#lion king vs kimba

[ihopesocomic]

People accusing Storm of being a Hover ripoff just because they're both gray, have a hair tuft, and are outside a pride… Same energy as people accusing Scar (TLK) of being a Claw (Kimba) ripoff just because they're both dark brown, have an eye scar, and are villains. Like those are all common tropes for their character archetypes, not unique copyrighted traits, and the DIFFERENCES between the characters are much greater than those surface-level similarities. For example with Scar/Claw, Claw is not the protagonist's uncle, does not kill his father, and has a much different personality and role in the overall story. And of course as IHS fans know, Storm (unlike Hover) is not an ableist bully, is actually supportive of her girlfriend, and has a more developed and interesting arc, including having an in-universe culture (vs "prideless lions" which are an un-detailed, amorphous blob)

But of course that's all on top of some people calling every lion cartoon "Lion King ripoff" anyway 💀 I wish people would think more critically before making accusations of copying, even if jokingly

Yeah its easy to tell who's read the comic and who hasn't because we made it a point to have Storm not be anything like Hover, right down to her sense of humor LOL (Also unlike Hover, Storm isn't a collective of bad butch lesbian stereotypes). We didn't write her to be "better Hover". Storm is just inherently better than Hover because a root canal is better than Hover.

If people think Storm is like Hover, it's a Hover they made up in their head and not what was in the show. But sure, let's all ignore the fact that Storm has a personality that isn't making fun at the expense of her friends. Let's ignore that she has interests beyond her girlfriend, has a family to speak of, has a collection of knowledge, fears specific to her, and reacts to problems completely differently. if its a grey lion, then it's fuckin Hover. Sorry, everyone who has a grey lion OC post-2020. Why you just copying Hover?

All Storm was was a repurposed Lion King adoptable. RJ added a mane when she repurposed her into a MP OC. And then later when we made IHS I changed her hairstyle to a fauxhawk cuz 1) I already had a character with a fauxhawk and I just took their hair and put it on Storm's head? 2) Maned lionesses are cool. Hover is not a maned lioness, unless you count those three growths sprouting from her cranium (all the other lions get real hair, so i dont get it, why wouldn't she?). Whatever those are, they're not a fauxhawk, that's for sure lol Plus Hover goes through like 7 different color palettes all throughout the show. If I had made Storm brown, they would just say she looks like Hover anyway cuz Hover's been all the colors of the rainbow. I can't win.

I won't mention that no one complained about Storm being a Hover clone when she was a MP character, and I don't hear too many complaints about how much closer Storm looks to Kasi from The Lion Guard soooooooooooooooo make of that what you will. - Cat

#ask

[macrotiis]

I'm not hugely invested in the Kimba vs The Lion King discourse, but it rly is insane for Disney to be like "no we haven't drawn any inspiration from Kimba, we didn't know it even existed" like that is such bullshit, the inspiration is so obvious.

Tezuka was a huge fan of Disney, its well known that Disney was an inspiration in his own work & especially in his art style. He was very upfront with the fact that he was inspired by western media, Disney especially. He even made manga adaptations of Bambi.

It really wouldn't be a problem if the company was just upfront bc I do believe The Lion King to be distinctly different enough for it not to be plagiarism, but the way it maintains that it wasn't an inspiration is just so disrespectful to Tezuka & his work.

#animal media

[perenlop]

i dont think people still do this as often after yms’s breakdown of the kimba vs lion king controversy but honestly its so exhausting how people equate inspiration to plagiarism. like yes, there’s absolutely a line to be drawn and some stuff is genuinely just plagiarism, but wow no one is allowed to be inspired by something important to them that pushes them to make more of that kind of content. no one is allowed to have homages. everything ever has to exist completely independently with no influences of other media whatsoever and is not allowed to use basic tropes or character dynamics just in case something else already did them. no care or passing on the torch allowed.

#like... undertale and earthbound is a very very classic example bc toby was very open abt being inspired #but you play them and theyre completely different and the similar things are the tone or the gameplay riffing on jrpg tropes #i know its definitely happened but if you tried to claim that toby ripped off mother 3 or something youd be laughed off #because its his own independent creation that he was inspired to create and added some homages in #echoed voice

[felinespooky]

Ramblings of a madman

So, people are speculating on what or who Sliver is the twisted version of. I’ve seen a lot like Princess Aurora, the sword of truth, Aurora’s blessed gifts, and the last spinning wheel. All are good with more conclusive evidence. But you’re reading a post done by someone who wants to really throw a curveball about this! My hot take is that Sliver is a Twisted version of one of Sleeping Beauty’s offsprings, mainly the Grimm Brothers’ version.

Yes, I can see you rereading that last sentence. I also want to add that maybe Yuu is the other offspring. While Book 7 (Diasomnia) isn’t really available in English to my knowledge, I have read that Sliver in the pre-realize trailer mentioned to Yuu that he feels like he’s met them before. “But that wouldn’t make sense because Yuu comes from another world!” I hear you, but a counterpoint is that if everyone remembers way back in the beginning, you are given a choice of saying “I���m from another world” or “I’m from a different dimension.” While they don’t really have much of an impact besides a slight change in Crowley’s response, I feel like this needs to be brought up. Yes, they can and are basically the same, however I feel like we can twist the perspective on those choices.

To me and my insanity, to come from a different world is more or less that, a different planet entirely. To be from a different dimension, however, would imply that Yuu had been taken through space and possibly even time. I get that a world vs dimension debate shouldn’t even be a thing, but I’ve also been talking nonsense! Now, just about everyone and their mother has gone the “different world” route from the looks of it. Fine and dandy choice, and I’m probably losing some of you here because this is about Sliver and Yuu somehow being siblings-but-not-siblings here. Well, that’s part of the reason I bring this up! Yuu may or may not have some sort of connection to the Diasomnia dorm, mainly Sliver in this case, but we don’t know if it’s true or not. Because them being twins would be quite the twist. Only one gets sent to an alternate dimension because maybe the twisted version of their parents were pretty shitty and saw that only one has magic. Course they are “good guys” and don’t like the idea of a baby’s death on their conscious so boom! Free baby to another set of parents in a completely different dimension where magic just doesn’t exist.

“But why specifically the Grimm version? This is all about Disney!” I hear you cry, and I have to point at Jack for this one. Jack is most likely a twisted version of Kimba, which is essentially a Disney knockoff of the Lion King. Not everything has to be strictly Disney related it seems. And besides, this lets me segway to my next point, which is Yuu is taking care of Grim. It’s not like it’s lost on us on where Grim gets his name. Plus, the Grimm tales are essentially the starting point for a good portion of the stories used in the Disney franchise. I have seen a theory floating around that Grim and Yuu are one and the same, just one’s more of the other’s magic manifested into a being of itself. Again, a twist in and of itself if Yuu was originally born in Twisted Wonderland and most likely had a low magic read compared to Sliver and got yeeted into a magicless place so bad that it knocked the magic baby Yuu would’ve had literally out of them. Which could also explain the whole “ominous” speech about Yuu basically being empty but still able to be summoned to a more magical place.

While twins don’t have to be near carbon copies nor be complete opposite of one another, I do want to point to some of the similarities Yuu and Sliver have. Notes of Yuu’s can be found with these folks. Both are pretty good with animals, though Sliver’s is with the more tame while Yuu is with the wild (Grim). Both can stay calm under pressure, though they have different levels of calmness. Both also have certain looks (technically everyone does but we’re mainly focused on these two) that get pointed out by others. Vil commenting on Sliver’s looks for a film, and a few others commenting on Yuu’s appearance to name a few. I would dare say that both have a heavy sleep-code thing going on, though we know more about Yuu’s POV than Sliver’s.

Sliver does make a comment saying that Yuu could be good with a sword; could be a note that they had some physical similarities that are so minimal no one would make such bold connections like they were related yet Sliver could subconsciously see it. If both were twins of a Princess (or a twisted equivalent that doesn’t have to be royalty per say) that was blessed by the good fairies, I wouldn’t find it hard to believe that they both received those same gifts through blood. Sliver just happens to have more in terms of the gifts, though that’s not to say that Yuu never received them either. Like Yuu’s potential magic, it was more noticeable in one baby than the other. This would follow with the common trope of “twins separated at birth” but instead of the whole separated by miles bit, it’s separated by actual space! Both also get along with the fae pretty well, different reasons but still there.

Anyways, if you read it this far, don’t think about it too much. I feel like I was losing myself here and trying to gather all my braincells on this one shit post. Probably doesn’t help that I’m hella tired but wired at the same time!

Edit: I made this at like 1 in the morning. I feel like I can refine it once I get sleep. X-x

#twisted wonderland #twisted wonderland Silver #thoery

[babydarkstar]

not me finding out via youtube video that ****georgetown professor of law**** madhavi sunder has led a years long campaign advocating about the copyright infringement and stolen intellectual property of kimba vs the lion king and didnt even fully flesh out the research for it like didnt even watch the anime before making claims about it and this woman is like. a professor OF LAW at an IVY LEAGUE

#what is going on

[ad-post-it]

A detailed discussion on the Kimba VS. Lion King conspiracy. Highly informative and entertaining. 10/10.

#kimba the white lion #kimba #the lion king #lion king vs kimba #fandom #disney is evil #yes disney is evil but don't accuse people of shit they didn't do #it just makes you look bad

[majordomo-zazu]

Would Zazu get along with Pauly from Kimba the White Lion?

//Hmm….for some reason I feel like No

#Out of Service Out of Africa (OOC) #//another loud kind of annoying colourful pompous bird advisor to some regal lions? Competition #//even if Zazu is aware that he's basically a carbon copy and Pauly realises he's an objectively worse prototype #//that's where I'm at with the whole Kimba vs controversy thing #//I think a lot of it IS coincidence but there are some striking similarities #//mainly because Kimba was literally a big inspiration for The Lion King and it was I think intended as a remake/inspired by type thing #//but then the legalities got messy and a lot of the major images stuck #//but other than The Lion King being a kind of blatant rip-off....it's also much much better #//like I don't know if anyone here has ever sat down to watch Kimba the White Lion but it suuuucks

[canon-notcanon-warriorcats]

Is Warriors Vs. Tailchaser's Song basically like the cat novel version of The Lion King Vs. Kimba The White Lion

probably but no one actually cares that much

[soyouareandrewdobson]

Andy on Asian Animation or SYAC: The Master Review 2

Let’s talk a bit about anime and Dobson’s work relation with it.

I think we can all agree, that starting from the late 90s and early 2000s on, anime and manga became extremely popular in the western world. Sure, Japanese animation was nothing completely new to us (Speed Racer, Nadia-Secret of Blue Water, Samurai Pizza Cats, Sailor Moon, Kimba and Akira e.g. come to my mind as properties already known in the west before 1995) but it really was around this time that thanks to “mainstream” stuff like Dragon Ball and Pokemon people became aware of how different Japanese animation was from western. Eventually resulting in the really good shit (like Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Kenshin and Heat Guy J) coming over and enriching nerd culture for more than just a few people who knew of it as an obscurity at that point. Now, if you know anything about Dobson, you likely know that his relationship with anime is rather… complicated to say the least. Or, to let him explain it with his own words…

Dobson essentially likes silly and wacky 90s anime. But later on he hated anime in general, because it got too popular and a bad experience with an anime club in college soured his enjoyment of it. Furthermore, he put the blame on his lackluster art style and storytelling capabilities as seen in the likes of Formera, Patty and Alex ze Pirate, on anime in general, while also claiming that Disney pulling the plug on 2D animation is the result of the “anime inspired” Treasure Planet, meaning anime in a sense deprived him of his chance at working at his dream job and “ruining” western animation.

Which to me has always been ignorant as fuck. For starters, I can understand not liking certain stories or genres, either for objective or subjective reasons. But to hate on an entire nation’s form of entertainment (not just individual shows or genres), depriving yourself of the chance of potentially watching a lot of good stuff while also being rather insulting to these other works and people enjoying them? Especially when the stuff you can supposedly “stomach” has been rather simplistic compared to other things?

 Second, blaming Japan for “poisoning” your art style? What, did the ghost of Osamu Tezuka possess you and FORCE you to put sweatdrops on your characters forehead while also going for the rather simplistic character style of Rumiko Takahashi, as well as emulating the slapstick of the likes as Slayers and Ranma ½?

 Next, if he had emulated them successfully, I say he would have actually managed to tell decent enough stories worth to read online. Not create Uncle Peggy aka “Discount Happosai” or the bland proto-Isekai known as Formera.

I mean, let’s give some context here: There have been people who successfully managed to emulate certain anime and manga aesthetics into western animation and make it work. Otherwise we wouldn’t have gotten the likes of Avatar-The last Airbender, Samurai Jack, the Animatrix, Thundercats 2011, Super Robot Monkey Hyperforce Go, Kim Possible, W.I.T.C.H, Megas XLR and Wakfu. You know, shows that are actually awesome as hell.

Heck, Dobson’s favorite animated show of the last decade, Steven Universe, is heavily inspired by anime aesthetics to the point of being embarrassing.

 But Dobson… well, he emulated anime aesthetics in his work the same way as these crimes against animation did.

Combined with his general shortcomings as a storyteller it is no wonder his initial comics did not do well.

 Lastly, and sorry for digressing here a bit, but if the Wikipedia entry on Treasure Planet is something to go by, there was no real inspiration by anime involved in making this movie.

Supposedly the idea of making an animated Treasure Planet in outer space movie was already pitched by Ron Clements WAY BACK in 1985 but only came to be after Michael Eisner greenlighted stuff in the late 90s. Design wise the movie was supposed to look 70% traditional and 30% sci-fi inspired and people took inspiration for the art style by illustrators associated with the Brandywine School of Illustration. A western style of illustration established in the 19th century, that had a big impact on the illustration styles for many 19th and early 20th century adventure novels and short stories.

What, is anime supposed to be the only form of animation allowed to have sci fi elements or steampunk in it? Fucks sake, The Lion King and Atlantis, which came out one year earlier to Treasure Planet, were likely more inspired by anime. Don’t believe me? Watch Atlantis and then a certain anime by Studio Gainax called “Nadia-Secret of Blue Water”. Or read up on the controversy surrounding the two.

The truth is, it is not entirely clear what caused Disney to shut down 2D feature film animation in the early 2000s. In fact, if anything, most people put the blame on Michael Eisner and a certain change in the publics taste in movies in general, combined with Disney trying to turn almost every movie they had into a franchise via cheap follow up movies on video and DVD.

And even if Disney did not shut down, are we really supposed to believe that a certain guy with fedora would have made it big at Disney to the point Alex ze Pirate would have been made into a feature film?

But Dobson could never quite understand this and instead of “reinventing” himself properly, he would rant about anime and its fans in one form or another…

 And on the peak of his hissy fit create this little art piece he baptized Anime Sux. Alternatively “West vs East”. Or as I like to call it, slap a jap.

Now, the pic was done in 2008 and Dobson claimed sometimes in the last decade, that he no longer holds his old opinions. Unfortunately, by that point he would also more or less use the chance to vent in his webcomic about anime (or rather its fans), which brings us finally back to SYAC.

 While Dobson never outright thematized in more detail WHY he hates anime and manga in SYAC (likely cause if his comic reasoning was even slightly like his reasoning in his blogs, people would have torn him apart like a bag of paper) he did use the format to punch down on anime fans and their preferences.

 For example, for someone who has a 4chan story going around of having been rather arrogant towards others in college for not liking Ranma ½, Dobson has THIS little college related comic to show off, where he portrays an aspiring manga artist as a delusional jackass.

Then in this strip titled manga, his manga fan is essentially portrayed as a young woman dressing up like a very stereotypical high school anime girl, who is in the wrong for even just DARING to draw her comics in the direction manga are read.

On one hand, I get Dobson’s point. She could be at risk of alienating a market of readers as she is obviously drawing for a western audience. Then again, if she doesn’t draw a traditional western comic but a manga, why shouldn’t she? I mean, as long as she enjoys it, which I assume she does as she seems genuinely just happy when stating that she likes manga, why not let her? Plus, this comic was drawn in the late 2000s. I think by then most people kinda knew how to read from right to left, so Dobson’s claim she would alienate or confuse people is kinda redundant. If anything I find a) Dobson getting angry at her just very petty (just let her have fun) and b) portraying a western manga fan as someone who would be confused by the sheer idea of reading stuff from right to left is also in itself just really dumb and insulting. What is Dobson trying to imply? That anime fans are so stuck in the way they consume certain media, they can’t act according to “western standards” again?

Then there is this strip where yet another female anime fan is essentially portrayed as the embodiment of how “ignorant” manga fans are of the idea of different art styles...

Which becomes rather laughable once Dobson describes his style as a mixture of European, American and  Japanese. Why? Because he is the one oversimplifying things, rather than the anime fan.

You see while anime and manga of all sorts do share certain aesthetics (like the black and white art style, emphasize on the eyes of characters, the way hair is drawn, recurring tropes within certain genres and so on) style wise (both in art and storytelling) there can be severe differences, depending on the artist alone. Akira Toriyama’s style differentiates significantly from the likes of Eichiro Oda, Rumiko Takahashi, Kentaro Miura, Tezuka, Kaori Yuki and so forth.

The same also goes for many western artists. Herge had a significantly different style from Uderzo and Goscinny. Don Rosa has a different style in which he drew Scrooge McDuck than Carl Barks did. Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee draw mainstream superheroes differently compared to how Jack Kirby, George Perez and others did. Heck, Ethan Van Sciver and Jim Lee were closely associated with Green Lantern in the 2000s and look how they differentiate.

 Which btw is the kind of skill level Dobson would have needed to have, to make it in the mainstream industry

So when Dobson says “I draw in a combination of American, Western and Japanese” all I can think is the following: THAT DOESN’T NARROW IT DOWN! WHAT THE HECK HAVE YOU LEARNT IN COLLEGE ABOUT COMICS? WHICH ARTISTS, WORKS AND STORYTELLERS DO YOU TRY TO EITHER EMULATE OR HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY?

Then there is this little thing…

Where do I even begin? How about the fact that Dobson’s hand in the last panel looks like he has lost a thumb? The fact that the little boy, anime fan or not, is aware of Sae Sawanoguchi, a character from a short lived OVA and anime series from the 90s, which considering his age, I kinda doubt he would be aware off. Unlike Dobson, who got into anime in the 90s and admits in fact within the posts I loaded up earlier, that he had watched the anime in particular, known in the west as Magic User Club.

Then there is the implication by Dobson, that anime is so “corruptive” as a medium, little kids don’t even know the most basic characters in western animation because of it. I expect in a next panel, that all of sudden some 50s PSA guy comes along and lectures me that if I want this kind of thing not to happen at MY convention, I need to teach little kids more about the GOOD western animation, instead of the BAD eastern one. Then there is this rather unflattering portrayal of a shonen ai/shojou ai fangirl…

 Which makes me laugh cause honestly, even some of the worst shonen ai and shojou ai can do better in portraying a “realistic” gay relationship than Patty if you ask me.

Also, as much as I think fangirls can be extremely thirsty (I have read my fair share of extremely stupid yaoi and yuri fanfics) I think that in hindsight Dobson is really not anyone to complain about shipping obsession and sex when he himself has KorraSami, the Ladybug fandom and a certain rat pirate under his floppy belt.

As you can imagine, Dobson would get heat for those comics, considering how he himself has been greatly inspired by anime and manga for his major comics. And while I don’t have any explicit deviantart posts of him reacting to criticism in that regard, I do have this comic which addresses it directly.

 And yeah, if I were schoolgirl number 4, I would just sigh and walk away after telling Dobson that his mistakes and shortcomings are not related to having consumed anime, but rather by what sort of anime (and other stories) he had consumed and the amount of effort he had put in creating his stories instead of emulating just something more popular. Plus, if you really want people to draw more from life, how about drawing more from life yourself down the line? And no, tracing Star Wars movie frames does not count.

Finally, Dobson, considering how very little most people think of your work, I say mission accomplished: People have learnt from your mistakes and know not to be a Dobson.

And at last, there is this comic, which kinda wraps up Dobson’s “vendetta” with anime and manga fans within the pages of SYAC.

By trying to mock anime fans and make them look just as shallow as he is. I at least suppose. Honestly, the message of this comic is rather muddled. On one hand, I would say the strawman accusing Dobson hates anime just because it is popular is very simplified. After all, Dobson has made his reasons for not liking anime clear in a few more details. It’s just that the details in and on themselves in real life are still rather shallow and boil down to a lot of personal bias rather than an objective criticism of actual flaws. Which I think is worth pointing out.

But frankly, what is Dobson trying to say or point out here? That the strawman is not so different or even dumber than him, because he hates Justin Bieber for “shallow” and superficial reasons too?

Okay, this doesn’t quite work as well as Dobson wants. First, the argument Dobson’s strawman makes is in huge parts based on some verified statements Dobson made for not liking anime. Second, he just says a name and that triggers the guy to express his hatred for Bieber. We don’t know why the guy hates Bieber and you could make in fact the case, that he hates him not because he is popular, but because he has a genuine issue with the artist, his work or his behavior as a human being. Third, if you want to make yourself look like the better person Dobson, try to argue with the guy and make solid arguments why you don’t like anime. Instead you just deflect the criticism by changing the subject and then try to make yourself look like the “smarter” person in the room by mocking your critic in the most condescending manner.

Which as I think about it, sounds like your modus operandi on twitter and tumblr.

Weirdly enough, that more or less marks the “end” of Dobson tackling anime fans and the beef he has with them within the pages of SYAC. Despite how much Dobson’s negative reputation especially in early years was build around him hating on anime and belittling its fans, he didn’t really do more afterwards in the Dobson focused pages of SYAC. And mind you, those strips were also separated by other strips in-between, focused on Dobson just being at conventions.

Unfortunately for him, the strips didn’t really help in any way to diminish that negative reputation and instead just confirmed for many, that Dobson can’t handle criticism about his flawed opinion on anime. If anything, it just made people think even less of Dobson, as the strips just painted him as someone who would rather portray his critics as strawman he can be “rightfully” annoyed at, instead of fellow humans with slightly different tastes in entertainment, who are still worth listening to.

So, now that we have the anime fan related “annoyances” out of the way, what other sort of silly problems in making webcomics would Dobson cover in his strips and are “relatable” to everyone?

Lets see some of these examples in the next part.

#anime / manga #manga #Andrew Dobson #fuck you Tom Preston #Tom Preston #syac #so...you are a cartoonist #so you are a cartoonist #review #webcomic #comic #adobsonsartwork #adobsoncomic #adobsonartworks

[pissvortex]

The Lion King is a rip-off of Hamlet vs. The Lion King is a rip-off of Kimba the White Lion vs. The Lion King is a rip-off of The Epic of Sundiata FIGHT

[naradreamscape]

Can you maybe rank the Disney Renaissance animated movies from best to worst? I'm interested in your thoughts!

Hmm...it's been a while since I was really into Disney stuff, but I can definitely put together a tier list. From best to worst:

Beauty and the Beast - This one is the most technically-solid out of the ten Renaissance films. I may be personally biased towards it when I say it has the most rewatch value

The Lion King - This one is also pretty much perfect. I'm obviously on Tezuka's side in the Kimba vs. Simba debacle, but the 1994 Lion King is still very good

Mulan - While some of the film is dated (not in a bad way...it's just very 90s at times), I think it's really, really good. One of my favourite animated films, in fact

The Little Mermaid - I really hate how over-marketed and merchandised Little Mermaid has become in recent decades, because it's otherwise a very charming, artful film. Points deducted for the nightmarish non-sequitur that is "Petit Poisson"

Aladdin - This one is pretty dated to the 90s, too, but it's otherwise a solid, fun film. What the hell was up with that Jasmine/Jafar scene though

The Hunchback of Notre Dame - This movie is SO beautiful but the abundance of the g-word (did Disney actively avoid using any proper Romani terminology?) makes it an uncomfortable watch

Hercules - I really liked this movie as a kid, but it's very flawed, both in being super-90s and also because of how lopsided the story is. The Muses and Phil have the best performances, though

Tarzan - The soundtrack is fantastic, but...all anybody remembers is the soundtrack. Myself included. I remember Rosie O'Donnell played a gay gorilla, though, and the villain got his shit GANKED at the end

The Rescuers Down Under - I really liked this movie as a kid, too, but as an adult I recognize that Rescuers Down Under looks and feels like a direct-to-video Warner Bros. Feature Animation movie

Pocahontas - This has Hunchback's main flaw to the umpteenth level. It has aged horrifically, and the combination of warping true historical events plus the entire song sequence about Indigenous genocide makes it uncomfortable to watch

#anon

[ihopesocomic]

I was so confused with the questions about MP fans until I went on Twitter. Like- wow, this is like the Lion King vs Kimba situation like that one user said in the conversation. This also reminds me of when fans accused you of plagiarism because your main romance contains a light-furred Pride lion and dark-furred prideless lion when there’s not only proof these characters are based on OCs you had before I Hope So (and before My Pride, if I’m remembering correctly, right?) but Kovu and Kiara are a thing. A Pride lion falling in love with a lion outside of their Pride is not an original concept- I seriously have a story that has multiple Pride lions having prideless lions as their mates. Heck, one of these couples is a LGBT+ couple that contain a dark-furred lion, who has a disability, and a light-furred lion. Guess I’m stealing as well? You guys are also open about I Hope So being inspired by My Pride, mainly a My Pride AU, but it’s also inspired by other stories.

Also there’s differences between the claims they used like Nothing got her disability from Quickmane while Hope was born with it. Nothing only has scars over her eye while Hope got permanently half-blind, Hope changed her name, picking it herself, while Nothing keeps her name with Feather going on a speech on how she ‘made it mean more what her mother wanted it to be’. Storm isn’t just a prideless lion like Hover was, she has this whole lore with being a traveler with the moon being the Traveler, something these lions dedicate their lives to. She still lives by rules but they’re rules completely different from Pride lion rules. They’re rules of the Traveler. Also- Storm never even thinks of joining a Pride, while Hope and Adamant leaves on their own terms, not forced out. I was also confused about the screenshot of you patreon like how is that proof? 0-0

Yeah, the screenshot of our Patreon was posted because somebody defending us said "especially if one isn't making money off the project". I believe they were speaking in general rather than referring to our situation but either way: we've made no effort to hide that we have an active Patreon and a Ko-Fi so not really the revelation that individual thought it was.

Like you say: still doesn't prove any allegations of plagiarism. There's been a lot of us explaining how we haven't plagiarised anything and how My Pride itself is far from completely original and just getting 'well, I personally think you have because my simplified grasp on copyright law says so' in response but - again - no concrete evidence.

It's tiring, to be quite honest with you. Secondly: exactly. I even made the argument that Storm's design was made by somebody not associated with the comic all the way back in 2018 and well, all I got back was "yeah there are dozens of grey lion designs around" like... that was... the point... I was trying to make?

Copyright law just doesn't work on a "glancing look" basis. There has to be more to a claim than just superficial similarities, especially similarities as generic as the kind we're discussing here, like two characters having a disability and dealing with oppression. There has to be key elements in the story that have to line up exactly.

Yes, Hope has a disability like Nothing but she's born with it. Yes, she has an offensive name but this is actually NOT based on her disability but her so-called "inability" to listen to her mother. It is changed pretty much immediately, whereas Nothing's is not changed. I don't think I need to go into greater detail because it's already clear that we're dealing with something that has been inspired, rather than copied. Which isn't a criminal offence. And yep, we've always given credit to My Pride, which adds another layer of issues when it comes to copyright infringement. At no point have we argued that this is an original concept that we came up with entirely on our own. We've been completely transparent about that, but some My Pride fans insist on being like this:

And - again - the bottom line is that this is some oddly personal vendetta that these people have against us because... we don't like a show they like. Sorry, but you can't change how copyright law actually works because 'well these people attacked my pride and hurt my feel feels'. It would seem just blocking us and moving on would be a lot less effort but nah, we gotta get these marginalised creators and their project dragged because they criticised something I enjoy and fuck handling these kinds of things maturely. c: - RJ

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[moonstone210]

Something I've learned from the Kimba VS The Lion King controversy.

You can't have an animated series or a movie about animated talking lions that take place in Africa otherwise you're ripping off Kimba, even if you've never heard of Kimba.

#kimba the white lion #the lion king

[natsumebookss]

Let me just say, that post from last night about Madoka-inspired magical girl series is super validating to me because when I first started writing Premiere Nebula, I never wanted to admit it was inspired by Madoka. American writers/companies already receive so many accusations of ripping off Japanese media (Kimba vs. The Lion King, Battle Royale vs. The Hunger Games) that I figured I'd just be another one in a long list if I told people how much Madoka inspired me. But now that I know I'm not the only one, I can take pride in being part of this new wave.

Thank you for all of your support. You have no idea what all of this means to me.

#magia record #premiere nebula #my post

[cuntess-carmilla]

Thinking about Addison Cane trying to own every hetero relationship in the omegaverse (alpha/beta/gamma dynamics) and YourMovieSucksDOTorg's youtube video on the lion king vs kimba the white lion

I'm so glad I have no fucking idea what any of these words mean.

[werewolf-cuddles]

Honestly, the Kimba vs Lion King thing is a perfect example of why you shouldn’t just blindly believe everything you read on the internet.