#mcu treats trauma so shitty

[xycuro-illuminati]

Why didn’t you like the current Daredevil run?

I'll do a speed round here we go:

- Horrible character assassination on everyone especially Matt and Elektra.

- Zdarsky was v clearly inspired by the mcu Netflix show so the run had a severe case of mcu-ification

- The way he wrote women was atrocious (examples: Elektra, Kirsten, Mindy, literally everyone else)

- The shitty retcon to Elektra's backstory going from the sheltered sweet girl that loved her father sm that when he died it broke her to the point of grief and revenge that she became an assassin and it shattered her worldview to the stupid fucking backstory the mcu tried pulling of her being a spy sent by the Hand to recruit Matt.

- Whitewashed Kirsten AND gave her blue eyes

- the obnoxious way of how Matt was written in terms of religion to the point where he went from caricature to straight up crusader colonizer preaching

- Matt is so horrible in this run this is the most OOC he's ever been it legit feels like reading an mcu dd fanfic from someone who barely watched the show and only took word of fanon and saw gifsets

- Zdarsky tried grabbing story plots from previous runs and executed them horribly to the point where he only grabbed the worst shit from it (the ableism, infantalization, and sexual assault)

- Daredevil Elektra as a concept; it doesn't work. I'm sorry, cool outfit and all, but the Daredevil mantle isn't like the Spider-Man one where anyone can wear the mask. Daredevil was specifically for Matt to process his trauma of losing his father and used it to gain justice where the system would fail for his city. His upbringing fits the mantle and the only person who would fit that mantle is Sam Chung. With Elektra it doesn't work and it's on par with the whole "wife takes the husband's last name" but worse. My friend @thosemintcookies has made better points about this.

- Whitewashed Sam Chung and made him just sit at a cave waiting for the Beast or some shit

- Speaking of the Beast, the Hand being the big bad guys of the whole run sucks. Can we leave the Hand behind please the ninja clan isn't the ultimate dd villain.

- Foggy is just there. He doesn't do much and he's just THERE. It sucks. And he throws around the term catholic guilt for no fucking reason. The guilt Matt feels is regular guilt please shut the fuck up Zdarsky.

- Brought back Mike Murdock and did some decent writing on him only to kill him off. Cool, what was the whole point of that.

- Pulled a gotcha on making us think that zdarsky killed off Kirsten in a train explosion but it turned out she was fine which was so foul. Daredevil comics are NOTORIOUS for fridging female characters so that shit was just unacceptable idc argue with a wall.

- Checcetto's art style sucks I'm gonna be honest. The novelty of it being pretty ended v quickly as soon as he drew poc and holy shit he cannot draw them nor can he draw any other expression.

- Did I mention the ableism? And the infantalization? And the fetishization of Matt's disability? No? Okay well this post covers it all here.

- It gets into racist territory too with how they write Sam and the Hand

- This romantic mattelektra agenda makes my skin itch they're not romantic they're tragic their whole deal is that they could never go back to how they were as lovebirds in college. Soule broke up Kirsten and Matt and they kept it like that for this shlop I'm gonna kill you zdarsky and I'm making Elektra a lesbian now.

- Back to Elektra's character; zdarsky takes the cake in "Let's make Elektra's whole life and character revolve around Matt and Matt only". Making her quit her ways and making Matt treat her like shit by calling her a murderer despite the fact that in previous runs he would NEVER do that and has ACCEPTED that this is who Elektra is.

- Speaking of the murderer shit; Matt is a huge hypocrite in this run and not in a good or fun way. Homeboy got rescued by the other Defenders but then got mad and called them murderers bc they've admitted to killing people and it's the most fanficy thing I've ever read. Zdarsky, did you know. That Matt has known Jessica, Luke, and Danny for years now? Did you know that he already knows that they've killed people before? Did you know that he's teamed up with killers plenty of times (see: Elektra, Natasha, Frank Castle) and doesn't make a big shit about it? Did you know that Matt has killed people before in previous runs?? Did you know that zdarsky?? Bc it's clear he doesn't know.

- Whenever Spider-Man shows up Zdarsky writes him better than anyone in the run and this is a Daredevil run mind you

- Shitty ass writing. Shitty plot bc we've seen it all and there's nothing done. OOC on everyone. Misogynistic writing at its finest. Whitewashed characters. Stupid religious pandering bs that only the mcu girlies would like. Terrible run overall.

@thosemintcookies @froggynelson @faacethefacts @xuanelle @daresplaining @briefcasejuice @evileyeamulet

Feel free to add more or elaborate more on my post I'm giving yall the stage if you want it.

#marvel #daredevil #matt murdock #elektra natchios #anti chip zdarsky #asks to me #long post #hope all of that answers your question anon <3 #thats why im so happy this run is finally over #also the fact that kirsten and sam dont show up at the last issue: killing maiming and slaughtering

[cherrybombfangirl]

Hey you! Yeah you! Interested in my in progress Marvel OC Fanfic?

Ao3 Link: Only Human (7244 words) by cherrybombfangirl)/

Wanna read a Marvel fanfic that’s mainly an OC insert but also fixing everything that’s wrong with the MCU? It includes fixing what needs fixing, and my OC and all the small OCs that come with her.

Yeah you wanna read it!

The fic includes:

My OC Stacy who is the daughter of Steve and Bucky, a chaotic bisexual ADHDer, a maliciously compliant little shit, a gremlin but also a sweet ray of sunshine, coming from a mixed faith family, and just being the bane of the US government/Tony Stark’s existence in general

Fixing the erasure of representation issue- not just the whitewashing! Especially Steve’s disability and being an irish immigrant, also aggressively queer as he should be

^^^ and Stucky Supremacy :D 

Autistic, Trans, Asexual, Bisexual, and Jewish Peter Parker! (also he actually acts like a teenager and not a fucking child, the fuck writers and fans)

In fact, all of the characters that should be Jewish are actually Jewish (Wanda and Peitro, Kate Bishop, Bucky, Moon Knight, etc etc), because we all know how terrible the MCU is at respecting the source material

No romanticizing Tony’s shitty behavior and getting called out on said behavior multiple times

Civil War is actually about Steve Rogers and not just Iron Man 4 :) (also Tony being proven very very wrong)

Actually addressing how bad the Sokovia Accords are and how awfully they treat people with superpowers (and how it’s really just the US gov. trying to have their own little superhero army and how that’s fucked up)

Fixing this issue the MCU has where they reduce characters to a few traits and take away what’s at the core (especially with newly introduced characters)

Fixing Age of Ultron and Endgame (because AoU was a trash fire and Endgame was a good concept but terrible execution)

Did you know Peggy’s character was based on a character from the comics named Cynthia Glass who was a Nazi Spy? “Based on” as in the writers took Cynthia’s character and just slapped Peggy’s name on her? Yeah so, Peggy’s actually gonna be a Nazi spy in this fic and her sus behavior (shooting at Cap, Operation Paperclip, etc) won’t be ignored or brushed off

^^^ in fact she manipulates Steve into letting her have his and Bucky’s daughter so that HYDRA could have their own little supersoldier lab rat and also Peggy not being a good mom and handing Stacy over to HYDRA like it’s nothing

The ending to Endgame actually makes sense (and no Steve undoing his entire arc because WTF WAS THAT-)

More time saying fuck you to the US government because we hate them in this house, and we stan Stacy for doing everything she can to be the bane of it’s existence. Everyone but Tony is right behind her :) 

All the Young Avengers are closer in age because they should be, also they’re all younger than 20 because that should be happening they’re not supposed to be adults

Lots of trauma and mental health issues for everyone, including PTSD, depression, and anxiety and more!

More time with Nat and Yelena BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T GET ENOUGH T-T

#marvel #avengers #mcu #marvel oc #avengers oc #mcu oc #marvel fanfic #avengers fanfic #captain america #fic: only human #anti tony stark #anti peggy carter #fanfic #marvel ao3 #avengers ao3 #stucky daughter #stucky #steve x bucky #my stuff #oc: stacy

[amarriageoftrueminds]

it's so understated how in 2015 marvel had a shakeup for who was in charge of their stories in both comics and film and after those changes Bucky's character began to effectively be scuttled and written out of his original stories and his character arcs cut short/removed/or completely undone... DESPITE CATWS(2014)'s critical & popular success in not only adapting Bucky but also making him even more important to the main story and elevating his character and setting up a big character arc...

but post-2015 apparently hated this newfound popularity and elevation of the character and independently decided to "punish" him in both movies and comics and knock him off the "A-lister" category and turn him into a non-entity in the story and even general fanbases

MCU Bucky's "knock off the pedestal" was egregious since his character arc only got setup before 2015 happened, but comic Bucky's "punishment" from powers-that-be is egregious in that years of character development and arcs and storylines he had were rendered moot and meaningless as post-2015 marvel regressed his character back into the Winter Soldier in nearly every way (which gets worse as time goes on) and effectively turned him into a fanonized version of himself in the eyes of a super casual fan who knows Bucky as a Nazi assassin (since post-2015 Marvel insists on presenting his exploitation by Hydra that way)

since 2015, both comics and film Marvel took a character that was either set up to be or already was a core part of the cast and was expected or already had a massive character arc that spans years, and then pushed that character out of the main story, decided that his important in Steve's life need to be diminished lest he takes up too much space in the canon, decided that someone enslaved by Nazis can't be a hero or have a compelling story moving on from that trauma, and just shoves him into side character/team role or out-of-character antagonist depending on what role they frivolously decide to write him as for the run/project

I almost wish SebStan would fuck some preposterous A-lister just so that they could be made to eat their words by actually treating his character properly.

(Or, at this point, just with basic respect. It is shocking to see the difference in how even Cevans is treated versus stars like RDJ who had so much creative control and clout in regards to screentime & content.)

And what they're doing to comics is genuinely horrifying because the whole point was to keep those two separate so that an important medium wouldn't be tainted by a shitty adaption. Now the comics are warped and twisted, clipped and pruned, to fit the shitty adaption.

#mcu critical #it's about the homophobia #sebstan pls fuck tom cruise or brad pitt or someone do it for the fans seb #toAyourQ #dat's me #hey nonny #bucky barnes #bucky meta #meta #mcu #mcu meta #comics bucky #mcu bucky #the one insulted by the other until the insult becomes normal #everything I hear about current comics-bucky makes me want to track down the writers responsible and personally dick punch them #my meta

[luna-rainbow]

Oh no I totally agree that it is undoubtedly fair, truly warranted, to criticize the way the attempt to rewrite his victim hood into him being at fault. I less so sent that ask towards you (bc I’ve followed you for a long time and know how you feel) and more so in a response to other anons. Truly, the erasure of Bucky being a victim sends me over the edge and the whole thunderbolts thing has me raging. That wasn’t really what I was trying to get at in my first ask. And I very very much agree that the whole ‘amends’ and Sam’s (ooc) line of basically tell him to man up and work harder, etc., was all rooted in toxic masculinity from the writers. I was more so trying to say that even though TFATWS did have some major issues, I don’t think Bucky was completely off from his prior characterization, unfortunately they did seem to teeter back and forth and be contradictory with his trauma. Especially considering some of the stuff the cast and crew have said in interviews that do lean towards Bucky being a victim. But when you look at a majority of his actual behaviors and personality, it’s pretty fitting unlike some people try to argue. While the whole going to Zemo thing was wildly unlike Bucky, I do think that him being shitty to Sam doesn’t really fall into the same category. I say that because some times, just real people, characters can be assholes and they have flaws, and you know in the end he knew he was in the wrong and partially didn’t understand Sam’s reasoning. So I do think that isn’t a mistake on the writers part but that’s just my personal opinion. In all, while I do think he wasn’t done justice or utilized properly, Bucky’s primary characterization wasn’t wrong. It was more so the way the storyline tried to depict him and how some of the other characters treated him.

Ah, thanks for coming back to provide more context 😅

To be honest, I credit Seb with 90% of Bucky’s characterisation in the movies and the show. Let’s face it, Bucky’s characterisation was pretty thin if we’re going off the scripts alone (including the movies). He was a plot device for Steve, not a fully written person. Seb was the one who made Bucky give the long weighty looks to Steve during the war, the child-like confusion during the conversation with Pierce, and those sad reflective half-smiles during CACW/IW/EG. He’s a small side character with an exceptional narrative importance, and a lesser actor would have just peeled off the lines and called it a day. Seb went hard into it - he researched vets and PTSD, he made headcanons for Bucky’s relationship with Steve and even his fighting style, for a character that had 15 lines in the movie with his name in the title and only 2 emotive scenes, he’s tried very hard to make it a believable, human emotional journey.

If you look purely at Bucky’s lines in TFATWS — particularly his to-and-fro with his therapist, Zemo and even some of the ones with Sam, under a different actor they could have been aggravating, petulant and caustic. Sebastian kept it consistent with Bucky’s journey up to now — he was weary, uneasy and always a little vulnerable under the gruffness. Sebastian is very good at doing vulnerable, and that alone saved Bucky from being a flat alpha male. Under a different directorial/writer team I would have said they did a good job with the consistency, but MCU directors since Russo’s are notorious for letting their actors take the reins with their characters especially for emotional beats. By and large, because they’ve been so lucky with their casting, that’s worked, but it’s going to fray at the seams eventually.

I think one of the reasons why people say Bucky was out of character (apart from some of the decisions) was that he had a period of healing in Wakanda, and when we saw him in IW he was smiling and friendly. When we meet Bucky in TFATWS he’s raw and nervous again, and something has made his recovery go backwards. The series then avoids the giant elephant in the room for both Sam and Bucky, which was how much hurt EG!Steve’s decision caused both of them…so while we can understand the context for Bucky’s anger, that context was never acknowledged to be true…and if we ignore that context, then there’s no reason his recovery should have gone backwards.

TFATWS was full of crappy contradictions like this.

#asks #bucky barnes #tfatws critical #long post #sebastian stan #do anyone read these #why do I talk so much lmao

[gay-jewish-bucky]

Hey.

Sorry if I’m interrupting anything.

I’m just curious.

Your blog description has “MCU hater” in it?

Why? I mean where did that come from? I’m just curious.

I’m not the biggest fan of it myself, but I’m more indifferent towards it than anything else.

Again I’m just curious. Nothing more.

*yeah it says a lot when the film I’m most looking forward to this year is Oppenheimer! I like to pretend it’s a film adaptation of the Trinity Desk Project*

not it all!

that's a very long explanation, all the higher ups and creatives say awful things all the time (espec in regards to bucky), they treat male trauma like a fucking joke and treat women like sex objects, it took them over a fucking decade to introduce characters of colour in main roles, they admit they don't hire people who care about the source material and called it a 'red flag', they hate the characters who aren't tony, they don't give a shit about telling good stories, they are dead set on ruining everyone people loved about steve bc they're mad about a gay ship (the ending, the way they forced in their nasty self-insert fantasy about the uso girls into steve's "canon"), they hate fans and critics who don't praise every single thing they do, the only movies that have had any heart or creative intent since twenty-fourteen are the black panther movies bc ryan coogler is the only left in it for more than just money, they treat their actors abysmally to avoid "spoilers" getting out, they underpay and overwork everyone who isn't a big name, they consistently white-wash and straight-wash and goy-wash countless characters who belong to marginalized identities and this extends to the comics, they admit they dont care about telling superhero stories, their fans will destory people's lives for being critical, they think an abusive white nazi is a better captain america than steve rogers or sam wilson bc #girlboss (actively supporting white feminism which is a facet of white supremacy), they don't care about hyping sam up as captain america at all, they think perpetrators of genocide are more understandable than their victims, they pump out shitty product after shitty product to maximize profit, they are known for forcing actors to stay closeted (kristen stuart turned down a role so she would have the freedom to come out), the fandom is horrifically antisemitic despite the comics being created by jewish men during the holocaust, they butchered moon knight's judaism, they do not properly compensate the people who created the characters they are making millions off of, they're largely responsible for the depoliticization of the superhero genre...i can keep going.

i'm not looking forward to a single project, if anything im bracing for the antisemitic violence that will come from cap 4's plot and title playing into a viscous and deadly antisemitic conspiracy which is also in the movie they introduce a jewish hero.

@w1ll0wtr33

#personcole #not mad at you

[backonefish]

not sure why the mcu is still so intent on painting bucky as someone who needs to “amend” and “serve” to right his wrongs. or that he should move on from the image that steve had of him - aka a victim and not a villian. theyve decided that the only way forward for bucky is to be forgiven by people who have suffered because of the winter soldier - as opposed to bucky forgiving himself.

first zemo acts like he forgives bucky, when... what did bucky even do to hurt zemo?? wasnt it the other way around???

even sam, who is a va therapist, is pushing the dialogue that the only way forward for bucky is to amend. the entire conversation felt so uncomfortable bc it very much felt like victim blaming and that bucky wasnt doing enough work, or the ‘right’ work to move past his trauma. 

not once do they label bucky as a trauma victim who wasnt in control of his actions but a casualty of a system that used and abused him. 

#theres that therapists twitter thread that explains this better #but it just felt so wrong to me #the entire conversation around bucky owning up to his actions #like yes i get it #its important that he does that and come to terms with his ws past #but the only way through is not to say sorry or give the victims closure #i also hate that all the sambucky posts have essentially glossed over this very important aspect #sam as a therapist and friend should never ever have told bucky that he wasnt working hard enough #at least not os early on in his therapy #mcu treats trauma so shitty #but yeah #protect bucky barns #hes a victim not a villian #they gave zemo a better redemption arc #bucky barnes #sam wilson #tfatws #tfatws spoilers #mine #trauma tw #thought i was done but then they're trying to act like the steves book where he wrote down ways ot fit in the future #WAS THE SAME AS BUCKY WRITING DOWN PEOPLE HE KILLED AS THE WS #like whatttt??? #wheres my bucky barnes defense squad #leggo

[musclesandhammering]

Every Single Issue I Have With S*lki (It’s Not Just The Selfcest)

Here goes. I threatened to post this a few days ago and never did, but I just saw a s*lki stan Twitter account claim that Loki caring about Sylvie more than the whole multiverse was a Good And Romantic thing and it pushed me over the fucking edge, so now you all have to read this. I’ve divided it into categories cause there’s just THAT much.

OOC Bullshit

• First and foremost, no amount of mental gymnastics you do will ever make me believe that this specific Loki- the one that just invaded New York, that just came off a year of Thanos Torture, that just got done being influenced by the sceptre, that was literally in the middle of a crisis already, and then on top of that went through all the trauma of Ep 1- would even be worried about a romantic relationship. That would be the furthest thing from his mind. Go back and watch how he acted in Avengers- you think that guy would abandon his previous mission to become a snivelling simp for a girl he’d just met 3 days prior? Yeah, there’s no universe in which that makes sense.

• “It’s very in character for Loki to fall in love with himself lololol-“ NO, it’s literally not. Out of all the characters in the mcu, I don’t think I can think of anyone that genuinely hates themselves more than Loki. He even referred to all his other male variants as “monsters” and said meeting them was “a nightmare” in this series. He’s got so much self-loathing, plus the fact that he genuinely thinks himself to be an evil backstabbing scourge- so there’s no evidence at all suggesting that he would ever develop a fondness for, or even be inclined to trust, another version of himself, after only knowing them for 3 days.

• Building on that, the whole concept of Loki falling in love with a version of himself just feeds into the annoying ass misconception that he’s a narcissist. No matter which way you stack it, he’s not. If you’re referring to NPD, he doesn’t fit the criteria, and if you’re saying “narcissist” just as a slang term meaning “selfish and arrogant”, that still doesn’t accurately describe him. But when creators like Waldron and Herron do things like having him fall in love with himself, it makes it so much easier for casual viewers to think that he is.

Shitty LGBT Rep

• It’s kinda sus that Loki’s are allegedly genderfluid and yet the only female-presenting variant we see (and apparently the only female-presenting variant there is, cause the male Loki’s all seemed unfamiliar with the concept) is treated as some kind of mind-bogglingly special paradox. Also very sus that, out of all the Loki variants, the one our Loki falls in love with just so happens to be the only female one. What a coincidence.

• The fact that the creators of the show went around bragging about Loki’s bisexuality and Marvel purposefully (lbr) allowed stories about Loki possibly having a male love interest to circulate, specifically enticing queer viewers to watch the show (you know, the definition of queerbaiting), and then instead of having a male love interest (Loki was the first queer main character, so it was the perfect opportunity) they gave us *gestures to this dumpster fire* this… it’s just a middle finger to LGBT fans. The fact that they would rather have this relationship with all its myriad of problems than have a gay relationship is just……. Very telling.

• While him being with a woman obviously doesn’t refute his bisexuality, the fact that they showed/talked about him being interested in 3 different women (flight attendant, Sylvie, Sif) and never even hinted at him being attracted to a man, definitely makes it seem like they were trying to cover up his bisexuality to smooth things over with the more homophobic viewers. You know? It’s like “I know you’re pissed that we sorta confirmed Loki as bi, so we promise we’ll never mention it again! Or even hint at it! As a matter of fact, we’ll give him lots of female lovies and make him seem as straight as possible! That’ll take your mind off of that horrible crumb of queer rep, right? Please please please keep giving us your money!!!”

• Aside from all the other issues, at its core, the biggest reason why I think I’m so irritated with s*lki is that it took one of the most interesting, complex, and diverse characters in cinema atm and squished him into a tired ass unnecessary heteronormative subplot…. Like literally every. single. other. protagonist. ever. Loki is such a unique character, and it’s so so so incredibly disappointing that they stuck him into that same boring cookie cutter romance that happens to every other character in every other movie I’ve ever seen. It’s a disservice, and it’s honestly just not compelling or entertaining at all.

Thematic Issues Galore

• His arc didn’t need a romance. With anyone. It was unnecessary and it didn’t make sense plot-wise. In fact, one of the reasons he was my fav prior to this was because he was the only big-name mcu character whose story wasn’t muddied-up by a romance that didn’t need to be there. So much for that.

• He wasn’t emotionally ready for a romantic relationship with anyone. Hell, just a genuine friendship would’ve been pushing it for him at this point. He was in such a bad state that any relationship he got into would’ve been toxic and unhealthy for both him and the other person, and it doesn’t make sense why the writers would want to put him in one when there were so many cons and essentially no pros (other than “Uwu aren’t they cute together”).

• Sylvie’s character in general was unnecessary and Loki’s character was robbed just by her being there. The whole show became about her post-Ep 2. They spent most of the time giving her backstory, building her up, telling us how awesome she is, trying to convince us to like her, etc when what they really needed to be doing was building Loki up- cause I gotta say, if I had to describe TVA!Loki in a few words, they would be Flat, Boring, and Weak.

• The romance overtakes the plot. They spend time portraying their supposed connection that could’ve been spent adding depth and complexity to literally any of the characters. They make the big Nexus Event them giving each other googly eyes on Lamentis when it could’ve been so many other way more profound things that speak to the fundamental nature of Loki’s. They have the climax of the finale be “oh no she betrayed him to kill He Who Remains” when it could’ve been something way more compelling (Loki having a moral crisis over whether or not to kill HWR, Loki contemplating the state of the multiverse and weighing the pros and cons of freedom vs order, Loki looking into some What If situations and getting emotional about what could’ve been regarding his family, Loki realising the gravity of HWR’s offer and finally coming to terms with how important he is to the universal cycle, etc etc). The entire plot suffered in favour of a romance that half of us didn’t even want.

• It essentially reduced all of Loki’s potential character growth down to “He did it for his crush.” He seemed to at least have some motivations of his own in Ep 1-2 (feeble as they were) but after Sylvie showed up in Ep 3, literally every action he took was just him being a simp for her. Why did he lie in the interrogation? To try to protect Sylvie. Why did he fight the minutemen and Timekeepers? To survive kinda, but mostly cause it was important to Sylvie. Why did he get pruned? Cause he got distracted trying to confess his crush to Sylvie. Why did he try to get out of The Void? Cause he thought Sylvie needed him. Why did he stay in The Void? Cause Sylvie was staying. Why did he try to enchant Alioth? Cause Sylvie told him to. Why did the multiverse get cracked open, leading to an infinite number of Kangs waging war on all of existence? Cause Loki didn’t wanna hurt Sylvie in their fight at the Citadel and then get distracted by her kissing him. It’s uninteresting and honestly pretty embarrassing.

• Throughout their “relationship arc” the writers do their absolute damndest to convince us that we should like Sylvie more than Loki. And you know what? It’s the most hypocritical shit I’ve ever seen. They preach and preach about how Sylvie’s life has been so difficult/we should feel bad for her/she had it so bad/poor poor sylvie/she had it SO much worse than pampered prince Loki…. But then they never even touch on any of Loki’s trauma of hardships (the ones that have been ignored for literally 3 movies now). They frame Sylvie as a good person and a Freedom Fighter after she spent literal decades/centuries mass-murdering brainwashed TVA agents and showing exactly zero remorse for it….. but then they make it their mission to constantly remind us that Loki is a terrible person and constantly put him in situations where he’s forced to acknowledge his wrongdoings/show remorse/admit to how “evil” he is for being a mass murderer for like 2 years. They show him on-screen having a wider range of powers than her, and perpetuate his whole shtick of being a “master manipulator” or whatever….. But then they make Sylvie “the brawn” more competent, intelligent, and physically capable than him. Tell me how it’s a good thing for a ship to be so narratively biased toward one character.

Missed Opportunities

• If they absolutely had to have a romance subplot, then they could’ve paired Loki with one of the characters that have already been established OR one of the characters that were a big part of the whole TVA storyline anyway. It would’ve been so interesting if they’d revealed that Loki had a history with some of the players from previous films (Sif and Fandral both come to mind). It also would’ve been really interesting if they’d given Loki a love interest that actually had some allegiance to the TVA as a whole (Mobius maybe, but not necessarily. It also could’ve been Renslayer or B-15). Hell, imo it would’ve been cool if they’d followed through with that “See you again someday” line that he said to the flight attendant in Ep 1. ALL of these characters have way more chemistry with him than Sylvie, and they were also already relevant to the plot without wasting half the show to give background info on them.

• If they absolutely had to have a hetero-presenting love story involving an enchantress-type figure, then there’s a whole Enchantress (Amora) that was actually Loki’s love interest in the comics. Plus, fans have been screaming for Amora to appear in the mcu for years. Plus, Tom literally pitched an Amora/Loki storyline way back in 2012-13. Also, Lorelei (another enchantress) is also one of Loki’s love interests in the comics, and she already exists in the mcu (she was on Agents of SHIELD). There were several different established characters for them to choose from. Creating a whole knew amalgamation of a character and going with the “she’s a Loki variant” storyline was just completely unnecessary and made no sense.

• They completely robbed us of a Chaos Twins dynamic. Had they handled Sylvie better and not forced her and Loki to smooch, the two of them could’ve had a really really complex and interesting sibling relationship. Loki could’ve stepped into Thor’s shoes and sort of used that new role to gain some self importance, and Sylvie could’ve finally had somebody to look out for her/teach her magic/be there for her. It would’ve been very aesthetically pleasing, the vibes would’ve been out of this world, it would’ve been way more profound than this bs, and frankly it would’ve been much more entertaining to watch.

• Loki’s relationship (read: obsession) with Sylvie completely overshadows all Loki’s other relationships in the show. Loki and Mobius were literally the focal point of the series in Ep 1-2, but after Sylvie showed up in Ep 3, they barely had any interactions with each other, and Mobius pretty much faded to the background entirely. Loki had the beginnings of a pretty interesting antagonistic relationship with Renslayer (with her wanting him pruned, then arguing with Mobius that he couldn’t be trusted), but after Sylvie showed up the dynamic shifted to focus on the history between her and Ravonna. Loki and B-15 started off very badly and openly disliked each other throughout Ep 1-2, and then in the end of Ep 2, Loki showed a little bit of concern for her when she was possessed, hinting that they might be inching toward a reconciliation- especially considering how obvious it was that Loki was gonna uncover the TVA’s sins eventually. There was so much potential for him to be the one to give her her memories back and convince her to change sides, but no, of course that honor went to Sylvie. In fact, after Sylvie showed up, Loki and B-15 never even spoke to each other again.

Various S*lki Fails

• If they were trying to convince us that this affection was mutual, they completely failed. There’s nothing I’ve seen that even hints at Sylvie feeling the same way about Loki that he does about her. At most, I’d say she has a slight endearment to him. She finds him likeable and she’s grudgingly fond of him, but she definitely isn’t in love with the guy. Maybe she thinks he’s cute and hopes that he gets out of this mess alright, but her mission obviously comes before him- whereas, it’s been confirmed multiple times that Loki cares about her above anything else. She doesn’t trust him, she looks at him like he’s an incompetent fool half the time, she shows little to no reaction during most of his confession moments, and she kissed him as a means to distract him so that she could get him out of her way. Look, all I’m saying is, when you get into a relationship where one of you is way more invested than the other, it never ends well.

• This goes without saying for a lot of us, but the selfcest is just straight up odd and cringey. If you’re cool with that sort of thing, fine! People can ship what they want! But don’t pretend it’s not at least a little bit uncomfortable. Yes, I know they’re not technically siblings so it’s not technically incest, and they’re also not technically the exact same person, but they’re similar enough that it makes things weird. And yes I know selfcest can’t happen in real life, so there’s no way to judge it morally, but neither can most of the other stuff that happens in these shows/movies (the Snap, Loki destroying jotunheim, superhero with powers being held accountable, mind control) and yet we still find ways to judge their morality, because they all mirror real-world events. (The snap= genocide; Loki destroying Jotunheim= bombing other countries; superhero accountability= weapons accountability; mind control= grooming and coercion). And lbr the closest real-world mirror to two versions of the same person (who may or may not share DNA, family, backgrounds, physical and emotion characteristics) being romantically involved with one another is incest. And you can be ok with that if you want- that’s your prerogative- but don’t get pissy just cause a lot of us are squicked out by it.

• The whole mirror metaphor (learning self love via each other) thing just fell completely flat. First of all, having Loki learn to love himself by looking at someone who mirrors him did not, in any way shape or form, require them to be romantically involved. But they were. Of course. Secondly, the creators have contradicted themselves so many times on whether Loki and Sylvie are the same or not, that it doesn’t even really register to the viewer that the mirroring thing was what they were going for. Finally, Loki and Sylvie are shown to have so little in common- and to have only the most bare minimum of similarities personality-wise- that it doesn’t even make sense that Loki would “learn to love himself through loving her”. Like? They’re nothing alike. So how would he make the connection that he himself is actually pretty cool, based on her alone? There’s virtually nothing in her that reflects him.

• I know the objective of the entire show was to convince us of how awesome and unique Sylvie is, but honestly her relationship with Loki just did the opposite. A hallmark of a Mary Sue is having her constantly upstage the male lead, and then having him instantly fall madly in love with her anyway. And that’s.. exactly what happened here. Everything they’re doing to try to force her character to be more stan-able is really just forcing her to look more like their self-insert OC. Which is exactly what she is. It would’ve been so much more satisfying if she didn’t have to try so hard to look cool, if they didn’t have to try so hard to make her backstory tear-inducing, if they didn’t have to turn our protagonist into a snivelling simp just to prove how incredible she supposedly is. Very much #GirlBoss energy and we all know how performative and cheap that is.

• The entire thing was too rushed, there was too little build-up, and it was nowhere near believable. As stated above, it’s ridiculously unlikely that Loki would canonically even be interested in Sylvie, and this show did nothing to explain why he was. He just suddenly was. There was nothing they showed us as viewers that would justify a guy as closed-off and preoccupied as Loki falling head-over-heels for a girl he just met. Their was no explanation, no big revelation, no reasoning, it just… kinda happened. And I’m also severely skeptical of any love story that has the characters go in this deep after only 3 45-minute episodes of exposition.

I’m sure there’s other stuff, so if anyone thinks of anything, let me know and I’ll be more than happy to add it. Tagging @janetsnakehole02 @raifenlf @natures-marvel and @brightredsunset800 for expressing interest. This is all your faults.

#antisylki #loki meta #kinda #loki series critical #loki series negativity #anti loki x sylvie #anti loki series #anti sylvie #frosty bby #loki deserved better #I don’t even like TVA!Loki tho so I guess it doesn’t matter with him lmao #tva loki #loki laufeyson

[alirhi]

okay. let's do this shit.

Guess what, bitches? Mama bear's back and angry all over again. Remember when I said I might dive into a ragepost about how Bucky's treated after completing the one about Loki? This is it. This is the post. Welcome to fucking Thunderdome.

I will actually try to keep it civil. No promises, but I'll try. and I will not be accepting "constructive criticism" about my rage. Just so we're clear.

Got it? Good. Let's dive in.

In case you don't want to read the whole thing (I know I get wordy) here's what this whole post will boil down to: BUCKY NEVER HAD A FUCKING CHOICE. NEVER. NOT ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.

Now, quick reminder: I don't read comics. I know nothing about Bucky's comic canon, except what Sebastian liked to bring up as often as possible during TWS/CW promotions: at some point, Bucky boned Nat. XD Since Bucky only exists as a Marvel property, I won't be bitching about other source material being disrespected like I did with Loki. This is all MCU, my dudes. And honestly? That's enough, because though we don't see nearly enough of Bucky for my liking, we do manage to get a rich, deep backstory to him in the material we're given, partly thanks to better writing in the early days of the MCU, and partly thanks to Sebastian Stan's phenomenal acting. Unlike the writers of the Loki series, Seb knows how to show, not tell. And gods, what stories those eyes show...

Let's start with the army. In an old post illustrating what an absolute BAMF Bucky Barnes truly is, I mistakenly said he enlisted, and a kind soul educated me on the incredible attention to detail Marvel used to pay - in this case, Bucky's ID number. 32557038. As this kind, eagle-eyed soul pointed out to me, the first two digits of that number - 32 - signify that Bucky was drafted, specifically from the NY, NJ, DE area (that last part is rather obvious, as Bucky and Steve are from Brooklyn lol). Bucky didn't choose to go to war. He was drafted. He was forced to fight, or go to prison.

Bucky was born in 1917, which means - again, as someone pointed out to me a while back - he came of age during the Great Depression. As a child, he would likely have seen his parents living comfortably and able to shower each other and him and his sister with gifts and fun memories, and then POOF. Stock market crashes when he's only 12-years-old, and life becomes brutal and painful. He manages to have some fun with his best friend Steve, and spends his teens/early 20s chasing girls and keeping his stupid, stubborn, tiny friend from getting beaten to death.

Steve constantly has something to prove. He's absolutely got what my mom always called "little man's disease", and Bucky's just doing his best not to roll his eyes too much at this asthmatic chihuahua constantly trying to beat up Tibetan mastiffs. While Steve keeps lying on his enlistment forms (an actual crime) trying again and again to get into the army and prove what a badass he is (definitely not), Bucky's had enough trauma and upheaval in his life and he just wants his stupid friend to calm tf down and live. Enjoy the fact that he doesn't have to go to war and get his limbs blown off.

And then he gets fucking drafted. This sweet, resigned realist who knows exactly how dangerous the war really is, is forced to put on a uniform and go fight strangers alongside other strangers thousands of miles from everything he knows. And on his last night of freedom, when he just wants to hang out with his friend, see some cool gadgets, and dance with a pretty girl, his stupid angry chihuahua friend feels the need to lie and try to enlist again.

Okay. Gotta get back on track. Ragepost about mistreatment of Bucky, not how much Steve annoys me. Sorry. Anyway...

Bucky's drafted, accepts his shitty lot with a brave smile, and is shipped off to Europe, where he is captured by HYDRA and presumed by the Allies to be KIA. Instead, he's strapped down, tortured, and given the HYDRA version of the super serum against his will. Steve rescues him, and Bucky knows he can't leave his idiot friend to his own devices to get his head blown off, so he dives right back into the fray. And then he falls off a cliff, loses most of his left arm, and is declared dead...again. This one's pretty damn valid, though lol. Without the serum no one knew he'd been shot up with, there is no way he would have survived that fall.

Here is where Bucky's story gets truly heartbreaking: His autonomy, his ability to consent is stripped from him through electroshock torture/brainwashing. The trigger words are conditioned into him during this process, and boom. Ten words in Russian, and Bucky Barnes is gone. Even the confused, hurting shadow of him is gone, leaving only a perfectly obedient killing machine, with Bucky's pretty face. He's strong as all hell, though, so they can't keep him fully under their control for long, not without more torture, when the disorientation of being fucking frozen wears off on longer missions.

I cannot stress this point enough, guys: Bucky. Had. No. Choice. Not like the draft, where his choices (go and get shot at, refuse and go to jail, or dodge and run to Canada) just suck. No, he literally didn't have a choice. He had his ability to choose stripped from him. If that's too complex a concept to really sink in, try this: His brain was fucking raped. Repeatedly. For decades. Nothing the Winter Soldier ever did was Bucky's fault. Nothing. Ever. Not remotely, no matter how you fucking slice it. Bucky is not an assassin. I almost said "not a killer", but he was a soldier, and a sharpshooter. He definitely killed when he was himself, but that was in a war, not a series of assassinations.

So far, imo, so good. This is just a rundown of Bucky's pre-show backstory. I don't love what he had to suffer, but I do love how it was treated in the movies. People were afraid of him, but when they knew the whole situation, Steve, Nat, and Sam rallied behind him. Natasha had plenty of reason to want the Winter Soldier dead; he'd tried to kill her multiple times and almost succeeded. Sam had no reason to help Bucky at all; he didn't know him, didn't trust him, and again, TWS had tried to kill him. But he stood by Steve, and when Bucky showed the clear difference between himself and TWS, Sam stood by him, too, and fought alongside him.

And it's very realistic, imo, that Tony didn't give a single fuck that Bucky had no choice. He watched this man murder both of his parents on tape. If TWS had killed my dad and I saw proof of it, I'd try to kill Bucky, too. Grief wins out over logic. Most emotions usually do. And that's a very important point we're going to come back to in a few minutes.

Bucky was really only in like ten minutes at most of IW and Endgame, and for multiple reasons I hate those movies, so I'm just gonna skip them, kay? Kay. On to the main event!

Here's where I get pissed off. Even if I didn't have an unhealthy attachment to this character, or the depth of appreciation for his tragic backstory that I do, the lack of continuity between the movies and the show alone would still piss me off. It always does. Don't even get me started on Joss "Continuity? What continuity?" Whedon and his (iconic, but flawed) shows. Ahem. Back on track...

Let me just get one little thing out of the way real quick: I fucking LOVE The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I love it. This show amazed me when I first watched it, and I still love it after many more viewings lol. I have only ever watched it all the way through without skipping over as much John Walker shit as possible the one time lol but I love how Sam and Bucky interact, and I fucking adore how Sam's arc was treated. I just wish they'd show the same care and attention to Bucky.

Because what they did to Bucky in this show is a fucking travesty. There was a tiny ray of hope in the pilot, when he called out Dr. Bitchface for being a terrible shrink. I thought that would be the start of him realizing he needed to find someone else and ignore the damaging shit that woman was telling him. But...nope. No such luck.

The show really had a strong start, I'll give it that. We see Bucky having nightmares of his time as TWS and struggling to hide how his traumatic memories are affecting him as he tries to live in the world again. He befriends the father of one of HYDRA's victims, which can't be good for Bucky (and we're shown it's definitely not when he sees the shrine in Yori's home to his late son) but it's sweet, how he's trying to connect and reach out to someone who's hurting and lonely.

They drop the ball a little with the whole... Bucky can hack a fucking car, but can't figure out Tinder thing. Had they just run with the fandom interpretation of the tiger photos line, that it shows that Bucky is bi and left it at that, I'd have been okay with it (and no, that is not because I ship Sam/Bucky. it's because Bucky is and always has been a certified nerd who loves technology and has consistently shown very little issue learning to use new gadgets). The outdated flip phone he handed his terrible court-mandated shrink was a burner; I liked that theory when I read it, especially since it's the only time we see him even holding a phone that old lol. This all could have fit the "Bucky is a sassy bisexual nerd" narrative and it'd be okay. Instead, the director was like "NOOOOOO that line was just to show how old he is and how he can't figure out all this newfangled technology!" Woman, you had him remotely driving someone else's vehicle with a tablet. That is NOT a man who can't figure out a damn smart phone!

But that's just a minor annoyance. What fills me with absolute rage is how everyone - not just the shitty therapist who lashes out at and purposely triggers her traumatized patients, but EVERYONE - Sam, Zemo, people who should fucking know better ALL treat him like he's a psychopath and a ticking time bomb. Like he chose to take the serum and he chose to kill for HYDRA, and he's just seen the error of his ways. *barf*

Bucky in the movies is established to be a victim, through and through. His guilt over what he was forced to do is natural, and that he sees himself as a monster makes sense... but that doesn't mean it's correct. The one and only thing I ever liked about Steve Rogers is at least he got it. He pointed out that none of it was Bucky's fault, he tried to show him that he was worth saving. That's the other reason I refuse to talk about Endgame. This post will get a WHOLE LOT LONGER and a lot fucking angrier if I open that door.

Zemo supposedly knows everything about HYDRA and super soldiers... So why does he treat Bucky like he's a corrupt serial killer? (this, for the record, is why I don't like Zemo) Why does he never point out that Bucky was given the serum against his will, or that his actions, when he had control of them, proved that he was never corrupted? Bucky never wanted to become superhuman. Bucky didn't even want to fucking fight!

Sam, despite constantly resisting the label, is shown very clearly to be Bucky's friend. By episode 3, he cares. He worries about how Bucky is getting lumped in with the other super soldiers in Zemo's speech... But he never really defends him. He says "what about Bucky?" but he doesn't point out that Bucky's a good man, he's fought so hard to help people, he does everything he can to avoid killing... And that fucking speech in episode 5. I was with him on "you gotta stop looking to other people to tell you who you are." I was like "YEAH! Tell him, Sam! Bucky, you're WORTH SAVING, boo! Your value does not hinge on someone else's opinion of you!" And then... Sam dropped the ball.

He not only continued the disturbing pattern of victim-blaming in this show, and in Marvel/Disney properties in general, but he gave really dangerously bad advice! No one in their right mind, mental health professional or no, would EVER tell a traumatized former assassin (whether he was responsible for his actions or not) to go confront his victims' families out of the blue with no warning and no one to mediate and keep things from going to shit. Yori already knew his son had been murdered because he was in the "wrong place, wrong time." How is it being "of service" to tell him you're the one who killed him?! Remember how I said Tony's reaction to learning the full truth about his parents' deaths was valid and would be an important point later? Hi! Welcome to later. THAT is the natural reaction to facing the man who murdered your loved one(s). And even if Yori didn't get angry and lash out, HOW IS IT "HELPING" HIM OR BRINGING HIM "CLOSURE" TO KNOW THAT HIS FRIEND KILLED HIS FUCKING SON?!?!?! This man befriended him, bonded with him, watched him grieve... And now he's learning this is the man who caused all his pain and heartache to begin with? That is so toxic and psycho I just... I can't even... UGH.

And then there's the equally toxic and damaging "deeply traumatized person just needed a stern talking to and a hug to be ALL BETTER AGAIN" ending. I loved seeing Bucky happy and socializing, but it was too soon, and it was unearned. And it sends a fucking awful message to people actually struggling with PTSD, and to their loved ones who don't know how to help them. Heaping more blame on them and then hugging it out is NOT helpful!

This show could have been damn near perfect with just two changes. That's all. Just two. 1) Someone, anyone, bringing up the reasons why Bucky was never a villain in his presence. Someone being in his corner and reminding him, like Steve did, that it wasn't his fault and he's not going to "snap". 2) More time devoted to Bucky's healing. Actual fucking healing, not the shit they tried to pass off as a magic fix-all. He can have his happy barbecue moment, just don't frame it as "everything's great now!" Healing isn't linear, and there will be both good days and bad. Some of the most fragile people in the world have the brightest smiles.

If we get a season 2, which this amazing show absolutely deserves, and they address this stuff, all will be forgiven in my book. Expanding on his story and his journey toward healing will help to reframe that "happily ever after" garbage as something more realistic. But as it stands now... Fuck Marvel.

#fan rant #ragepost #long post #bucky barnes #mcu #captain america #the first avenger #the winter soldier #civil war #tfatws #mcu spoilers #stop victim blaming #victim not villain #never a fucking villain #bucky deserved better #fuck marvel #fuck disney

[imperiuswrecked]

To me, it doesn’t make sense to make Magneto the main villain because it has been done so much before and it would connect it so much to the Fox Films. Also I think there is a GREAT laziness in writing Magneto especially in films. He generally didn’t want to kill all humans, subjugate them yes because he doesn’t trust them. Which isn’t a ‘good guy’ move in itself and he slips in and out of.

He legit murdered genocide I think when he was going to kill all humans. Like no.

I also think that the average cinema goer likes Magneto too much… or maybe that is me. It would also require them to recast the most famous faces of the franchises?

Like is anyone going to care if they recast Jean, Scott, Iceman, Rogue, Kitty, Beast even Mystique but Magneto? I don’t know. I have long been a fan of an actual Jewish actor playing Magneto but following Ian McKellan would be difficult for the casual fans to accept. I don’t think Fassbender left such an amazing impression.

Even my most average MCU fans friends (and god they love the MCU 😤 but I see past it) still talk about how much they want to see a Magneto solo film.

To me I would put the focus on their reveal and sentinels. Then again I thought they’ll go through Krakoa stuff. Like it turns out the mutants have been living on this Island etc

With the ‘simpler times’ comment I have to for the sake of my sanity have to think that it was because Pietro knew where he was. Things were clear to him, as much as it hurt he had his sister. The following trauma had not occurred. Again I don’t think this is true but I am trying to reason bad writing. He didn’t doubt his morality but was indebted and controlled. Shitty actions were out of his control.

I don’t read Avengers so I didn’t know he was shelved for so long.

I think the Trial of Magneto is trying to ride on the coattails of Wandavision because even though she’s not a mutant a lot of the internet was wanting Magneto to show up. So what is the best way to get those fans who wanted to see that? Set up a family comic book where they establish the family again because I guess the MCU fans heard they’ve changed their background and themselves didn’t like it.

I see the Trial of Magneto as something poorly thought out as they saw what the audience was interested in. The timeline kind of clashes uncomfortably with Inferno. Which makes me think it was wedged in there to ride the Wandavision train and undo the retcon on the side of the main storyline.

Thank you for reading my essay/rant

Ok so I'm going to first say you have a lot of great thoughts and great on picking up the whole forced feeling. You are right, it does feel wedged in there and it does feel forced because that's exactly what Marvel did.

The Trial of Magneto was supposed to be an X-Factor plot, it was Leah Williams next arc, here's an article link talking about her podcast: link (yes I know it's bleeding cool but I don't have time to listen to the podcast)

Leah Williams tells us that X-Factor was canceled because Leah's pitch for the Magneto/Wanda story for X-Factor, now called Trial Of Magneto, became such a popular pitch at Marvel but they thought the reader numbers for X-Factor wasn't big enough for this story, so they wanted it as a separate comic. And canceled X-Factor #10 rather than seeing it run as originally planned, with the Trial beginning in X-Factor #15. Williams says she only learned about the cancellation of X-Factor when she was writing #9, so as she had to finish the series quickly, squeezing six issues worth of story into those last two issues, calling it "cramped and rushed".

So I'm not a fan of Leah but the way Marvel treats it's writers has always been terrible so this cancellation doesn't surprise me. Could this be about W*ndaVision? It's likely, but it's more likely this has to do with Hickman bowing out. It's no secret literally everyone hated the retcon and I always knew it would be undone but I didn't think it would take 6 years but here we are.

Hickman leaving is a bigger thing, he stated in an interview ( link ) that he had planned Krakoa and X-Men to be a 3 arc story, and he wasn't allowed to move onto the 2nd arc because the clowns at Marvel liked the idea of Krakoa too much and I'm so mad because that's exactly the kinda behavior that annoys me with the fans, them thinking Krakoa is just a fun playground for the mutants to mess around with.

"Oh, plans have changed entirely," Hickman says. "When I pitched the X-Men story I wanted to do, I pitched a very big, very broad, three-act, three-event narrative, the first of which was House of X. And while this loosely worked as a three-year plan, I told Marvel upfront that I honestly had no idea how long the first part would last because there were a lot of interesting ideas that I had seeded that other creators would want to play with, and so, we left this rather open-ended. I was also pretty clear with all the writers that came into the office what the initial, three-act plan was so no one would be surprised when it was time for the line to pivot." Hickman continues, "However, I also knew that I was cooking with dynamite, and it was very possible that what I had written in House of X, and the ideas contained within, was not actually the first act of a three-act story, but something that resonated more deeply and worked more like Giant-Size X-Men, where it would represent a paradigm shift in the entire X-Men line for a prolonged period of time. So, during the pandemic, when the time came for me to start pointing things toward writing the second-act event, I asked everyone if they were ready for me to do that, and to a man, everyone wanted to stay in the first act. It was really interesting, because I appreciated that House of X resonated with them to the extent that they didn't want it to end, but the reality was that I knew I would be leaving the line early."

I'm so MAD because the thing I was predicting, that Hickman would have it come crashing down and everything would be revealed to be terrible and Mutant Death Sex Cult Island wasn't a paradise is never going to happen because the fucking CLOWNS at Marvel don't want him to move past it. I may have my personal gripes about some of Hickman's writing but we can't deny the man wrote one of the best if only the best Marvel Event with Fantastic Four/Avengers/Secret War.

As for the simpler times comment, like I have my theories that I wrote out here, and that's what I think is most likely but I do think Pietro's life has never been easy or simple once his adoptive parents died. Pietro could be drinking to a time before the Brotherhood.

I would love for a Jewish actor to play Magneto and any other characters who are Jewish. I would love for a Jewish writer to be able to write them too. However Ian's performance literally set him in the minds of the people as Magneto, not even Fassbender's bleh one note Magneto could compare. Imo the only reason people liked the younger Magneto was because he was young, handsome (? ig idk i dont simp for him) and they could ship him with young professor X (cowards. where is the old man ship???) But I feel like a new actor could definitely fill the role if they are Jewish and the writing was good.

Magneto's writing in comics... well I just wish we could have a Jewish writer for him. There's some great stuff for him but I feel like characters like him and Doom could be written better by non white/american writers.

Although by today's standards the og X-Men trilogy doesn't hold up I will defend the first two movies with my life simply because after Blade these movies opened up the idea that a good serious, non campy version where characters called Magneto and Cyclops were taken seriously. X2 in my mind was the definitive X-Men movie. Was it totally comic accurate? No, but it doesn't do what the MCU does, it doesn't treat the watcher like they need to have their hand held through all the military propaganda and "hints to the comics". Also side note; the reason no one cared about any of the other X-Men being recast is because all through most of the X-Men movies the focal story point has been Professor X vs Magneto. If they really want people to care about those characters/actors then we would need stories that focused on them. Not like how Storm barely had any character growth or plot in the og X-Men and even young Ororo got mishandled by the script. This is why I feel we should have "origin movies" for the X-Men that don't do what Wolverine Origins did and try to make a whole new cast but instead should use the stories as they are. If it was Kurt's story then we would see him join the X-Men, and have the other actors revolve around that. Same with each of the others, the X-Men work best when they are working off each other and each given enough screen/page time to shine. Unfortunately we all have our favorites, even movies and writers, so those are who are going to be pushed for fans to love.

Thank you for your long rant and sorry for my own long rant/reply.

#xmen #x men #comic talk #xmcu #magneto #erik lensherr #imp answers

[all-pacas]

OR: Why I Am Still Mad the MCU did Spider-Man wrong, a short-ish essay.

[image described: a panel from ‘Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Issue #10. spider-man, masked, is talking to tony stark, unmasked. 

Tony: Spider-Man, in real terms, my time is worth a small fortune. This conversation is probably worth… Let’s put it this way. Do you have a mortgage on your house?

Spider-Man: No.

Tony: Good for you.

Spider-Man: No, I’m… ah… I’m renting.

Tony: What?

Spider-Man: With two other guys.

Tony: What!?

end description.]

i’m fairly apathetic to the MCU as a thing, which i’m not saying to try and win cool points or anything — i’ve enjoyed the movies i’ve seen of them, it’s just not generally my thing. but at the same time, maybe oddly, i am lowkey a big fan of the spider-man comics. in particular, the current run of ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ is legit good, and so while i’m agonistic towards the MCU as a whole, i’m really, really bitter about how they handled peter parker/spider-man in it.

because: plot twist! spider-man is not a teenager! not even close! 

while it’s true that in the comics, he started out as a fifteen year old, it took very little time for the comics to age him into college, and peter has been out of college for… i don’t even know, but at least thirty years, real world time. the comics are pretty ambiguous about his age, but he’s absolutely in his mid to late twenties at this point, and the comics reflect that, and that’s what’s such a bummer about the MCU’s take, and really most of the filmed versions of spider-man (save the raimi trilogy), but especially now, because boy is peter a fucking burned out millennial struggling to get by in a world that doesn’t give a shit about him.

forget ‘gifted high school kid who just wants to be an avenger’: peter parker is, in the current run, unemployed, a college drop out, living with two roommates — one of whom is actually an ‘out’ c-tier semi-reformed supervillain. he can’t find a new job, because he’s so driven to stop every single crime and incident in new york city that it’s slowly ruining his life — with great power comes great responsibility sounds super cool until it leads to you burning out because you take every cat in every tree personally — and, hell, the current story arc is directly about the ways that peter’s need to save everyone can read as controlling, and how he and mary jane both are reacting to the simple fact that they were shitty friends to someone else once, and left him behind while they were coping with their own traumas. or, how about that peter is so stubbornly a lone hero that he refuses to join or even unmask around any of new york’s other heroes — and in the current run of comics, most of the “big name” heroes are out to one another, if they bother with secret identities at all — because peter is also dealing with a lifetime of trauma over being orphaned, losing his uncle, and losing his first serious girlfriend, and so deflects and jokes rather than opening up? or! the fact that this trauma has also made him so dependent on the small circle of trusted people he has that he will and has absolutely ripped reality apart to save them, and rather than being treated as heroic the comic is actually really calling him out on that and the ways it’s fucked up?

i like spider-man because he fails. constantly. it’s a running joke, but it’s also familiar in a dull, painful way: peter tries to do everything, he’s so crippled by his sense of responsibility — spider-man is like, A-Tier in powers, but largely spends his time patrolling the streets of new york, stopping car accidents, compared to say the avengers, who are equal in strength and spend their time saving the world —like, imagine if superman devoted his time to being a crossing guard, because once superman saw a hit-and-run, and that’s about the level. and this obsession destroys peter’s life, loses him friends and jobs and apartments — hard to keep a job when you have to run off at any moment to fight crime — and he does it anyway, he keeps going. most other superheroes? kind of find him annoying. unlike tony, he doesn’t get fame or wealth or praise from it, but he does it anyway. he’s exhausted and hurt and doesn’t have pockets, and jokes it all off, gets up, and does it again. peter is a burnt out millennial hiding his trauma with bad jokes who can’t pay his rent, and the thing is:

[image described: the panel directly after the one above. tony stark and spider-man are still talking.

Tony: Aren’t you a genius?

Spider-Man: Not when it comes to money.

Tony: Why?

Spider-Man: Because I don’t value it.

Tony: You don’t value… money?

Spider-Man: No, sorry.

end description.]

peter could be rich. he’s a genius, and he builds and invents his gadgets, and this is a world where that’s a sure career path. he could quit superheroing and become a science teacher and marry MJ and be very happy, but he won’t, and that’s because what matters to him is saving everyone. tony stark is rich and famous and can’t comprehend the concept of a superhero who has two roommates and rents a shitty apartment.

in this issue, peter goes to tony for help, because… he needs a legal accountant. he found a c-tier villain who is using his wealth to scam the sick and homeless by committing insurance fraud. i just wanted to mention that somewhere.

peter is stubborn and burnt out and barely keeping his life together, and yet still doing everything he can to do what’s right, throwing his personal life completely down the drain to help even one person, and that’s just… nice. and MCU teenage peter is a nice kid, he’s heroic, he’s doing his best, but that’s not the peter parker i’m interested in. 

also quick mary jane sidebar: i think MCU’s MJ does capture the… sort of outsider ‘spirit’ of MJ, who was introduced in the 60s as a jeans-wearing party girl who lived on her own in the city, none of which translates properly as outlandish and rebellious today. but god do i love mary jane as she is now in the comics: a reformed stepford smiler party girl, utterly fearless and cool under pressure, dealing with the afteraffects of her own trauma and her own years of running and pushing people away out of fear and past abuse. she and peter make so much sense together, like, they’re one of comic’s big otps, no wonder, but, they’re also two broken people  afraid to open up to anyone, who trust and love one another completely? there’s a page in the cancelled ‘amazing mary jane’ where MJ sees the sinister six charging in her general direction and just… sighs and takes off her hoop earrings and grabs a pole to get ready for a fucking brawl. in a recent ASM issue, she’s the lone civilian in a room of spider-people and still makes sure to guide all these spider-teenagers out the door first. she has no super powers! she doesn’t make grand speeches or get saved! she just takes off her earrings and heels and grabs a bat! we love mary jane watson! we love a pair of tired twenty-somethings who are just trying to be functional adults in a society that is against them, who are trying to recover from abuse and trauma as adults, who are trying to face their past mistakes!

also, you can illegally read it all online, and i definitely recommend the 2019 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man -- it’s a 10 issue run -- if going into the full Amazing Spider-Man run is a little much for you.

[ragingstillness]

I finally figured out what pisses me off about the way the MCU is constructed.

For comics, often the universe presented is essentially a playground for the writers. They’re allowed to do pretty much anything as long as they stay roughly in character and can justify or retcon whatever batshit direction they go in. This process works with minimal communication between writers to the point where someone’s run is often considered an entirely different universe/timeline/story than another’s. And for comics with the way they were published over time and consumed, this is entirely fine. You’re not really supposed to be able to make one coherent plot line out of it all. In fact it’s almost like fanfiction itself, where side characters that get briefly introduced catch the fancy of a different writer who then goes on to make them a whole thing (see Punisher showing up in Daredevil as just one of many examples).

And again, for comics, this is fine. You’re supposed to be able to pick and choose what storylines and artists and characters you like and because there’s a very nebulous established canon you can sort of decide what you want to be canon for yourself.

Now. On the other hand. This is a shitty shitty way to write movies. Especially movies that are supposed to have one coherent, chronological timeline, with side stories that add onto the main one. If you’re doing that, you very well can have multiple writers, but they need to be on the same page about the overall plot, the end goal, and the characterization. They cannot be allowed to make these things up individually or the story begins to feel very off, as chronologically and characteristically a lot of changes don’t make sense with previous work. Characters begin to feel like entirely new people when they are supposed to be continuing from the last movie they were in.

This lack of communication, with writers treating the MCU like the comics universe and each making their own story, is what causes the MCU to be so frustrating.

Ex:

Things that can work in the comics:

Cap can be both the noble Captain America (most Cap comics) and evil Hydra Steve Rogers (Deadpool and a few others)

Matt can have lost his sight from a chemical truck crash that belonged to Stark Industries, Oscorp, or Rand Enterprises.

Clint’s dog Lucky can be multiple different dogs to different people under different names and different abilities.

Things that cannot work in the movies:

Loki calling Natasha a “mewling quim” in Avengers then Loki drinking his respect women juice all throughout his show. (Joss Whedon vs Kate Herron)

Thor experiencing the character development to lose his hammer and unlock his power as well as losing his eye but being a better king than his father. Then Thor going to a ton of trouble to get a new hammer and receiving a new bionic eye in a one-off scene. (Taika Waititi vs The Russos)

Tony Stark giving up Iron Man for Pepper then happily building suits no problem soon after. (Shane Black and Drew Pierce vs Joss Whedon)

Cap moving on with Sharon then going back in time to be with Peggy. (The Russos vs themselves lol)

Tony appearing to have little trauma at all from Afghanistan then having severe anxiety. (Mark Fergus, Hawk Ostby, Art Marcum, and Matt Holloway vs Shane Black and Drew Pierce)

#mcu meta #mcu #i'm bitter #comics #movies

[morethanonepage]

what would you say are the dynamics and themes that interest you most? Also frankly I'm surprised you read any star wars fic still, I agree on just wanting to read some good finnpoe but that has gotten increasingly futile.

i mean the thing i potentially like so much about finnpoe is that they BOTH have very specific, in some ways very different traumas (finn being a child soldier and growing up in such a highly regulated way where he had basically no bodily autonomy VS poe being mind-raped AND seeing his inability to stop it as having betrayed his own people AND seeing so many of his friends & comrades die in quick succession AND still recovering from the loss of his mother as a child and Muran when he was commanding Rapier Squadron) but they both have a tendency to compartmentalize that and continue to function on their own while being loyal (Finn’s devotion to Rey, which gets a lot of flack in fandom but like -- that’s one of the first people he’s been able to form a connection with!! AND I think he lowkey feels that it’s his fault Rey got dragged into -- everything, so he feels a great deal of responsibility for protecting her) and passionate about a cause (Poe basically killing himself to keep the Ideals Of The Republic Alive, be it through trying to hunt down the FO before he’s even part of the Resistance, to doing everything he can to keep the Resistance afloat once he is). 

like they have those similarities -- a real sense of duty and responsibility toward their friends and those they’re fighting with -- but they have fundamental differences in approach that the movies did a shitty job of extrapolating on when it could’ve been such an interesting conflict: Poe is the idealist and thinks of duty to a higher ideal first and foremost (like Leia and his mother, tbh) whereas Finn is more of a pessimist and a cynic and believes protecting your friends and loved ones from the substantial evil is hard enough without setting up to FIGHT ALL OF THE BAD IN THE UNIVERSE like Poe wants/believes he has to do. and both of these things are based so much on their upbringings! Poe grew up with those ideals and freedoms and parents who fought, successfully, to protect them, and believes he owes it to them to live up to their example and protect them as well; Finn has SEEN the evil of the FO firsthand and seen everyone around him subsumed by it, believes it to be omnipotent bc for him and his squad mates it literally was. escaping all of that was an act of powerful resistance on its own!

idk i just think a lot of the fandom’s take on this is, if you focus on finn ~running away~ in canon or not wanting to join up with the Resistance just ‘cause it’s ~the right thing to do~ you’re feeding into this idea of black men being cowards and/or selfish when it’s like no! that’s the consequence of his trauma: he’s running away from an abuser who controlled every aspect of his life, who’s set up to hunt him down and destroy planets and take over the universe in a way that’ll mean he’s NEVER safe, and he knows every single person he grew up with and had some affection for are a part of it too, which on the one hand he might be reluctant to fight them, but on the other they 100% won’t be reluctant to fight him AND they know him well enough to know his weaknesses. 

all of this is A LOT and it’s heavy and dark stuff, which i GET can be hard to work into like, light fluffy fic about finn finally being happy or learning what sex is or w/e, and not everything about fanfic has to be a ~deep exploration~ of character’s inner turmoil but like -- idk. there’s ways of dealing with these elements of finn’s backstory without making the whole thing drudging tragedy porn (which is ANOTHER fanfic trend i can’t stand -- neither Finn nor Poe are characters entirely without hope and fics that treat either of their tragedies [lbr it’s mostly poe’s that get dealt with] as the focus or main characteristic of either also bum me out) and I just really wish fandom had more interest in it. 

Another factor that KILLS ME is how Poe has (justifiably) developed OBVIOUS distrust for the force and force users, and would have such a fundamentally hard time dealing with the fact that Finn is one. Canon didn’t even let Finn be explicitly force sensitive, and fandom is like YAY FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE, NOW HE CAN USE THE FORCE TO BONE (POE), and any fic that does touch on it makes Poe out to be ~unreasonable for not trusting Finn, or having his distrust be a consequence of his PTSD alone, and a sign he has to deal with his shit VS a very real issue that Poe might genuinely not be able to get over: the force CAN be creepy and is too easy to abuse, and a lot of what Poe’s seen it used for WAS bad. 

the other dimension of all this is, accidentally or not, these dynamics take on all sorts of real-world implications given both actor’s identities -- the explicit parallels between Finn’s upbringing and chattel slavery (taken from his family at an early age, losing all connection with his birthplace and culture, seen as useful but dispensable by an oppressive, mostly-white empire)  & its legacy for Black Americans (that lack of connection with a historical homeland and the loss of a cultural connection that came from it) VS the first generation latinx immigrant narrative that Poe and his family embody (the sacrifice for and long separation from a child in the service of giving them a better life, the burden that child takes upon themselves to make that sacrifice worth it by excelling in certain spheres, the drive to be the VERY BEST representative of their new culture, the embrace of that culture’s ideals bc they don’t want to think their parents sacrificed everything for a lie [with the creeping knowledge and experience to know many of those ideals are flawed and not always lived up to]). 

and the canon ignores that bc addressing it would require world building that couldn’t center/come back to the Skywalkers in some way (and the only family dynamics it’s interested in is DADDY ISSUES, fucking Free Fall), and fandom doesn’t care about it bc it’s mostly white girls who, AT BEST, decide to focus on the potential ~sexuality conflicts (coming out, family rejection, etc) when writing real world AUS, without dealing with the intersectionality of a black and a brown man, their respective cultural context, and the resultant conflicts those would create beyond, idk, “POCs are always homophobic so finn and/or poe’s parents kicked them out or w/e”.  and like I really don’t WANT these people trying to grapple with the complexity of a queer, interracial relationship where neither participant is white (i’ve seen enough just watching them grapple with either character’s sexuality tbh). 

but idk, that’s what’s interesting to me: finn and poe’s backgrounds and how those set up fundamental conflict points for both of them, both in canon (Poe’s devotion to the cause of liberty and democracy for the whole galaxy VS Finn’s duty to the people he loves over anything else) and in a real world au (Black people have a fundamentally different relationship to the American Ideal than Latinx immigrants do, for very good reasons). And I want those things to be significant elements of the characterization for both, but not the ONLY elements of characterization for both: stories should, in even some small way, be about what characters WANT (even if it is just “to fuck,” as it often is when I write [ok it’s usually “to love but be able to show it without saying it, hence the fucking”]) and so few fics, these days, give me any sense of what finn and poe want besides, vaguely “each other” (”because the author feels like they have to write them bc the actors are hot/for woke points”) and that is just -- boring to me. 

also god i would just love to read some dialogue that isn’t just twitter/tumblr memes and/or mcu level mean quips. like, just in general. 

#given my insanely high standards i think i should be rewarded for not shredding EVERY fic i read frankly #finnpoe #youandthemountains #longpost #rebloggable if you so choose lol

[fantastica-sff]

fandom for the character ask game: marvel, to give you SO MANY to pick from lol

blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): At this point it's easily T'Challa, as much as it pains me there's not going to be any more of the character (I doubt even What If is going to reuse him), but at least this means he won't be subject to any shitty writing. Still, I wish I could see further development of my smart and kind boy...

scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): Mantis, she is absolutely adorable and I love her and the writing of her trauma and interactions with Drax in GotG v2 are the most frustrating part of the film that I otherwise place among my MCU best faves for what it achieves in its second half. Yes, more than the absolutely unfunny Taserface joke. Anyway, kick names and take ass, my baby.

scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): Scott Lang, though it's probably less underappreciated in terms of fans and more in terms of writers because everyone that isn't Peyton Reed and Paul Rudd seems to treat the poor guy as a complete idiot, starting with [censored] who wrote Endgame and have everyone except Banner, Nat, and Steve be openly dismissive and derisive of him.

glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): Kamina from the T'Challa Star-Lord universe in What If season 1. Yes, my girl, break every bone in the Collector's body. GET HIM

poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): Kat Dennings' Darcy. She's oddly unpopular for otherwise the only bright spot in the first two Thor films that isn't Loki. Though she appears to have found more popularity after WandaVision, so I don't know how accurate it is anymore XD

horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): Loki. They are, unfortunately for them, always best written while suffering or otherwise miserable 😅

eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): I want to say Star-Lord, but that's more because of my distaste for Chris Pratt. Otherwise... let's say Stephen Strange - easily the least appealing of MCU leads at this point. And Wong's a better and more fun wizard anyway. Would Strange go on a late night karaoke? Pfft.

#legacysam

[mywingsareonwheels]

Hoooopefully last post on the Bucky’s arm kerfuffle but i did want to say this too

(Especially because I’m really worried that some stuff I’ve said over the last few days might be being used by people to be shitty and that gives me a responsibility to clarify some stuff.)

- I still do absolutely stand (well, sit ;-) ) by the fact that Bucky’s arm is his arm and it wasn’t okay for Ayo to remove it without his consent. (I’m... still thinking about the implications of the failsafe being there in the first place; I was initially so angry about this but I think I’m now more... wanting to know more about what Shuri’s reasoning was before I make a final judgement; there might be something I’m missing). Like a lot of disabled viewers I found that moment both horrifying and painfully familiar in its implications and resonances.

- and

- people who are laughing at that moment (and especially continuing to laugh at it after hearing from disabled people) really really need to think about how that comes across to disabled people and how our bodies and our agency and our assistance devices when we have them (and our rights to those devices) are treated in real life. I have far, far more of a problem with this than I have with what Ayo actually did in the show (where it was treated as a serious and sad moment even though I’m not sure the creators got all the implications). Please, please do better, abled people. Come on.

- BUT ALSO IT IS FUCKING IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT:-

- other than that one moment Ayo was completely in the right in that episode and there is no excuse for white able-bodied Bucky fans to demonise her or use her fuck-up as a way to let him off the hook for the fuck-ups he’s made in the show, of which there have been far more, especially letting Zemo out of prison. I love Bucky so much - he’s my favourite character in the mcu, I feel for him a lot, and for a number of reasons I relate to him a great deal - but he is really not being his best self in the show so far or lived up to his own ideals, and we can love him and sympathise with his illness and trauma and still acknowledge that and feel for the people he’s hurt with his mistakes, especially Ayo and Shuri and T’Challa and the other Wakandans. Ayo did an ableist thing that I wish she had not done in the heat of the moment for extremely understandable reasons and under considerable provocation, not to mention her own trauma and grief and self-blame. She was right to be angry, she was right to feel betrayed after everything she and Shuri have done for Bucky, she and the other Dora Milaje were right to fight both Bucky and Sam when they intervened to help Walker, she was right to be out of patience. The only thing wrong was that precise action itself, in that one moment, and given all the pressures she was under what she did was understandable even though it wasn’t okay. That context matters.

- I’m not aware of an abled person in the *world* who’s never done anything ableist. No one. So, there’s that context too. Holding Black people to a higher standard than white people and non-Black POC when it comes to fuck-ups along other axes of marginalisation is part of antiblackness.

- on which note anyone comparing Ayo and the Wakandans to Hydra (FFS) is being gross as fuck. I... I just. Ugh. This should not need saying but since it apparently does: comparing some awesome Black people with actual fascists because of one mistake made in the heat of the moment is so far from being okay I don’t even have the words for it.

- I don’t know if anybody has used my words in pointing out that moment of ableism to justify saying racist things about Ayo and the other Wakandans. But I do know I could have done more to head that possibility off by being clearer and more emphatic about all of this earlier. So, apologies.

- fellow white physically disabled tfatws viewers: we’ve had one of our forms of trauma enacted in that episode, and then had a less-than-sympathetic response from some other fans when we’ve spoken out about it, and it fucking sucks. Fans of colour, especially Black fans (and including Black disabled fans!) have been dealing with seeing some of their trauma enacted in every episode so far and have also been having a less-than-sympathetic response from some other fans. I know I’m not the only one who could do with being more aware of that.

A further more meta point: right now most of all I am deeply frustrated with the MCU writers for repeatedly having Bucky’s arm damaged or removed or threatened as a plot device, regardless of whether they made those instances justifiable in-story or not. That is extremely ableist of them.

#tfatws #tfatws spoilers #tfatws episode 4 #ayo #bucky barnes #tw ableism #tw racism #tw antiblackness #tw misogynoir

[precarious-hermit]

I'm just saying that Steve Rogers doesn't handle things that don't go his way as well as Marvel likes to pretend he does. Oooooo super military man, change in a second on the field, faced off super bad guys, both magic and non magic, with his rag tag group of merry men way back in the day.

He shits on Howard's son as soon as he's told about who he is based off of one person's opinion and his own biases about no one being able to match up to Howard... and continued to do so throughout the mcu. You're allowed on the team Tony, but make no mistake, you're only here as an outside consultant. And for money. And to live with you. And for your resources. Shield said so. He constantly boomeranged between treat his probably-would've-been-godson-had-things-turned-out-differently in a decent manner, use him for money, or treat him like shit. Tony, you belong here on this team... until you disappoint me, and then you're nothing; you're just useful for your money and your suit. We need you, Tony

Just found out your best friend is actually alive? Faced with unimaginable trauma and torture and doesn't remember you? Yeah, that's not his fault, but I'm going to force him to be the old Bucky because that's who he should be, causing a global international incident, and blame it on the one rich person in the group to clean it up. Meanwhile Bucky is traumatized, vulnerable, and trying to remember and relearn how to be a human - let alone function - and Steve totally takes advantage of that.

Then, when everything comes to a boil, and Tony learns that Steve knew about his parents' murder via Bucky and snapped, Steve still kept being a fucking asshole. Steve has trained with Tony for years. He knows how to handle the suit. He knows what the arc reactor does. He made the choice to kill Tony, and Bucky - poor fucking vulnerable Bucky who knows full well that it wasn't going to end well but wanted to make things right, didn't know how to or how to deal with things, and who's basically been influenced by only Steve and his merry band of Steve acolytes for months while he learned how to be a person again - probably had no fucking idea about the arc reactor. Even if Hydra knew what it was and told him, he's still in no position to stop the one man everyone has been telling him to trust for months. Steve doesn't just "mess up" sometimes, but hey, he's still a good guy. Steve is just a shitty guy who treats people good when things go his way, and treats them bad when things don't go his way - even to the point of months-long build up of this cycle that's just presented so normally. He's the supposed leader of the team, why shouldn't he do this?

I don't know, maybe because it's abusive.

Is it so surprising?

He was best friends with Howard, after all.

#mcu #steve rogers #captain america #tony stark #bucky barnes #winter soldier #no seriously why is he so shitty #why do people act like its normal #tony doesn't deserve to be told he will never be as good as his abusive father by his father's best friend #who was his hero growing up and who he was constantly compared to and told he was a failure in comparison of #in a shocking turn of events almost all of his dad's friends are shitty #except peggy #i stand by the fact that peggy jarvis and ana were the only reason tony grew into a decent person #like yes he was a weapons manufacturer but he was also groomed by obidiah and went through a few arcs of growing as a person #he knew he was shitty and did his best to fix it #and that just hasn't happened with steve - he's just treated as if there's nothing to improve because he's perfect #everyone else on the team went through some sort of arc where they changed and grew as people

[legofemme]

why does black widow make you so angry?

* smashes through 3 brick walls* OK SO. I should preface this by saying that im only talking abt mcu black widow. I dont read the comics . NOW THEN. WITH THAT ASIDE. Let me add a readmore

My main issue with her starts in age of ultron, where they decide to delve into her backstory and then make an unwanted romance plotline. Natashas entire thing is that she was raised in this "school for girls" that was actually just grooming children into being assassins and whatnot. They also would go in and remove the uterus and ovaries of the girls when they reached a certain age to "prevent them from wanting families" or whatever. Thats where the name widow comes from

The way they make. The character handle this though is just. Extremely extremely shitty . they have her have multiple flashbacks and then make her go on this whole thing about how shes a "monster" and is "unlovable" due to the fact that she cant have kids and the fact that she has all this ~trauma~ which surely must bog people down or whatever the fuck. Which is incredibly disrespectful to actual irl women who are infertile or dealing with intense trauma who- from what ive read- didnt exactly appreciate having their bodies treated like some terrible tragedy/monstrous plotpoint for the sake of... You guessed it! Romance

She latches onto bruce banner and like. Starts just manipulating him lowkey? Saying shit like "oohh we're both ~monsters~ we belong together" which 8| hmmm not good. In fact, that entire romance subplot failed so bad that they killed off natasha for the sole purpose of forgetting it ever happened

Which leads us to! The black widow movie. It apparently takes place in a completely different universe than the main mcu and has wrapped back around to how every woman who was at that "school" is evil and fucked and only scarjo gets to have a happy ending or whatever. Btw scarjo as a person ... Im not going to get into that but she's basically the only fucking reason this stupid movie exists. She begged for it.

My general point was that her character was lackluster in the first avengers movie, so they decided to butcher it going forward- demonizing traumatized and infertile women at the same time- and when the studios realized that people hated it, they killed her off for the sole purpose of retconning everything through dimension travel nonsense. If they hadnt made the movie, the only people that would be upset would be those weird ass mcu fans who think she represents "girl power" and scarjo herself :/

#vani verbals #SORRy this got long i was heated #tldr: they made the character into a funnel for demonizing most women for the sole purpose of shitty romance plots