#mandalore the ultimate

[curiouscatmatt]

Sure the darksaber is cool and all but I prefer helmets as a symbol lol

#tumblr #the mandolorian #true mandalorians #sw kotor #mandalore #mandalore the ultimate #gamer #gamerlife #gamercommunity #star wars #knights of the old republic #darth revan #darth malak

[crackedopen]

FINALLY

DONE

#crackedopen art #my art #my redesigns #crackedopen ocs #crackedopen worldbuilding #beginner digital artist #mandalorian culture #mand'alor #mandalorians #mandalore #mandalore the ultimate #my taung redesign #taungs #the old republic #star wars #star wars fanart #digital artwork #digital drawing #digital art #sketchbook #darksaber

[cienie-isengardu]

Cienie’s take on Mandalorian Culture: Kad Ha’rangir and mandalorian traditional weapons, p.1

Foreword

Tie-in Legends source materials are in general agreement that Taungs, the alien species that created Mandalorian culture ~7000  BBY, originally worshiped many gods. With passing time their belief system morphed into the concept of War being itself divine and reverential. In the period after the Sith War (3996 BBY) and before the early raids (3976 BBY) leading to start of Mandalorian Wars (3964 BBY), humans and other Aliens who proved themselves in battle and followed Mandalorian Canons of Honor were allowed into warrior ranks on an equal right, however Taungs themselves were already a dying out species.

The last Taung Mandalore, known as the Mandalore the Ultimate, died in the final battle of Mandalorian Wars in 3960 BBY and this military conflict ended both Taung hegemony and their religious beliefs in “holy carnage”. The new brand of Mandalorians kept combat and fighting skills in high regard, sought challenges to improve themselves and gain an honor but a great number of warriors went into mercenary work solely for money or the thrill of the hunt. This mercenary mindset lasted to modern days while the old faith faded away into obscurity although some knowledge and the echo of original religion remained in (human) Mandalorian culture. 

Thus to understand forgotten religion better, the original mythology should be analyzed based on Taung and early Mandalorian culture. This is especially important since the knowledge that survived to current times may be greatly distorted as the proper context can be lost due to abrupt social changes that happened to Mandalorian culture, especially in the last seven hundred years, starting with Republic attack in 738 BBY (known also as Mandalorian Excision) that divided society into two opposite faction (pacifists and warriors loyal to Old Ways) and ending with Imperial occupation that brought much destruction to Mandalore and its people. The Mandalorian Excision especially led to devastating social-economic changes, as New Mandalorians rejected the warrior traditions in favor of safe neutrality and in result, those loyal to Old Ways became a (religious?) minority that over time lost its influence on official Mandalore politics, at least up to the Clone Wars and Imperial occupation era. 

For those unfamiliar with Mandalorian lore, the three most known gods are:

Kad Ha’rangir - the all-seeing creator of tests and trials

Arasuum - the god of stagnation and sloth

Hod Haran - the trickster, agent of fickle fortune

The first two deities were introduced in an article Mandalorians: People and Culture (Insider #86) while the last was revealed in Death Watch Manifesto (Bounty Hunter Code) and both sources suggest modern (human) Mandalorians do not worship those gods like their forefathers did, if ever at all they pay attention to any religious side of their culture. This raises a question though, how much modern interpretation of those gods - the only one we truly have - is in fact compatible with their original form? 

Let's start with Kad Ha'rangir. 

My main problem with seeing Kad Ha'rangir as the most important deity worshiped by warriors during Taung!Mandalorian hegemony comes down to his name itself.

”Ha’rangir“ can be easily tie down to words for hell and destruction such like haran and raangir (the command raangir! means literally go to hell! as the original mando’a dictionary states) which makes sense why the god’s epitome is Destructor while "Kad" in the mandalorian language means "sword" or "saber"[1]. However none of those types of blades were associated with the first Mandalorians. The older sources made it clear Taungs held in high regard axes as their traditional and/or ceremonial weapon and still used them (alongside spear-like and other atypical blades) on the battlefield despite access to technologically advanced weaponry. 

This can be observed through:

Tales of the Jedi: Sith War, during duel between Mandalore the Indomitable and Ulic Qel-Droma (issue #1)

Mandalore: You fight unfairly Qel-Droma! Put away your blood-thirsty weapon... use this, the simple weapon of my forefathers.

Ulic Qel Droma: "Perhaps I’ll fight with one of your weapons”

when Mandalore the Indomitable fought on Dxun moon against native predators

and with plenty of frames of Mandalorian warriors using axes and spear-like weapons during battles - including air battles -  despite the advanced technology.

The period of time covered by comics precedes the Great Adoption that officially opened Mandalorian ranks to non-Taung people, including humans. Even if Knights of the Old Republic tie-in sources are true and during this war humans already took part in the conflict as Mandalore the Indomitable’s supporters - whatever as full-fledged warriors or just vassals - Mandalorians presented in comics clearly favored axes and spear-like weapon and unless I missed some vital details from six issues, there was no weapons resembling typical looking sword or saber. 

Knights of the Old Republic, whose story and characters are greatly influenced by the previous Sith War, mentioned Mandalore the Indomitable’s duel with Ulic Qel-Droma. The same as in original comics, the Fallen Jedi used a traditional mythosaur axe (KotOR #48).

Another example comes from Mandalore the Ultimate (KotOR#20)

“Recognize this axe? It was forged from your so-called Courageous—when we began melting it down for scrap!"

There is a 30 year time interval between Sith Wars (3996 BBY) and Mandalorian Wars (3964 BBY), Taungs were dying out species already yet Mandalore the Ultimate still chose a traditional Mandalorian weapon as his own. Upgraded and made of cortosis[2], but keeping the characteristic shape.

The authors of comics on purpose tied Mandalore the Ultimate’s weapon to those of Taungs from Sith Wars, as was mentioned by J. J. Miller:

The design of Mandalore’s axeblade goes all the way back to Mandalore the Indomitable, many, many comic books ago. Another one of our Tales of the Jedi links... Dario Carrasco’s design, I think. Clearly the main function of the version seen here, with the ceremonial staff, is as a battlefield standard, and the huge blade size serves that purpose well. (Though as we can see, it has other capabilities, yet to be described...)

Star Wars Miniatures too presented Mandalore the Indomitable with a characteristic axe and spear known from original comics. 

(Photo and more details on rebelscum.com)

We know only three Taung miniatures, one that may represent even the pre-Mandalorian era?, and two Mandalores. The first uses an unusual weapon (no sword or axe), the Indomitable has mentioned axe and spear while the Ultimate is presented with a blaster. No directly established Taungs, though coming from different times, carry a sword.

Another mention comes from History of the Mandalorians [insider #80]  

Named for an extinct, gargantuan monster of the Mandalorian past, the Mythosaur Axe is a traditional Mandalorian weapon. With overlapping blades of calcified mythosaur bone on either side of the handle, this shell-like pattern makes any point on the razor-sharp axe deadly.

or Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide:

Crafte from the calcified bones of the extinct monster for which it is named, the Mythosaur axe is one ceremonial weapon that can be deadly. Mandalore the Ultimate’s Variation, atop a staff, uses modern metals and an energy cell to achieve double the damage.

Additionally, Mandalore the Indomitable and the Ultimate both have mythosaur axes written into their respective character stats data in melee category & possession (and spear, for Indomitable) while other presented Mandalorians are A) in majority described as humans and B) their stats vary and so there are options like: unarmed, dragger, knife, mace, vibroblade, vibrodagger or bayonet but none ax mentioned directly.

Hasbro’s STAR WARS EVOLUTIONS (The Fett Legacy) set presented a figure of Mandalore the Indomitable, again with battle ax and spear:

more photos and details on rebelscum.com

[The Next Part]: There are in theory contradicting sources about Taungs...

SIDENOTES:

[1] As far as I know, there is no official word for ax in the original mando’a dictionary published by Karen Traviss. One could argue that the kad word could include all blades in general yet though mando’a lacks a certain terms such like “hero”, it has many different words for “stab” thus I believe Mandalorian knowledge and dedication to weapons should generated an individual name to each type of melee weapons, the same as the language already differentiate between sword (kad) and knife (kal).

[2] cortosis, metal that may whistand lightsaber

#star wars #cienie's take on mandalorian culture #cienie's research #mandalorians #mandalorian culture #mandalorian religion #kad ha'rangir #taungs #sadly i needed to cut text in smaller parts #too much sources to talk lol #i have a theory about kad ha'rangir and the swords in original mandalorian culture i'm trying to prove #we will see if the ending conclusion will fit or turn to be something totally different #mandalore the indomitable #mandalore the ultimate #ulic qel droma

[bojangos]

quietly adding “cassus fett x te anila” to my list of ships.  

happy pride i guess lmfao.

#kotor #tales of the jedi #star wars legends #LOOK. LOOK. #IT'S A LITTLE. YEAH. #congratulations ur war criminal invading conquerors are gay for each other! #cassus fett #te anila #mandalore the ultimate

[ice-6caydesqueen]

Manda’lore the ultimate coming back from the dead to bash people on the head for calling dins sect a cult

They literally have the crusader and neo crussader banners the man did not start the mandalorian wars for his traditions and the Taung to be disrespected by Disney onlys

Manda’lore the ultimate (maybe revans buir)

3rd manda’lore

Ps no manda’lore the great the only manda’lors to see a mythasour was manda’lore the first

#manda’lor #manda’lor the ultimate #mandalorian season 3 #mandalorian #mandalorian culture #mandalorian wars #mandalore the ultimate

[the-baddest-of-batches]

Dar'Aliit: Chapter Nine - Bad Company (Sneak Peek)

13 BBY ???

The white grain spreads around me on all sides. I’m a child again, dressed in the familiar blue uniform of a cadet.

If I put out my hands, I can’t even touch the top of the grain, but it goes on forever. And the drums. The drums beat in the distance.

Where am I?

I keep walking. Ahead of me move shadows in the form of men. They wear a kit I recognize, right up to the helmets. They walk far ahead of me. I break out into a run, but no matter how far I go, I can’t reach them as they walk toward the horizon.

One by one, they’re gone. Ghosts.

I keep walking, hoping to catch sight of them again. But the terrain grows only rockier. I stumble. My foot catches the divot in the ground. I almost fall, but catch myself and briefly there it is, a deep snare drum sounding loudly. Gasping, I collect myself and walk on as more drums join the chorus. There’s voices amid them.

It’s a song I don’t know.

But the music is familiar. Something old and Mandalorian. Distracted by it, I stumble out onto a footpath and this time, I fall.

My knees hit the ground, jarring me. Before I can scramble up a pair of boots appear and stop before me. They’re black, except for the dust stuck to them. A cloak hangs to the ground. I lift my gaze and find armored legs, dented beaten armor and a thick shoulder pauldron segmented and strapped together with leather. Above it all rests a helmet carved from bone.

The T-visor is unmistakable, though. This is a man I’ve only read about. Mandalore the Ultimate.

The drums are thudding in my head now, threatening my ear drums. Then they are silent.

I pant, unsure why fear has turned my skin cold, but unable to break its hold. And my eyes flicker off to see another figure far off. I cannot make them out, but they are following my path exactly.

I strain to see them, but the Mandalore moves and his hand emerges from his cloak. He reaches down and offers his hand to me. I take it. He helps me up.

Again from within the cloak, he produces another hand, this time holding a helmet, black, dented, mangled almost. It looks like it’s been through hell.

Silent, he places it in my hands. I stare at the empty visor, reflecting my own childlike face. A face I haven’t seen in years. The face of a cadet.

When I look up, I stand alone. The drums beat louder and crescendo into a flourish. The last beat strikes, hitting a chord in my heart and suddenly I’m falling, starting, and jerking awake.

#

20 BBY Indol Mines

We were wrong. Looking over the edge of the pit that spirals downward into mines I note the ranks of thin necked B1’s completing their drills, marching back and forth under the watch of an orange painted Tank Commander. SBD are stationed around old mining tracks. In the center sits a decommission crane, at least I assume that’s what it once was given the placement, and the fact this was once a mine. All that remains is the scaffolded base, though. The rest has been converted into a fully functional surface to air ion cannon.

That’s what took down our ships. That thing killed Aftermath.

Crouching along the edge it’s clear I’m outnumbered. One clone and a small battalion of droids. No doubt more wait hidden in the mines. This is their base of operations and we never knew it.

Everything before this was a front to destroy us and pick us off so the Seps could steamroll the survivors. I don’t know what they want with this planet and it’s people, but I know they sure as hell aren’t getting it.

Each droid is a blip on my HUD. I creep behind another rock and sit with my back flat to it. I grip the stolen droid blaster. If I was suicidal maybe I’d go in guns blazing. Sadly even I’m not that brave.

But I’m no idiot either. I toggle my scanner, and while it’s rudimentary compared to a real planetary scan, I can see there are in fact more red blips inside. Probably whatever patrols are keeping out predators, and no doubt more droids racked and ready for deployment.

From this vantage point I can make out one clear weakness. The mines are old, which means everythings been dug out of them. All that remains are a few rock pillars holding up the structures and scaffolding left behind by miners. A couple well placed charges and the whole thing will come crumbling down.

Aftermath would approve.

The only problem is I don’t have the ordinance. But the droids do. Among the marching chunk-chunk-chunk of the parading SBD’s are smaller droids clanking along the tracks with carts of weapons. A quick zoom on my HUD and I can make out more than enough ordinance to take down a mine. There’s enough ordinance there to take down another whole city.

They didn’t just kill Aftermath. They killed them all.

I glance back at the horizon. I haven’t seen a trooper since I left. If they are looking for me, they’ll presume me dead eventually. No one else even knows about this place except that kid. If they Jedi can get him to talk and decipher what he meant, or triangulate this position, it’ll take them hours to get through all the decisions needed to mobilize even a few troops. Chain of Command exists for a reason, but sometimes, it only gets people killed.

Whether I succeed or fail here is entirely on me.

But if I do succeed, if I survive, where do I go after?

I remain perched at the edge staring at the pit of hell before me. Surviving is slim, but it seems to be the only thing I have done so far. Every mission, every squad, I’m the survivor. Returning to the 212th will just restart the cycle. More people will die, and I’ll still be here mourning every death. I’m a walking calamity. Maybe I’m death itself.

I shake my head and steel my nerves. I can’t go back. I won’t go back.

Deserting might not be the most honorable thing to do, but if it keeps someone alive then maybe it’s the right thing to do. I’ll stay here, let them think I’m dead and hide out, live among the locals and become a quiet farmer where no one will have to remember who I am, where I come from, or why I exist.

Farming was their dream. I’ll live it for them.

A tinny voice calls out an order. I look back. I can dream later. First I need to take revenge.

Part Two coming tomorrow!

#part one #fanfic #clone trooper oc #clone troopers #sneak preview #chapter nine #fic writer #wattpad #ao3 fanfic #writerblr #vode #212th battalion #jedi oc #revenge #tw war #survival #mandalorian #mandalore the ultimate #dream sequence

[ipreferfiction]

head empty no thoughts just cassus forging armor with a pattern to mirror the sunburst pattern of the mask of mandalore in a universe where he and ultimate both survive

#cassus fett #mandalore the ultimate #kotor #im so normal about people whose characters i wholesale invented <3 #god. what even do i call this ship

[cieniewmroku]

#star wars #Mandalore The Ultimate #cassus fett #my art #my old art #it is my headcanon that the Taungs / original Mandalorians were an oviparous species #and thus the life of Cassus Fett was miserable

[onikaizoku]

Some Cassus/Mandalore smut I forgot I never posted to tumblr

#cassus fett #mandalore the ultimate #mand'alor te anila #cassulti #cassus x mandalore #star wars #oni writes #my writing #damn I really forgot the ship name for one of my favorite ships #rip

[kanansdume]

The Mandalorian switched from writing a story following the arc of Ice Age (2002) to writing a story following the arc of Shazam (2019) in-between seasons 2 and 3, and this is why a perfectly satisfying ending to a two season miniseries got ruined.

#the mandalorian #din djarin #grogu #something something if they wanted a huge mandalore-centric storyline this is what tbobf should've been #tbobf shouldn't have been mando chapter 2.5 #it should've been the second book in a duology #look they could've done one or the other #a beautiful story where grogu is desperately searching for the jedi to the exclusion of all other connections and it's HURTING HIM #it's hurting to not be able to let go of this desperate desire to find a family that may or may not even be out there anymore #and ultimately his connections to din allow him to heal enough that he recognizes being a jedi is no longer the right path for him #he goes to luke and it's just.... not the way he thought it would be and THAT'S OKAY #OR #you do a beautiful story where din finds a lost child and bonds with it as he works to return the child to their family #and din builds up more connections along the way via having to help this child #which ultimately helps him heal from something or grow in a certain better direction #but he always is going to let the child go at the end because keeping the child was NEVER THE POINT #but we started with one arc and ended it and then suddenly pivoted into another one so we could just keep it going #so that lovely satisfying ending just... went away #like it never existed #but it wasn't grogu's story to begin with #it was din's #just like ice age wasn't actually about the baby at all #it was about manny #whereas in shazam the story isn't about billy's mother it's about BILLY #mandalorian isn't grogu's story so there's nowhere for him to go now that he's not with the jedi #it's DIN'S STORY but grogu's part in it is over so he's just a money making accessory at this point

[mandalorianhistorian]

Taung appreciation post

Manda’lor the ultimate

#mandalorian culture #mandalorians #mandalorian #star wars eu #star wars expanded universe #Manda’lor the ultimate #taung #mandalor #manda’lor

[crackedopen]

WiP ;)

#crackedopen art #crackedopen worldbuilding #my art #my wips #my taung redesign #crackedopen redesign #concept art #beginner concept artist #concept artist #mandalore #mandalorians #mandalorian culture #mando #mand'alor #mandalore the ultimate #mandalorian #mandalorian+headcanons #messy sketch #sketch #sketchbook #star wars #star wars fanart #old republic #star wars old republic #taungs

[stuffedeggplants]

I didn't want to hijack/derail countessofbiscuit's post about opinions regarding Codywan, but another thing for me--and this is actually much less about Codywan than it is about certain writing choices in clone/Jedi ships--is that I like seeing clones as the heroes of their own story, as actors who effect change for themselves without needing to appeal to a more powerful person as though they're helpless to do something themselves. I understand that there's some amount of fulfilling the wish for a more ideal world/a monumental righting of wrongs in writing something where a Jedi is made to understand 'slavery = bad' through their relationship with one of their soldiers, then becoming an unrelenting moral crusader on behalf of all clones, but a lot about that dynamic really does not do it for me. (I could probably articulate why but it might take me a few days to separate out all the threads of that tapestry.)

Come to think of it, a reason I like Republic Commando so much is that it very much does not do that. The decisions our characters make don't have a sweeping impact that upends the entire system--they don't have the power to do that individually--but they do make their own, meaningful choices with what they do have the power to do, even if it's just on the level of "throw my dress blues into a trash compactor and walk off base never to be seen by the wider world again."

#Maze and Ordo are sort of foils for each other and both understand 100% what kind of system they're in #They both have different reactions to it but neither of them appeal to the Jedi to 'save' them or advocate on their behalf or something #Like to the point where they'd be very different people if they did and I cannot imagine that for their characters at all #(I mean just look at Maze's final conversation/confrontation with Skirata on Mandalore) #But back to Codywan (which I never started discussing at all) #aside from fandom-specific issues that turn me off to it #ultimately a lot of Cody's personality is extrapolation and headcanon #And given my understanding of Obi-wan's character and what he's like #I just don't really see it for either of them #though there are three authors whose Codywan stuff I will read because they did a sufficiently good job for me to buy it/like it in their AU #I typed and deleted like three extra paragraphs from this post and it's very early here so this post might be less put together #than it was originally #clone wars #star wars

[stellorc]

flesh & bone

My gift for the lovely @ipreferfiction for the kotor gift exchange! I screamed so much when I got you and even more when I saw the opportunity to draw these awful men. Lineart isn't my forte but I had tons of fun doing this. Huge thanks and lots of kudos to @commander-krios for hosting this wholesome and amazing event! Going through everyone's works is such a pleasure, full joy, angst and inspiration.

#im still over the moon with the gifts I got good lord it's so so pretty #and everyone who participated was so fucking talented #an absolute treat overall #anyway I've been wanting to scream about this piece since November so now I'm pleased #cassus fett #mandalore ultimate #kotor gift exchange 2022

[cienie-isengardu]

Cienie's Sidenotes: Human Mandalorians or vassals? (Pre-Mandalorian Wars era)

Up to the Mandalorian Wars, humans living on planets like Concord Dawn and Gargon, were part of Mandalorian society yet fulfilled the role of vassals to their Mandalorian (Taung) overlords, as was stated in "Industry. Honor. Savagery: Shaping the Mandalorian Soul” [The Essential Guide to Warfare, 2012]:

The Jakehans, for one, welcomed their new Mandalorian overlords, as did knots of worlds populated by humans centered on Concord Dawn and Gargon. Those worlds—along with the likes of Hrthging, Breshig. Shogun, and Ordo—became part of Mandalorian Space.

Bounty Hunter Code implies too that humans were officially accepted into Mandalorian ranks thanks to Mandalore the Ultimate and the Great Adoption:

“Of the ancient Mandalores, we hold none in higher esteeem than Mandalore the Ultimate, the Great Shadow Father of our clans. On Shogun, then as now planet of visions, Mandalore the Ultimate received a staggering prophecy: The age of Taung was ending, but their great work was unfinished. To survive, the Mando’ade must be transformed. It was a terrible burden, but Mandalore the Ultimate bore it with honor. He opened the clans to all who proved themselves in battle and followed the warrior code. Non-Taung were no longer confined to vassalship, but could be full-fledged Mandalorian warriors. Our forefathers were among these new Mando’ade, and soon proved that they were ready to lead the clans.”

The History of the Mandalorians (2005) also notes the "ethnic" uniformity of the original Mandalorians

"Though in modern times the Mandalorians have became a grab-bag of alien races, including humanoids, Togorians, and Kerestians, the Mandalorians were once strictly a gray-skinned warrior race. Xenoantropologists believe that this original Mandalorian species was descended from the ancient Taung Shadow Warriors of Dha Werda Verda legend."

and non-Taungs - beside Mandallian Giants - were just accepted and treated as equals in the period between Sith War and Mandalorians Wars.

"[...] the temporary defeat precipitated a frenzied conviction that the "Great Last Battle" was at hand. For 20 years, the Mandalorians zealously invaded small non-Republic worlds on the fringe of Known Space, raiding their resources and building up a powerful army. Anticipating an apocalyptic war, the Neo-Crusaders began accepting members of other species into their midst, treating these "converts" as equals."

However, Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide suggest that humans, like Ordo Canderous, fought in the Sith Wars already as Mandalorian Crusader - albeit Canderous himself would be pretty young from what I gathered about his history. In the KotOR game in one of his dialogues Ordo proclaimed “I've been fighting across the galaxy for 40 of your years” and the game was set in 3956 BBY. The Mandalorian Wars ended four years before, in 3960 BBY.  The Sith War ended in 3996 BBY.  The time difference between Sith War and the events of the game adds up to 40 years (and whether Ordo stated exact amount or rounded number, is up to debate). So even if his fighting experiences dated back to the Sith War, he would rather be a novice warrior than a seasoned veteran. Additionally, The History of the Mandalorians states that Ordo Canderous was "recruited or "converted" to Mandalore's the Ultimate's cause during Mandalorian Wars, where he was among those to serve as a battle tactician rather than a foot soldier. What confirms Ordo's great skills/war experiences in the later conflict, yet implies the not-equal status during Sith War.

At the same time, as Taung were already dying species, it makes sense to enlist human members of Mandalorian clans as additional troopers, as vassals usually are bound to support their lords in time of war. There is also a possibility that humans living in Mandalorian clans were naturally assimilated into culture through the ages - if they were considered to be part of Mandalorian society each human wishing to earn the warrior rank should only need to prove themselves in fight to gain Taungs’ recognition as Taungs in general didn’t care for species, only for skills, loyalty to clan and Mandalorian creed (honor). 

This is especially important as the Crusaders (traditional Mandalorians) did not proselytize people around them,as was stated in KotOR Campaign Guide:

The traditional Crusaders do not proselytize; rather, they attract others to their cause throught the examples they set. Veterans see the later Neo-Crusaders movement, which actively converts outsiders in its hurry to conquer the galaxy, as a perversion.

which suggests the will to join warrior ranks needed to come from an individual human/non-Taung - and who knows, maybe those who didn’t want be warriors were simply allowed to life in peace as farmers, blacksmiths, artisans and any other job that supported the warrior culture of their Taung lords? Especially since some Mandalorians are known under the Fett surname (originally written as Vheff) and the word means literally a farmer. In contrast, the Mandalorian movement known as Neo-Crusaders that started in the period between Sith Wars and Mandalorian Wars and who became the majority part of Mandalore the Ultimate’s army actively converts humans and Aliens alike to warrior culture, even against their will, as could be seen in Knights of the Republic and KotOR:War comics series. 

Thinking about the issue more, in those two mentioned comics, only Mandalore the Ultimate is recognized as Taung in tie-in materials, so the Neo-Crusader movement may be itself a result of the Great Adoption (change of traditional laws?) and made by former vassals who spread the culture further than Taungs would normally did.

Personally I like to think that individual human members of Mandalorian clans could earn the warrior title before Sith War, especially since humans (vassals) slowly grew into numbers while Taung species was dying out. This may be supported by Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide that states:

“The traditional Mandalorian Crusader - from the days before the Neo-Crusader movement - lives like his ancestors. Many are born into the clans. The majority are Human, although members of the Taung species remain, as well as some alien converts.”

My conclusion at this moment is that the relationship between human vassalship and Taung lords naturally grown into clan dynamic between those two groups and those who proved themselves in battle earned the respect of Mandalorian warriors yet from a legal point of view and/or commonly recognized customs there still was a distinction between Taungs and human members of the society, at least until Mandalore the Ultimate officially abolished the division by opening the rank to anyone willing to join.

This could also affect the type of weapon and its dependence on social status. Thus the right to carry traditional and/or ceremonial Mythosaur axes could be for some religious or social reason restricted solely to Taungs (especially the experienced warriors?) and that is why we do not see officially recognized non-Taung carrying mythosaur ax, beside Ulic Qel-Droma while dueling Mandalorian the indomitable.

Of course, there is not enough data to make a proper analysis of the social-economy situation of human vassals and those voluntarily converted to warrior religion. However the mass indoctrination to Mandalorian Way for sure happened during Neo-Crusaders era which was the starting point for human dominance that lasted to modern time, as now there are few Aliens in Mandalorian ranks, while axes (Taung traditional weapons) gave way to swords more commonly used by humans, like Darksaber or beskad (sword made out of mandalorian iron).

#star wars #cienie's research #cienie's take on mandalorian culture #cienie's sidenotes #i was going put in in main text about kad ha'rangir but then decided to divide the monster-meta in smaller pieces #so i guess i'm gonna stick to the humans officially were accepted into mandalorian rank thanks to mandalore the ultimate #and those who gained the title of mandalorian warrior before that did it on their own and may not be the norm

[ice-6caydesqueen]

Mando may 2023

Day 6 Aay’han - bittersweet, mourning and joy at once

I like to believe manda’lor the Ultimate had a partner it was never stated or shown but that's just my idea

#kotor #mandalorian wars #mandalor the ultimate #my art #ice-6 art #manda’lor the ultimate #mando may #mando may 2023 #mandalore the ultimate #mandalorians