The problem isn't multishipping, the problem is that if everyone hypes tuck up, they're not going to do buddie bc then they'll argue they've fulfilled the fandoms need. I get it, I do, but I don't agree with u and I just need ppl to understand why it's a problem. I know it's shipping and I know it's for fun but actions have consequences and I feel like people don't know what they're doing and clearly have no idea how hard we fought to even get bi buck.... That's all. But is OK if u don't agree with me too
Listen im gonna keep this short. There’s no way Buddie can get overridden by other ship, queer or straight. It’s too massive, too imposing. I mean take a look at the asks I get telling me to fuck off bc I even mentioned Tommy lmao.
Tim Minear knows what type of relationship we see between Buck and Eddie, and at the end of the day he’s the man running the show, not the actor, not the network, not even us.
They can’t throw them in a mixer and suddenly put them both as queer on the same episode, same day, same realization. They may not be real but they’re telling a story, and it has to be plausible. If you ask me I think eventually they’ll make it canon, today just feels different than the last six seasons.
Hyping bucktommy up won’t do much more than maybe keep the character around, or take longer or a different route in their relationship. Either way, love, canon bi Buck is a huge accomplishment, and right now that’s what we should focus on. It’s a huge win regardless of any ship.
Here, dear @bryverros just make me think too much about this lmao
So... Is Zuko Disney Princess coded? Let's see.
He's canonically part of a royal family, so the title is there, no marriage needed.
He has superpowers (firebending) and a particular ability his really good at (swordfighting), you know like Elsa with ice and Mérida with archery.
Another thing he has in common with Mérida is the fact he doesn't agree with his father about stuff and he doesn't know how to shut up about it (:
He got the evil parent AND the evil sister (at least Cinderella was adopted)
He talks to animals (yk the frog thing), animals trust him too (Appa), and he got a magical pet (Ruk).
He had an incredible glow up.
Let's say that Iroh is his fairy godmother, gives him good advice, helps him prepare for his dates and always reminds him that he is a prince even at his lowest.
He is fighting for his honor (I mean, if you told the guy he would get back his honor going to the matchmaker, he would've been first in line, doing way better than Mulan with the tea thing)
He would cry looking at his reflection while this verse sounds in the background "If I wear a mask, I can fool the world, but I cannot fool my heart".
Being Lee for a month show him that he was meant to fulfil his role as a part of the royal family (customer service/domestic work does that to people)
He got a love interest that fell for him with zero knowledge about who he was: his title or his past or real identity, so if you want to eat up the classic Disney princess romance. There you go.
He goes through the tantrums, emotional rollercoasters and "the world hates me" moments like a pro.
The change of heart moment happens to him as it happens to most disney princess, and it defines his destiny. So point checked.
He went into a life changing adventure with the first cute and friendly guy that stood in front of him (I'm not even explaining more about this).
He gets the throne at the end of the show (in this point we only got Elsa, and I'm sure Zuko also considered moving to the forest after being Fire Lord for a year, but his sister wasn't as reliable as Anna).
His canon love interest is a childhood love that ended up saving his life and that's so princess coded that there's no need to give an example, it just makes sense.
I think there are things I'm not addressing, but for now this is enough to conclude that... yeah, he is sooo princess coded.
it's less of a theory and more just derangement, and a specific angle of viewing the story. but smth i think that is crucial to how i see the story and something that i think is too-often deemphasized in the fandom, regardless of how much you buy into the derangement lmao, is that c!discduo is not...really a standalone relationship. i mean it is, but in just as many ways it isn't...and the reason why the finale and you know, an actual conversation between the two of them takes so long to get to is precisely because it was overshadowed by the third component of their whole deal. are you following? does this make sense? i dont know.
c!dream + c!tommy are one side of a triangle that supports quite literally everything abt their whole central conflict and narrative, with the third part being, well, c!wilbur. and the c!wilbur-c!tommy-c!dream of it all is quite understandably easy to miss, but it's also what i think leads to some of the most striking differences in c!dream and c!tommy interpretations, not to mention the story as a whole. c!wilbur's relationship with c!dream and c!tommy separately AND together is critical to the ways that the two characters develop and how their conflict evolves--i'd say that that's more just. canon, than a theory. but how far you extend that is where it kinda delves into different interpretations of canon, you know?
but it's just like ... when the whole fucking point of that last stream, the whole damn crux of it is when tommy says "i thought you were just a villain" and dream replies with "i am and i always have been" and the whole damn POINT is that these viewpoints were never true to begin with, when what dream throws to tommyinnit is a picture of lmanburg, when the shit that they have to dismantle to reach out at the end of the fucking world is the hero/villainisms that have DEFINED THEIR STORY independently AND together, it's like. look . when the story is like dismantling the literal source of their conflict and c!wilbur's fingerprints are all over the damn thing, it feels a Little reductive to see the conversation so consistently happen without even invoking his name, you know?
I really don't care about whatever someone ships or doesn't & I do believe you that it's not meant shippy & I think that's fine, because it's fiction so you can make up a bond between whoever you like however you like. But that goes for everyone else alike.
Art will be interpreted as soon as you look at it not after digging for the artist's own opinion, so I can't say I'm surprised that people look at it and think it's shippy first. Sure, some were annoying about it I grant you that, but I think it's because it simply comes of hypocritical to act like a ship interpretation is nuts when the art simply does look like that on first glance.
The average MP100 viewer will not interpret a familial bond between these two characters who canonically barely interacted, but you did. (& more power to you) Maybe your average follower will not interpret a romantic implication in your artworks, but others will. (& more power to them)
I really don't think people lack parental love to see it shippy, I think people simply expect parental love between, well, a parent and their child. Not someone you personally declared to be a "weird uncle" to a girl he barely knows. I didn't even want good night kisses from my actual "weird uncle" as a kid idk man.
Again, I don't see the slightest issue with the platonic relationship you make up for them. I just also get where the romantic interpretations are coming from.
Your uncle/niece interpretation sincerely is farther removed from canon than ship interpretations are from your artworks.
Interesting message so I'll answer this genuinely.
To start off: I Never once implied that it was crazy that other people would interpret this as romantic at first glance. I quite literally said that I understood the confusion because these two barely interacted in canon. Which is why Im always happy to explain my intentions. Experiences vary so what one considers normal may not be normal to someone else: I'm very much aware of this but y'all clearly aren't.
When it gets to the point where people say "this artist drew that AND said it wasn't shipping even though we can obviously tell theyre delusional and in denial", that's where the problem is. I provide an explanation, that explanation gets ignored, people either answer "lmao just admit it" or they treat me as if I'm the worst person alive and they refuse to accept they must've been wrong about their interpretations. They proceed to openly "discuss" this (by just mocking me repeatedly, nothing constructive) in a public space where they think I can't see it almost as if they forget I'm an actual person who can come across these messages at any time.
What others ship or don't ship is none of my concern, I stay away from circles I dislike. But when people constantly attempt to force me into "admitting" I'm into something that I have zero interest in out of malicious intent, then naturally it'll annoy me.
I'm sure you didn't really mean to imply that I was merely outraged at the thought of someone interpreting this as romantic if they didnt know every single thing about my headcanons which is why I'm answering you sincerely. So please forgive me for assuming the ones who compared a peck on the cheek to some nonsense like "platonic breastfeeding" have never experienced any sort of familial love growing up 💜
I would like to hear about Canon Sabo x modern Sabo please 🙏
This would imply that canon MAS all kicked the bucket tho LMAO but thats okay they get reverse isekaied into the modern world instead and meet their modern selves and its really dumb but also sexy bc i say so
Canon Sabo is taller than his modern counterpart, like they all have a slight difference compared to their canon self
Modern Ace is still shredded by modern standards but canon Ace is like built like a greek god marble statue level perfect musculature like the kind that is physically impossible to obtain IRL, he also has softer hair and more freckles
Modern Marco is just as tall as his canon self but his hair is streaked with grey and its a duller blonde colour, he still has a chest tattoo but its a different design entirely with an anchor as the focal point (trying to keep the same shape language of the wbp tattoo lol)
Modern Sabo is shorter than his canon self by a few centimetres, he’s also leaner more bean sprouty but just as mouthy, his scarring mostly covers his face and shoulder and not the entire left side of his body like canon, his hair is also curlier
Anyway… canon Sabo falling exactly on top of his modern self and immediately pins him, chokes him out like who the fuck are you why do you look like me!? Face stealer!? What devil fruit is this??? Paranoia, he died he thinks who is this? Why is he behaving like that? (Afraid, panicked) but relinquishes his chokehold on himself just to hear him out because its not often you look into a mirror and see horror, fear
Modern Sabo spits out a curse and decks him, throws a punch for the first time in his life because if this is a dream it wont hurt and holy fuck its like punching a brick wall and his wrist and knuckles and everything hurt but the other. Self of him the bigger one is smirking like hes totally okay with getting punched in the face and hes just??? Who the fuck are you to come here and choke ME out im just living in my fuckin house man
So in actuality this isn't an official AU I'm working on by any means....... but I drew the BETA designs for Kokichi and Kurochi in Twins AU, back when it was just a couple of out of order fics posted on Ao3? Sort of as a patient Zero on the designs. Except I wanna show the art off so I was like "I need to bullshit an AU--oh! Dead Rochi AU, perfect!"
Anyway this AU isn't real and cannot hurt me. It's not real and cannot hurt me... The twins must always be together...
Ahem.
Canon Kokichi's cape is the most boring of all, sadly...
Still, in an AU where Kurochi died when he was 12, Kokichi would look like his canon self and Rochi as a ghost would probably mirror him. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
Phantom Thieves AU Ouma Twins Reference Sheet
No u do NOT get to see Kokichi without his cape and mask, because I'm lazy. I've also gotten too lazy to separate the twins out into their own files so please forgive me I am Tired.
The back of Kokichi's outfit looks exactly like Rochi's so there's no need to really show it off here, right? I--FUCK. ROCHI'S LEG DOESN'T HAVE THE BLACK STRAPS ON THE BACK POSE. Ah well they're supposed to be there but I cannot be fucked.
Also remember how I was like "What if D.I.C.E. had a masquerade theme instead of a clown theme? This is the result of that. Kind of. It's actually the result of me putting the canon Twins AU cape on this old Twins AU redesign and putting on the P5AU persona mask for Kokichi on too, making a very interesting design! The hat was tackled on at the end to make it look real PT like.
Not really an official AU or anything, just for funsies and I didn't want to let these designs go to waste so I repurposed them.
Persona 5 Awakened Ouma Twins Reference Sheet
Okay so these designs have some themes I wanna talk about!
Kokichi's theme of rebellion is "Prince meets Robin hood, decides that eating the rich is a good idea, becomes new Robin Hood." Which is a bit of a mouthful but it fully explains Kokichi's design for the P5AU. He's from a wealthy family that he hates, and he wants to punish the rich bastards who hurt people by giving them a Change of Heart. Kokichi's cloak is themed after the phases of the moon and a bird chasing after the guiding star.
Kurochi's theme of rebellion is about reclaiming the childhood he never had. He's supposed to look like an extremely goofy, cartoon spy with his mask literally being those gag spy glasses and having a prop newspaper that probably has eye holes in it. He's even got a utility belt and everything. People often forget what his mask looks like when they haven't seen it in a while and they get shocked and laugh each time.
This AU is the only AU currently where the Twins don't actually match one another--and it's because it's their inner selves making the outfits that are fitting for their rebellion.
Bonus:
He looks so much more like a phantom thief here LMAO.
I'm sincerely very happy for anyone who is enjoying the show but every time I see takes that the show has improved the book characterizations or that the book characters are underdeveloped in comparison to the show...
i'm not a shipper at all this campaign but i stil had to draw this moment, can't help but have a soft spot for sapphics lol
also imogens clothes are so difficult to draw man, why does she wear like three layers of shirt, you're already gay you don't need to prove it with your clothes.(for legal reasons i'm joking imogen dress as gay as you want girl)