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hamliet · 11 months
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Never Have I Ever... Been So Grateful For a Show
Well, NHIE finished strong after the fourth season got off to a rocky start. The first three episodes were... messy, honestly, but then the story picked up steam. By the time we got to the final two episodes I was bawling pretty much the full way through.
NHIE also continued to flex its mature understanding of nuance, its appreciation for cultural differences, and its determination to keep its characters flawed and realistic. And including a game of Never Have I Ever in the finale? Fab.
All in all, it's a great ending to a great show. I loved it.
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Ben and Devi
I've seen people complaining that the end relationship was predictable, or that Devi should be single, and kindly: no. <3
It fit Devi's character to end up in romantic love with someone, because the entire show has been about love for her. Love for her family, love for those who have died, love for her friends, love for her mentors, and yes, romantic love in all the aspects that entails (physical, intellectual, emotional).
The other thing that I think is beautiful about their relationship is that they both push each other in all these ways--physical (obviously), emotionally (Ben's final realization in New York was chef's kiss), and intellectual. They both get to go to their dream schools in part because of each other. Not only have they been pushing each other to excel since before the show started, but Devi helps Ben finish his schoolwork, and Ben encourages Devi to write that final letter to get into Princeton.
Ben's early acceptance to Columbia, which seemed a given given, well, his father and nepotism (I appreciated the show behind upfront about this), ultimately still almost gets sabotaged by his own repressing of other aspects of his life (which parallels Paxton, Blair Quan, and more, and isn't exactly new--see Ben's physical issues last season). This contrasts him with Devi, whose self-sabotage is always doing too much too suddenly. She's been trying so hard all along, but sometimes you need a final cheer to push you over the finish line.
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Ben and Devi, Ethan and Margot
Ethan is dark!Ben. Margot is dark!Devi. On paper it's great.
Except... Margot was really, really annoying. I'm sorry, I found nothing remotely redeeming about her. Ethan at least served a purpose. The reason I think the first three episodes are so rough is that they focus on Margot but seem to not know what to do with her. But more about that later on.
Ben's speech about why he chooses to be with Margot in the first episode is well done and shows how much growth he still has to do. Because an essential part of love--of a mature kind of love and relationship--is that you are challenged to become a better version of yourself. Ben and Trent, in episode 2, shy away from this. Trent breaks up with Eleanor because he's afraid she'll break up with him, and he wants to do it first. Ben stays with Margot because she offers him superficial challenges, but nothing substantial in terms of his flaws.
That said, Devi making peace with Margot (numerous times) was narratively necessary because, of course, Margot's kind of a literary shadow (just not really well done). It also showed how much Devi's grown.
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Trent + Eleanor
Trent's character is also really well done. That's how you deepen a comedic character. (Ethan was also dark!Trent in some ways; hence, Eleanor's crush on him.) Yeah, Trent's a stoner and not so bright. But, he loves Eleanor. He adores her, and he wholeheartedly believes in her. It's heartwarming to see.
I wasn't surprised they broke up early on, but was relieved they got back together. I think it was a funny inversion of what you'd expect, because El moving on to bigger and better things seemed like a natural progression. Yet, as the scene with El's mom showed... that's not what bigger and better is for Eleanor.
Yes, Eleanor still wants to grow. Yes, she still wants to be an actress and a director, and she's good at it.
But she doesn't want to leave her family and loved ones behind.
Eleanor knows what it's like to be left behind. And obviously it's not the same to leave a teenage boyfriend as to leave your own child like her mom. But, Eleanor ending up back with Trent was, frankly, narratively perfect for both their characters. Because Trent was helping her in her growth, and always had been from Season 3.
I also think they handled Eleanor's dreams and her complicated mother relationship well. The dream itself, even if it is far-fetched, even if it is unlikely to happen, is not bad. Pursuing it also is, in fact, positive (they paralleled this with Devi's dreams of Princeton). But, one of the best parts of dreams? Is the people you meet along the way, the people who cheer you on. It's a metaphor for life.
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Paxton (and Lindsay)
Paxton's arc I think is one of the best in the series. I loved his journey from boy who was considered "hot guy" who sucked at school to the point where it was comic becoming a teacher. The episode where he helped Eric join the swim team was actually really powerful.
And, I didn't even roll my eyes when Devi told him he was an even better friend than boyfriend. On paper it's a cliche line, but it totally works within the characters' arcs (and of course the actors' portrayals!). Lindsay also seemed like much more than just a consolation prize to the guy who ends up outside the triangle--their relationship paralleled his with Devi, and quickly got me invested.
His final advice to Devi: "don't reinvent anything" also fits really well, because when Paxton at first refused to be Devi's boyfriend it was because Devi's image wasn't acceptable after the two-timing thing. Then, Devi's anxiety during their public relationship, the anxiety that actually ruined their romance, was because she didn't think she fit with Paxton or "made any sense" with him. But, she does fit with him. As a friend, and as herself.
Blair Quan + College
Blair Quan was also dark!Paxton--someone who lost themselves because they were always the Best in high school. The best student, the most popular. And then at college, everyone was the Best. And suddenly you're nothing.
The situation with Blair Quan was really realistic for how college can be for people, and in how the show (admittedly briefly) addressed the fundamental unfairness of college admissions. I work in higher ed, and... it's not fair. Nothing about it is fair. Professor Warner telling Devi outright that she "should have" gotten into all the Ivies actually meant a lot to me, because it's true.
For any readers of this who are applying to schools, there's a degree to which your merit matters, and there's a degree to which it's up to sheer luck. If they reject you, it's almost certainly not because you're not on par with other applicants. Hard work does not get you into prestigious schools. That's a lie. It gets you to a point, but it also gets a lot of other people to that same point, and then there is nothing at all you can do. It's up to luck.
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Fab (and Addison. Kind of).
Fab's arc was interesting, but I feel like it peaked in season 2. I did like her conflict this season though, particularly with messing up about lying to Devi. The scene where she and Devi reconcile was beautiful, and the show handled it really well--giving empathy for Fab as for why she kept it a secret, while also pointing out that the lying was the fact greater problem than the initial applying.
The negative is that... I like Addison, but I wanted more. It kind of sucks that the queer character is the one whose romance doesn't come with two complex characters getting development. And sure, Fab isn't as important as Devi, Ben, or Paxton, but the fact that they wrote a compelling romance between Trent and Eleanor and gave Trent some damn deep character development despite him being a comedic character shows they were more than capable of writing a complex character romance for Fab. Addison is really just... kinda there, and we get no development for them at all.  Which sucks because I would like to have learned more about them! They had potential, especially as a parallel to Trent!
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Nalini and Andres
Nalini and Andres were a little more out of left field... that said, Nalini clearly has a type! She likes guys whom she argues with first. I still preferred the hot doctor from Season 2, but that had less to do with Andres and more to do with the fact that I found Margot so irredeemably annoying. Still, I appreciated Andres' growth in realizing that he'd been spoiling Margot by catering to her every whim. This was itself a nice contrast to Nalini, who hurts Devi by being too hard on her.
That was especially a flaw in the early seasons, but Season 4 really showed how much Nalini has grown. She does mess up with her response to the college debacle, so her flaws are still there, but she's so much better than in Season 1. For example, Devi lashing out at her mom after she got deferred was irrational; Nalini really didn't deserve any of that, and yet Nalini still met Devi where she was at: with a chip salad, addressing her fears. It was heartwarming.
Even when Nalini then does mess up with the "stupid" comment, we know she didn't mean it in the same way Devi fears she did (that that's all she can be, rather than that yes, Devi did a dumb thing). When she comes to help Devi pack, it's genuinely heartwarming. I honestly think Nalini and Devi's relationship is one of the best in the show, if not the beating heart at the center of it.
Pati and Len
Now, Pati. Pati and Lens' relationship parallels Kamala's romantic drama--not just with Manish in Season 3, but also with Steve in Season 1. Pati is also very clearly where Devi gets her drama from, and I stan.
I also liked the parallels between Len and Pati and Ben and Devi. They are both Indian-Jewish couples, and Pati and Len's wedding of course marks a grand romance for them... and a grand romantic gesture for Ben, who arrives to tell Devi he loves her.
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Kamala (and Manish)
Kamala's arc this season was good as well; I just wish we had seen more Manish than just in the finale. Still, at least Manish did have an arc in the previous season. Though, it was a nice twist to have Kamala's arc be not about romance, but about her career.
Where Art Thou?
I also missed some other side characters, like Rebecca Hall-Yoshida and Jonah.
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Margot & Aneesa
The overall show was filled with callbacks to past seasons that were really well utilized, in that they showed the character's growth. Unfortunately, in one instance, this came back for the worse when they repeated one of their biggest writing mistakes from Season 2.
Devi is, simply put, absolutely not morally responsible for reporting Margot to have lied about her alibi for vandalism. Yeah, Margot ultimately didn't do it--but Devi didn't do anything wrong by reporting that. In fact, the principal should have actually done her job and checked the alibi with the teacher; it's like 101 common sense.
Clearly this is a callback to Aneesa (the episode even has Devi reclaiming the nickname "crazy Devi," which started there). However, the shame is that the writers didn't learn from how they bungled the Aneesa plotline, and they did. Here again they hold Devi responsible for something she frankly is not morally in the wrong for. The show also mentions the Aneesa incident and calls Devi "a liar and a bully" for it, but she objectively didn't lie? And frankly Aneesa bullied Devi more than Devi bullied her and was never called out for it.
While I think it's a flaw, it COULD theoretically work from a psychoanalytic theory in that really all that Devi can control is herself. She can't force others to do what she wants, even if it's unfair. And that's part of maturing is realizing that (and it's not the same thing as selfish focus). You can't control the world, even when it's unfair and even when other people are frankly wrong.
I did like more or less how Margot was resolved in the end; namely, that she was not there among Devi's friends at the end. I also liked that Aneesa did defend Devi in the final episode from someone mocking her about the Clean Sweep. It just would've matter more if Aneesa's actions had ever been addressed.
The Principal + Professor Warner
Also, while in general the show is great in its portrayal of teachers and satire of other teachers, the principal sucks and she's not actually funny. She acts like another teenager, but unlike some of the other teachers/adults who are framed well, she's framed as being more or less fine instead of with the critical lens of the others. And she isn't.
Professor Warner stands in stark contrast, because she is wise even though flawed. The principal is just... awful. I'd never liked her, but this season made me hate her.
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The Therapist + Grief
Now that I've gotten my salt out of the way, let's end with a positive and a theme.
The therapist's final session with Devi in the penultimate episode--I bawled.
“When I first met you, you were a closed-off, angry little thing... But look at you. Look how far you’ve come. You faced your trauma, and you came out on the other side.” 
They used this to emphasize the show's main theme: grief. Despite how this quote makes it sound, the show doesn't actually frame grief as something to move on from. Instead, it's something that accompanies you.
Grief is like chasing a dream. Grief is part of life. It is love itself, but a painful part of it, and grief never, ever stops. You never "get over" someone's loss. You never stop loving them.
But, you learn to see them around you, and in you. In the dreams you planted together, like Devi's dad telling her about Princeton. In the loved ones you shared, like how Devi yells at her imagination of her father that he's not here, but then Nalini arrives to help her pack.
Just because someone's gone doesn't mean they stop influencing you, or stop being a part of your life.
There will always be moments of pain, like Devi in the final episode with the imagination of her dad. But, there will also be moments of feeling them again.
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Can someone write fanfiction on kamala? Kamala and Manish? There are only 3 out there!
I am sorry if this is ew or cringe, you can ignore this. I am desperately in need for one cause they didn't have much in the series :')
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Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Never Have I Ever
Rating: Teen and Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archives Warnings Apply
Relationships: Kamala/Manish Kulkarni
Characters: Kamala (Never Have I Ever), Nalini Vishwakumar, Devi Vishwakumar, Manish Kulkarni
Additional Tags: news years eve, First Kiss, new years eve date, First Date, Kissing, Dating, I love them so much, manish being charming and sweet, i think theyre my favourite ship in the whole show tbh, devi & kamala sister vibes, basically a, Ficlet, poorly translated tamil, i used google translate okay, shit happens
Summary: “I know this probably isn’t the most glamorous first date,” he says, jerking his head towards her, indicating that she should drop the basil leaves he had let her pick into the pot—
—it turns out that Manish likes to garden, and he keeps a windowsill box of herbs in his bedroom window—
—“but, on New Year's Eve, everything is gonna be pretty crazy, so I figured a chill night in would be kinda nice.”
Kamala tears the basil leaves into small pieces, then drops them into the pot. “You were right,” she answers, watching as he multitasks, stirring the noodles and adding chopped tomato into the spaghetti sauce, “this is nice.”
“I’m glad,” Manish says. “I’ve never actually been on a date on New Years.”
Kamala tilts her head. “Really?” she asks. She does not know why she is surprised; she has never had a date on New Years either.
“Yep,” Manish answers, “I know it’s a shock, considering how fine I am, but you really are my first New Years date.”
Something about being his first for something makes butterflies flutter in her stomach. And she wants to return that feeling to him. “You’re my first New Years Eve date, too.”
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OR; Kamala and Manish's first date
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infinite-wanders · 2 years
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Just some moments I loved while I was watching. I know il note down more after a rewatch.
Trent doing eye contact during glass cheers. I do this also.
Nalini having dinner with bobble head Mohan. Crying.
Time jump between the break up gave me New Moon vibes / ptsd.
The parallel between Trent's "Hey babe and babe's friends" vs Ben's "Whats up in the kingdom of losers" haha. Love these dorks sm.
UN comments addressed. Claps.
Daxton banter. Love to see.
Ben speaking Mandarin out of jealousy. Hilarious.
Paxton carrying Ben. I LOVE YOU BAXTON. Grata as Hell.
Nalini. Queen.
Kamala x Manish = 4eva. Yes! Cannot wait for your wedding in s4.
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do the fandom thing for never have I ever, please!
Thank you lovely!
my beautiful cinnamon roll, too good for this world fave: Eleanor and Fabiola
my trash-shit fave: Ben Gross
my I love to hate them fave: Rhyah
my I hate to love them fave: Devi since she gets sm hate from the fandom for just being a teenager
my I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire non-fave: Rhyah
my I didn’t care about them either way at first but the fandom makes such a big deal about them now I can’t stand them non-fave: no one
my I could take them or leave them kinda non-fave: idk maybe Marcus and Eric but they’re rlly entertaining to watch
my I will go down with this ship and I won’t put my hands up and surrender, there will be no white flag above my door. I’m in love and always will be fave ship: treleanor
my dirtybadwrong faveship: don’t have one
my they’re cute together and I dig them butI’m not all that terribly invested kinda fave ship: manish x Kamala, Nalini x Chris, Ben x Margot
my MAKE IT STOP non-faveship: nothing tbh but ig Beneesa cuz Aneesa deserves better
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infinite-wanders · 2 years
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What I ticked off in s3 🥰
Kamala x Manish
Eleanor x Trent endgame
Mohan flashbacks
Paxton x Ben friendship
1 seasons left, virgins. Everything I need in the last 10 episodes.
- Kamala x Manish wedding
- Nalini apologising and accepting Paxton
- Nirmala x Ojichan interaction
- daxton pool scene
- daxton donut scene
- daxton endgame
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Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Never Have I Ever
Rating: Teen and Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Kamala/Manish Kulkarni
Characters: Kamala (Never Have I Ever), Manish Kulkarni, Devi Vishwakumar
Additional Tags: aka the kamala pros and cons story, listen you cant tell me this wouldnt happen, also i love kamala, this fic is short and messy but i enjoyed writing it and i want more kamala appreciation, Post-Canon, Alternate Universe - Post-Canon, Kissing, i love kamala and manish so bad
Summary: “Anyway, what’s going on with you and amma? Wait, can I guess?”
“Devi—”
“—Did you tell Prashant’s family you like tater tots?” Devi asks. “Oh, oh! You let slip that you had a weird CalTech boyfriend.”
“It’s a lot worse than that,” Kamala says, “a lot, a lot worse.”
“Did you tell his parents that you’ve had premarital sex?” Devi says, eyes wide. “Because that’s honestly the worst thing I can think of.”
“I left the dinner with his parents to go to your high school and see Manish and sing karaoke without telling anyone,” she says, her stomach erupting with nerves. She waits for Devi to scream, or throw up, whatever overexaggerated reaction she has waiting underneath her skin.
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OR; Kamala has some choices to make
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