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batpoisonz · 2 months

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hey what label can I use when I'm not attracted to male-aligned people under any circumstance?

I know this likely was not asked in good faith but the simple answer is really: whatever you want.

if the answer you're looking for is lesbian, then you've come to the wrong place. because I am not going to just say "lesbian" if you wanted me to exclude bi-lesbians; who are people of my own community.

yes, you can identify as lesbian. most of the lesbian community experiences exclusive attraction to women or nonbinary individuals. however some people who experience the same attraction prefer the terms trixic, enbian, trixenamoric, or more. some of these labels also prove use as an add on to lesbian, such as "trixic lesbian" or "enbian lesbian," bc they want to specify their attraction to nonbinary people (as not every lesbian experiences such attraction, most lesbians do experience it exclusively to women as there are terms for including nonbinary people, but they are NOT required).

a lot of the time in the mspecles community, these labels are used as replacements for terms like "bi" or "poly" and other mspec identities bc they feel as though terms like those do not describe them. if bi or poly or omni and more do not describe you, then you do not have to use it. if your attraction feels monosexual, then u can say that! nobody is forcing u to use labels you are uncomfortable with. that's the important part.

also I forgot to add that neptunic is a widely accepted term even by the exclusionary lesbian community: it is explicitly defined as the attraction to all genders EXCEPT man aligned individuals, which fits exactly what you said as well!

because your attraction is so broad, you could even use bisexual or polysexual, and polysexual means you are attracted to more than one gender, and bisexual is two or more. there is nothing wrong with the overlap of these labels eith lesbianism. if lesbianism includes a being attracted to women and/or enby people, there's at LEAST two genders there. thus falling under both the bisexual and polysexual umbrellas.

tl;dr identify as whatever you want. labels are useless if the person using them doesn't feel fully comfortable or described by the labels they are using. just be yourself and nobody else should stop you.

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sapphic-horror · 8 months

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VAMPIRE LUNIAN / MSPEC LESBIAN | VAMPIRE BILES | VAMPIRE OMNILES

[PT: vampire lunian / mspec lesbian, vampire biles, vampiren omni les.]

VAMPIRE POLYLES | VAMPIRE PANLES | VAMPIRE ABROLES

[PT: vampire polyles, vampire panles, vampire abroles.]

— vampire themed mspec lesbian flags! can be used by any mspec lesbian who has any connection to vampires, although these were made with vampirekins, individuals with psychosis, & systems in mind

— based off of this lunian flag, this biles flag, this omniles flag, this polyles flag, this panles flag, & this abroles flag; image ids in alt text

#mogai blog #mogai flag #mogai safe #mogai #critinclus #radinclus #lesbian #mspec lesbian #bi lesbian #pan lesbian #abro lesbian #poly lesbian #lunian #omni lesbian #mspec lesbian safe #— horror coining

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dead-dog-dont-eat · 11 months

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Mspec Lesbian Burning Text Banners!

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saturns-xenogenders · 2 years

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+ Mspec lesbian ally flag +

The crescent and violets represent mspecs and lesbians, and how their communities and history are intertwined.

#lesbian #mspec #multisexual #bisexual #pansexual #omnisexual #polysexual #radinclus #inclus #mspec lesbian #stellian #lunian #flag

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oh-my-im-ply · 2 months

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This is another post which isn't completely ply focused, but I want to take a second to point out the overlap between people who are transmisic and people who exclude/invalidate mspec lesbians.

Last week, I made a post where I mentioned being a polysexual lesbian, and I made a few mspec lesbian pride flags. Yesterday, someone asked if I was polysexual or a lesbian.

On this blog, we have rules for interaction, as well as rules for mods to follow. At the very top, we have a rule against exclusion and invalidation towards good faith identities, and a rule against bigotry and dogwhistles. However, we will answer questions when they may have been asked in good faith.

So, I answered with this:

Both. I'm attracted to many genders, but not binary men, so I find that polysexual and lesbian both describe my orientation well. Other people may identify as a polysexual lesbian for other reasons.

After I answered, the mask came off, and they started being transmisogynistic and nonbinary-exclusionary, and weaponized the existence of bimisia against me. I deleted their comments and blocked them last night, so I can't copy what they said word for word, but I will repeat their key notes under the cut.

CW: bi erasure, exorsexism/nonbinary-erasure, transmisogyny, mentions of genitalia

"This is what people mean when they talk about bi erasure. You're erasing bi people."

This is a complete misunderstanding of what bi erasure even means. Bi erasure is when you ignore (the existence of) bi people, or outright deny their existence. These are some examples of bi erasure:

Erasing or ignoring bi history.

Saying that bi people need to just "pick a side."

Saying that bi people are secretly straight/secretly gay.

Saying that bi is just "a transitional orientation" or "a phase."

Redefining the broad definition of bisexuality without the consent of the bi community, especially with the intent of telling people that they "aren't really bisexual" or replacing the bi label.

Saying that "everyone is a little bit bisexual," especially with the intent of erasing bisexuality as a distinct category. This can also be a form of erasure against people who aren't bisexual.

Note that "identifying as something other than bi" is not a form of bi erasure, even if you might "technically" fit the definition... Because that is a matter of personal identity.

But do you know what is a form of bi erasure? Erasing bi history. Mspec lesbians (particularly bi lesbians), have existed for decades. It is not a new identity, and bi women and enbies have a right to identify their attractions to women as lesbian attraction if they wish to. The exclusion of bi people from the lesbian label began as a form of bi erasure. It happened because of separatism and political lesbianism, and an idea that attraction to men "tainted" people, or was a "betrayal" to feminism. It happened because of bimisia.

The word "lesbian" has served as an umbrella term synonymous to "sapphic" for over half a century. You want sources? Here you go.

Miller, Trish. Lavender Woman, Vol. 2, No. 5. Lavender Woman Magazine, 1973. "What is a lesbian? To me, a lesbian is a woman-oriented woman; bisexuals can be lesbians. A lesbian does not have to be exclusively woman-oriented, she does not have to prove herself in bed, she does not have to hate men, she does not have to be sexually active at all times, she does not have to be a radical feminist." Ferguson, Ann. Patriarchy, Sexual Identity, and the Sexual Revolution. Signs: Journal of Women in Culture and Society, 1981. "Lesbian is a woman who has sexual and erotic-emotional ties primarily with women or who sees herself as centrally involved with a community of self-identified lesbians whose sexual and erotic-emotional ties are primarily with women; and who is herself a self-identified lesbian."....."[My definition] defines both bisexual and celibate women as lesbians as long as they identify themselves as such and have their primary emotional identification with a community of self-defined lesbians." Kafele, Dajenya Shoshanna (1991). Bisexual Lesbian. Archived from the original on July 25, 2022. Queen, Carol A.. Strangers at Home: Bisexuals in the queer movement,. 1992. "A great many bisexual women, particularly those who are feminist and lesbian-identified, have felt both personally and politically rejected and judged by the separatist sisters." Kafele, Dajenya Shoshanna. "Which Part of Me Deserves to Be Free?". Bisexual Politics: Theories, Queries, & Visions. New York : Haworth Press, 1995. ISBN 9781560249504. "Personally, I am unable to separate out the various ways that I am oppressed (as a woman, as an African American, as a bisexual lesbian, as an impoverished single mother) and say that one oppression is worse than the other, or that I desire one form of liberation more than another." Wyeth, Amy. "Don't Assume Anything". Bi Women: The Newsletter of the Boston Bisexual Women's Network. Vol. 5, No. 2, 1995. "Unfortunately, many of my experiences as a lesbian-identified bisexual woman have said to me that having an appearance or demeanor that diverges from the expected means I will not be accepted as truly belonging in the lesbian community. Despite my attendance at gay pride parades, dollars spent at gay resorts and in support of gay causes, and numerous attempts to participate in gay and/or lesbian groups and volunteer events, I have often felt unaccepted by this community." Holleb, Morgan Lev Edward. The A-Z of Gender and Sexuality. Jessica Kingsley Publishers, 2019. ISBN 9781784506636. "LESBIAN — A woman who is sexually or romantically attracted to women. Lesbian can mean women who are attracted exclusively to other women, but it is also a broader term for women and femmes who are attracted to other women and femmes. This includes bisexual and pansexual women, asexual women who are romantically attracted to women, and non-binary people who identify with womanhood." Lesbian. The Trans Language Primer. Archived from the original on October 22, 2021.

Does this mean bi people have to identify as lesbians, or "aren't actually" bi, or can't just identify as bi? Obviously not, and I never said that was the case. That would be bi erasure, because that's policing bi people's identities and forcing them under labels that they may not want to be included under. But in the circumstance that a bi person also identifies as a lesbian, they have every right to do so. Bi-inclusive definitions of lesbianism have existed for at least 51 years, and still exist today.

"Attraction to men, binary or not, means you're not a lesbian."

See above for why the lesbian identity is not always dependent on a lack of attraction to men, binary or not. But lets focus on the nonbinary part specifically:

Nonbinary people can people included in lesbianism and lesbian attraction if they want to be. Yes, that includes all nonbinary genders. Even if attraction to men inherently disqualified a person from lesbianism, nonbinary genders cannot be confined to binary gender rules (even when they're aligned with binary genders) because they're nonbinary. Treating nonbinary genders like they're "functionally the same as binary genders" is a form of nonbinary erasure, regardless of gender alignment.

Whether nonbinary people are included in lesbianism or not is entirely up to each individual nonbinary person regarding their own identity. It is not dependent on the gender label used; it is dependent on how each nonbinary person feels about it on an individual level.

The implication that manhood inherently dominates and erases the rest of a person's identity is also troubling. If you accept that nonbinary people can be included in lesbianism, you must also accept that nonbinary men can be included in lesbianism. A nonbinary man is still nonbinary; their manhood doesn't erase that.

As a pangender lesbian, I've had to deal with the experience of people not only erasing my enbyhood, but my womanhood as well, because they think my manhood is the only relevant aspect of my identity. This is misogynistic and exorsexist, plain and simple, and people use this misogyny/exorsexism to tell me that I'm not a lesbian.

With all of that said, nonbinary people (of any gender alignment) are not always comfortable being included in lesbianism. This is why I describe myself as both polysexual and a lesbian; the polysexual part of my orientation acknowledges that my attraction to enbies can't always be described with my more binary-aligned labels.

And funnily enough, while some people tell me that I can't be a lesbian and can only be polysexual, other people tell me the opposite. So clearly, there isn't a consensus on which label is "correct" for me.

"If it has a dick, you can't be a lesbian."

This is just blatant mask off transmisogyny, and it's the main reason I blocked them. Do I even need to explain what's wrong with this? Even under a strictly monosexual definition of lesbianism, this statement is just false. Being attracted to people with penises does not equal being attracted to men. If a lesbian is exclusively attracted to women, including women with penises, that lesbian is attracted to only one gender and is not bisexual or mspec.

Any gender can have a dick. Lesbians can have dicks. Women can have dicks. The presence of a penis or lack thereof is not a defining trait of lesbianism, nor monosexuality. And for fuck's sake, maybe don't call your hypothetical trans woman "it"??

"Mspec lesbian" does not mean "lesbian who is attracted to vaginas and penises," and if you think that's what it means, you need to educate yourself. Yes, this includes any people who might identify as an mspec lesbian because of that transmisogynistic definition.

This blog is an inclusive space. If you come in here to spew bigoted or exclusionary nonsense, expect to be blocked. Think before you speak, and please read our rules.

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the-delta-quadrant · 10 months

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happy mspec gay week to lunians, solians, stellians, mesques, asterians, mspec lesbians, mspec veldians, mspec cenelians, mspec gais, all mspec gays.

#queer #mogai #lgbt #lgbtq+#gsrm #lgbt+#mspec #mspec lesbian #mspec veldian #mspec turian #mspec gay #mspec vincian #mspec cenelian #stellian #lunian #solian

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krispysblorbos · 1 year

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I made my own bi lesbian(right) and bi gay flags(left)!

I went through a lot of different versions of the flags but kinda gave up and ended up mixing the colors of the bi flag with the ocean gay and sunset lesbian flags ^^u

#mspec lesbian #bi lesbian #mspec gay #bi gay #lunian #solian #flag coining

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redtail-lol · 1 year

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Bi Lesbian Tidal Microlabels

Just llike lunian, bi lesbian can mean different things to different people, so here are the bi lesbian specific tidal labels! Flags based on Kenochoric's Bi lesbian flag!

#1: Full-Moon Springtide Bi Lesbian

[Image ID: A 5 striped flag modeled after the bi lesbian flag by kenochoric. The top stripe is a deep dark purple; the second one down is violet; the middle stripe is a bright pink; the second to last stripe is salmon; the bottom stripe is white. The flag on the left has a fade between the top two stripes and bottom two stripes. Both flags have violet full moons. End ID.]

Meaning: Someone who considers themselves a bi lesbian because they're attracted to multiple genders that are considered part of lesbian attraction! Ex: wlw and wlnb. I, OP, am a Full-moon springtide bi lesbian!

#2: First-Quarter Neaptide Bi Lesbian

[Image ID: A 5 striped flag modeled after the bi lesbian flag by kenochoric. The top stripe is a very dark purple; the second one down is purple; the middle stripe is a deep magenta; the second to last stripe is a light pink. The bottom stripe is a pale salmon. The flag on the left has a fade between the top two stripes and bottom two stripes. Both flags have violet half moons, with the left half being obscured by shadow. End ID.]

Meaning: Someone who considers themselves a bi lesbian because they are bi, but their attraction to genders considered part of lesbian attraction is much greater than their attraction to other genders, and as such they feel somewhere in between bi and lesbian; using lunian as an alternative to homoflexible or lesbiflexible

#3: New-Moon Springtide Bi Lesbian

[Image ID: A 5 striped flag modeled after the bi lesbian flag by kenochoric. The top stripe is a deep, dark indigo that is close to black; the second one down is a lighter yet still dark, desaturated purple; the middle stripe is a dark violet; the second to last stripe is a reddish pink. The bottom stripe is a bright reddish pink. The flag on the left has a fade between the top two stripes and bottom two stripes. Both flags have violet new moons, with the right half being obscured by shadow. End ID.]

Meaning: Someone who considers themselves a bi lesbian because they use the split attraction model, and are lesbian in one form of attraction and bi in another.

#4: Third-Quarter Neaptide Bi Lesbian

[Image ID: A 5 striped flag modeled after the lunian flag by kenochoric. The top stripe is a deep, dark indigo that is close to black; the second one down is a lighter yet still dark, desaturated purple; the middle stripe is a deep violet-magenta; the second to last stripe is rosy pink. The bottom stripe is a bright tan. The flag on the left has a fade between the top two stripes and bottom two stripes. Both flags have violet half moons, with the right half being obscured by shadow. End ID.]

Meaning: Someone who considers themselves a bi lesbian because they are bi, and are reclaiming the historical definition of lesbian!

#5: Tidalphasic Bi Lesbian

[Image ID: The original bi lesbian flag by kenochoric with its dark indigo top stripe, violet second stripe, pink middle stripe, light orange second to last stripe, and bottom pale yellow stripe, with an overlay of 4 violet moons in a small arc. From left to right, they are a full moon, a half moon with left side shadow, a new moon, and a half moon with right side shadow. The left flag also has a fade between the top two stripes and bottom two stripes. End ID.]

Meaning: Someone who's reason for identifying as a bi lesbian is fluid and changes. They go through the many phases of possibilities just like the moon and tide!

#6: Midtide Bi Lesbian

[Image ID: A 5 striped flag modeled after the bi lesbian flag by kenochoric. The top stripe is a deep violet; the second one down is a desaturated magenta; the middle stripe is a bright pink; the second to last stripe is peach; the bottom stripe is a pale peach. The flag on the left has a fade between the top two stripes and bottom two stripes. Both flags have violet crescent moons.]

Meaning: Someone who's experience as a bi lesbian was not covered by this post, or a bi lesbian who's experience as a bi lesbian is a mix of the labels here. You are all valid lesbians but I don't know every way to be a bi and lesbian! Just like the tide, our experiences aren't rigid and there are times you are in between two.

Feel free to coin your own tidal labels for your experiences if they weren't captured here!

[Image ID: A reddish brown image bordered with the aurora lesbian, lunian, bi lesbian, and omni lesbian flags. There's an illustration of a calico cat and text that reads "PLEASE: •Check my pinned before following •DNI: Pedos, zoos, people seeking discourse, solicitors, and anyone seeking a relationship with me." End ID.]

#bi lesbian #mspec lesbian #lunian #orientation coining #mogai orientation #lgbt #queer #mogai safe #mogai identity #mogai coining #mogai community #bi lesbian safe #mspec lesbian safe #lesboy safe #tidal labels

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multiplicity-positivity · 10 months

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Here’s some positivity for mspec mono systems and headmates!

Plurality, sexuality, and romantic attraction are all vast and complex spectrums! For many systems and individual headmates, identifying as both mspec and mono allow them to express themselves to the fullest and live their best lives. This post is for all the mspec monos out there!

Shoutout to systems and headmates who are mspec lesbians, gays, straights, or otherwise monosexual/romantic!

Shoutout to bi, pan, omni, or otherwise mspec systems and headmates who are also mono!

Shoutout to systems and headmates who struggled to come to terms with their identities as mspec monos!

Shoutout to mspec monos whose sexualities and romantic attractions are heavily influenced by their plurality!

Shoutout to systems and headmates who identify as stellian, solian, lunian, mesrien, or another another lesser known label!

Shoutout to mspec mono systems and headmates who have coined their own terms to describe their experience!

Shoutout to those who experience mspec mono attraction, but don’t label their sexuality or attraction at all!

Shoutout to mspec mono systems and headmates who have been harassed, fakeclaimed, or not taken seriously because of their identities!

There is nothing wrong with having contradictory labels - you and your system are not harming anyone by identifying as both mono and mspec! We hope you will be able to find peace, love, and happiness in your future, with ample acceptance by those around you. Rest assured you will always be welcome here, and are an important member of the queer community just as you are!

Please take care of yourselves and try to show yourselves some kindness! Thanks so much for reading, and take care!

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#multiplicity #pluralgang #plurality #actuallyplural #system positivity #plural positivity #plural pride #system pride #mspec mono #mspec lesbian #mspec veldian #stellian #lunian #solian #mesrien

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