#lokideity

[skaldish]

People who say Loki isn't real because there's no evidence he was worshiped are really annoying. How do I rebuttal?

By understanding this is not a proper argument to begin with.

This argument in its entirety typically goes something like this:

Loki isn't a god because he wasn't worshipped in ancient times. If he was, he would have had locations named after him (place-names), people carrying his namesake, and the presence of a cult following. Since Loki wasn't a god in pre-Christian Norse society, it would be inappropriate to consider him one now.

The origins of this argument are Asatru Folk Assembly. The full argument made by Stephen McNallen goes like this:

There was no devotion given to Loki in ancient times. No place-names marked ritual sites for him; no human bore names related to him; there were no priests or priestesses of Loki. Some modern practitioners of Asatru have apparently considered this an oversight, and one occasionally hears toasts to Loki at Asatru gatherings today. However, I strongly discourage this in the Asatru Folk assembly, and I do not permit horns to be raised to him in my presence. My experience is that Loki-toasts are followed by discord all-around bad luck.

Believe it or not, this is not a valid argument.

Logical argumentation is a kind of math, and an argument will always be invalid if it follows an invalid formula, no matter how true its predicates are.

Here's an example:

Some people are pagans, and some pagans are white nationalists. Therefore, some people are white nationalists.

This is an invalid argument because it follows an invalid formula. We can see this by reframing it:

Some people are herbivores, and some herbivores are deer. Therefore, some people are deer.

The "Loki wasn't worshipped" argument is riddled with these kinds of flaws, and not just ones that follow this particular formula. There's also issues of rocky facts, unfair standards, and general argumentative fallacies:

Heimdallr also doesn't have place-names, and is considered a god.

The absence of developed, structured cultus is not the litmus test of "worship" within the context of Old Norse religions.

The argument is predicated on the idea that the Old Norse people conceptualized "gods" the same way that the Greeks and the Romans did, in that this term applies only to high beings with widespread followings.

Same applies to how the Old Norse people conceptualized "worship." We have no idea how they defined it.

The argument's evidence does not consider all possible data, i.e. attestations found in extant Scandinavian oral traditions.

I can go on, but basically the argument is predicated on assuming the Old Norse people did polytheism according to what we think polytheism should look like.

But honestly? All of this actually doesn't matter, because the ultimate goal of this argument isn't to win the debate of whether Loki's a god or not.

It's to get people to associate "Loki's followers" with "degenerate behavior."

By painting Loki-worship as both factually incorrect AND superstitiously unlucky, it implies that anyone worshipping Loki is not right in the head somehow; that the can't think or reason correctly.

Many of Loki's followers correlate with the political and social Left. They're often queer/gnc and/or neurodivergent, and support socialist policies and rejection tradition. If worshiping Loki is deemed irrational and dangerous, then it stands to reason that these things are also irrational and dangerous, and therefore all of this must be a sign of degeneracy. Or so the argument would suggest.

The fallacies in the argument are there by design, because that is how cryptofascist writers radicalize reasonable people.

The best way you refute these arguments is to deny them a platform. Delete them from your inbox. That doesn't mean you have to ignore them though. You can always speak up about them on your own time. Personally, I try to make sure that whatever it is I bring up about them will be useful to the community at large, as opposed to being an angry hate-letter to those provoking conflict. (It's a philosophy I use regardless of what the motivations of an issue are, simply because devoting my attention to the community makes for a better online experience and is ultimately more effective in the long-run.)

#answered #lokean #norse paganism #lokideity #heathenry

[gudvinur]

finally at a place in my life where i have time to practice again, and i missed loki and the brood dearly.

#loki #fenrir #sigyn #offerings #art #altars #heathenry #norse pagan #norse paganism #norse heathen #lokideity #lokean* #paganblr #paganism

[dijods-devotion]

I drew the bastard man (cropped as it’s lewd)

His necklace in the photo matches the necklace I wear to remind me of him

A small act of devotion for Loki

#lokean #loki #loki deity #norse paganism #norse pagan #loki devotee #loki god of mischief #lokideity #loki devotion #god loki #god Loki art #norse loki #godspouse #for Loki

[lokahjarta]

Loki by Lightonlight via Tumblr, 2014 [[deactivated]]

Original Artist Commentary:

"I always loved the myth portrayal of lightning(Fárbauti) hitting a tree (Laufey) and thus creating Loki.Like…

BOOOOOM! …Loki"

#Loki #Lokean #norse deities #norse polytheism #norse pagan #mystic #mysticism #Lokideity #Norse Loki #Laufey #Farbauti #Laufeyjarson #myth #mythic retelling #Nice Timing Rex

[cottageshadowwitch]

As a norse pagan living in the area of German Carnival, today and the next few days as well as November 11th every year are filled with pure Loki energy.

People changing their appearances, becoming animals or looking like they are someone else.

Chaos everywhere.

Fighting against the status quo and the established leadership.

If that doesn't scream Loki, what does?

Sadly not everything is fun and games, but I don't include those aspects in my practice (or the way I'm living my life) and simply enjoy Loki's energy all around.

To me, it's a great time to work with him, to honour him, and to also work magic focusing on change especially in society.

And also to enjoy life dancing and singing in my living room, celebrating my culture and identity in parts since the regional dialect is all around me.

#lokean #lokideity #loki deity #loki #norse pagan #norse paganism #heathen #heathenry #norse pagan practice #heathen practice #chapter: pagan life #topic: loli #witchy queue

[rubyredspells]

I was talking to Loki on my walk to work today and started saying "ugh, I need to meditate more" in a very I've let myself down tone as I haven't had chance for a while. Loki shook his head and said, "you've had a busy week and are punishing yourself for it. Don't look at the past and say you could have meditated more, look at the future and plan when you want to meditate next."

#lokideity #loki deity #norse loki #lokean #loki devotee #loki devotion #paganblr #norse witch #norse pagan witch #norse deities #pagan witch

[welcometothewarren]

#paper #zine #godspouse #lokideity #heart in my mouth #rabbit writes #rabbit art

[childofflamesandmoonlight]

Happy April's Fools day, Loki! 🎉😘

#lokideity #lokean #norse

[anyrisse]

Invited Loki to watch some movies with me. We've been watching through my favorite horror/disaster movies. Here's some excerpts.

The Conjuring

Me: You better not let my ass get haunted like this.

Ouija: Origin of Evil

Me: Yeeeeah... Let's not do this.

2012

Me: I hope you don't mind Loki, but this happens and I'm laying my ass down to die. I ain't dealing with this bullshit.

The Haunting in Connecticut

The end of the movie the voice over says "They say god works in mysterious ways. They just don't tell you how mysterious those ways can be."

Me: Do you work in mysterious ways Loki? 😘

Me: ...

Me: I know the answer to that. Please don't give me a demonstration.

#lokean #loki deity #loki worship #lokideity

[trashclownart]

Newly finished! Prints will be in shop soon. “Loki Bound” Pen and Ink.

#trashclown #trashclownart #dyrirattlingourd #theartofdyrirattlingourd #asatru #chaos #chaote #declaration127 #godofchaos #godofmischief #goth #heathen #heathenry #heathensagainsthate #inclusiveheathen #lokean #loki #lokideity #lokilaufeyjarson #macabre #norse #norseheathenry #norseloki #norsepagan #norsepaganizm #pagan #rokkatru #rokkr #witch #witchy

[believe-in-the-unbelievable]

So I also wanted to ask both sides of worship a pretty random question, but please feel free to leave your thoughts~.

Loki has been my patron for a hot minute, but I've always noticed and been aware of another Fatherly Presence tm. It's always been kinda bumbly in an excited and happy way, a little dorky in a wholesome way, and there's always been various birds (usually crows for me), stars, and moons, associated with them. Think Stolas vibes and aesthetics, or Crowley from Twisted Wonderland.

...but I'm starting to suspect it might be Lucifer, lol.

And given that, at least for me, ever since the second season of Loki's ending, Loki's been all sentimental over life trees, apples (like the apples of Idun), and snakes... And I know obviously these can also be symbols for Lucifer too, as can moons and stars and crows or swans/birds..........

Soooooooo... My question is, lol

Has anyone else noticed these similarities between them? Do they both seem to fuck with each other/get along/be friendly with each other bc they're very change and truth oriented deities?

#lokean #lokideity #lucifer devotee #loki devotee #lucifer inferno #satanism

[skaldish]

Does Loki in any way has connection to home? Like, He is for me, beside change and joy part, feels like a home Deity, maybe in a same way as Brigit and Hestia.

Does this feeling has any historical/folklore confirmation? Thank you in advance.

Yes actually! Before he became known for his escapades with Odin and Thor, Loki started off as a domestic spirit that was thought to live by or beneath the best part of the Nordic house—the hearth.

Naturally, he had the same sneaky proclivities as a domestic spirit that he has now as a deity, so while Hestia and Brigid are more associated with homemaking and family, Loki's more about that home mischief. He's the force that tangles your knitting and burns your cookies. But that's only because he likes being involved, not because he wants to upset people's lives.

Bit of UPG here, but Loki's energy as a house spirit very much reminds me of a Norwegian forest cat's: Big, friendly, makes great company, manifests at the sound of a can opening, screams when bored, gets zoomies at 3am, disappears into the wilderness for days on end only to return as though he never left. Has kittens sometimes.

Like, there's a reason why people kept Loki around rather than chasing him out for being a menace. He's a belovéd menace.

#answered #lokideity #lokean #sky treader

[taltos-seidmadr]

babe wake up new trickster character just dropped

#banging pans and pots together yall sleeping on THIS??? Hello?????????????? #and then handing them directly to mister kojima because he is COOKING #sirius #lopt #loki #lokideity #lokean #loki is that you #aesthetic #images #tricksterdom #lots of body horror tw for like the first 2min of the video jsyk. you can just straight up skip it #sithi's posts

[pissedofflokean]

Reposting my old art of Loki again on a new blog, because why not.

#loki #lokean #loki deity #lokideity #norse paganism #pagan #viking #digital art #my art

[lokahjarta]

I just started digital art a couple days ago on my new tablet and the first thing I drew was Loki.

#20 min into Whack a Mole with Baldr and he gives you this look #Lokean #Lokideity #POV youre an entire rotisserie chicken #POV youve got one eye trust issues and an undiagnosed anxiety disorder

[noweyesee]

Loki is one of my deities — I simply adore him and all that he has allowed me to know, be and do. To me, Loki has been wonder, has brought hope and has lit (many times) the spark of creation, all the while being there for me and bringing the warmth of protection.

To me, he is a teacher and a friend — an older brother figure that has given me so much.

He actually was present in the putting together and making of this art and requested to be portrayed with shades. Good for him.

#loki #lokean #loki deity #norse paganism #norse heathen #norse polytheism #heathenry #heathen #polytheism #paganism #pagan #lokideity #digital art #mine