Peter Parker right after he figures out that The Prowler is Aaron Davis: What?! My FRIEND'S uncle??
Peter Parker right after he figures out that The Green Goblin is Norman Osborn: My friend's DAD?!
Peter Parker right after he figures out The Vulture is Adrian Toomes: my DATE'S dad?!
Peter Parker right after he figures out The Black Cat is Felicia Hardy: my DATE?!
Peter Parker right after meeting Kaine Parker: my CLONE?! this can't get any worse...
Peter Parker right after meeting the Wolf Spider: ME?!
Venom: First Host #1 After the first six kids, Eddie's finally figured out that his kids probably don't want to interact with their father while he's fully nude.
Imagine: For “Spider-Man: No Way Home”, because of the mix-up in the multiverse, Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire, and Andrew Garfield Peter Parkers end up in each other’s universe and are forced to recreate a scene from a different Spider-Man movie.
Tom Holland lands in the cage match with Bonesaw McGraw from Spider-Man 2002. Roman Reigns takes over the role from Macho Man Randy Savage (R.I.P.).
Tobey Maguire lands in the backseat of the car during the “Spider-Man trolls the carjacker” scene from The Amazing Spider-Man.
Andrew Garfield lands in the middle of Liz Toomes’ party from Spider-Man Homecoming. Bonus points if Flash Thompson starts calling him Penis Parker as soon as he arrives.
He’s the greatest guy in the world! And he’s all heart! He performed at a circus for charity last month! He won’t let his loyal fans down!
How can I ever be mad at a fella who feels that way about good ol’ Spidey...even though he hates Peter Parker?
Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 17: “The Return of the Green Goblin!”
lend me your thoughts on Liz&/Harry marriage relationship in as much detail as you would like dear theopolis, perpetual haver of interesting Harry takes
This is the most honorable title I could imagine, thank you
As for Liz and Harry - This is going to be a very biased reading but I chose to mold Marvel's lack of commitment to fleshing out their romance into my own personal interpretation of the text. Meaning I look at them as a pair of repressed gays performing heterosexuality to compensate. They relate to each other over this isolating experience, and mistake that for attraction. Then they speedrun their romantic relationship because they already have a socially constructed idea of how things are "supposed" to be and they're hoping if they follow all those steps they'll end up happy. I want to issue a disclaimer that I don't want to devalue how much they mean to each other. I definitely think they found belonging with one another as well as fulfillment in parenthood. But I also think their relationship, by intent or not, felt rushed and built on the pursuit of an abstract concept.
I've talked about the heavy (if unintentional) gay subtext to Harry's character on this blog before. And I have a similarly easy time picturing Liz as a lesbian, even if it requires a little more liberal interpretation. There's just something about her starting out as the stereotypical popular girl dating the stereotypical jock but showing little interest in her boyfriend and instead developing a comphet crush on a guy who mostly ignores her and is therefore unattainable, then later feeling drawn to a man who is definitely not straight and the two of them getting engaged within ten or so issues of meeting each other as if they're checking it off a list.
Harry is a domestic person who desires stability, and he particularly yearns for a loving family. I feel that would lead to him romanticizing the traditional family model because, well, it's presented as the safest and most desirable option by society. Cue Liz, a woman who seems approachable and interested and up for the whole settling down thing. It's like him to get very attached very quickly and let the intensity of his feelings guide him. So while I'm not sure Harry proposing to Liz after they had been dating for a couple months at best was intended to be a bad decision, it falls in line. I also feel like, in a way, Harry was trying to overwrite his past by creating a happy "perfect" family despite not being ready to take that step on an emotional level. Add in his fear of being vulnerable and you got a recipe for disaster. Harry's family begins falling apart when he's forced to confront his unresolved trauma and repressed feelings, and the more he desperately tries to keep up the facade the more cracks begin to show.
One issue that stands out to me in regards to Harry's ideas about his role as a husband and father is Spectacular #189. The bigger the problem grows, the more he doubles down on trying to cover it up and stay in denial and lean into the "provider and protector" archetype. And he's hurting both himself and his family in the process, trying to act out this hollow idea of an idyllic dinner while they're literally trapped with him.
(Interestingly he also accuses Peter, aka Mr Gay Awakening himself, of "invading the sanctity of his family" when he shows up)
So in conclusion: Harry and Liz do love each other but they rushed into a lot of big commitments which, regardless of whether you see that love as ultimately platonic or romantic, and regardless of what you think their respective sexualities are, was not that great of a move and, coupled with all the repression going on, led to many unaddressed, unresolved issues which later ended up destroying their relationship.
I know they get back together at one point after Harry's revival, and I'm not categorically against that, but I like the idea of them being exes who are very close friends and are doing their best to be good parents more. Guess that's just my gay agenda though