Regardless of whether you ship them or not Chrissy died brutally right in front of his eyes, I’d really like to clarify I’m not saying this as a shipper, if someone died like Chrissy did right in front of your eyes it’d literally be the only thing on your mind for a while. It would haunt you. I’m not saying this as “Chrissy was constantly on his mind 😍” I’m saying this as “Chrissy was constantly on his mind 😔”
By the way, they’re talking about the scene where Eddie tells Steve to make Vecna pay. Both shippers are forgetting that Vecna ruined Eddie’s life too because of what he did the whole town thinks he is a psycho serial killer, he not only want’s vengeance for Chrissy he wants vengeance for himself too.
He has a heart, he’s not an emotionless psycho, he cared about Chrissy, it doesn’t matter if you think he cared about her as a friend, as someone with romantic interest or just as a peer. If you seriously think he wasn’t thinking about Chrissy in that moment, even just a little bit, you might as well be just like Jason and all his friends who think he never cared about anyone.
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Hi friends. I’ve rambled A LOT about the out of the blue, jarring S*tancy moments in ST4 that could cause some Jancy issues (I’m hopeful it doesn’t) but I really haven’t processed or considered the very real, non-Steve threats to Jancy this season and wanted to take a moment to show where each character is at and how they feel about their relationship in the moment:
At this point, Jonathan...
is terrified of ending up like his parents
doesn’t want to follow Nancy to Boston for a dream that isn’t even his own
doesn’t want to leave his family because he feels responsible for them
is lying to Nancy about wanting to go to Emerson and doesn’t want to confess
despite the fact he is disappointed, a part of him is massively relieved Nancy didn’t come to visit because Jonathan...
believes that if he tells Nancy he wants to stay and California and attend Lenora Community, she will abandon her Emerson dreams and follow him (which... Jonathan, bb, I love you, I love you and Nancy together so much, and I like to think I know Nancy’s character, but have you met your girlfriend? NO part of me thinks she would drop her dream college for Jonathan UNLESS there was a very comparable school in Cali she also expressed interest in (which to my knowledge there is not and she has not))
doesn’t know what to do so he’s not dealing with it and is pushing Nancy away until she inevitably leaves him (because he doesn’t know how to handle everything. I don’t think his line about breaking up with Nancy is a reflection of him wanting to break up with Nancy, I think it has more to do with his own self sabotage and seeing no other way out. He views her leaving him as inevitable.)
let’s his worry for Nancy out weigh his avoidant behavior and plans the escape to Hawkins (which we all know how that ends up)
Nancy...
is hurt, lonely, confused, and frustrated
mentions feeling annoyed that Jonathan isn’t there when talking with Fred but her hurt and frustration come through while talking with Robin later in the season.
states that Jonathan was supposed to visit her and he backed out at the last second with only a vague excuse
confesses she wasn’t too shocked because she has been feeling him pull away lately
Nancy explicitly states that she is feeling him pull away (not them drifting apart). This places the blame on Jonathan for the stress of the relationship (and I don’t think she’s totally wrong for doing this. Jonathan basically admits this is his doing).
rants that she doesn’t know why he’s pulling away. It might be the massive distance or other reasons.
explicitly mentions one of these reasons is that she fears he may have met someone new which shows me she’s feeling very vulnerable and unloved
expresses frustration that she can’t even get in contact with him to figure out why he’s not here and why he is pulling away from her because the Byers’ phone isn’t working.
Clearly there is a massive breakdown in their communication that could easily be fixed with them speaking to one another, but the separate life goals are very concerning. Specifically, Jonathan saying going to Emerson is not a part of his dream while Nancy applied early application and the fact he has been lying about it.
Do you think they can work through this? How do you think the show can/will handle it? How do you wish the show would handle it?
I’m really curious to know people’s thoughts. Did I miss anything? Go ahead and leave a comment or send an ask with your thoughts. I’ve also transcribed relevant scenes below the cut if people are interested:
Jonathan on his relationship issues with Nancy
“I don’t know, a part of me expected her to be on that plane. Or something. Just, like, ‘Hey! Surprise! Here I am...’ But also, I felt this... I felt this intense relief when she wasn’t there.” (argyle reassures) “No... No, no, that’s not it. Hey, if I show you something, you wouldn’t tell anyone, right?” (Pulls out letter, hands it to Argyle) “It’s an acceptance letter to Lenora Community” (Argyle states that Jonathan is going to Emerson with Nancy) “No, I’m not. She just doesn’t know it yet.” (Argyle is confused) “Like, I can’t leave my mom and my brother to chase a dream that isn’t mine.” (Argyle tells him he’s dead) “What was I supposed to do?” (Not lie!) “Not lie?” (Yeah!) “Not lie?!” (YEAH!) “So I just, I just tell her the truth?” (Yes!) “No, no because... because if I told her the truth then she’d just, she’d just throw her dreams out the window to come out here and be with me and... I just I can’t take that. Like, you know, like this huge knot of resentment would build like some cancer until eventually she hates me. And then, and then before you know it, we’re just like my mom and dad: divorced, my kids hate me...” (Argyle misses the shot and says shit) “Yeah shit! I mean it’s all shit. Augh! The cycle never ends.” (Yeah, your nightmare cycle, you want it to stop. But what is your approach here, man, to just slow motion break up with Nancy?) “...I guess?” (No, man!) “I know, I know, I don’t know what to do.” (Argyle tells Jonathan to smoke more and Jonathan runs to the van and leaps through the driver’s window *chef’s kiss*)
Nancy on her relationship issues with Jonathan
“It’s just, he was supposed to be here for the break and then he backed out at the last minute for some vague, mumbly, Jonathan reason and you know, to be honest, I’m not even that surprised because I’ve been feeling him pulling away lately and I don’t know if it’s because we’re 2,000 miles away, or if he met someone new, or what... And now I can’t find out why because apparently he’s blown up his family’s house phone or something. So, yeah, if the mention of his name caused a slight muscle spasm on my face that’s... probably why.”
Jonathan and Nancy talking about each other (relevant pieces only; no lies)
“You just don’t understand Nancy.”
“He’s not like you, he’s caring and compassionate and--”
“-- incredibly ambitious. She’s never done a thing halfway in her life.”
“He’s so protective over the people that he loves.”
“If she takes on editor of the school paper, she’s gonna make that the best god-damn school paper that’s ever existed.”
“And he’ll never back down from what’s right, what’s moral. No matter the pressure, no matter the personal cost.”
“That’s why I love her.”
“That’s why I love him.”
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I just know that minors in fandom spaces aren’t being ageist to adults in fandom spaces…
Because how the hell are minors going to be ageist when the reason half these fandoms are alive and active are because of the adults creating content for them? How the adults are the ones actually creating / writing all these games, animes, books, and shows that they so wholeheartedly love? If it weren’t for the adults in these fandoms, half of the stuff wouldn’t even exist.
Like how adults that have been in the fandoms for decades, since before the remakes and remasters came out? It just makes no sense to me, the lack of respect for adults in fandom spaces (whether they’re SFW or NSFW creators) is crazy. Adults, regardless of if they have kids, families, or not, are allowed to have hobbies.
Adults should be the ones creating adult content, not minors. The fact minors take issue with adults not being comfortable with children making adult content is baffling? Reading and creating are different things.
And adults are allowed to have MDNI plastered all over their blogs! <33
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