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nihilonihil · 1 month
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the thing that gets me about hal's relationship with martin being cheapened is that it feels... like johns just needed to make it all more palatable. hal jordan now admires a good dad that was maybe a little strict, not a man who was abusive but still sought out as a figure of inspiration and authority because hal was desperate to measure up to his standards, desperate to be good enough.
it falls perfectly in line of the parallax retcon, where his darkest day is no longer a by product of trauma and his own questionable views but of a third party that possessed him. he no longer has complex feelings about his dad because his dad was good so of course he'd admire him! isn't thay the obvious path? it seems to want to flatten hal's personality and journey into something cleaner and easier to digest for newer audiences after the incredible narrative arc of emerald twilight, final night and judgement day. and like! i get it!!! newer audiences are important but as someone who got into gl literally last year, it feels insulting to assume less complex is more attractive.
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chess-blackmyre · 11 months
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So. Memes from the fictionalized idea of GLTAS season 2 that is percolating in my brain.
Featuring: An amnesiac Aya hanging out with some Yellow Lanterns. Sinestro doing his thing, Hal’s daddy issues, time travel shenanigans with Alan Scott, Carol third wheeling Aya and Razer, Hank Henshaw choosing violence, and Hal’s mental breakdown.
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ufonaut · 8 months
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"space case": the pre-2005 martin jordan
these days the quintessential hal jordan is easily defined by two traits: a distinct lack of fear, and a penchant for wearing his father's air force jacket. hal's father is his hero, you all know that. or, that's what you've been led to believe by the post-2005 geoff johns era of green lantern that has completely overshadowed everything that had come before and worked hard to erase the slightest hint of friction between hal & his father.
first things first, the post-2005 continuity can be looked at as half a fanboy's wish and half editorial mandate -- the biggest inspiration for hal's hero worship of martin (+ the whole deal with his jacket) and his overall attitude comes from darwyn cooke's elseworlds dc: the new frontier 2004, its unparalleled commercial success was undoubtedly a leading factor in the changes that followed and cooke had once spoken about being asked to work on green lantern secret files and origins 2005 (the one-shot that would jumpstart the 2005 ongoing series after the rebirth miniseries) for precisely that reason.
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(graphic ink: the art of darwyn cooke)
secondly, for thirty (count 'em!) years of hal jordan's existence there had been no mention of his parents whatsoever. he had brothers, cousins, uncles come in and out of his life throughout green lantern 1960 but never parents. that all changed in 1989 with green lantern: emerald dawn #1, the first real attempt to give hal an origin (see below).
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lastly and most importantly, martin had undoubtedly been an abusive father to hal and remained one of his few deep deep actual fears.
i'll be your guide through these pre-2005 appearances and mentions of martin and his relationship with hal, presented in chronological order based on real life release dates rather than internal chronology.
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("you just can't make me proud of you, can you, son?" emerald dawn 1989 #2)
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("well, he's still like he always was. i guess i'll always be a failure in his eyes, that's all. nothing i can do is going to change that", green lantern 1990 #48, published 1994)
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("my fault! all my fault. father always said i'd be a failure!", superman: the man of steel (1991) annual #4, published 1995)
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("the problem with you, hal, is you always got your head in the clouds", unpublished 'emerald interlude' originally slated for legends of the dc universe 1998 #33)
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("screwed up again, didn't you, space-case?! just once i'd like you to get something right!", legends of the dc universe 1998 #35, published 2000)
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("you become what you know. and what you didn't know you knew. like what you learn at the end of someone's arm. you learn to go blank. like maybe things with him would change if you could just give him what he wants. if you could just take it like a man", dc comics presents: green lantern 2004 #1)
interestingly enough, each of these stories is the work of different writers and between legends of the dc universe and dc comics presents: green lantern the narrative woven throughout becomes explicit -- hal perceives martin's abuse as abuse of power first and foremost, and doesn't just fear becoming 'what he knows' but also fears that he already did by abusing the power of the green lantern as parallax. all in all, it's an incredibly complex narrative seldom afforded to superheroes nowadays and an entirely vital part of hal's characterisation that we've been robbed of for far too long now.
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flashfuture · 20 days
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Since I've been on it I wanna talk about Hal's parents. Cause I've seen some dislike for Geoff Johns take on them. But they didn't really, Jessica especially, exist before then. I feel like some people read the comic where Hal in hysterical grief over Coast City made a construct of his parents and then went off to kill all the Lanterns and Guardians and said yep that is exactly how his parents were.
But let's get into it. Martin and Jessica Jordan. For further context, the sibling order is Jack, Hal, Jim Jordan. Three boys. And it was sort of implied for years that they were Jewish and got confirmed not too long ago that Jessica is Jewish and Martin is Catholic. Hal was a grown man in the 80s. His childhood took place in the 50/60s. And before that he was a grown man in the 60s meaning his childhood was the 40s/50s. That absolutely influenced the type of life he had. Vs the further in time we drag this out the less natural it becomes to have super strict parents.
So to begin the first physical appearance of Martin Jordan comes in 1989 in Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn #1. This is a post crisis pre zero hour story so any events in this particular time window are wildly subject to change
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Martin is a test flight pilot. He's Hal's hero. His plane goes down. Hal watches. This sequence of events stays consistent across every time line including Flashpoint which is you know fascinating.
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"Hal got fired today-- and he got his mom to call up and beg for him."
"Talk about my father again Biff and I'll rip your lungs out."
In this version of events, we get a mention of Jessica. She's not named and doesn't appear. So you can tell she was brought up purely for a 'Hal is so irresponsible he needs his mommy's help' bit. Hal and Jack get along though and are violently defensive of their father. Hal also catches a drunk driving charge after this.
Speaking of drunk I know there's a comic out there where Martin is described as a drunk which I could not for the life of me dig up again but that's mentioned all of once so I just ignore it. What's with making test pilots drunks???
Anyways Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn is definitely not my favorite Hal Jordan story and I'm glad it's been mostly retconned out minus the very beginning parts with Martin.
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(Green Lantern vol 3 #36)
"So you're back to flying planes, huh?"
"Dad's blood still runs through my veins, I guess."
This Christmas special in 1993 took place before Coast City exploded. Hal took Carol out to Jack's house to spend the holiday with the Jordan family. Hal directly attributes flying to his dad's influence.
Now Green Lantern vol 3 #48. Hal is standing in the ruins of Coast City not a soul left and he conjures an image of his parents. Reminder they are entirely Hal's imagination and again he is just about hysterical right now.
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"I looked up to you. I worshipped the ground you walked on, or flew over. I wanted to grow up and be you... which probably has a lot to do with who I am now. Growing up, though, I never felt like you... I don't know thought that much of me."
As we saw Hal's dad died when he was Maybe ten. His little brother and older brother didn't have real accomplishments in elementary school. Jack the DA and Jim helping the campaign and having a family that's all modern. Stuff Martin would have never known about. Martin the pilot getting on Hal's case for having his head in the clouds? Really seems like Hal is the one he could have related to the most. Martin getting on Hal about not saving the city just proves Hal is projecting his worries about disappointing his dad onto his dad and then because he's so hysterical with grief forces himself to rewatch his dad dying.
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Absolutely completely irrational state of mind he's in right now. At the end of this issue, he's going to fly off into space to kill all the Lanterns and the Guardians.
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And then he summons Jessica. Calling her mother instead of mom is just really funny to me like informal with his strict dad formal with his chill mom. Lmao? Jessica only speaks on Martin. Reminding Hal of the good times they had. She's Hal's memory which which means Hal heard the story of dressing up as Santa he remembers his dad's aftershave. Summoning your mom just to talk about your dad is crazy work btw
Again Hal was so young when his dad died. Not a teenager not even close. What was Martin disappointed about? Maybe Hal who can't keep a job a girl or half his friends (Barry died and all super friends ditched him basically) is projecting backwards into time. And assumes his Dad would be disappointed in him.
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"Personal gain? This is about personal loss!"
Personal loss and Hal's spent most of his time summoning his long dead father. He really never got over Martin dying and that's so apparent. Anyways this is where Hal decides to go into space and kill everybody. Seeing his dad taken from him one more time made him snap.
Hal is enamored with his father. Whether their relationship was tough or easy it wasn't necessarily the point. The point is Hal Jordan loves his father to Oa and back more than the rest of his family probably understood. He didn't just want to impress his father he wants to be him.
And Zero Hour royally fucked up Hal's family but like idk let's just say Infinite Crisis fixed it. That's two reality shattering events. Why not give Hal a little treat of being his dad's favorite. No one seems to miss when Jack, Jim, and Hal all went to the same college and the same fraternity and were besties
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katmaatui · 4 months
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The kids all revered him and just kept working harder to win his approval. I knew that guy. And I'd never even seen him before. I remembered him....
or Hal Jordan and Martin Jordan throughout the years
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danothan · 10 months
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lemme know if this is supported/debunked anywhere, but i always thought it interesting how significant it was meant to be that jim got hal a framed photo of him and their dad. yes ofc martin’s death makes it significant, but did hal not have any other photos of him? the line “something i wish i could’ve given you a long time ago” gives a weight to the gift like i’m missing smth, like smth could’ve changed if he had. and the fact that jim was so excited to give it to hal all those years ago that he stayed up until midnight makes it feel even more significant, secretive even
what i’m saying is that i headcanon their mom took down all the photos of their dad bc she hated having the reminder. that’s why it’s especially painful for her seeing hal follows in martin’s footsteps, he’s the spitting image of his father. without him there, even in spirit thru framed photos, it puts a lot of pressure onto hal. i can see this being a part of her coddling and overprotectiveness, how she wants to hold onto what she has left. and i can also see how her later disowning him can reflect putting the photos away, how it seems almost contradictory that she wants to protect him so she tells him to never come back. it’s that duality of grief; she loves him so much that she can’t bear to look
god hal rly grew up in a fucked up household didn’t he, no wonder he ran away
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dc-worse-dad-poll · 4 months
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Round One, Part Twelve!
Who's the worse dad?
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View the brackets here. Reasons for submission below the cut.
Martin Jordan:
Okay he's not going to win but whatever I'm pissed at him (<-person who rereads emerald twilight 3-4 times a month and legends of the dcu #35 at least once a month voice). He was told to abort his plane 8 times, but he didn't because he was too proud. Let me repeat, he left his wife and three children (one of which is implied to either be a baby or very young, he doesn't remember his father) because he was too proud to abort, he would rather be a dead man with stats than an alive one without them (Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn (1990) #1). He looked down on Hal, saying that he would always be a failure (Superman: Man of Steel (1987) Annual #4), thought of him as a space case who would never be able to amount to anything (Green Lantern (1990) #48, Legends of the DC Universe (1998) #35), he never told Hal he was proud of him not even once (Green Lantern (1990) #48). He even physically abuses Hal (Legends of the DC Universe (1998) #35, DC Universe Presents: Green Lantern (2004) #1 (note: that's an out of continuity book) to the point he shows up in Hal's worst fears (Legends of the DC Universe (1998) #35). Please understand, this is Hal's idea of hell post Parallax, yet Martin is shown as a fear equal to Parallax (ie the ability to murder the Green Lantern corps, who he refers to as his family, without caring). He's the reason why Hal is like that, why he looks for trust and reassurance in authority figures who do not care (ie the Guardians who Hal refers to as father figures in Justice League of America (1960) #184). Hal idealized him, worshiped the ground he walked on (Green Lantern (1990) #48) yet Martin never cared. He didn't care enough to abort. He didn't care enough about his own children to sacrifice his pride so that he would live, so that they wouldn't have to see their father die a fiery death. Of course, do you think Hal had that in mind when he committed suicide by throwing himself in the sun? (The Final Night (1996) #4, described as suicide in Green Lantern Sleepers Book One).
Barry Allen:
He literally forgot Wally existed fr 💀
Acsedently erased wally from existence
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mindshelter · 2 years
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“you go blank inside” babygirl. you are dissociating
the abuse that hal suffered at martin jordan’s hands (and words) are. pretty indispensable to understanding hal’s time as a GL leading up to becoming parallax... hal became part of the corps pre-conditioned and primed for easy indoctrination. despite recognizing martin’s behaviour as abusive, and hoping to never become like him, compliance at one’s own expense was all hal knew. it was what felt safe, what felt familiar, and made up that last tendril of sanity—the universe couldn’t be that cruel, and a parent wouldn’t be so hateful for no reason. there must be something hal can fix—can compromise—to be accepted. if only hal could have given martin what he wanted, whatever that may have been. if, if, if. 
fealty won’t earn you happiness—only survival. 
when that illusion finally crumbles—when the realization that decades of loyalty to the corps and to the long-deceased father has reaped zero reward—so does the remainder of hal’s belief system. 
captions below: 
1. dc comics presents: green lantern (2004)
Willpower. Absolute concentration. Split second timing. Where does that come from?
Instead it’s all feed in more trim and if you’re still nose-down, put your feet in the stirrups and blow the canopy before you red out. You do what you do. You go blank inside.
2. back issue #80, on Green Lantern
Fearless people tend to be cocksure of their actions and tend not to question anything, including authority. I recall a number of John Broome[-written] stories where Hal was totally (and happily) subservient to the Guardians of the Universe. 
3. zero hour: crisis in time (1994) #0
I used to be the errand boy for the Guardians of the Universe. It was a thankless job. I knew that. I had never asked for anything. 
The one time I did, I was denied. It dawned on my just how unfair the universe really was…
4. green lantern (1990) #63
Your rules. Your rules kept me from any happiness. I served the corps more faithfully than anyone, and my loyalty got me nothing. 
5. dc comics presents: green lantern (2004)
Like what you learn at the end of someone’s arm. You learn to go blank. 
Like maybe things with him would change if could just give him what he wants. If you would just take it like a man. But nothing ever did change. He just kept calling you a loser. And if he ever had a warmer opinion, you never heard about it. You took that like a man, too. 
6. back issue #80, on Green Lantern
I always believe it is very hard for people to actually change their personalities. So the best Hal could do was reach a happy medium, intellectually realizing he should be feeling differently about a situation, but emotionally having trouble doing so.
7. dc comics presents: green lantern (2004)
I don’t think I can do this anymore. “Fearless.” It’s all a crock.
8. green lantern (1990) #50
9. dc comics presents: green lantern (2004)
You go blank inside. 
Maybe sometimes that’s all that stands between this thing on my finger and the hot green end of everything. 
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fantajoseph · 2 years
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So, Hal Jordan revealed that one of the biggest things that haunted him about his dad's death was he could tell his dad was saying something but he couldn't make out the words. So he threw himself completely into trying to be his dad. The only thing that could drag him out of that was learning his mom was dying and wouldn't speak to him until he gave up being a test pilot, what got his dad killed. So he threw away his military career, but it was too late, and he never got to hear her last words either.
So the next time he saw a ship crash into the ground, saw the burning wreckage, saw the alien looking at him with hope, pride, and not a little bemusement, he listened. Abin Sur wanted Hal to be his successor. It was his last wish. His last words. And this time, Hal would make someone proud.
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nerds-yearbook · 4 months
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Following Crisis on Infinite Earths, Hal Jordan's history and the Lantern Corp was retold with the Emerald Dawn Limited series with the first issue having a cover date of December, 1989. The first issue told of Hal Jordan's father Martin's death as a test pilot, Jordan's struggles with alcohol, and his meeting Abun Sur, who chose him to join the Green Lantern Corp for his ability to overcome fear. ("The Sign", Green Lantern Emerald Dawn 1, DC Comic Event)
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dc-tournaments · 3 months
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Why do they deserve to win?
Victor Frankenstein
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Martin Jordan
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alice1939 · 1 year
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This is the English translation of my other Batlantern fanfic, inspired by Hal’s obvious daddy issue in his Emerald Twilight arc. This is not the Batlantern dynamic that people usually come up with, but I hope there will be someone who enjoys it. And there’s also some insight of Bruce and Jason’s relationship, cuz I love them.
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panels-of-interest · 2 years
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Green Lantern vs. Black Hand.
[from Green Lantern (2005) #6]
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ufonaut · 9 months
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Crazy thing was, the kids were fiercely loyal to him. […] They all revered him… and they just kept trying harder to win his approval. I knew that guy. And I'd never seen him before. I remembered him… when I thought I'd put him where he belonged: beyond memory's reach. […]
For some reason, it was important to me that he understand. I know my voice stayed even when I tried to explain. I guess that's what confused Ollie… as I tried to tell him about that man I knew… and how I'd sworn I'd never be like him. Funny thing is, you don't have much say in the matter. You become what you know. And what you didn't know you knew. Like what you learn at the end of someone's arm. You learn to go blank. Like maybe things with him would change if you could just give him what he wants. If you could just take it like a man. But nothing ever did change. He just kept calling you a loser. And if he ever had a warmer opinion, you never heard about it. You took that like a man, too.
The first in-depth exploration of Hal Jordan's relationship with his father in DC Comics Presents: Green Lantern (2004) #1.
(Martin Pasko, Scott McDaniel)
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blade-liger-4ever · 1 year
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Comic Analysis: Toxic and Healthy Relationships, Part 2 - Green Lantern
Hello, faithful readers! Well, it’s certainly been a while since I last made an analytical post. As you may recall, I made a previous analysis delving into Moon Knight’s two most well-known love interests, where I hinted at another post analyzing relationships. Well, after watching two different animated Wonder Woman films with a friend the other day, said friend sent me an article analyzing Wonder Woman, where Green Lantern/Hal Jordan - who also so happens to be my favorite GL - was mentioned in passing.
That reminded me of my desire/need to write a post detailing the toxicity of Hal’s longest running romance (as well as his driest), and the healthiness of, quite possibly, his most overlooked romance. Once more, I do not have a diehard’s knowledge of the OG comics, nor the experience of reading them firsthand. I do, however, have my own opinions and thoughts on what I’ve read/watched/researched. So, please take this post as that: my personal take on Hal Jordan’s romantic life, which you are free to accept or reject.
Now, without further ado, let’s get into the thick of it.
The Toxic Relationship with Carol Ferris
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Carol Ferris, for those not in the know, is the owner of Ferris Aircraft in the DC Universe. Taking over her father’s company, Carol was, arguably, one of the few women to head her own company, even if it was handed down from her beloved father. Because she was in charge of her father’s company, Carol was often curt, to the point, and business-like, rarely being more open than necessary. Despite this, she struck up an odd, rocky relationship with one of her employees - an excellent pilot by the name of Hal Jordan. However, while they were enamored by each other, it was for the wrong reasons.
Now, to understand why this relationship is toxic, I need to explain a bit about Hal and Carol as people. To begin with, Hal is the self-assured pilot; he’s the best of the best, adventurous, daring, and selfless. However, Hal’s most notable trait is his love of flying. The man cannot get enough of it, as his backstory shows in heartbreaking detail how the sky called to him and his father, Martin Jordan. This shared interest brought Hal and Martin together in a way that the rest of their family couldn’t understand, and so when Martin died in a test accident, Hal was left completely alone. Driven by a need to learn who his father had been, Hal desperately grabbed anything relating to the air, causing a severe rift between him, his older brother, and his mother, who was terrified of losing her son as she had his father.
The reason I bring up this part of Hal’s backstory, readers, is because it offers an insight to his personal life and secret wish. For, despite being freed from the chains of the earth, Hal is always looking for someone who he can come back to, who will be a stable and loving tether in an otherwise hectic and pained life. And so Hal, acting on that subconscious need - as well as a childhood crush - pursued Carol. After having such a tumultuous life from at least the age of ten, Hal was searching for a sense of stability. He needs someone who he could rely on and know would be there for him, and he thought Carol could provide that.
Carol, despite her contentment in owning Ferris Aircraft, felt bound by the desk and paperwork she dealt with twenty-four/seven. She longed for a release from the dull, monotonous routine she inherited, although she wouldn’t let it go for love of her father. But seeing Hal Jordan/Green Lantern’s complete and utter freedom attracted Carol more than anything. Carol craved that same liberty of worry and boredom, desiring a life of excitement over remaining trapped inside an office day in and day out. And so, falling for the freedom he offered, Carol chased the dream she wanted to live.
Needless to say, this is not a healthy relationship. It’s more of an infatuation than anything else. There are two additional facets to their romance that makes it unattainable, although I will share some pieces from the original comics before I expand upon that.
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Now, it’s not explicitly stated here, but for any big company/celebrity from 1900 on up until at least the 80s, marrying someone of a more blue-collar background was considered...unseemly, shall we say. Marrying, or even dating, someone such as a secretary or employee when you were - oh I don’t know, a billionaire or CEO - was seen as lowering yourself to a standard below what you were raised to/worked to get above. And since Hal was literally Carol’s employee, not only would that have been an affront to possible investors and an insult to her family, but Carol would have also been accused of favoritism, while Hal likely would have suffered extreme ridicule for daring to chase someone of a "higher” walk of life.
In essence, Hal and Carol fell in love not with each other, but with the idea that the other represented.
The Healthy Relationship with Kari Limbo
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Now, Kari is a lesser-known love interest of Hal’s from his infamous run with Green Arrow from the early 70s. A psychic Romani woman, Kari had previously dated Guy Gardner (yes, you read that correctly, but believe it or not, Guy wasn’t always a pill. That came later, and I’d rather not get into the muddiness of that particular sliver of trivia.) After Hal met with Kari to inform her of Guy’s apparent death, the two spent time together before falling in love. Kari loved him so much, in fact, that she accompanied not only Green Lantern on his adventures, but also Green Arrow and Black Canary. Heck, she even got to be on nigh sisterly terms with Black Canary, casually calling the superheroine Dinah when the ladies’ men were away on some mission.
Kari is shown to be a patient and understanding woman. She is supportive of Hal, encourages him in his moments of uncertainty, and remains with him through many stories. Kari never abandons Hal, instead choosing to be present for him and help him through whatever is troubling him. She loves Hal for his sacrificing nature, his strength of character, and his protective concern for her. In a way, I believe Hal gives Kari a sense of belonging; I do not recall if we ever saw people from her past, but Hal allows her to feel at home with him. He provides her with the necessary qualities to begin a shared life with him, something she longs for - just as Hal longs for a woman who he can come back to every day. Hal and Kari have the same goals for eternal love and companionship, and that is why, near the end of the run, Kari proposes marriage to Hal (hot dog, Hal, you were moving too slow for her!)
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Unfortunately, comic writers feel compelled to keep their heroes single, and so Hal and Kari’s wedding was cut short. It’s truly a shame, as Hal deserves to get married and live a happy life, just as Kari deserves to be a loving wife to him. I dearly wish she and Hal were together in the modern day, as their dynamic borders a fairytale romance in its beauty. They are truly underrated, and I believe they should be married, especially since the writers of today focus on the stale and toxic relationship with Carol.
Well, I believe I’ve said my piece on the matter. I don’t know if there will be a third installment to this series of mine. Perhaps there will be, but it will have to be one riveting romance to catch my attention. Then again, I can feel the gears in my head turning...
Farewell, fellow Lanterns! I hope you enjoyed my article!
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katmaatui · 4 months
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Well why don't you take a look at what that "space-case" has turned into?
Zero Hour (1994) #0 | Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn (1990) #1 | Legends of the DC Universe (2001) #35 | Green Lantern: Legacy: The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan | DC Comics Presents: Green Lantern (2004) #1 | Legends of the DC Universe (2001) #35 | Green Lantern: Legacy: The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan | Justice League: The Darkseid War: Green Lantern (2016) #1 | Green Lantern (1990) #48
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