#luz noceda mention

[yardsards]

the owl house really said "familial love is stored in a gifted garment"

EDIT: forgot one! thanks @cat-eared-exam-taker

#eliot posts #toh #the owl house #i was on the fence abt including either of the examples w amity and the twins #(esp the concealment stones bc idk if they even count as garments) #but i figured in both cases helping her be gay and do crimes is very much a form of affection from them even if less soft than the others #eda clawthorne #luz noceda #emira blight #edric blight #amity blight #darius toh #hunter toh #king clawthorne #alador blight #i want dadrius to get hunter a new cloak SO BAD #ive mentioned it before but i always go wild when stuff like this happens in fiction #bc i've always loved lending my jackets/shawls/scarves/hats/gloves to my irl friends #makes me feel like im protecting them and keeping them safe #and i knit and sometimes sew so p much all of my irl friends have AT LEAST gotten a hat #but i made of of them a long forest green cloak which he loved #it always makes me feel SO WARM INSIDE when i see someone wearing something i made them #but even seeing them wear things like friendship bracelets kinda makes me feel that way #i like having kinda made my mark on them even when not keeping them warm/covering them #not in a possessive ''show everyone that you're mine!'' way. none of it visibly ties back to me #(except in hs when i'd lend them my letterman's jacket w my surname on it) #but i know it's from me and they know it's from me and they chose to put that onto themself #my love language is acts of service and that's what i'm doing when i make someth handmade or lend em someth practical #but they can recieve it as gift-giving or a stand-in for physical affection. which both VERY MUCH do not come naturally to me

[pancakesandpessimism]

This is such a tiny thing, but...

She got her wish...

#toh #toh spoilers #the owl house #the owl house spoilers #watching and dreaming #watching and dreaming spoilers #Luz Noceda #Titan Luz #You KNOW Eda's silently exploding with pride in the background #She's come so far :') #Why is THIS what broke me in my most recent rewatch?!?!?! #also I'm an idiot and forgot to mention that the bottom image comes from PolymathArt's reddit

[catboymoments]

Hunter “casually mentions fucked up things that happened in the Emperors Coven as silly anecdotes” Owl House would absolutely cope with humor postcanon don’t try and change my mind

“LUZ IT’S FUNNY. THE JOKE WAS FUNNY. ADMIT IT.”

“I’m leaving you here. GOODBYE.”

“YOU’RE SMILING!”

“I AM AND I HATE IT!!”

#my art #the owl house #toh #hunter noceda clawthorne wittebane deamonne whispers #Luz noceda #grooming mention

[tizzymcwizzy]

what do you do when you look into your father's eye and all you see reflected back at you is a damned, broken boy

it's finally finished,,, man i spent so long on this holy cow djdbhdgbf i first started this back when clouds on the horizon aired and only just finished it, but im really happy with it!! :D ive never done something this complicated, and at that paint it all as well

also here's some closeups and the full background,

#it was originally supposed to be that moment that luz says the actual line but then i got carried away #i really like this one but it took so long jfc i need to either speed my process up by like 1000% or just not do things this ambitious #also idk if i ever mentioned this but i arrived safely on vacation! im chillin :)) #the owl house #the owl house season 2 #kings tide #toh #emperor belos #philip wittebane #hunter #toh hunter #gus porter #luz noceda #my art

[smokestarrules]

I might be reading too much into this but there is something going on with this episode and wolves, and I’m really not sure what it is. Luz’s palisman won’t be a wolf most definitely, but maybe, once Hunter’s healed enough and he feels he’s ready, he’ll carve a new one for himself?

#either way I think it's a pretty big coincidence for wolves to be mentioned/shown three separate times #but idk #toh #toh spoilers #the owl house #the owl house spoilers #camila noceda #hunter #hunter noceda #luz noceda #smokey speaks #500 #1k

[elementalladymallorie]

I just finished watching the new Owl House episode, and afoiej so much to process, but like can I say how much I love this look?? The build up to it was so nice but it's all the little connections to Luz's family that is shown here that get me!

Like you can still so of course that Luz is human and she looks like Camila. That wouldn't change of course cause those are such a big part of who Luz is.

But you can see so much similar to King too! Fitting since it's a gift from the Titan. She has the bone claws and horns like King, plus the general skeleton look and similar color schemes. Plus her hat looks like his tail!

Then she has the same eye set up as Harpy Eda! With yellow eye iris and dark sclera. She also gets her own fang that hangs out the whole time, on the opposite side of Eda's, and hair probably big enough to store things in.

All of these people were a big influence on Luz and her journey to become the Good Witch Luz. It's only fitting that they all be represented some how in the strongest form Luz gets.

#the owl house #toh luz #toh series finale #toh season 3 #luz noceda #eda clawthorne #eda the owl lady #king clawthorne #toh king #toh eda #toh camila #camila noceda #watching and dreaming #toh season three #has this been mentioned already? #probably #am I still going to nerd out about it? #definitely

[awakefor48hours]

The Owl House is great because it’s a show where an aroace woman decks a fascist colonizer in the face so hard his nose is broken forever.

Later, said fascist gets beaten into a puddle of goo by a god-like being with he/they pronouns.

Then in the finale, he gets beaten half to death by the ADHD, afro-Latina, gender nonconforming, openly bisexual, protagonist.

Then when he actually dies, it’s because he was boiled alive by the same god-like being that he used to oppress people then was promptly stomped to death by a Latin nonbinary, a bisexual woman who’s an amputee with chronic fatigue, and another god-like being that reproduces asexually.

#mention of death #toh #the owl house #Belos #lilith clawthorne #toh the collector #the collector #luz noceda #raine whispers #eda clawthorne #edalyn clawthorne #king clawthorne

[about92bleachedrainbows]

This was funnier in my head

#TOH #the owl house #Lilith Clawthorne #eda clawthorne #edalyn clawthorne #my art #shitpost? #tw weed mention #sketch #luz noceda

[probablyhuntersmom]

The scenes towards the end of the finale were like an intersection of multiple characters experiencing the loss of father figures, in different shades:

Luz's relationship to her late father took on a different form, after King's own father passed on and his glyph magic was gone for good. Manny gifting her the Azura books before his death, and Papa Titan offering her glyph magic before he too passed on, helped Luz find her place in the world and defeat Belos.

Apparently this scene is what made Sarah Nicole-Robles bawl in the recording studio, right after she recorded the lines.

When these changes happen - when we experience the loss of a person, when our ties with them are wrangled into a new form, against our will - it can be devastatingly painful. Change and transformation make for fancy, dramatic scenes in fiction, and they always incur loss in some form, painful or not. It also made me so emotional when seeing how much 18-year-old Luz resembles Manny, and how her enrolment in the university is linked to both her biological father and Papa Titan.

King's experience of seeing the majesty of his father, however brief, left him in awe and exhilaration. He can rest in the beautiful knowledge that Papa Titan was watching over him the whole time too. The message that his dad left him, relayed by Luz, is something he'll hold dear forever.

Hunter will never be truly harmed by Belos ever again. But he can't discard the memories of Belos granting him attachment: even if the attachment ended up not being real in a sense. However, like what can be applied in real-life therapy, he can get guidance on how to rescript those memories.

Belos's lies about having good intentions don't change how it felt real to Hunter all those years ago. Hunter was a young child when receiving this 'love', and in a twisted way...the mission given to him by Belos kept him alive up till he could escape the Coven, because the mission gave his life meaning despite the circumstances being awfully terrible. A child cannot survive without attachment, and needs attachment even if the experience of attachment has been horrendous and scarring. And holy Titan don't get me started on how at age 16 (before the timeskip), he had yet to learn more grisly details about his predecessors - whom he might view as older brothers and fathers whom he never met - and the generational trauma in his Golden Guard family tree:

which would have definitely been explored before he could experience that amazing hard-won serenity and peace at age 20.

Even Philip's arc is inextricably tied to his manner of coping with how he murdered Caleb, who was the closest thing he had to a father, given how these two brothers were orphans. In the end, Philip meets his end while Luz gazes upon him the same way Caleb's ghost did. Philip won't be haunted by Caleb's ghost again, and he joins the person who was essentially his father figure in death. Till the very end, he was projecting onto another person because he didn't want to recognize the same traits in himself. He was the one responsible for his father figure's death.

But grief doesn't mean the relationships in question have ended altogether. It's kind of like what this post about the finale (link) says, and it even extends to the relationship between us fans and the show itself.

The cliché "5 Stages of Grief" is the most commonly mentioned grief model, but I follow the development and advocacy of a newer perspective on grief that challenges it. In fact, the 5 Stages was originally just intended for terminally ill patients, but it was taken out of proportion. I began a serious investigation into the newer models after I went through something that parallels Hunter losing Flapjack...eerily, it happened to me two weeks before TTT's release date. No wonder I feel so close to Hunter as a blorbo, I guess.

Unlike what the 5 Stages of Grief says, grief and linear time don't mix well. Without "stages" to follow, there isn't an expectation of some deadline or permanent end of a tunnel in the newer models. Such pressure wouldn't be honoring the sacredness of connections between us. Instead, less famous grief perspectives like the dual-process model and continuing bonds model, are a better fit to honor relationships that mattered, since they aren't given an expiry date.

I wonder how Luz would be feeling on the day she graduates from the Wild Magic University, and how King feels each time he unlocks his own new glyphs since he is the new Titan to supply the Isles with magic. And I wonder how Hunter felt when his coven sigil was replaced with the Flapjack tattoo, and how he feels when he sees the Gravesfield town seal and Wittebane statues.

There are ways in which they can get creative to integrate their grief (notice I didn't say "get rid of", "remove", "erase" or even "manage"...the pain is what is to be managed, not the grief itself) the best they can. In canon, we have examples such as the Hexsquad agreeing to get their Flapjack tattoos together. Luz letting go of the light glyph sheet here:

is also a fantastic representation of rituals like sending off a message in a bottle at a beach, tying a message to a balloon and letting it fly away (this happened in Reaching Out, didn't it?), or burning a message in a campfire to let it float up towards the sky in the form of embers.

It is a common recommendation to have exercises like letter-writing where the griever writes to the lost loved one. What many may not know is you can also do the reverse: you writing as your lost loved one, to yourself. Because the griever takes a piece of the lost loved one with them, that the griever has shaped within themselves. This is especially good if you need to extend forgiveness to yourself. An example from a book called Bearing the Unbearable:

The author felt responsible for the stillbirth of her child, but had a "happy accident" where she intuitively asked for forgiveness and then received it, by invoking the love that her child would have shown to her in a world where said child had remained alive.

I think Hunter in particular could benefit from something like this, writing to himself as the uncle whom he saw as genuine and nurturing, and gaining ownership of that part of him even though Belos was a liar and is now gone for good. It can help him move forward especially since he won't be spared from nightmares in which his loss is re-enacted. With this kind of rescripting, historical accuracy doesn't actually need to matter. After all, our own minds lie to us at times and mess with historical accuracy anyway, like Luz's thoughts telling her she was as bad as Belos, and how true that felt.

A physical loved one is lost to death, and it can feel just as painful - only in a different way - if people become estranged or separated without a literal death having occurred. But the connection to them isn't lost, it is only adapted. The bond continues. For better or worse.

I believe the pain in grieving is connected to each moment when we remember all over again that the one we loved isn't coming back.

It's like the needle of a gramophone getting stuck in the loop of an unpleasant-sounding record scratch noise. It's a bit like what C.S. Lewis says in his book A Grief Observed: "In each of my friends there is something that only some other friend can fully bring out." I can't find the other part but he later said something like, therefore if a friendship is lost, the part of you that only that friend could bring out, is also lost. Something in you is locked away forever, though new things can also be unlocked after the loss.

It wasn't shown onscreen but I wouldn't be surprised if it's regular for Luz to come across a meme and be freshly reminded of her dad's absence, because she can't show him that meme. King would be wishing that a new funny cat video he discovers is something his dad could also laugh at along with him. Hunter would be hoping that Flapjack, the previous Golden Guards and Caleb are watching as he brings back palismen.

Bereavement, and any grief that is significant enough to alter our personhood forever, are the forms of love that can never really grasp how time flows in a linear way. They can't be reasoned with, only experienced.

"...the howling at the center of grief is raw and real. It is love in its most wild form" - Megan Devine.

#I'm applying some of this to how I'm grieving the end of the show. our relationship with it has just changed..not ended #toh analysis #the owl house #luz noceda #king clawthorne #toh hunter #philip wittebane #caleb wittebane #manny noceda #papa titan #grief in The Owl House #loz writes a meta #death mention

[pandoratheprocrasticreator]

hey yall should keep drawing vaguely catholic renaissance style art of luz like yall did with hunter after hollow mind. girl gets belos's drip and all of yall pointed at her and said "religious trauma"

#toh #the owl house #luz noceda #hunter toh #hunter noceda #emperor belos #phillip wittebane #watching and dreaming #hollow mind #for someone whos never mentioned to have any religion luz sure has been depicted in a lot of religious style art in the past few days #hell yeah! #give her more halos! #draw her in that post where shes like slightly looking down on the audience all angellic like with a big cape flowing behind her #go nuts with the shadows! #if you pose luz like a caravaggio painting know that i am kissing you on the lips #shut up pandora

[yardsards]

some observations from the new art, in no particular order and of varying importance:

-eda and luz wearing the exact same jacket, which is adorable

-vee's lil basilisk backpack, also pretty cute (and lilith also having a silly demon backpack. also perry's lil fanny pack. is alador's bag also a creature?)

-lilith looking grouchy while vee looks cheerful and hunter looks back at his group while alador looks completely disconnected. and luz looks a liiittle less confident than eda. but the rest of them have similar expresssions to the character they're paralleling

-darius's cloak looking closer to the golden guard cloak or perhaps just the emperor's coven cloaks than to his current one

-luz's portal key and king keychain

-the patches on hunter's jacket!!! bad girl coven quitter badge! flower matching willow! king/titan head! wing (for flapjack?)! and is that the abomination symbol (dadrius crumbs! or alador parallel but i'm gonna say dadrius crumbs)

-hunter's scar and the abomination sludge on alador's face being in the exact same place. also them both having really bad eye bags. possibly a parallel between hunter being abused by belos and alador being abused by odalia??? but that's pretty loose considering they appear to still be at hexside and odalia probably didn't start abusing alador til later. also alador seems the type to be messy and have a bad sleep schedule on his own, before the abuse exacerbated it

-speaking of which, everyone else has their own clothes but alador is in an extremely raggedy hexside uniform?

-the hexsquad all wearing human clothes, while the older group has more witchy clothes, except for perry

-willow in an emerald entrails t shirt!

-amity's dangly earring looks a lot like raine's usual earring (which is not visible here bc it's on their right ear). also raine and gus both have only their right ear pierced (The Gay Ear, supposedly, lmao)

-hunter's sunglasses (or glasses?) paralleling alador's goggles

-willow's heart shaped glasses. adorable.

#eliot posts #toh #the owl house #toh meta #gallery nucleus #hunter toh #alador blight #willow park #darius deamonne #perry porter #amity blight #raine whispers #luz noceda #eda clawthorne #vee noceda #lilith clawthorne #abuse mention #long post #gus porter

[anistarrose]

the rebel coven heads hiding in the night market: got some straight gas for you 🔥😛 this strain is called "hollow mind" 😳💊 it'll have you trapped inside another mindscape, and this one is a twisted nightmare 💯👨‍💻

me: yeah whatever. i don't feel shit.

5 minutes later: dude i think i just saw an amalgamation of unquiet palismen souls taking on the shape of the emperor

my buddy hunter pacing: belos is lying to me

#the owl house #luz noceda #the owl house hunter #emperor belos #surely this has been done right? #drugs mention #i guess

[welcometogrouchland]

I also think it's nice that they made Camilla a sci-fi nerd and Luz a fantasy nerd. They're genres that are often seen as completely opposing one another by many people, which is what we're led to believe about Luz and Camilla in season 1. Luz is silly, nerdy, frequently in over her head and irresponsible and loves the boiling isles. We're led to believe that Camilla is the normal, conventional TV mother who'd be disgusted and terrified by the demon realm if she saw it.

Then yesterday's lie gives us a lot of nuance to this, and we realize that while they're still very different and now on opposite sides of a conflict, both mother and daughter are incredibly kind people (seen in their treatment of Vee) who love each other but struggle to make the right choices without hurting one another.

Then thanks to them drops all this Camilla characterization and we realize! She was a nerd too this whole time! The wedge between Camilla and Luz is motivated by past traumas and grief! and for the future has them switching sides on the central conflict of where Luz should stay (Camilla now wanting Luz in the demon realm because it's what's best for her, and Luz believing that staying in the human realm is what's best for the people she loves). They finally talk and realize that, like Willow pointed out earlier in the ep, the two are so alike. Camilla reveals that she's a secret nerd too! That she had a hard time growing up and accidentally hurt Luz trying to save her from the same fait! It's so important to me that Camilla keeps calling Luz a good witch. It's affirming her interests and goals, reminding her that she's just as good as the hero of her favorite story. And Luz finally only realizes that she wants to be understood...when she's finally able to understand her mom. When she realizes that the woman she loves and admires is just as much of a nerdy screw-up as her and that there's hope for her. Her palismen ends being multiple animals at once, showing both how Luz making unconventional choices (like carving an egg) keeps paying off for her and how her potential is limitless now that she finally knows and accepts her own goals, but to me it also reminds of the fact that Camilla is a vet and passed a love of all the weird and unliked animals (like wolves, possums, snakes, etc) to her.

It's just so so sweet and it really shows how much love and thought the crew put into this mother daughter storyline (FTF haters are not welcome on this page, respectfully). I can't wait to see how both of these misunderstood but healing women (who radiate "little/big sister" and "mom" energy respectively) are gonna interact with a) the lonely, easily manipulated and well intentioned but ignorant collector (a mix of both their interests as a magic being with a space motif! I just realized that lol) and b) the nasty puritan white man who's really obsessed with conforming to society's norms even when it literally doesn't benefit him at all.

Anyway, I believe in noceda( AND clawthorne 👀) family supremacy 💙

#the owl house #toh #toh spoilers #luz noceda #camilla noceda #this isn't proofread so if there's words missing or misspellings or somethings unclear feel free to mention #but this is just a messy thought dump #I have a ROUGH WEEK. I wish there was a more positive vibe in the fandom rn (although i kinda get it but also :( sad) #but there isn't one i will create it #tentatively I don't have a responsibility to do that I just wanna talk about things i noticed and like #i am going to post reqs just u wait. bitch! #also uhhhh other things i thought while making this post but couldn't include: #hunter and gus being fantasy trekkies is really funny and cute but also fits really well with both of their characters #gus has always been in love with the human realm and this is the ultimate neat little bow on that. #he's dressed as a character he relates to (captain avery trying to get back home to the family he loves) and his interest is uniquely human #bc sci-fi is kinda uniquely rooted in/associated w/ the human realm in toh. even in something like Belos' steampunk tech #SPEAKING OF. hunter oh my GODDD #he gets so attached to the human realm in TTT bc he's finally somewhere safe (he's always been entrenched in the most- #-toxic parts of the demon realm and it's culture which is ironically propelled forward by one humans influence) #and it's like a part of him is reclaiming his weird split heritage. he loves magic and he loves sci-fi and he's silly abt both #he's not a witch or a human and he's happy. or at least he will be #anyway. i love this shows relationship to fiction it is sweet and comforting and funny

[thedailybullshit]

And as my last bit of proof that LUZ is the Caleb parallel, behold:

noodle

#the owl house spoilers #the owl house #toh #luz noceda #luz the human #titan luz #caleb wittebane #(mentioned) #stringbean #feeling very vindicated now that everyone is FINALLY paralleling Luz to Caleb

[squids-and-waffles7]

thinking ab him...

[ ID: Digital illustrations of Manny Noceda from The Owl House. In the top left is a headshot of him with a neutral expression, looking off to the side. The doodle beside that near the top is another headshot of him. He is looking sideways, a mischievous smile on his face. Below that is another headshot of Manny, laughing with his mouth open and eyes closed. The writing to the left reads, “Manny Noceda”, with scribbly stars around it. The drawing to the right of the page is of him holding a baby Luz. He looks at her sweetly, with one hand on her back and the other holding her up as she sleeps on his shoulder. End ID. ]

#the owl house #toh #manny noceda #luz noceda #he is so dad shaped #i hope we see a lil more of him. or they at least mention him again. i would be ok w even a lil crumb #hes just so!!?! AAAAA. like. whenever i think too hard ab him and camila and luz my heart explodes #GAAAAAAAAAAA #if I had a nickel for everytime I brainrotted over a toh character who has never said aword or moved but affected the story in drastic ways #i would have three nickels. which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it’s happened thrEE TIMES- #art #my art #owl house

[artsymephy]

You’re right

Let them be buddies

Buddies, playmates, partners in crime, chaotic besties, malicious soulmates, troublemaker friends, mischief pals, whatever!! I think they’d be fun! No one else gets their weirdness so they stick together !!!

#the owl house #baby belos #Everywhen and Then #toh au #luz noceda #emperor belos #toh luz #philip wittebane #ask #Luz is more extroverted and very open about her weirdness #Philip is a little more timid here more of a creepy kid type #the show didn’t want to explore the idea of Philip being an outsider in his own town and forced to change so I will #Luz & Philip #is it a bad time to mention I wrote a fanfic about this AU #but only wrote like 1 chapter that focused on the Wittebros story modernized #anyway yeah they’d be fun as friends #imagine them as childhood friends but then things happen #Luz moves and loses her dad #Philip loses his parents and moves from home to home under foster care #he has Caleb but turns into a very troubled kid #neither has had a single friend for years and then they find each other again #I put way too much thought into this bye