#like i say this every time but they do technically lose in the goku black saga- or at least it's a draw

[sweetescapeartist]

It seems more likely that the reason people aren't talking about krillin's power up is that it's technically non-canon

I doubt that's the reason.

Krillin's power-up is canon to the DBS anime continuity.

But, many still don't fully realize that there is a DBS anime continuity & a DBS manga continuity.

{small "rant" & a sorta long response incoming}

The fact that there are two DBS continuities can be confusing enough. But, many popular DB YouTubers & others rarely make a distinction between anime & manga continuities. This has greatly increased the confusion.

Like how ppl in the fandom have been saying that this new Black Freeza wants to get revenge on what Toppo did to him during the ToP... Freeza never had beef with Toppo in the manga continuity. That conflict was only in the anime continuity & many ppl are conflating the two.

So, with that necessary understanding of information, here's why Krillin's power-up is indeed canon.

Is Non-Self State Krillin in the DBS manga continuity? No. Anime only.

Is Super Saiyan Rage in the DBS manga continuity? No. Anime only.

Is the shirtless Super Full Power Jiren in the DBS manga continuity? No. Anime only.

Is Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken in the DBS manga continuity? No. Anime only. (The manga says that a power Goku uses similar, but it us not the Kaio-Ken + the aura is all blue)

Was Super Saiyan Blue Evolution achieved by Vegeta's pride in others in the DBS manga continuity? No. Anime only.

Was Ultra Instinct triggered by Goku's will to survive the Spirit Bomb in the DBS manga continuity? No. Anime only.

Was Kefla defeated by UI Omen Goku in the DBS manga continuity? No.

All of these examples are only in the DBS anime continuity. Many who don't realize the distinct difference in continuity call Krillin's new power "non-canon."

The DBS manga continuity made Krillin get weaker & treated him disrespectfully. Meanwhile, the DBS anime continuity treated Krillin in a far more respectful manner. Also, the anime continuity made Krillin get stronger in a believable way.

And in Super Hero (which takes place in the anime continuity) Krillin displayed how strong he's gotten. Krillin even put in more work than Goten & Trunks combined, more than 18, and Krillin was even more useful than Gamma 1 in some regards. Krillin's involvement greatly assisted in their victory.

But, many in the fandom are quick to dismiss & disregard anything Krillin related. Despite these power-ups not being in the DBS manga continuity, how often do fans dispute if Super Saiyan Rage, Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken, and other anime only transformations are "non-canon"? Instead, fans readily accept every Saiyan transformation & power-up regardless the continuity. So, why don't ppl believe Krillin's power-up is canon? Because the fandom has been conditioned to promote lies & believe lies. They innacuately think of Krillin as a coward & a joke despite the series ALWAYS showing the opposite. Nearly every fighter is used for comedy relief in DB, but they are also extremely skilled fighters.

Also, since ppl have constantly lied about Krillin for so many yrs, many YouTubers and others in the DB community believe that speaking good about him or making in-depth video essays about his power-up in DBS won't result in much revenue nor clicks. So these kinds of videos do not get made by them. These people know that there is more profit in making fun of Krillin despite a character like Vegeta losing more than literally anyone else in the series. And they will give praise & love to a comic relief character like Mr. Satan, but at the same time dis & hate on Krillin for being a "comic relief character." As if only Krillin is a comic relief character when Goku, Gohan, Beerus, & even Vegeta are used for comic relief too.

One thing that bastard Takao Koyama succeded in was warping the perception of Krillin's character to make simple-minded DB fans actually believe that Krillin is weak, cowardly, and only a joke character. Toriyama NEVER wrote Krillin in such a hateful way.

Koyama's odd obsessive hatred for Krillin has been reflected by many in the fandom who obsessively hate Krillin.

All it would take is for 20 or so popular DB "influencers" to consistently make positive content about Krillin for a year and there would be a big change in the fan perception. But, most of these influencers are too afraid to do so because they themselves like following the crowd and making easy money. They'd rather make underhanded jokes about Krillin instead of making multiple videos about Krillin. Like how Krillin is a human who uses his skill and cleverness to fight evil beings with godly levels of power.

Or how Krillin's selfless compassion towards 16, 17, & 18 is why 17 joined the ToP which resulted in the multiverse being saved.

Or how Goku almost eliminated Jiren by using the same strategy that Krillin used on him when they were sparring.

Or how Krillin & 18's teamwork is why Goku teamed-up with Freeza & 17 to eliminate Jiren.

Or how Krillin is inspired of both Tang Sanzang AND Sun Wukong; a short, bald, & handsome warrior monk who fights evil beings.

Majority in the fandom refuse talk about Krillin unless they think there is some sort of revenue to be made or attention to gain. And they often make said revenue/gain attention by insulting Krillin in order to prop up another character that is usually a Saiyan. Most of this fandom just refuses to speak about anything good that happens to Krillin. They don't want Krillin positivity, they only want to hear negative things about Krillin & they will create lies to satiate their need for said negativity.

So... Is Krillin's power-up in DBS non-canon or canon? KRILLIN'S POWER-UP IS INDEED CANON.

Majority of this fandom just refuse to acknowledge Krillin's power-up as canon due to the promotion of ignorance + the constant spreading of misinformation in the DB community.

#Krillin #Kuririn #DB fandom #canon vs non-canon #anon #ask #DB #DBZ #DBS #DBS: Super Hero #Dragon Ball #Dragon Ball Z #Dragon Ball Super #Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero #Non-Self State #Selflessness State #No Ego Zone #sorry it took so long to reply #life's been busy & a bit crazy

[tenshindon]

i like the goku black saga only if i let myself believe it’s an allegory that expresses you can’t always win and nothing you can do can impede the inevitability of the end

#snap chats #it's a stretch but shush #i dont remember if dragon ball's done a plot like that before- probably not if i remember right #if i was big brained enough i could probably make an actual argument #it's also hard to make this argument since f. trunks' timeline Doesn't end naturally- it ends because zamasu decides it must end #and then eventually zeno decides it must end #but subtracting the inevitability of the end??? it could be a nice allegory for accepting losses #like i say this every time but they do technically lose in the goku black saga- or at least it's a draw #because zamasu did get his wish: he created a universe where only one god could thrive #of course he was defeated but at the cost of f. trunks and mai losing their timeline #idk i think about the goku black saga a lot #there's just so much potential and so much you could do with it #so much time they had and they didn't use it all that well #i think i just want everlasting consequences in DB that'd be cool then it'd feel like conflicts actually matter #dont pay attention to me i like to try to make dragon ball have more meaning than it does #i just had a long convo with my brother talking about DB and how it executes plots and how it deals with Consistency #im gonna go write forreal now i know what i wanna write ok BYEBYE

[entamewitchlulu]

Homura’s Flash Reviews [February 2019]

This will be my first review post for 2019!!  I’m watching winter anime currently which I won’t be reviewing til the season is over, but for those who are interested, here’s what I’m watching for winter!

The Price of Smiles

Ace Attorney

Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka

The Promised Neverland

Mysteria Friends

I’m also gonna be adding a few other things to these Flash Reviews and also review the movies I’ve seen during the month, just cause I rly like having opinions lol.  So without further ado, here are the anime, shows, and movies that I saw this February and January!

Castlevania

Not technically an anime in anything other than style, Castlevania is the animated adaptation of the third Castlevania game, following the adventures of Trevor Belmont, the last of his vampire hunting legacy, Sypha, a nomadic magician, and Alucard Tepes, the son of Dracula and his human wife who was killed by the church, and their struggles to take down Dracula before he wipes out all of humanity.

I don’t know much about Castlevania the games, as they really aren’t my genre, but this adaptation was incredible!!  Proof that video game adaptations can and should strive for greater heights!  The dialogue was funny and witty, the characters were interesting and even the villains were endearing, and there was this incredibly crafted atmosphere of both sadness and hope.  Not to mention, the animation was top notch.  Plus, I have to give it credit for finally letting characters say “fuck” realistically.

overall: 9/10

Futari wa Pretty Cure

The very first, original start of the popular magical girl franchise, Pretty Cure chronicles the tale of Nagisa and Honoka, two very different girls who are brought together when they are chosen to become Pretty Cure, the legendary warriors who will defend light from the darkness!  Together with their mascot friends Mepple and Mipple, and juggling their real lives along with their supernatural battles, Cure Black and Cure White will do whatever it takes to protect the world from evil!

I’ve intended to watch Pretty Cure for literally years now, and no one could agree with where I should start, so I decided to just do what I usually do and watch from the beginning.  I’ve only seen the first season of Pretty Cure and not the Max Heart sequel yet.  Overall, it was about what I expected!  I’m a bit of a sucker for the traditional 2000s magical girl genre, with its repetitive formulas, catchphrases, poses, and the usual five episode plots that every single one of them has.  The designs were super cute and I love how Black and White look so distinct and yet are still clearly a team.  Pollun especially is super adorable!!

Definitely I can see why Pretty Cure became such of a behemoth in the magical girl genre today; it has staying power.  This season was definitely full of a lot of generic magical girl filler, and I will be honest that I started to lose steam for it towards the end, plus the villains were not at all endearing or interesting (like, Poisonny and Regine are both very pretty, and Kiriya was okay, but other than that, no one stands out), but it was still a great and adorable experience that I’m glad I experienced.  I’m not sure when I’ll get to the next series, but I’m sure it won’t be long!

overall: 7/10

Incredibles 2

I took my sweet time going to see this sequel, but here we are.  In the anticipated sequel to the original Incredibles, the family faces new challenges as Elastigirl is scouted by a CEO to help make superheroes legal again, while Mr. Incredible has to learn the challenges of taking care of the family by himself.

 I guess overall it was a good movie and well made for its intended audience.  The animation was pretty good and I usually like their cartoony anatomy designs which are more concerned with a comic-book-esque aesthetic rather than proper anatomy and perfect realism.  Definitely the quality has soared since the first Incredibles.  For me personally though...as much as it was entertaining, in hindsight I don’t think it was really made for me.  There were a lot of plot threads that didn’t seem to get resolved or even addressed.  Bob never fully confronts his jealousy for Helen’s new job, and is never quite confronted about the fact that he hid Jack Jack’s powers from Helen either.  The new superheroes were...honestly not my favorite designs in the world outside of Void, and I felt like their only purpose was to become fight fodder for the final battle, which could have been done with almost any other means.  For as long as the movie was, it felt like a lot of the threads were simply not deeply solved, and only shallowly addressed.  As this is a movie for kids, though, I can look past that; this wasn’t the story for a hugely deep look at things.  It did affect my personal enjoyment, though, but it was still a greatly fun movie to watch.

overall: 7/10

Dragon Ball Super: Broly

Finally coming for the canon after a couple of decades, DBS Broly brings the legendary super Saiyan Broly into the main cast.  When the young Broly is sent away from Planet Vegeta for being too overwhelmingly powerful, he and his father are stranded on a barren planet for forty years, until they are found by some of Frieza’s soldiers and brought into the Frieza Force.  Frieza immediately pits the super powerful Broly up against our heroes Goku and Vegeta, who must pull out every trick in the book in order to stop him from destroying the planet in his growing rage.

I never ever thought I would say this about anything relating to Broly, but GODDAMN that might have been the best Dragon Ball media in years.  Let’s get this part straight: I’ve disliked Broly since he first appeared in the DB movies.  He was boring, had a ridiculous backstory, and was just there to be a Gary Stu to really push Goku and Vegeta to their limits.  But this movie??? This movie singlehandedly shot Broly to my top ten characters in Dragon Ball.  He is endearing, gentle, a recovering abuse victim with a rage he cannot control, and his strength is more dangerous to himself than to those around him.  In TFS’ review of the movie, they made a great point: the real stakes of his movie aren’t whether Broly is going to destroy the planet; they’re whether Broly himself is going to be okay.  I’m focusing a lot on Broly, but Goku and Vegeta are in top form in his movie as well.  It’s great getting to see Vegeta have a massive fight where he isn’t immediately jobbed for Goku’s sake, and Goku himself is at the top of his game as the fun-loving, battle-crazed but still sympathetic hero that he should always be written as.  Not to mention our new additions to the main cast in Cheelai and Lemo, two of Frieza’s soldiers who found and ended up befriending Broly, who are equally endearing and fun especially in their dynamics with Broly himself.  

All in all, this was a fucking excellent movie, and the first DB media that I can imagine wanting to rewatch!

overall: 10/10

Fireworks

When Nazuna is about to move away, she asks Norimichi to come with her to the fireworks, though she plans instead to run away.  When this doesn’t work according to plan, Norimichi finds that a strangle marble belonging to Nazuna has the power to turn back the clock, giving them a second chance to be together.  However, with each reset, they move further and further away from reality -- can they return to a world where they’re able to spend at least one day with each other?

This is pretty much, in a nutshell, everything I love about anime movies.  It’s beautiful, fluid, full of amazing music, and the emotions hit so close to home.  While the story itself doesn’t explain much, it really doesn’t have to -- the surrealism of the surrounding world sells it more than any exposition would, proving you don’t need to slow down your story to explain something as long as you can make people feel something for it.  Despite having so little to know about both Norimichi and Nazuna, I was still more than sold by their romance. And once again, the surrealism of the animation and the story are something that only anime can pull off.  You just can’t do stories like this live action.

The only thing that really dragged this story down were some of the CGI bits, which I found unnecessary and weird against the otherwise gorgeous backgrounds, but I guess this is where animation is going lately so I might have to get used to it.

overall: 8/10

#castlevania #futari wa pretty cure #incredibles 2 #dragon ball super broly #fireworks #homura reviews #homura's flash reviews

[duhragonball]

[FIC] The Third Wheel (1/1)

Universe 6 Disclaimer: This story features characters from Dragon Ball Super, which is a trademark of Bird Studio/Shueisha and Toei Animation.   This is an unauthorized work, and no profit is being made on this work by me. This story is copyright of me. Download if you like, but please don’t archive it without my permission. Don’t be shy.

Universe 6 Continuity Note: This story is set a couple of weeks after the events of Dragon Ball Super Epiosde #131. 

[8 April, Age 780.    Parnassan III, Universe 6]

"As I was saying, it's a great pity that I wasn't able to demonstrate my ability at the tournament."

"Uh-huh," said Cabba.  

The two of them ate a rather simple meal in a clearing just outside a dense rainforest.    Cabba was a Saiyan, a humanoid life form possessed of amazing strength.  His diminutive size and lean physique might have suggested otherwise, but in truth he was one of the strongest Saiyans on his homeworld of Sadala.   Sitting across from him at the aluminum folding table they had set up was Dr. Rota.   He was even smaller than Cabba, with bright red skin and pointed ears.    The spectacles which rested upon his long snout look like a scholar, but the pair of long, tusks jutting out of his mouth implied a more savage nature.   His simple black robe only added to the enigma of his appearance.  

An outside observer might have thought these two beings had little in common, but the truth was that they had shared a very unique experience recently.  Weeks ago, the almighty overseer of the multiverse, the Grand Zeno, held a Tournament of Power.   Eight universes were commanded to bring a team of their greatest mortal warriors to the competition.  Cabba and Rota were teammates in this tournament, representing their native universe, the sixth of twelve.  

The outcome of the tournament was somewhat unsatisfying for the team.   Per the tournament rules, Grand Zeno erased all of Universe 6 when all of their fighters were eliminated from the contest.  However, the winning team received a wish granted by the all-powerful Super Dragon Balls, and presumably the wish was used to restore the erased universes.    Cabba, Rota, and their companions all found themselves back in their own universe, unsure of whom they had to thank.  

Cabba believed that the Seventh Universe had won the tournament.   The Saiyans of Universe 7 were much stronger than those of Universe 6, and one of them, Vegeta, had taught Cabba how to transform himself into a Super Saiyan.   Cabba had come to admire Vegeta as a mentor-figure, and while Vegeta seemed indifferent to this hero-worship, he wasn't entirely without sentiment.   During the tournament, he confided to Cabba that his goal was to win the Tournament of Power and use the wish to restore the losing universes.   Cabba couldn't be certain that Vegeta had been the one to make the wish, but it certainly seemed like he had gotten his way.  

Still, despite their miraculous reprieve, Universe 6 had still lost the game.   The team had fought hard, but they simply lacked the power to cope with their opponents.  Dr. Rota was especially frustrated, since he was eliminated from the tournament by Vegeta before he had gotten a chance to show off his true abilities.    This was what had brought the doctor to Parnassan III.

"After we were brought back from erasure, your fellow Saiyans expressed a desire to continue training," Rota went on.    "This got me to thinking.    Perhaps the gods will hold other tournaments in the future."

"Maybe," Cabba said.   His dark eyes kept darting around, as if he were waiting for something to happen.   Rota paid no attention.    So great was Rota's love for his own voice that he cared little if anyone else heard him.  

"Naturally, you three would want to catch up to your Universe 7 counterparts," Rota said.    "That odd fellow, Son Goku, and Vegeta.    I have a score to settle with him.    Well, I don't mean to make it sound like a grudge.   More of a friendly rivalry, if you will.    Perhaps not exactly friendly.   I'd like to humiliate him, if at all possible."

"Yeah," Cabba said.  

"So I contacted the Sadala Defense Force to look you up, and they told me you were here.   I must say, this is an ideal training spot you've chosen.   No sapient life forms, plenty of open space, a wide variety of environments and climates to challenge both mind and body.   Nothing but myself and three Super Saiyans.    A fine place to hone my skills."

"Uh-huh," Cabba said.  

By now, even Rota was running out of things to say, and he had begun to notice Cabba wasn't being very responsive.   This, the doctor assumed, would have been the part where the Saiyan cheerfully invited him to spar for a while.   At the very least, Rota expected Cabba to ask about his power, since no one had gotten to witness it at the tournament.   Confused, Rota said nothing for a moment, and waited for Cabba to take some sort of initiative.    

The silence was broken only by the sharp cry of a bird flying overhead.    

"I'm, uh, a bit surprised to find you here with your starship," Rota said, pointing back at the pair of spacecraft parked twenty meters away.   "I had located your ship from orbit, and touched down next to it, but I thought I would have to search high and low for you, Cabba.   One would think you'd be anxious to take advantage of the training opportunity.   To say nothing off the company of the females--"

"You saw them?!" Cabba said with a gasp.   Suddenly, Rota now had his undivided attention.  

"No, not since the tournament," Rota said.   "I thought they'd be here with you.   Are you all right, Cabba?"

He leaned back in his seat and groaned.    "Doctor, I haven't been all right since the tournament was announced."

*******

[5 April, Age 780.   Parnassan III, Universe 6]

The trip to the Parnassan system had been uneventful enough.   As eager as Caulifla had been to train, the tournament had left her as exhausted as everyone else who had participated, and so they used the spaceflight to rest.    Once they disembarked, however...

"High time we got started!" Caulifla said as she punched her left hand with her right fist. 

She was a wild woman, even by Saiyan standards.  Caulifla’s thick, black hair floated up from her scalp like dark flames.   She was constantly moving, even if it was just to rock back and forth on her heels.   She dressed very simply, eschewing the typical Saiyan fashions for a pink bandeau and purple sharovary pants. 

"We should unpack our supplies first," Cabba said.    "The sun will be setting soon, and--"

"What difference does that make?!" Caulifla snapped.   "You and your precious Sadala Defense Force and their standard procedure.   They don't apply out here!"

Cabba struggled not to roll his eyes.   Caulifla was an outlaw on their home planet.   She was also the strongest Saiyan in Universe 6 before Cabba learned the Super Saiyan form.   When the Tournament of Power was announced, Cabba was only given forty hours to assemble a team.    Caulifla probably wouldn't have been his first choice.   Though her heart was in the right place--her gang only stole from the rich to feed the poor--she was still stubborn and obnoxious.   It had been a pleasure to show off his Super Saiyan power to her, if only to humble her for a moment.   Of course, once he taught her to transform herself, whatever strength advantage he held quickly evaporated.  

"The regulations may not be enforced here," Cabba tried to explain, "but it's still a good idea.    There's no point fumbling around in the dark when we--"

"Idiot!" Caulifla shouted.  "We've got the whole planet to ourselves!  And we're Super Saiyans now.    When it gets dark, we can just fly to the other side of the planet, or-- fwoosh!-- turn our hair all glowy and become our own night lights!"  

"I just don't see why we should waste our time with that," Cabba said nervously, "when we could simply--"

"Sis?"

Caulifla turned to find Kale stepping off the ramp.  They weren't actually siblings, but the members of Caulifla's gang would use the terms "brother" or "sister" refer to those of higher rank.  Aside from a sullen expression on Kale’s face, there wasn't much about to mark her as an outlaw.   She was meek and timid, and deferred to Caulifla in almost every situation.   In spite of this, Caulifla had taken Kale on as a student.   Cabba hadn't understood why until the day he taught Caulifla how to become a Super Saiyan.    While the two of them sparred, Kale became intensely jealous of their newfound friendship, and suddenly transformed all by herself.    It was likely that Kale's Super Saiyan form was even stronger than Cabba's or Caulifla's, but she only learned to control it during the heat of the tournament, so there had never been an opportunity to test her power.  

"What is it, Kale?" Caulifla asked.    In an instant, all the harsh defiance in her voice melted away.  

"Um, I think we should get things ready here first," Kale said.   "I mean, we're a long way from home, and... and if anything happens to the ship, we'll be stranded..."

"Oh?" Caulifla said.    "Well, if it it'll make you feel better, then fine.   Come on, I'll give you a hand.  Hurry up, Cabba.   Don’t expect us to do all the work!"

With that, the two women went back into the ship, leaving Cabba to shake his head and wonder what he had gotten himself into.  

*******

[8 April, Age 780.    Parnassan III, Universe 6]

"I thought you three got along better than that," Rota asked.  

"It's... complicated," Cabba said.  "The Sadala Defense Force serves the Saiyan Crown.   Caulifla's gang acts in open defiance of the king.  Technically, we're enemies."

"I see," Rota said.  "If not for the Tournament of Power, you would have been tasked with arresting them."

"Probably," Cabba said.   Caulifla had always been too strong for the SDF to handle, so we've always given her a wide berth.   She's not really hurting anyone, after all.   A lot of my comrades sympathize with her cause.  I know I do."

"But then you learned how to transform into a Super Saiyan," Rota said.   "You would have been forced to choose between her or your sovereign.   The stuff of romance novels."

"It's not like that!" Cabba insisted.   He leaped out of his chair and pounded his fist on the table, and though he only used a mere fraction of his immense strength, it was still enough to warp the aluminum tabletop into something resembling an abstract sculpture.

"Easy, young man, easy," Rota said.  "We're all friends here."

"Yes, we're all friends," Cabba said.   "Just friends, all right?"

"Of course," Rota said.  "I didn't meant to upset you."

Cabba sat down and put his hands over his face, then dragged his palms up into his short, spiky hair.    "Sorry, doctor," he said after a long sigh.   "It's just that I've been on edge about that lately."

"I don't understand," Rota said.  

"When I showed Caulifla how to become a Super Saiyan, I was only trying to do the right thing for Universe 6, for Sadala.   But once Caulifla transformed, I was surprised by how happy it made me.   I didn't realize how alone I felt as the only Saiyan in our universe with that kind of power.   I think she felt the same way, and that made Kale very angry."

Rota scratched the bottom of his snout and his eyes went wide.   "Yes, I recall something similar playing out during the tournament when Caulifla fought Son Goku.   He was showing her other applications of the Super Saiyan form, and I thought it was rather arrogant for him to give out free lessons in the middle of a battle royale, but it was working to our advantage."

"Were you just watching everyone else the whole time?" Cabba asked pointedly.

"I was scouting, young man," Rota replied.   "Waiting for the right moment to strike.   I didn't become Doctor Rota by acting hastily.   If I had attacked Son Goku then and there, he wouldn't have taught Caulifla how to increase her power.   As it was, Kale went wild, and attacked him instead."

"Exactly," Cabba said.   "Kale is very jealous in that respect.   And before you bring it up, I happen to know Son Goku is married.    I met his wife."

"In that case the solution seems obvious," Rota said.   "As long as you keep Caulifla at arm's length, Kale shouldn't mind at all."

"That's what I thought at first," Cabba said.  "But it turns out Kale isn't the one I have to worry about."

*******

[6 April, Age 780.   Parnassan III, Universe 6]

One of the side-effects of Kale's Super Saiyan power was that her size increased when she used it.   Of the two modes she had discovered, the larger one was brutish and almost uncontrollable.   The smaller one seemed more useful, but it still made Kale at least fifteen centimeters taller than her normal height, and the muscles in her limbs and torso were much larger.   She almost looked like a completely different person.    Even her face took on a determined, more focused expression, and the only sign of the original Kale was the lipstick she wore.  

Currently, she and Cabba were thirty meters in the air, and she had him in a hammerlock.   Cabba could tell she wasn't trying to apply pressure to the hold, but it still hurt, because the woman simply didn't know her own strength.  

"I don't see the point of this," Kale asked.    "It might be useful for arresting criminals, but what good does it do in a real fight?"

"Think about it," Cabba said.   "If you managed to apply a hold like this on an opponent, you could set him up for an ally to finish him off."

"But why not just attack him myself?" Kale asked.  

"Because you might not be strong enough for that," Cabba said.   "Joint locks can.. ow!... neutralize an opponent's strength advantage.   You and Caulifla did well against Son Goku, but it wasn't enough to just attack him together.    You tried to overwhelm him, but what if one of you slipped behind him and managed to immobilize him."

"Wouldn't he just break the hold?" Kale asked.  

"Maybe, but it would still be easier than trying to go toe-to-toe with him," Cabba explained.   "Properly applied, a good hold can use your opponent's strength against him.    But that's not the only reason to familiarize yourself with them.   Could you power down, please?"

Kale released her grip and reverted to her normal, smaller self.   Normally, she kept her hair in a ponytail, but the Super Saiyan transformation pulled the hair tie apart every time she used it.    Now, her hair hung loose around her shoulders as she looked up expectantly at Cabba.  

"You see, every hold has a counter-hold, a way to escape," Cabba explained.   "I'm going to put a few holds on you and show you how to slip free, and you won't even need to transform to force your way out."  

Kale seemed genuinely fascinated by this.   "Okay!" she said.   It was the first time Cabba had seen her smile at anyone besides Caulfila."

"Right, well, we'll start with an easy one," he said.    Moving behind her, he slipped his arms under her shoulders to apply a full-nelson.  

"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING UP THERE, CABBA!?"

Startled, he moved away from Kale and looked down to find Caulifla, dragging the remains of a dead animal behind her.   In a split second she transformed into a Super Saiyan and launched herself into the air to confront him.    

"Sis!" Kale said with a gasp.  

"I was showing her some holds I learned in the Sadala Defe--!" Cabba tried to say.

"How dumb do you think I am, Cabba?!"  Caulifla shouted.  "We've been training all day, and as soon as I go off to find us some lunch, you suddenly decide to give special lessons to my protege!"

"It's not like that!" Cabba insisted.  "I only suggested the holds because it was something Kale wasn't already familiar with--"

"Look, I respect you, Cabba!" Caulifla said.   She jabbed her finger against the chestplate of his SDF uniform.   "Half the time, I even like you.   You'd make a pretty good addition to my gang.  The three of us would be running Sadala inside of a week, if I had any interest in that sort of thing!"

Cabba wasn't sure how to respond to this, but fortunately for him Caulifla had no intention of letting him get a word in edgewise.

"I get it, Cabba," she continued.   "Kale was attractive enough before she learned how to turn into a Super Saiyan.   The guys in my gang can barely take their eyes off of her.   They can't help it!"

Cabba glanced back at Kale, hoping for some sort of assistance.   She was too busy blushing to come to his rescue.  

"I've been training Kale for a while now, so I've dealt with this sort of thing before.   It's not easy having a protege who happens to be the most desirable woman on Planet Sadala.   Everyone always offering to help her up, or asking to spar with her while I'm not around.   There's no shame in it, Cabba.    It just means you've still got a pulse!"

"On... the entire planet?" Cabba asked.  

"And now that she's a Super Saiyan, it's only going to get worse, I suppose," Caulifla said as she clicked her tongue.   "The gang probably won't get anything done when we get back.   They'll all be too busy watching her stretch in the morning, or sniffing at the breeze to catch a whiff of her scent."

"Caulifla, I promise you, I have no interest in Kale whatsoever!" Cabba said.    He was desperate now to defuse this situation.    For all he knew, Caulifla might suddenly transform into some even more dangerous Super Saiyan form than Kale's.   Unfortunately, he was a bit too forceful in his denial.  

"No... interest?" Caulifla said slowly.    She glared at him, somehow looking even angrier than she had been before.   "What are you saying?   That there's something wrong with Kale?"

Cabba opened his mouth to answer, but he honestly had no idea what to say.  

*******

[April 8, Age 780.   Paranassan III, Universe 6.]

"Is Kale unattractive?" Dr. Rota asked.   "Alien as you are to me, I really have no way of knowing myself.  You Saiyans don't have much in the way of snout structure."

Cabba waved his hand nonchalantly.    "She's all right, but I wouldn't go as far as Caulifla," he said.   "They're both perfectly... Look, that isn't the point.   At least half of the Sadala Defense Force are women.   I'm a professional, and a proud Saiyan warrior, not some punk outlaw who loses control of himself whenever he sees a girl's triceps.    I didn't come to this planet to try to seduce Kale into joining the SDF, or whatever else they think.   I resent the implication."

"Then why did you even come to this place at all?" Rota asked.  "It sounds like you won't be able to train with Caulifla without upsetting Kale, and you can't train with Kale without upsetting Caulifla."

"I didn't want to go," Cabba grumbled.   "I knew it would be this way, but Caulifla insisted.    She was afraid that if she and Kale left Sadala, then I might round up her gang while they were gone.   And that's how the King sees it, too.   He's worried about what those two might do if I were to leave Sadala to train on my own.   He's pretty much ordered me to keep an eye on them.    Not that I'd stand a chance against their combined power, but I'm the only Super Saiyan the king has.   For now, I'm stuck with them."

"Then what are you going to do?" Rota asked.   "Surely you don't mean to just sit here with your ship while they train.   Unless... you don't mean to abandon them here?"

"Of course not," Cabba said.  "That would be cowardly.   Besides, I need to establish a rivalry with them in order to advance my own power.   Like Vegeta has with Son Goku.    Only it'll never work like this, not while they can't stop thinking about each other for more than five seconds."

"Then how--?"

"I'm not hiding out here for no reason, doctor," Cabba said.  "I'm playing a hunch.  I'm betting that without me around, they'll realize that I'm not the one who's distracted around here.   Maybe then, I can clear the air with them and we can get down to training."

"I still don't follow you, young man," Dr. Rota said.   "Still, if you're as bored as you look, you and I could spar while you wait for... whatever it is you're waiting for."

"I'm afraid not, doctor," Cabba said.  "I don't want anything to disturb them until I'm sure.   You're welcome to stick around after that, assuming Caulifla doesn't mind.   For what it's worth, I think she was interested in seeing that power of yours."

His lips curled into a smile, exposing a bit more of his tusks.    "A very perceptive young lady," he said.   "Very well.   As I said before, I'm content to bide my time and wait for the right moment, though your reasoning mystifies me, Cabba."

*******

Thousands of kilometers from Cabba, Rota, and the ships, Caulifla and Kale alighted in a savannah, having abandoned their search.  

"The nerve of that guy!" Caulifla growled.   "We've been looking for him for hours."

"M-maybe he went back to the ship?" Kale suggested.    

"Nah!" Caulifla said.   "He knows that'd be the first place we'd look.    He challenged us to find him, so that must mean he's hidden himself pretty well.     But enough is enough!    We've got better things to do than chase him around!"

"We do?" Kale asked.  

"Of course we do!" Caulifla said.    "You want to get stronger, don't you?   You want to become a Super Saiyan 3, don't you?"

"Oh, well I guess so..." Kale said sheepishly.  

Caulifla slapped her hand onto Kale's back.   "That's the spirit!" she said.   "Let Cabba hide in the woods like a tool!   I was hoping to spar with him, but if all he wants to do is flirt, then who needs him?   I’ve got a perfect sparring partner with me right here!"

"You want to spar... with me?" Kale asked.  

"You bet!" Caulifla said.    "Let's get right to it!    Finally, we can get some real work done!"

"Um, right!"

They moved about three meters apart from each other and raised their arms in a defensive posture.    

"The nerve of that guy," Caulifla said.  "Letting his hormones get the better of him like that!  How'd someone like him ever become such a big shot in the Sadala Defense Force, anyway?"

Kale nodded.  "He's just so unfocused!" she said.  

"And yet he did so well in the Tournament of Power!" Caulifla said.    "At least I think he did.  We got split up a lot during that battle."

"M-maybe that's what's wrong," Kale suggested.   "He does better on his own.  Around girls, he can't think straight."

"Sheesh!  What a lousy break!  Cabba's the only other Super Saiyan in our universe!  If he can't spar with us, he'll get rusty in no time!"

"I guess... I guess he'll just have to work it out on his own," Kale said.  

"Yeah, either way, it's his problem, not ours.  While he's taking cold showers, we'll be training as Super Saiyan 3!"

"Sis, do... do you think there's a Super Saiyan 4?" Kale asked.

Caulifla dropped her fighting stance and rubbed her fingers over her chin as she considered this possibility.    At last she shrugged her shoulders.    "Could be!" she said.  "It's exciting to think about, huh?    Well, we won't find out by talking about it, will we?"

"Right!"

She resumed her posture and they began to circle around one another.    

"We never got a chance to really fight one-on-one as Super Saiyans,"  Caulifla said.  "I bet we're pretty evenly matched now."

"You... you really think so?" Kale asked.

"Heh.  You may have surpassed me, Kale.  You lasted a little longer against Son Goku than I did."

"Surpassed?"  Kale started to blush at the suggestion.  "Oh... I can't imagine."

"I'm a little nervous, honestly," Caulifla said with a grin.    "I don't want to make a mistake."

"Me too."

"Honestly, I can't really blame Cabba for getting distracted.  You cut a mean figure when you're squaring off for a fight."

"Thanks!"

"He just couldn't keep a lid on his passions!  If you got him in a hold, he'd probably be too thrilled to think about how to escape."

"Your eyes," Kale said.

"Huh?"

"When you're transformed.  They're really pretty.  I can see how it'd be hard for him not to stare."

For once, Caulifla was at a loss for words.   Her eyes went wide, and then she blinked a few times before mumbling:  "Uh... yeah, you too!"

They continued to circle around each other as they sought an opening.    This went on for several minutes, until a gentle breeze passed over them, and Caulifla found herself downwind of her protege.

"Kale."

"Yes?"

"I can smell your lipstick from here," Caulifla said.  

"Oh."

"No wonder Cabba got so worked up.  We should have found a training ground with a stiffer breeze."

"I'm sorry.  I should just stop putting it on for a while..."

"No!  It looks good on you.    And... I like the smell."

"Oh, Okay."

Caulifla laughed.   "You might have confused Cabba with that sort of thing,  but it'll take more than that to distract me, Kale."

Eventually, they moved around until Kale was downwind of Caulifla.  

"I can smell your hair from here," Kale said. "But... it isn't bothering me at all."

"Good," Caulifla said.    "Well, I guess you can come at me, Kale."

"I'm not sure I'm ready."

"Nah, I keep telling you not to overthink things!  Just improvise!"

And so she did.  In a split second, Kale charged at Caulifla and threw a punch with her left hand, which Caulifla caught in her right.  They stood this way for a few seconds, Kale trying to push forward, and Caulfila trying to hold her back as they stared into each other's eyes.  The scents they had noticed before were now all the more intense.  They each held out their free hand with uncertainty, unsure what to do.

And in the next moment their standoff ended in an embrace, and they rolled to the ground as they exchanged a kiss.

They continued to improvise this way for some time.

********

"I wish you'd explain this hunch of yours," Dr. Rota said to Cabba.   "I don't mind the waiting, but the mystery is very irksome."

"I'm not sure I can explain it, doctor," Cabba said.   "Do you know anything about Saiyan mating practices?"

Rota shook his head.    "Nothing at all, really."

Cabba shrugged.   "That's okay," he said.    "To be honest, we Saiyans don't really understand it either."

[THE END]

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[twilightdreamersmith]

Voice Training Through Singing:

This one’s for the girls

All right, so you want to sound like the girl you are, right? Well, you already do, seeing as your voice sounds like you, and you’re a girl, but most people don’t understand that. I never could find a single, comprehensive guide for vocal feminization that included a step-by-step process (though I never paid for any of those programs either, so they may be there) but I did find some that gave me important information on certain sections and stumbled through the rest myself.

By “stumbled through” I mean that I tried to do everything at once instead of one step at a time, and took a lot longer than I should have to see any results. I also nearly caused serious damage to my voice a few times, at one point losing it entirely for a day. As I’ve thought about the different aspects of what I’ve done though, I was able to easily separate them into steps that build on each other instead of throwing everything into a blender and hoping that what comes out is what you want.

I won’t be adding any before/after clips to this, for privacy reasons as well as lack of a decent sound setup at the moment, but I have been correctly gendered every time I am on the phone or going through a drive-through for the past few months, and I’ve been doing this for about a year. Most of the things I do heavily involve matching the voice of various singers, which I can do easily thanks to nearly a decade of music training. If you have trouble with this, I would recommend using headphones to start with; they make it much easier to tell if you are at least harmonizing well. Eventually your ear will probably get better and you can pay more attention to your voice instead of the singer’s, at which point you can quit using the headphones if you want.

You might also end up getting really good at matching voices, and that’s not even the coolest part. Do you like singing right now, and have some male artists you like to sing along with? You won’t lose that with this! All it will do will make your range increase, and eventually raise your “normal” voice in that range. Here’s a good example of the sort of thing we’re going for (I can’t hit the highest notes yet, but I can hit most!)

  Step 0. Self-care – Don’t overdo it!

Before we get started, it’s important to note that going too high before you’re ready (or warmed up), or doing too much too fast can really hurt your voice. I’m trying to get into a more responsible schedule for the last bits of mine, but I tend to do most of my training in the car, which means I end up with days at a time of not doing anything beyond using my feminine speaking voice, followed by 2-3 hours in a single day of nonstop training. Needless to say, that tends to push my voice a bit harder than I like if I’m not careful.

Most people already know what it feels like when you start to lose your voice, and definitely pay attention to those symptoms, but a new one that I noticed after starting this training caught me off guard. Often the first warning sign that I’m pushing too hard is that I start coughing and feeling like I’ve got something stuck in my throat. Nothing’s actually there, but that doesn’t change the fact that the coughing happens. Just be aware of your body, and try to stop if you notice signs of strain. After all, any voice is better than none!

If you do end up pushing things a bit, hot drinks like tea or coffee can do wonders to relax everything again. My personal treatment is freshly brewed black tea with about 2 tablespoons of honey in it. It won’t make everything magically better so you can go right back to it, but it will make it so you have a voice the next day.

Another trick to help with a strained voice, though it may bother you, is to talk as low as you can. Not deep (you don’t need to try singing bass opera parts!), but low and smooth (like you’re pretending to be a guy trying to seduce someone quietly). Do that for a few minutes and it should loosen everything up again, at least enough to get back a normal speaking pitch.

  Step 1. Basic Anatomy – Your Apple is your friend

Normally this section would be a boring, basic section with odd pictures that have long names of things we don’t care about. As you’ve probably guessed, I don’t care for that approach much, and I’m also very impatient. So, here’s a quick rundown of what you need to know, and at the end you’ll be able to see just a bit of progress too!

Now I know most of us don’t like our Adam’s apples (me too!), but the technical name for what it covers is the larynx, so I’m going to call it that instead. You can feel where it is, right? Touch it, then swallow. Feel how it moved? Now try doing that without swallowing. Chances are that you can’t right now, but that’s okay! Swallow again, but this time hold your larynx at the highest point, where it feels like it pulls back slightly, then let go when you need to breathe.

Doing that exercise a few times a day will get you to the point that you can move your larynx up at will, which will help out with resonance and tone later on. You may even notice a difference if you try talking with your larynx up instead of relaxed, though it’ll probably be a bit difficult at first. This part took me about two weeks to get right, but since I haven’t met anyone who’s tried the same thing I don’t know if that’s fast or slow. If you want to, feel free to send me some feedback on how long it took you (On any of the sections, for that matter)!

  Step 2. The Voice – Raise the Voice, not the Pitch

Now you can move your larynx up and down. Great! But you’re only halfway through the basics right now. Go ahead and try to keep your larynx up for the rest of the training, but if you can’t don’t worry; this part can be done without that.

I’d like to point out here that, while I was trained musically, it was not in singing (I was a tuba player), so some of the terms I’m using are probably not correct in that sense. I’m going to use them anyhow though, because it makes sense to me and I’m pretty stubborn, so just roll with it.

Sing a note in the comfortable part of your range. Doesn’t matter how loud, but hold it for a bit. Feel where the vibration is? I’m going to guess that it’s right around your collarbone, at the base of your neck. That’s called “Chest Voice,” and it’s almost always a masculine thing. This next part is kinda tricky to explain, so bear with me.

Now try to picture your voice as a light or an orb or something that’s in that area. It doesn’t matter what, so long as you do it. Raise that light/orb/whatever up slowly while you hold the tone. The sound will probably shift up as you do; that’s fine. The important thing is to note the different feeling of where the vibration is. As it reaches the halfway point in your throat you might feel a sudden change. That change over is what I call the “Throat Voice” and is probably where your voice will want to go for a while during training.

Once you get past Throat Voice and visualize the light/orb/whatever entering your mouth you’re officially using “Head Voice,” a.k.a. where most women talk from. Congrats! Now go even higher, till you have to pull your larynx back almost to where it goes when you swallow. You probably sound like a really bad Mickey Mouse or chipmunk now, but that’s normal. This is the upper range of your voice, what I call the “Falsetto.” Once you’ve got the hang of moving between these (and moving your larynx up during them as well) you can move on. I think this part took me about six weeks to really get down.

  Step 3. First Steps – a.k.a. Why I do this in the car

This is where we begin the real training! Quick question: Do you like My Little Pony? If so, that makes this step a lot easier. If not, then you’ll have to use “chipmunk” songs or go look up “nightcore” on Youtube and find some songs you like. Actually, I’d do that last one anyhow, especially if you find some that the originals feature a male singer.

Either way, the point of this step is to find some songs you like that force you to use that “falsetto” range you discovered last step. At first you won’t be able to do much in that range that doesn’t sound like a squeaky wheel that somehow learned to talk, but as you keep at it you’ll start to get a little more flexibility up there. Remember though, you’re not going for a “good” sound right now; you’re trying to match the song as best you can.

There really isn’t too much else to this step. You just have to keep at it till you are able to match the songs, or at the very least are able to move around the range without sounding like a Disney character anymore.  I use songs from MLP and some nightcore songs as well for this, in particular any songs that have multiple singers to maximize the flexibility and control (yup, I’m still working on this part a bit, but I reached what I’m saying here in about two months). Once you are happy, onto the next step!

  Step 4. Pitch – Removing the Turtle Shell

You know that part in the original Dragon Ball anime where Master Roshi had Goku doing a bunch of weird tasks while wearing that really heavy turtle shell? Then he got to take it off at the tournament, only to find he’d gotten a ton faster and stronger without noticing it? Yeah, that’s kinda what the last step was for us, and now it’s time to see the results! Unless you’ve been skipping ahead (can’t judge here!) this will be the first step where a real, usable feminine voice starts to take shape. Excited yet? I hope so, because this is also the second longest step, and the one with the least guidance.

All you need to do in this step is find songs that aren’t in the “falsetto” range and learn to match them while using Head Voice. As you start singing, you may notice that you revert to Chest Voice, or that your larynx drops again, or any number of things. One positive thing you should notice, however, is that you are much better at being aware of how your throat and larynx feel as you speak and sing, which translates to being better at imitating a singer. It really comes down to trial and error at this point.

One recommendation I would have is start with Queen songs, then move into your chosen artists. Queen’s songs are pitched perfectly as a jumping off point for raising said pitch, as most are right where the masculine and feminine ranges overlap, without worrying too much about tone or resonance. Those can come a bit later, especially resonance (which gets its own step later). Disney songs are another excellent choice, though you have to be careful at first. The male parts also make for a good vocal warm-up, to help avoid straining anything.

As for other artists with women singers that work well for beginners, go for someone with a “husky” voice. My personal starting band (after Queen) was Blackmore’s Night, and I moved into LeAnn Rimes, Trick Pony, and a few video game songs once I got more advanced (If you are curious, I recently moved into singing a few Jordin Sparks and P!nk songs, as well as only having a little trouble with some of the more famous Disney songs like “Part of Your World” and “A Whole New World”).

One thing to watch out for here, especially as you start moving into higher pitches and approach the alto range, is a tightness or fatigue in your jaw after singing. That comes from using your jaw muscles to force control over a pitch above your current non-falsetto range, and that can actually hold you back considerably.

I looked this up after hitting a plateau for nearly two months and found a singing coach that referred to the fix as “lazy jaw.” Basically you should be able to hold a note while moving your head around (even if it is slowly) or moving your jaw with a hand. Once you work that in your tone will improve as well, so double win!

Once you start to get the raw pitch down you’ll probably notice that there’s still something different between yourself and the singer, which is where the next part comes in. There isn’t really a point where you are “done” with this step, but I reached a decent point in around six months with the original songs.

  Step 5. Resonance – Why a Choker Can Actually Help

I don’t wear a choker, mainly because I can’t find any that are affordable and fit me, but the title does not lie. This step is all about the little shifts in vibration and position of the larynx that I, at least, couldn’t feel without something touching it constantly, hence why a choker would help. I just use a free hand and lightly touch just above and below the larynx occasionally.

This part is a little iffy, and I’m still working on the fine-tuning of my own voice, so the guide might go a different way than your voice wants to. I would strongly recommend recording your voice every now and again during this step, or possibly getting someone’s advice, especially if you have trouble recognizing perfect harmony while singing (for me that’s where I can’t hear any difference at all between the singer and my voice). I can offer a few pointers though.

First, you should have enough control of your larynx by now to have some sense of how far “forward” or “back” your voice is as well as the “up” and “down” of Chest/Throat/Head. If you want to sound airy or breathy, then move your voice “forward” and “up.” If you want to sound husky of earthy, “Back” and slightly “down” are the directions to go. Don’t forget that where your larynx and voice are will affect your pitch a bit, but with practice you can go lower in pitch while still maintaining Head Voice.

Second, try to only vibrate half of your throat. Sounds confusing, I know, but the most feminine voice I can use right now only vibrates below my larynx, not above. I have heard other people discussing the exact opposite, but I do know that masculine voices use both above and below, so as long as half is still I think it’ll be fine. Just use your ears (or a friend’s!) to figure out which one works for you, and try not to stress too much about it. I still have issues with this a lot on certain songs and artists, and I’ve been working on this step for 8 months now. Remember, your goal isn’t actually to be a perfect singer (at least, not for this guide), it’s to develop a feminine speaking voice.

Third, add some heart! I know it sounds corny and cliché, but if you can feel the singer’s emotions and add that to your singing it can make a lot of this automatic. Masculine resonance mainly uses volume for emphasis, but feminine resonance tends to use pitch and emotional emphasis instead. There is a big difference, even if it doesn’t make sense at first why.

Lastly, if you are still using headphones or earbuds, take advantage of that to really match the singer! If you think you are close, but it sounds really bad and wavy, that actually means you’re really close (within a half-step, to use proper music terminology) so keep moving up and down to get it. Very few things are as satisfying as singing in perfect harmony with a feminine singer for the first time.

  Ending – You’re Still Here?

As I mentioned in the last step, this is about as far as I’ve gotten in my own training, so I can’t share anymore tips. Basically you take all the skills and awareness you got learning to sing (which is its own useful skill, I might add) and apply them to your normal speaking voice as well. In my case the pitch of my voice started raising without me even thinking about it, so I only had to train myself to automatically use the correct resonance and Head Voice before I had a convincing, feminine voice.

The only other thing I have done that is not in the steps above is try to sing parts of the Broadway musical Wicked to improve my volume in my voice, but all that seems to have done so far is shred my voice whenever I try. I can’t say I recommend that, and if you follow the steps above instead of trying to do it all at once like I did you may not even need it!

Once again I would like to mention that this guide is based on my own experiments and trial and error, so Your Mileage May Vary is definitely applicable here. Feel free to contact me @twilightdreamersmith on Tumblr if you need something clarified, or if you have any suggestions as to something I missed.

Happy training!

#transgender #trans girl #voice training #voice feminization #trans women #long post

[tigerlover16-uk]

DBS Goku is a retarded, selfish monster with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and is the embodiment of every fandom stereotype about the character. No true Goku fan would like anything about Super, so stop lying to try and win favour from real Dragon Ball fans you tasteless swine!

You know it’s offensive to mentally disabled people to use the word retarded as an insult, right? Who’s the real monster here?

And no redeeming qualities huh? Okay, you know what, I’ve seen this nonsense before from Goku fans and DBS detractors, so here’s a list of redeeming qualities and moments:

1: Right from the first episode Goku makes it clear that he wants to start intensive training again to be able to keep the earth and his loved ones safe whenever another villain shows up. This shows he’s learned from stuff like Raditz showing up and accepts he’s responsible for keeping everyone safe and wants to be responsible.

He doesn’t go off to train with King Kai without warning though, he agrees to get a job like Chichi wanted because the family needed the money, and when he was offered money (Which he tried to refuse at first because it sounded like too much and Goku’s humble) that was when he left to train, though only after making sure it was okay with Chichi and Goten.

And he promised to come back and visit often, which he seemingly did since in the Japanese version it’s implied Gohan and Videl hadn’t got married yet, and Goku was shown to have attended their wedding from a photo (Even wearing a fancy suit, something he hates doing because he finds them uncomfortable). This from a guy who has a bad habit of forgetting to drop by and visit people for years unless something big isn’t happening, showing that he clearly understands the importance of being with family.

2: The whole reason he fought Beerus was to defend the earth. Notice that he only asks to fight Beerus RIGHT AFTER the cat said he was going to earth and commented off hand that he might blow it up. And immediately after being defeated he’s speculating on how he could potentially defeat Beerus and then wants to warn everyone about him, and in the next episode King Kai, Bubbles and Gregory all have to physically restrain Goku from instant transmissioning to earth to confront Beerus.

Throughout their fight Goku frequently shows worry for the earth potentially being destroyed by Beerus, goes out of his way to make sure that doesn’t happen, and during the last stretch of the fight it’s the mental image of his friends and family in danger that empowers him to keep going despite running out of fumes. Does any of that sound like someone who’s selfish and only cares about himself and fighting to you?

3: He’s shown to hang out frequently with Goten at work and at home, and is enthusiastic about having him come train with him, even if Chichi’s not in favour of it. He’s pretty affectionate and supportive of him during these moments.

4: When he found out about Frieza, Goku got back to earth as fast as he could, saved Gohan from Frieza’s attack, got Piccolo’s dead body to a safe place so it wouldn’t be destroyed, and then his first instinct was to make sure Gohan was safe and healed, reassure him that he did a good job and that they could revive Piccolo, then order Goten and Trunks to get out of dodge before confronting Frieza. He took charge and was responsible in that situation, like a team leader and protective parent would be.

5: He’s shown many times throughout the show to explicitly care about his friends and loved ones and their well being. There’s too many examples to count, but I think the most popular one was him flying into a rage greater than any we’ve seen of him since Frieza killed Krillin at least when Goku Black told him he’d murdered an ALTERNATE VERSION of Chichi and Goten.

6: After that silly little incident where he ended up punching Monaka thinking he would dodge, Goku was immediately sorry and apologized to him. Compare this to when he shot Old Kai in the face when they first met in Z to see if he was really a big deal, then just made a smarmy comment about how he wasn’t (And then offered to let the guy feel up Videl, a teenager, and Bulma to get him to co-operate, knowing he wouldn’t likely face any repercussions, and only backed down when Gohan and later Vegeta angrily called him out for it, but never seeming genuinely apologetic and more just saying he’s sorry to save his own skin).

7: He was happy to let Monoka fight before I’m after being allowed to still compete in the tournament with universe 6 because he wanted to let the guy have a shot, only agreeing to go before him again when Beerus insisted. Selfish he wasn’t there.

8: He was immediately horrified when Champa tried to kill his team after they lost and wanted to help before Beerus told him to back down, and was generally very concerned for their safety.

9: He’s shown to be an extremely loving and affectionate grandfather who adores Pan and is very concerned about her safety.

10: He was immediately concerned when he found out Future Trunks showed up injured and wasted no time teleporting himself and Vegeta back and going to get senzu beans, and showed compassion for the people of the Future at several points.

11: When confronting Present Zamasu, Goku was initially willing to give the guy a fair chance because he probably hadn’t done anything wrong yet and he might not go bad, but was still rightfully cautious around him, and upon seeing Zamasu try to murder Gowasu he immediately wanted to jump in and help, looking highly concerned when Beerus wouldn’t let him. And then when they did stop Zamasu’s assassination attempt, Goku went right up to Zamasu and called him out specifically for murdering so many people in the future, and was ready to throw down with the corrupt God when he wanted to fight. And despite being willing to show mercy earlier, Goku ultimately had no protest when Beerus deleted present Zamasu. Goku had his priorities very straight during this whole confrontation.

12: When Goku Black first went SSJR and critically injured Vegeta, Goku immediately dropped his earlier calm and overconfident attitude when he thought beating Goku Black would be easy, ordered Future Trunks to get Vegeta to safety and went straight to Super Saiyan Blue to confront Black himself, taking that entire confrontation seriously as well as not protesting when Future Trunks later jumped in to help after Future Zamasu showed up, because Goku acknowledged that he could use the help.

13: He eventually did try to gather the Dragon Balls to wish King Kai back to life of his own volition, though he was willing to use one wish to heal Pan when he found out she was sick with no hesitation.

14: He got a second part time job as a bodyguard just because Chichi wanted him to, even though they obviously didn’t need the extra money considering how much they still had.

15: He dropped what he was doing and almost forgot he wanted to go training with Whis when he found out Bulma was pregnant, sharing some quiet bonding time with his oldest friend and even offering her his treats for Whis as a present before Goten reminded him what he was doing.

16: He was immediately horrified when he found out about the losing Universes being destroyed in the tournament and despite being in shock for a bit resolved to win and save the day when Beerus snapped at him about the whole situation.

17: Throughout the entire build up to the tournament Goku shows nothing but confidence in Gohan as well as all of his friends abilities, even defending Krillin and assuring that he would do well when Gohan questioned how useful he could be. Though he does understand the weight of the situation they’re facing and that there’s a chance they might lose after Majin Buu fell asleep, which was the only reason he was willing to have Frieza on the team because he was the strongest and most useful replacement Goku could think of even despite the risk.

18: Speaking of, Goku does take things seriously in his scenes with Frieza if you look closely, and was furious with Frieza for murdering the universe 9 assassins, despite them trying to sabotage their team and doom universe 7 and Frieza himself pointing out they would die anyway, and the only reason he didn’t stop Frieza from killing all of them was because he saw Baba and her attendant were under attack right before he jumped in to stop Frieza, so he immediately reacted to protect them. And when he did confront Frieza afterwards he got trapped in a sphere of destruction energy. Afterwards although he took responsibility for Frieza’s actions to Beerus and insisted they still needed him to win, he gave Frieza a stern warning via their sparring match that he could match Golden Frieza now and he would make him suffer if the creep stepped out of line again. Bringing Frieza in to fight in this tournament was a crazy move and reckless, but Goku is taking things seriously and it’s an act of desperation like when he worked with Piccolo to stop Raditz, so although reckless it is Goku trying to be responsible for the sake of everyone and everything he loves.

19: He quickly bonds with Android 17, is immediately happy to help him out against the poachers, saved him without hesitation when 17 tried to pull a heroic sacrifice, and at the end of the episode made it clear that although he never considered himself a hero, he values life and can’t stand to see innocent lives destroyed.

20: He’s been nothing but a good sport to the fighters from other universes in the tournament of power, calling out 17 for interrupting the Kamikazi fireballs transformation and vouching to let them transform, helping Caulifla to get a better understanding and a grip on her super saiyan transformations and being willing to let her and Kale go off to recuperate after the scuffle with the Pride Troopers, despite them technically being enemies in this situation like Android 18 pointed out. He also saved Hit from being eliminated, even though he tries to pass that off as him wanting to get in on the action with Dyspo it’s pretty obvious from their established friendship Goku was genuinely looking out for Hit there.

21: He’s very supportive of Gohan’s life choices and choosing to prioritize work and being a scholar, as shown when he was perfectly okay with Gohan not being able to compete in the U6 tournament and reassuring him that studying was important too.

Also, if you ask me he looked pretty darn angry at the Grand Priest after Universe 9 was erased, and he does talk about how he has to be the one to win the tournament to get the wish on the super dragon balls, indicating he does have a plan in all this.

And I could really go on and on all night like this. These are just some notable examples, there’s a lot of redeeming qualities Goku shows throughout the show and good moments where’s he’s clearly portrayed as a good and kind person, even if he is still very flawed like anyone else.

Look anon, I get why you’d be upset with Goku’s portrayal in Super. it’s not perfect, there have been bad moments and things could definitely be better with him. I’m not going to argue too hard with people who don’t like his portrayal here even if I think a lot of people do overreact about it.

But to accuse me of being a liar and not a real fan of Goku for liking anything about Super is quite frankly the most annoying thing anyone has said to me in regards to ragging on me for liking the show. Goku is my favourite anime character and always has been, and the fact that I’m willing to put up with a series where his character is off about 20% of the time maybe but more or less fine otherwise doesn’t make me any less “Real” of a fan than you or anyone else who likes him.

I can get very annoyed with Super’s handling of Goku at times. I wanted to slam my forehead against the keyboard at the opening scene in episode 58 and I’m still waiting impatiently to see his smarmy attitude from the preliminary fights from the current saga addressed and how he’s going to go about making everything right and saving the other universes to make up for his carelessness. I get where people are coming from, especially with the awful fandom that wants to take every chance to demonize and attack Goku making it a million times more frustrating. It’s understandable people would have no patience with ANY writing mistakes when they could be used to fuel those cretins and lead to more harassment for all the decent fans that like Goku.

You have a right to have issue with the show and to express dissatisfaction. You do NOT have the right to attack me and the people who like the show and are more forgiving of it’s occasional issues for not feeling exactly the same way as you. I stay in my own lane and don’t try to pick fights with people who feel differently about certain things in Super and only have reasonable discussions with people who are willing to talk about them.

Moreover, as I have just laid out for you, your claim that Goku in DBS has no redeeming qualities is a blatant lie. I suggest that you and anyone else who wants to criticise Goku in Super not do that and be fair to account for all the GOOD moments he’s had and the full extent of his portrayal, and not try to erase his better moments, strip all context for his actions throughout his appearances and twist the narrative to make DBS Goku look as bad as possible to suit your confirmation biases.

You know why you people shouldn’t do that? Because that’s EXACTLY the sort of thing that Goku haters do to try and demonize his portrayal in DBZ, and I thought all us people who like Goku were in agreement it’s a bad thing that people do that, right? Yet I swear so many of the people complaining about Goku in Super often slide into the exact same kinds of routines.

If you’ll excuse me now I’m going to bed soon. I would have been willing to have a more fair and reasonable debate with you about Goku’s portrayal in the show if you’d come to me with a more polite and reasonable tone. But don’t expect me to back down and take abuse when I’m being directly insulted over my opinions. Unless you’re going to apologize for being a jerk do NOT come into my inbox again with this attitude.

I swear, this fandom is the worst thing I’ve ever been involved in. Please no one else chime in with their own opinions or anything, this is just personal stuff. I’m tired now

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