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miss-sweetea-pie · 7 months
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 I feel like most fans of zutara know and believe in the Oma and Shu parallels and how it all very zutara coded. But I just been thinking about how Omashu is like a ship name and zutara is a ship name. And then later in Lok they build a new city called… “republic city?”. Ohh lame.
But What if they named that shit zutara?
Sure they could have named it K.ataang but like that, just doesn’t sound as catchy personally. Zutara sound like some planet, also not to mention zutarians sound like a martian to me.
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cold-neon-ocean · 1 year
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Dragon AU Kuvira and Baatar and the singular braincell they hold between themselves as they try to figure out how kissing works with these face shapes LOL
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taonpest · 9 months
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howhow326 · 13 days
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Sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy that a show that I loved with my hearts content when I was 7 but then moved on from has come back in full force and now the whole world is telling me Look, look! That thing you loved from the before times has risen from the grave and it demands you love it more and obsess over it more from now until the day you breath your last!!!
I guess, what I'm really trying to say is Hama was right.
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zincbot · 8 months
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man i think the amon plotline is just kind of weak in terms of world building
#lok#i've seen posts discussing this with more nuance#but it's still so soon after the hundred year war#republic city is new too. only a generation old. majority of its population are either 1st or 2nd generation immigrants#or earth kingdom citizens or fire nation colonists who built what became the city during the war#and the way that bending is distributed among the population of every nation is entire random. it's an odd choice to mark it as a dividing#a dividing line. because every bender has family that are nonbenders and vice versa#and! add to that that unless you are trained just being born a bender isn't an intrinsic leverage over a nonbender. untrained benders#and benders without a lot of power exist. able to do party tricks and not much more#it likens to. people who's bodies are more naturally built to handle manual labour. it's just genetics and random luck#of course there could be interesting ways to tackle bender and nonbender dynamics especially with the religious significance of bending#and in mixed cultures how bending being passed on can be a surrfire way you are truly seen as carrying on that side of your culture#and it could be interesting seeing the culture shift as republic city is the first place to have such a wide mix of different cultures#in things like food and festivals#but a nonbender revolution (especially led by a bender like amon) is odd. like what is the goal of the revolution#bending and nonbending people can't be seperated in any meaningful way. and there are already laws and rules#prohibiting destructive bending use just as there are regular destruction#it's just. the revolution seeks to remove bending from the world. that's obviously a wild thing to say with cultures built around and with#bending as a part of them. add that to the fact that benders can be born from non-bending families and it just falls apart.
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pussyhoundspock · 1 year
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okay so the thing about kuvira is like. sure she wants to brainwash her citizens and put them into work camps. but who amongst the earth nation rulers in the last two centuries did not also want to do those things. 
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casteliacityramen · 23 days
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Munday Tuesday Lore Post - Unovan Kingdoms and Wars
| Light and Dark Stones |
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Pictured: Icirrus City Museum of History
Twin Heroes
At the end of a struggle for independence from the Paldean Empire, two human brothers arose from the chaos to bring an end to Paldean rule in the region. 
These two brothers were heralded as the Twin Heroes, backed by an all powerful dragon. 
The brothers agreed that they needed to be ready in the potential event of another invasion. The Twin Heroes dreamed of a unified nation, leading to them split their dragon and travel eastward and westward to strengthen their numbers.
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In the West, the Vidraco Kingdom started as a conglomerate of various tribes indigenous to the region. Composed of draconic cultures of harsh lands, they came to recognize the strength of the Hero of Ideals.
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In the East, the Vellumblanc Kingdom combined the native population with the remnants of Paldean and Kalosian colonists. Benevolently led by the Hero of Truth, Vellumblanc flourished as a contender for world trade. 
The First Unovan Civil War
When the brothers met again after twenty years, in what is now known as Relic Castle, they disagreed with each others’ methods and ideologies. In the name of their kings, the people of Vidraco and Vellumblanc fought a bloody five-year war before an armistice was signed.
With no clear winner, both kingdoms believed that they lost. Vellumblanc and Vidraco were ravaged, with social and economic livelihoods taking a downturn. Ten years of misery passed, ending with the untimely demise of both kings, distraught as their dream of a unified region fell apart.
The Second Unovan Civil War
The kingdoms and dragons were inherited by the Twin Heroes’ sons, both of whom grew restless at the inaction of their fathers post-armistice. In their inexperience, the new kings disregarded their advisors and continued the war. Although a breaking of armistice means the continuation of the first war, this new conflict is still considered by most to be the second Unovan Civil War.
Not long after the fighting began, the commonwealth of each kingdom paid a higher price in food, resources, and population in order to continue the fight. The people of these two kingdoms, no longer enchanted by the benevolence of their old kings, had enough of the conflict. A new middle faction was born from insurgency and rebellion, with the main driving force being none other than the draconic shell left behind of Reshiram and Zekrom's split: Kyurem.
Vidraco and Vellumblanc, slowly hemorrhaging their citizens to this new united faction, couldn't fight each other and an insurgency at the same time. Before long, both kingdoms crumbled and the Unovan Republic rose from their ashes.
Most of the events of the second civil war are shrouded in mystery. While each kingdom regarded the preservation of history to be paramount, much of it was lost. Traces of the times are strewn about everywhere, with little to be gained from carved stones, written parchment, or glyphs on the walls of Relic Castle and the Abyssal Ruins…
… and that’s by design. 
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Just as the Order intended. 
Head Scholar and Triumvir Lok
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(A big thank you to @ask-the-royal-absol, @lightofunova, @lustrous-dawn, @sinnohsiblings and @askcapital for listening / providing input in naming the countries and figuring out the colors for these banners (you should hopefully already be following them!))
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jyndor · 1 month
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oh my god
a show written by white us americans for us american kids, while often spot on with its anti-imperialism, is not actually the end all be all for how occupied and marginalized peoples can respond to their oppression and genocide. weirdo.
full disclosure I have my problems with the portrayals of jet and hama for this exact reason that i have previously written about here. because ultimately the gaang represent "good" resistance - mostly defensive/nonviolent. jet represents "bad" resistance, namely violent property damage that would have caused civilian casualties if sokka hadn't warned them. and hama, who thanking this op didn't bring up, is supposed to show how trauma can make a person do terrible things but really it just feels like a racist, misogynistic way to both sides colonialism and imperialism.
now unless I'm misremembering the story (I am not) that episode took place in the earth kingdom. why were those innocent fire nation civilians so close to the valley that jet was trying to protect? why was he worried about them encroaching on that valley enough to destroy the dam?
because they were settlers. the fire nation was trying to defeat and occupy the entire world, of course their settlers weren't just innocent civilians, they played a role like all settlers do in all conflicts. and jet and his freedom fighters were all displaced by the fire nation. they were refugees.
in the end, the gaang may have their problems with jet's tactics but they still mourn him and understand that he is RESISTING oppression, and not that he is the same as his oppressor.
katara is UNIQUELY empathetic and decent at times. during the painted lady, she makes it clear that she wants the liberation of ALL - including her oppressors who are also victimized by fire nation imperialism (and capitalism lbr). she sees the class dynamics in the fire nation, sees how they harm the villagers of jang hui. how the military industrial complex poisons fire nation citizens - literally. the problem is that they are happy to take her help when they think she is one of them, but when she reveals herself to be a waterbender, they turn away from her in their racist, xenophobic disgust.
the truth is that katara's form of universal liberatory politics is just one form of resistance against oppression. sometimes atla veers into making it seem like the only acceptable form of resistance, which is quite convenient for the white us americans who wrote the show.
one of atla's main ideas is that imperialism harms everyone, including the beneficiaries of imperialism. it was also written in the early to mid 2000s during the so-called war on terrorism, and with a us american audience in mind. so no I am not surprised that jet isn't seen in a totally positive light, nor am I surprised that the fire nation is occasionally presented in a "not all fire nation" way. it still posits that those innocent civilians are racist/colonizers and frankly complicit in many ways for what the fire nation is doing abroad.
this is why jet isn't a villain, he's just a complicated character. why he is made a martyr. why katara mourns him even if she's angry with him.
as for whether or not katara would condemn hamas... I'm not sure it matters. movements regularly have infighting and disagreements on tactics. even so, atla is a TV show. palestine is a real place with real people who have tried all kinds of forms of resistance. nothing is ever good enough for supporters of the settler colonial project of israel because the point is never, ever to live together in peace. two state solution? where do you see that in atla? if ANYTHING the show calls for pluralism and freedom of movement for all. for an end to nation states and nationalism, as well as preservation of all cultures. liberation for all.
I can't speak to the mess of the comics or lok because I don't care about those but if we're just talking about atla... come on. it's free palestine.
also nice false equivalency between the free palestine movement as a whole and hamas, which is just one part of the movement. racist dipshit genocide apologist.
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karlyuchka · 12 days
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ATLA isn't that great at showing the reality of war and you are ready for this conversation.
You can call me biased for this post, but whatever. I've been silent for too long.
It's certainly better than a lot of other shows, but fans often overestimate how good it actually is. It's excellent at showing more simple things like people getting hurt and traumatized because of war, but when it gets to more complicated things it's not that good.
In the show we got two people opposing to the fire nation. TWO. (Technically more because Jet wasn't alone, but you get what I'm saying). And they're BOTH antagonists. It's great to show that anger can blind you, but couldn't they make at least one character who wasn't somehow affiliated with Gaang who was against Fire nation and was in positive light? It kinda sucks. Also it doesn't make sense that Hama could actually attack military men and she just didn't. Why? She could attack civilians AND military and it could have been much better.
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Then we get an entire arc to show that fire citizens aren't that bad, they're also people and they're also victims, blah, blah, blah... And the idea isn't entirely bad, but it was shown like they're just all innocent and can't affect what's happening in their kingdom? If the show authors wanted to show something positive about Fire citizens wouldn't it be better to show that there are some opposition to Fire Lord or something? But no, we get episodes about how the citizens are prohibited to show their true selfs because they can't breakdance and we get propaganda mentioned a little. Obviously it's a kids show and demanding to show 100% how war works is dumb, obviously the writers have to tone it down a little, but it still kinda sucked. This is actually why it's my least favourite season. Like, it looked like literally no one in Fire nation was against war? The opposition wasn't mentioned even in the comics? HUNDRED YEARS war and Fire citizens didn't even try to do anything? This fire school arc just made me despise Fire nation more because it looks like they just don't give a damn. (Don't start on "they're being brainwashed by propaganda". If propaganda is enough to convince you that killing is good than you were never good in the first place).
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Jet was portraied extremely weird in Ba Ding Se too. Like... Fire nation is occupying Earth nation, killing and abusing civilians. Jet sees two fire benders in the most secured city. One of them was a war general who actually had this exact city under six hundred days siege. OBVIOUSLY he would try to arrest them. Who wouldn't? Who knows what they're doing there? Why would he believe that they don't want to do anything malicious? But show portraits it like some sort of obsession. Like he was crazy and in the wrong, like "they're not hurting anybody and he's nagging them and wants them arrested for no reason". Jet was being completely logical.
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At the end of the show Iroh keeps his tea shop in Ba Sing Se??? What??? The same city he had under siege? And he names it "Jasmine dragon". DRAGON. The literal symbol of Fire nation. HUNDRED YEAR war just ended, I refuse to believe that citizens were completely fine with it.
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And in "Legend of Korra" we find out that Fire nation still has an army? It got much smaller, but still it was pretty powerful? After hunder year war? How? WHY?
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It's also extremely weird that in LOK they explored goddamn ANARCHISM, but not how Fire nation is treated after the war? It looked like nobody even remembers it. It was mentioned like three times in the series.
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Also I read the comics and the creation of Republic city was weird af. Kuvira was terrible, but she was right at one thing: Republic city belongs to Earth kingdom. There was a lot of resistance. In comics this colony was still full of Earth civilians and culture. It wasn't completely mixed. And the argument to not returning the colony to Earth kingdom was literally "we've been colonizing this territory for so long that it can't be yours anymore" wich is dumb. It becomes even dumber when you remember it wasn't the only colony like that. It was mentioned that it was ONE OF THE OLDEST colonies. Which means there were colonies where fire culture was even more integrated. Then why weren't those colonies also turned into "something completely new"? And the resistance stopping resisting was really weird. They were extremely enthusiastic and determined and then just stopped because the Avatar came and told them "protect people, not borders"???
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In conclusion: "Avatar" has a lot of flaws which are caused by "love everyone" mindset, wich isn't bad at it's core, but sometimes you gotta hate. And some flaws are caused by writers' inability to understand war and what comes after. The series are amazing, and comics too, but people tend too overlook a lot of mistakes.
Thanks for reading
(no one's reading allat💀)
Also if you disagree, it's completely fine, just know that I will not argue about it. It's my opinion that I thought about for a very long time and I will not change it.
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jessfandrawer · 3 months
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Have any Jinko headcanons 👀?
Hmm, no one's really asked for my headcanons before... 🤔 Apologies if this runs long. It's mostly Jin's side of things too, since we know a lot about Zuko already.
Jin is technically a war refugee, but was too young to remember much about fleeing to Ba Sing Se. In her mind, she'd never truly lived anywhere else. She'd never met a firebender before "Li" (Lee?), and hadn't had any bad experiences with the Fire Nation (that she remembered) until Azula seized control of the city.
The one, short AtLA comic where Jin appeared is not canon to me; I don't think they saw each other again before the war ended. Jin was hurt by Zuko running off, so she stayed away from the teashop. When she had the courage to go back, "Li" and "Mushi" no longer worked there. She dated around a bit, had one or maybe 2 serious relationships, but always found herself comparing them to that one memorable date.
Jin found out who Zuko really was by seeing an illustration of his face on a news bulletin or announcement poster. This comic I drew happens.😆 Zuko convinces the Earth King to make the Firelight Fountain a protected landmark.
After they officially decide to date (unless you take the reunite as elders after a lifetime apart track), they keep it secret until having what amounts to a "vacation-only relationship" wears on them. Zuko then invites Jin to stay at the Fire Palace for a spell. She loves it, but struggles to be accepted by the Fire Nation upper-crust (she wins them over). As Fire Lady, I think her strengths would be: diplomacy (with the Earth Kingdom especially), supporting refugees and impoverished citizens, and helping the Fire Lord loosen up.
Jin takes on many different jobs across her young adult years, but eventually decides to become a ceramics artist. Zuko helps with her pieces sometimes.🔥
As a final aside, I don't ascribe to the "Jin is Mako and Bolin's grandmother" theory. For one, her name is Yin, not Jin, and remembering Jin's name is as easy as popping on Tales of Ba Sing Se. If the LoK production team truly intended for them to be the same person, there's no excuse for the name mix up. And secondly, being a wildly devoted Earth Kingdom royalist is not the future I'd prefer for Jin.
Thanks for asking, @pedanticat ! Most of this isn't very cute, whoops.😅
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badgermolebender · 4 months
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I so desperately want a massive political history of The Earth Kingdom. If I could have any other thing from the world of ATLA/LOK — book, show, comic, game — it would be that. Bc I am so interested in it.
🚨 Spoilers for every thing — Yangchen and Kyoshi books, ATLA, LOK, Comics, etc. 🚨
The earliest we hear about an actual Earth Kingdom and Earth Royal family is in F.C. Yee’s Yangchen books. At this point, the Earth Kingdom has just gone through a civil war, wherein the White Lotus manipulated the Water Tribes and Fire Nation to sponsor a challenger to the throne, which is wild. The challenger was defeated and the Earth Kingdom entered a period of intense isolationism. There are a handful of port cities where foreign trade is allowed, with incredibly powerful governors who actively manipulate the system to build their wealth at the expense of the citizens. The Earth King is paranoid af, to the point that he is donning disguises and sneaking around to catch plots against him. And some of these governors are actively plotting against him and inventing new weapons of mass destruction (combustion benders) in order to usurp him.
The next we see of the Earth Kingdom is in the Kyoshi novels were it’s a devolved mess of warlordism. Various daofei groups had taken over parts of the inner provinces and the Earth Monarch was incredibly weak. There’s also the whole Wars of Secrets and Daggers scramble for the throne, which is only mentioned.
According to the Wiki, in the online comic Escape from the Spirit World, Kyoshi pressured the ineffective 46th Earth King to adopt a constitutional monarchy in order to prevent further oppression. This occurred in the aftermath of a peasant revolt that occurred after the death of Chin the Conquerer.
Avatar Legends then gives us a King Jialun, who reversed many of the progressive changes of this constitution and murdered the sages who agreed with Kyoshi in “The Night of the Silenced Sages.” The government was recorrupted, but no other successor had the same power as Jialun. So the Earth Kingdom monarchy was corrupt but weak.
Then we next see the Earth Kingdom with King Kuei (the 52nd Earth King). According to the old website, he ascended to the throne at the age of 4, which is why Long Feng — who served as regent — was able to essentially takeover.
But based on what we see in the show, the Earth Kingdom has completely splintered. The Earth King only has power in Ba Sing Se, and that power is only ceremonial. He is unaware of the 100 year war and completely inept to rule. Then it’s Azula and the fire nation takeover.
In the comics that come between ATLA and LOK, King Kuei, without the influence of Long Feng, takes an active role in the governance of the Kingdom. He is willing to go to war over the colonies in “The Rift,” but is also willing to be shown wrong. He was instrumental in the peace after the war and fully restored the monarchy as the full power of the Earth Kingdom government.
Then we get to LOK. Hou Ting is a fairly powerful, incredibly corrupt monarch. She tried to exert more control over the people, especially the outer provinces. She’s then killed by Zaheer. The power vacuum is ultimately filled by Kuvira, a non-dynastic dictator who rules by force and sponsors brain washing and the forced removal of Fire and Water nation descendants. The next dynastic ruler is Wu (whom Kuvira had usurped). He is Hou Ting’s great-nephew, and at least third in line from her. He is the only surviving member of the dynasty and seems unprepared to rule at his coronation, after three years of living in Republic City.
After the whole Kuvira thing is taken care of (Book 4 of LOK), Wu then decides to abdicate and democratize the Earth Kingdom. The post-canon comics (Ruins of Empire) show the struggles and setbacks of this, but ultimately reaffirm this path.
And I am so obsessed with this whole history. There are, according to the Wiki, at least 2 dynasties, the Hao and the Hou Ting. It resembles Chinese history, but doesn’t just follow it. There’s dynastic decline and really interesting incidents that I wish were more fully fleshed out. Not to mention as the centralized monarchy weakens, you see the rise of local powers, like the King of Omashu. I just find the whole thing so fascinating and I wish I had a comprehensive book.
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cosmicdraghon · 2 years
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(I decided to make a separate post for this)
I’ve seen some negative comments about Jujinta’s design on Reddit after being reposted by a user, so here is the process I went through with his look.
The Dawn of Yanchen, Chapter: Exposure:
“𝘐𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘯 𝘶𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘣𝘰𝘸. 𝘑𝘶𝘫𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘪𝘵 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥, 𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘭𝘦𝘹𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘳𝘪𝘱 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘥𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘪𝘧 𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘶𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘵.
“𝘠𝘰𝘶’𝘳𝘦 𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘢𝘵𝘩 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘸, 𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘯’𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶?” 𝘠𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥. “𝘈 𝘵𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘰.” 𝘍𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘱𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘴, 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘴𝘦, 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘴, 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧-𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘦𝘹𝘪𝘭𝘦.
“𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵.” 𝘑𝘶𝘫𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘢 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘤𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘶𝘱 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘸. 𝘐n 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘦𝘢𝘱𝘰𝘯 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘱𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦, 𝘰𝘳 𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘰𝘯𝘦, 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘦𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘢 𝘥𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵.”
Jujinta was an Fire Nation marksman who took on a self-imposed exile after killing his brother. He had also taken an oath not to use a bow and arrow as it’s stated in the later quote of the book.
It implies that he could have belonged to The Yuyan Archers or part of the family of Uzuku Yuyan. Tho we don’t know if they existed in Yangchen’s Era but it was a great detail to read!
If we took a look at Yuyan Archers in Atla, they are dark-skinned and wear dark tones of red.
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Yuyan Archers are heavily inspired by Korean history as their bow “Gak-gung" (In Korean 角弓, and English ”horn bow“). If you want to learn more about this sport, here is an interesting Page that explains more about its history!
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For the outfit, here are some references that I used for Jujinta’s clothes
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So, yes. Fire nation’s citizens are a combination of light and dark-skinned folk. A huge place with lots of different islands, therefore different groups of people. Several characters in Atla and Lok are an example of it. (Sidao, the Sun Warrior, P'li, Yuyan Archers, Combustion man among others.)
So I hope this small behind scenes of my Character design has been entertaining! I love every single character of The Dawn of Yangchen and The Kyoshi Novels. I try to portray their personalities and background in one picture as best as I can. They deserve it after all!
To my friends on Reddit: It’s art, enjoy :)
And don’t forget to read DoY!! It’s an incredible book!!
(If y'all like this, I can make more with the rest of the Team Avatar (DoY and RokSok)
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the-hopefulpenguin · 5 days
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Commentary on this exchange from The Isoru Airlift?
Excerpt from Princess Ursa’s Remarks to Republic City Press Corps:
“We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the United Republic in opposing abuses of human dignity and defending the rights of citizens, wherever they may be. But we cannot send Fire Army troops into the Earth Kingdom. To do so would revive the memory of the Hundred Year War, fuel the grievances which empower warlords and genocidaires, and undermine any hope of a lasting peace.”
Republic City Gazette: Fire Nation Refuses Military Support to Isoru Evacuation, Citing Escalation Risk
Yue Bay Times: BETRAYAL! Fire Nation Princess Stabs Brother in Back
Star of Teyana: FINE, WE’LL DO IT OURSELVES: Sixteen retired officers make the case for the war, exclusive on page 3.
The Times of Caldera: United Republic, Fire Nation, “Shoulder-to-Shoulder” for International Peace, Says Princess Ursa
Equality Now: Arrogant Fire Nation Once Again Abandons United Republic
Iroh,
You won’t be surprised to hear I’ve been following the news closely. I think I can help.
A. Sato.
Isoru! The fic I really ought to get back to and a setting I am keen to talk about, so thank you for the ask! There’s a few different components in this, so apologies if the reply rambles a little.
First, ref: Ursa’s remarks, I think there’s some commentary on both the context of including it, and the content too. On context, I wrote this with a bit of an eye towards the sort of role a member of the Fire Nation royal family might have in a crisis situation. My sense was that while Ursa is not a professional diplomat, as a very visible symbolic representative of her country, she has particular utility in public diplomatic efforts (this leaves aside the liaison value-add of her brother being the UF military C-in-C, of course). Hence, it felt appropriate to have a major intervention in the narrative come via comments to press.
Regarding the context of her remarks, the language is quite modern/real world in some respects (“We therefore, here in Britain, stand shoulder to shoulder with our American friends” to quote Tony Blair), but the sentiment is linked into the LOK world-state. I think the Fire Nation, while far from abandoning the military instrument of national power, has huge sensitivities regarding deployment of ground troops into the Earth Kingdom. This is both a cultural piece, but also political; leaving aside the textual comments Ursa makes about their reception in the EK, there are likely domestic revanchists in the Fire Nation who would be emboldened.
Also – the reference to abuses of human dignity is a stealthy shout-out to the Conventions on the Protection of Innocents and Respect for the Dignity of the Human Person (also known as the Cranefish Conventions), from another one of my fics.
Second, the newspaper headlines; I love newspapers very much! The thinking here is to represent a spectrum of opinion – of course The Times of Caldera dodges the whole issue and notes only the joint resolve of the two nations, while the Gazette is an even-handed broadsheet. Equality Now is particularly interesting (I think, anyway) because it references a broader headcanon I have that the Equalist movement had strong nationalist shades, focusing its ire on foreign benders. And Star of Teyana being militaristic is a reference to some of my thinking on the United Forces’; Teyana is a major base for them.
Last, with Asami! So the Airlift was initially envisaged as part of a series of stories called ‘Sato’s War’ which was predicated on the assumption of Asami Sato becoming heavily enmeshed within the United Forces’ and Kuvira’s efforts to manage conflict in the Earth Kingdom* - with all the moral peril and interesting high-tech shenanigans involved. In general, I think she is the sort of woman who wants to solve problems, particularly technical ones, and whether one is an Irohsami shipper or not, she definitely has a working relationship with Iroh in any event.
*Chapter 3 of the story would feature Asami flying on a secret diplomatic mission to Kuvira to request her army supports United Forces troops cut off in Isoru; in my notes, I have a line from Iroh where he muses that Asami “has a face which could launch a thousand ships; no doubt her words could re-route an armoured brigade.” On a less self-indulgent note, I think there is some rich story-telling material in the connection between Kuvira and the United Forces during the timeskip which would be great to unpick.
Thank you again for the ask!
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I keep seeing more and more information about the netflix live action atla and I'm just so so skeptical of it. apparently the episode titles are out there in the ether and there's only 8 of them?
I'm just really not sure how you mash the incredibly episodic book one into 8 60-min episodes and have that flow smoothly without making very drastic changes. book one was without a doubt the most episodic season of either atla or lok. the stories do not flow into each other all that well and most were designed as relatively stand alone little plots while the characters bounce around from location to location. the only exceptions to this were the first three episodes, the winter solstice arc, arguably the storm/the blue spirit, and of course the final three in the northern water tribe.
I cannot figure out how they're going to either stitch together, stretch out, or cut the other episodes. there are some pretty obvious cuts- no one wants to see the great divide again, and the fortuneteller doesn't add a ton outside of some small development for kataang, which could easily be done elsewhere. and then I could see an argument for cutting bato of the water tribe, although I don't like cutting that one as much because it has some important character beats for aang and sokka, and there's also the introduction of june, which...you could cut if you're also okay with cutting her from the end of season three. everything else though?
obviously you can't cut the kyoshi warriors. you can't cut omashu or bumi (though you could re-write that episode to make it less...children's cartoon-y for lack of a better word). I don't think you should cut imprisoned because it's such an impactful episode for katara and also how she loses her necklace, which comes back for the waterbending scroll, which is also too important to entirely cut because again, very important katara episode and it's also important for aang learning waterbending. I suppose you could try to combine imprisoned and the waterbending scroll somehow? or cut imprisoned and have katara lose her necklace elsewhere? but that's not ideal and I'd hate to see them butcher katara's character arc for the sake of time.
then there's jet and jeong jeong's episodes, again both rather important- jet because he plays a major role in season two, and jeong jeong because his episode is central to aang's character arc and it establishes that there are fire nation citizens who oppose the war- and you could start foreshadowing the white lotus here. finally there's the northern air temple, which...I guess you could cut if you absolutely had to? it wouldn't be terrible to just establish upfront that the fire nation has air power, I don't think audiences would really question that too much or wonder where the idea for airships came from. but the northern air temple is such a meaningful character beat for aang and does a lot to establish sokka's strengths as a member of the group. plus the mechanist plays an important role later for day of black sun, so...I dunno, I think this would be a hard one to justify cutting completely.
but the other problem is how poorly I think these very separate, self-contained stories would flow into eight 60 minutes episodes. I think four of those episodes are already spoken for anyways- one for the first three, one for the last three, one for the storm/blue spirit, and one for the winter solstice. so really that leaves you with four more episodes. four episodes to cover at least episodes 4, 5, 9, 10, 16, and 17 of the original show, and maybe episodes 6, 14, and 15 if they don't cut them. (lbr we all know they're cutting episode 11, RIP great divide).
I jus can't imagine how they're going to do this. even with very significant re-writes I think it's going to be hard for this first season to not feel very frankensteined together. it'll be an easier task with seasons two and three, which were already more serialized, but season one? this is going to be a real challenge for them to get right.
I'm not sure they will.
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You know something? I've noticed that Aang has a very idealized image of Katara, but I never really considered how Katara views Aang. In the intro, she talks about how she believes that Aang can save the world. Okay. Not a bad thing. But I know many have noticed how Katara mothers him as have I, and I wonder if reason Katara does is because he is the Avatar.
I'm not saying that she doesn't see him as just regular old Aang. But there are times where she stands up for him without considering anyone else's opinion. In The Storm when the shopkeeper says that the Avatar abandoned them for one hundred years, Katara says, "Don't yell at him! Aang would never turn his back on anyone. Aang is the bravest person I know. He's done nothing but help people and save lives since I met him. You're a horrible old man!". First, she scolds the shopkeeper and then defends Aang without hesitation.
In the Deserter, when Aang burns Katara because he doesn't listen, she ends up comforting him. In the Avatar State, when Fong is trying to tell Aang about him being in the state will help them end the war which is continuing to kill and harm many citizens, Katara stands up to him and tells him that Aang is pursuing his destiny is way. Another instance of Katara not listening to older people who have also seen the atrocities of war and have been affected by it because they were being too harsh on Aang. And we all remember how Katara sounded like a mother in a Parent-Teacher conference with Toph in Bitter Work because Toph was being too hard on Aang. Aang who needed to learn Earthbending to defeat Ozai before Sozin's Comet. Roku literally tells Aang this in book one.
My thing is, Katara has a lot of faith in Aang and is very motherly towards him. To the point where I feel like their relationship would be unbalanced. Don't get me started on how the show frames Katara looking at Aang when Zuko says he's the real hero. Katara puts Aang on a pedestal like how Aang does to her. The difference is that because Katara idealizes him as the Avatar, she is defensive to anyone that is against him or too harsh on him. She cares more about his feelings and emotions, putting hers on the backburner, because he's more important to not only her, but the entire world. The same episode where she gets burned BECAUSE of Aang, she's the one comforting him and making sure he's alright. I just don't see how their relationship would last considering what ATLA shows. Yes, I know that in LOK, they get married and have kids, but that's because the writers decided it should be that way, not because it made sense with what was shown.
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i think the spontaneous airbenders are so interesting
#lok#like ok#i know the show focuses on bending cause it's sick and cool (and it is)#but there's more to each culture than just their bending (though of course the cultural importance of bending can not be denied)#so there's this really interesting dichotomy where these people suddenly gain this culturally significant trait#from a culture and nation that's been all but wiped out#and suddenly there's this pressure to learn about this unfamiliar history and rebuild a slain people#but all the new airbender recruits. they're all earth kingdom#though they were from ba sing se which is unique in it's status as being 'unaffected' by the war#(and of course by unaffected i mean the war gave the ruling power of ba sing se an excuse to assert absolute power over its citizens)#creating perhaps the starkest rich and poor imbalance of all cities across the nations#so obviously their feelings towards their home culture would be mixed already#but there's more to being earth kingdom than the treatment from the dai li. like their families and food and things like that#i know they couldn't have gone back to their homes because of the safety concern. but it's crazy to have your life uprooted and implanted#into a culture you're expected to make anew.#i guess it's a really unique way to be an immigrant#i'd have liked to see more airbenders from the fire nation and water tribes but i know the last few seasons of korra were heavily focused on#the troubles arising in a post-war earth kingdom#because. for all intents and purposes. the earth kingdom won the war.#it must be assumed that the fire nation was made to pay repairations towards the earth kingdom and water tribes. especially because of#how much the southern tribe was able to be rebuilt (zuko seems very familiar with tonraq who seemed to be the defacto southern leader before#before they officially took independance from the north#and so despite the creation of republic city on what was originally colonized earth kingdom land#the earth kingdom is doing very wall after the war#we didn't get to see much of the fire nation at all in korra and i'm sad because i'm so interested in what a post-war fire nation is like.#we know that they turned their military resources freely out to republic city as the 'united republic'#but other than that it's pretty sparse information#and i say the earth kingdom is doing well but i mostly mean financially#which doesn't help the people especially with the weath imbalance#the scars of war are on every nation. and the earth kingdom isn't any better off for winning
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