitist attitude of "getting" Eliot and seeing like deciphering these pieces as some sort of accomplishment on its own in a way that doesn't feel genuine to me.
Like there's just something off there about the vibes to me. That for some people they care more abt "understanding" Eliot then engaging w the themes of the poems themselves and then just brag about reading Eliot a lot (and likely Pound too and much of the imagist movement) in a way that again I just don't like.
And I think doing this and lifting Eliot up so high when his poetry is in the style it is actually hurt poetry a bit as an art form because like. It is what poetry haters accuse poetry of being like it's inaccessible, complicated, hard to read, and people get snobby about it. And I think people see that and get the wrong idea or confirm wrong ideas they had about poetry as a whole from his work which breaks me heart.
TLDR Eliot has a couple lines I think are absolute fire, but I dislike most of work. I don't like the imprint him and his reputation have had in regard to poetry, and I think he was a horrible human being.
& Every once and a while I'll read some of his more popular poems to check that they're still bad and pay a visit to the one line I like hidden within 60 bad ones
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WHY CAN'T TUMBLR HAVE A SEARCH BUTTON WITHIN YOUR LIKED POSTS?! Excuse me that I don't wanna search the interdimensional ends of a tag to find one post that really resonated with me with 5 likes or that one fic that just triggers my happy hormones because it's buried under 942 other liked posts or that one aesthetic no one reps anymore because 😭😭
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lrb reading the tags of that post is pretty funny i appreciate the lemon from bullet train mentions. it does make me pretty upset though that the majority of the tags are like EWWWWW A KIDS SHOW??? YOU PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTING AND WEIRD EWWWWWWW I WISH I WAS ME 5 MINUTES AGO WHEN I HADN'T LEARNT ABOUT THIS" like Girl we are on Tumblr
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