#men can be victims too

[gay-----pisces2]

things most of society needs to learn:

-99% of queer and trans people are not going after your children, we just want the queer and trans children to be safe and feel reassured that everything will be ok.

-men can be abused, SA'ed, raped, attacked, have eating disorders, etc. yes, more women have these things happen to them, which is terrible, but that doesn't mean we should erase male victims. that'll just make it so men never admit to having these things happen.

-language evolves. you are not being forced to say "people who menstruate" or "people with penises", etc. but its more considerate to people who are trans/gnc. with that being said, yes, you have a right to not use these terms.

-most people use pronouns, so saying "pronouns in bio" or "pronoun/neopronoun user" is not a dunk. and yes, neopronouns are new and we all know much like the Croods you think everything new is dangerous, but it doesnt really matter if someone uses them.

let me know if I missed other stuff, and I'll add it here:

@forgie-forg has added," Also! Note that medical institutions should be obligated to use 'person with a uterus' 'person with a penis' etc because not doing so leads to trans people being denied healthcare. Nobody minds what terms you use to personally describe yourself"

#lgbtq #queer #lgbtq community #lgbtqplus #lgbt pride #lgbtqiia+ #queer community #transgender #trans #trans rights #men can be victims too #men can cry

[egalitarianchica]

Support for Male Survivors

Since today is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Men and Boys, here are some resources for male survivors.

Male Sexual Assault Survivors

- 1in6

- MaleSurvivor

- Jim Hopper

- MenHealing

- O’Brien Dennis Initiative

Male Domestic Violence Survivors

- National Domestic Violence Hotline

#anti abuse #men can be victims too #male survivors

[winterspellsfrozenkit]

So I saw a reblog of my gripes about "There Are Other Ways" in Epic: The Musical from @nerdygirl2023 where they mentioned how they get annoyed by Calypso's song, but mentioned they haven't read the Odyssey yet, but I HAVE and I'm about to REALLY RUIN "I'm Not Sorry For Loving You" and I am NOT going to mince words! So, Trigger Warnings for Rape and Sexual Abuse.

So, why this song, despite being pretty is the WORST SONG EVER? I have MANY reasons. I'll start with the context in the story and then I'll dissect her song lyrics. It's going to be a LONG POST and I'm going to get salty so I'll add a TLDR at the end.

First, while Odysseus was on Calypso's island, she RAPED him. To prove my point, I'll give you six (double the amount I did for Circe's Coercion) and I'll bold the part that proves it was rape.

"So saying, the strong Argeiphontes departed, and the queenly nymph went to the great-hearted Odysseus, when she had heard the message of Zeus. Him she found sitting on the shore, and his eyes were never dry of tears, and his sweet life was ebbing away, as he longed mournfully for his return, for the nymph was no longer pleasing in his sight. By night indeed he would sleep by her side perforce in the hollow caves, unwilling beside the willing nymph, but by day he would sit on the rocks and the sands, racking his soul with tears and groans and griefs, and he would look over the unresting sea, shedding tears."

2. "On this he took his leave, and Calypso went out to look for Odysseus, for she had heard Zeus' message. She found him sitting upon the beach with his eyes ever filled with tears, and dying of sheer home sickness; for he had got tired of Calypso, and though he was forced to sleep with her in the cave by night, it was she, not he, that would have it so. As for the day time, he spent it on the rocks and on the sea shore, weeping, crying aloud for his despair, and always looking out upon the sea."

3. "With this the mighty slayer of Argus departed, and the lovely Nymph, mindful of Zeus’ command, looked for valiant Odysseus. She found him sitting on the shore, his eyes as ever wet with tears, life’s sweetness ebbing from him in longing for his home, since the Nymph no longer pleased him. He was forced to sleep with her in the hollow cave at night, as she wished though he did not, but by day he sat among rocks or sand, tormenting himself with tears, groans and anguish, gazing with wet eyes at the restless sea."

4. "And in a moment vanished from her eye, The nymph, obedient to divine command, To seek Ulysses, paced along the sand, Him pensive on the lonely beach she found, With streaming eyes in briny torrents drown’d, And inly pining for his native shore; For now the soft enchantress pleased no more; For now, reluctant, and constrained by charms, Absent he lay in her desiring arms, In slumber wore the heavy night away, On rocks and shores consumed the tedious day; There sate all desolate, and sighed alone, With echoing sorrows made the mountains groan. And roll’d his eyes o’er all the restless main, Till, dimmed with rising grief, they streamed again."

5."The killer of Argus, the gods’ great messenger, said these words and left. The regal nymph Calypso, once she heard Zeus’s message, went away to find  great-hearted Odysseus. She met him on the shore, sitting by the sea, his eyes always full of tears,  because he was squandering his sweet life, mourning for his return. The nymph no longer gave him joy. At night he slept beside her in the hollow cave, as he was forced to do—not of his own free will, though she was keen enough. But in the daylight hours he’d sit down on the rocks along the beach, his heart straining with tears and groans and sorrow, as he gazed, through his tears, over the restless sea."

6. "The strong god glittering left her as he spoke, and now her ladyship, having given heed to Zeus’s mandate, went to find Odysseus in his stone seat to seaward—tear on tear brimming in his eyes. The sweet days of his life time were running out in anguish over his exile, for long ago the nymph had ceased to please. Though he fought shy of her and her desire, he lay with her each night, for she compelled him. But when day came he sat on the rocky shore and broke his own heart groaning, with eyes wet scanning the bare horizon of the sea."

Every translation I can find, says Odysseus was NOT WILLING to sleep with her, but SHE FORCED HIM. Now, tell me, dear reader: If Odysseus was the woman and Calypso was the man, what would we immediately call this? Oh, that's right. RAPE. That's RAPE. But far, far too often, I see posts claiming Odysseus doesn't deserve Penelope because she was faithful to him, while he slept with Circe (who he was COERCED to do so with) and Calypso (who RAPED him).

Now, onto the lyrics. These lyrics. I hate these lyrics so much that they put my disgust and disdain for "There Are Other Ways" TO SHAME. First verse, not so iffy, but the Chorus? OH, I HATE THIS CHORUS.

[CALYPSO] And if I pushed you Or if I came on too strong Or if I ambushed you For that, I'll say I was wrong And if you hate me Then I am sorry my love's too much for you But I'm not sorry for loving you

"Came on too strong"? "TOO STRONG"?! Calypso RAPED him and these lyrics downplay so hard what she did to him. Then she goes, "Well, if you hate me, I'm sorry my love's too much for you to handle." EXCUSE ME? That is so MANIPULATIVE that it makes my stomach curl. I've had toxic platonic relationships and this is a COMMON TACTIC. Instead of acknowledging, the abuse is downplayed as just Calypso was being a bit clingy or too forward with her feelings, surprising Odysseus, rather than her sexually assaulting the poor man and if he hates her, well he just couldn't handle her, so it's his fault. She just loved him sooooo much, so she doesn't have to be apologize for that. EUGH.

Onto the next verse!

[ODYSSEUS] Calypso

[CALYPSO] Let me speak I spent my whole life here Was cast away when I was young Alone for a hundred years I had no friends but the sky and sun So when you washed ashore I thought for sure that you were my dream come true I thought I knew

So before Odysseus can even get a word in edgewise, she cuts him off. She doesn't let him say ANYTHING about how he felt about what she did to him before she starts telling him how awful her life was before he washed up on her island. That's also a manipulation tactic: Look, my life was so sad and it was just awful before you came into my life and you made it so much better, so doesn't it excuse my actions and the harm I caused you? NO. NO, IT DOES NOT.

Onto the last part (I'm cutting the Ensemble because it's just repeating her lines):

[CALYPSO] I'm not sorry I'm angry and tired and restless and sad I'm stuck in the moments I swore that we had I wish you would chase me Or try to embrace me For once, I wish you would lie and say

[ODYSSEUS] I love you

[CALYPSO] You do?

[ODYSSEUS] But not in the way that you want me to

[CALYPSO] I hate that I fell in love with you Why did I fall in love with you? What do I do with this love for you? How am I supposed to get over you? Why in the world won't you love me too?

In the verse, she says "I wish you would chase me, or try to embrace me. For once, I wish you would lie and say" which is Calypso acknowledging that she knows Odysseus doesn't love her and never has. He was kind to her and never lied to her about how he felt, but she used her feelings and his kindness to pursue her wants and desires over Odysseus's health and happiness.

Then, Odysseus finally tells her what she wants to hear, but he admits that it's not how she wants. He loves her as a friend or as someone who helped him when he was at his lowest, but he does not view her as a romantic partner. She gets angry, but it's that last line that makes me so furious. "Why in the world won't you love me too?"

Odysseus was raped. He was violated. His consent was thrown out the window and he was still polite to her; the person that took away his consent nightly to the point that he would sit on the beach EVERY DAY and cry, just wishing he could GO HOME where he can feel SAFE. And Calypso can't even comprehend that she harmed him so badly that he was wasting away from the grief and pain. She just complains that he won't love her back and it sucks.

"I'm Not Sorry For Loving You"? SHE SHOULD BE, BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T LOVE HIM ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT HIM. Loving someone, really loving someone, means you care about that person and even if it emotionally hurts you because you know they won't love you in the way you want, you still want them to be happy and you do what you can to be a positive influence in their life, without trodding on their agency. You may not agree with their choices, but you still are kind and respectful, and you don't use your feelings as an excuse to force your wants/will on them or harm them.

TLDR: Calypso is Odysseus's rapist and "I'm Not Sorry For Loving You" is an abusive, manipulative song that isn't a proper apology to him in any sense of the word. It shows that, above all else, while Calypso says she loves Odysseus, she still values herself and her feelings over him.

#epic: the musical #i'm not sorry for loving you #odysseus was a victim #i will die on this hill #men can be victims too #calypso SHOULD be sorry #calypso #odysseus #odysseusxpenelope #odysseus loves his wife #tw sa #tw rape #tw abuse #odysseus of ithaca #jorge rivera herrans #epic the musical calypso #epic: the musical i'm not sorry for loving you

[mafaldaknows]

The media is being pressured to #believewomen or risk being automatically canceled for misogyny even though the women exploiting this fact have no problem with their own pernicious misandry.

#los angeles magazine #amber heard #johnny depp #armie hammer #elizabeth chambers #house of effie #liz lies #smear campaign #lies #false accusations #men can be victims too #support armie hammer

[wronggalaxy]

We need to talk about the absolutely shitty way male presenting people are treated when raped, especially when it was a female presenting person who did it.

1) Most feminists need to shut up about how they "support male rape victims when men don't". If your support doesn't start until the rape happens, it's not support. If you only put support line cards in women's spaces, it's not support. If you always use she/her pronouns for victims and he/him for abusers, it's not support.

2) It's a lot harder for people presenting as men to come out about being assaulted because of the way they're sexualized, the lack of emotional support they receive, and the idea that all men are big and strong and aggressive.

3) All though female presenting people aren't taken nearly serious enough when raped, it's much easier for them to make it seem like their victim was the abuser than you think it is. Even when the victim is a child and the abuser an adult.

4) If a little girl starts sexualizing herself or others it's more likely people will recognize the signs of assault than if a little boy does.

And a billion other things to.

And BTW, I'm an AFAB female presenting genderqueer feminist who has been sexually assaulted by boys(my age and older), so don't even try and tell me it's just my gender or sex or political beliefs or lack of experience clouding my judgment. I know what I'm talking about.

#r@pe tw #sa trauma #sa trigger warning #sa tw #gender neutral language #victim #men can be victims too #women can be abusers too

[star-rug-64]

To male victims of abuse

You are valid

Don't let others put you down just because you're a man.

You did not deserve to be abused; do not believe those who think you do.

You are wonderful, and you deserve a lot of love and good encouragement.

Don't let the Radfems get to you; they just want to promote negativity.

What happened to you matters. Don't believe people who say what happened to you is meaningless.

💙 You are amazing! and you deserve to be loved! :) 💙

Dewgong gif is from Pokémon credit to Nintendo and Game Freak

#male abuse victims #radfem dni #anti radfem #male victims #support victims #men can be victims too #male survivors #mens mental health

[raritysmilemob]

How much do you wanna bet radical "feminists" are aware of this, but completely ignore it anyway? -.-

#anti radical feminism #anti feminism #anti feminist and proud #radfems are dumb #feminism #equality for all #bring back equality #men can be victims too

[aaron-scissorhands]

"You don't really care about male abuse victims"

Of course I do. I care about Terry Crews, Ray Fisher, Anthony Rapp, Roberto Cavazos, Daniel Beal, Harry Dreyfuss, Tony Montana, Kris Nixton, Steven Hicks, Steven Tuomi, Anthony Sears, Tony Hughes, James Doxtator, Richard Guerrero, Raymond Smith, Edward Smith, Ernest Miller, David Thomas, Curtis Straughter, Eroll Lindsey, Konerack Sinthasomphone, Matthew Turner, Jeremiah Weinberg, Oliver Lacy, Joseph Bradehoft, Tony Enos, Brian Sands, Jimmy Bennett, Aaron Taylor Johnson, Brenden Fraser, Ioan Gruffued.. and Johnny Depp. Do you?

#i stand with johnny depp #justice for johnny depp #johnny depp is a survivor #johnny depp is innocent #amber heard is a liar #anti amber heard #amber heard is an abuser #men can be victims too #men too #abuse has no gender

[antoxtrr]

it never stops, she never goes away.

"you know, you should really accept her apology..."

#art #vent #digital art #tw vent #vent art #ventcore #tw trauma #tw cocsa #tw abuse #tw sa implied #tw sa vent #tw child abuse #tw manipulation #men can be victims too #traumacore

[afxckingdaydream]

UNFOLLOW IF YOURE AN AMBER HEARD SUPPORTER AND GO FUCK YOURSELVES

IF YOU CALL YOURSELF A FEMINIST AND THINK MEN CANT BE VICTIMS OF ABUSE AND JUST BELIEVE AMBER BECAUSE SHES A WOMAN, YOU ARE NO FEMINIST. FEMINISM IS FOR EVERYONE. FUCK YALL

I MEAN- SHE LITERALLY POSED FOR A PICTURE ON THE STAND AND WAS FAKE CRYING FOR IT. HOW DO PEOPLE BELIEVE HER BULLSHIT?

#amber heard is an abuser #amber turd #amber heard #johnny depp #i stand with johnny depp #men can be victims too #women can be abusers too #feminism #feminist #equailty #equal

[sometimes-men-need-help-too]

Gender should never be the reason why you believe or not believe someone 

#mens rights #anti misandry #misandry #male victims #male abuse #male victims of abuse #men can be victims too #abuse against men #abuse is abuse

[egalitarianchica]

Reminder that grown women sexualizing underage/barely legal males is as disgusting and wrong as grown men sexualizing underage/barely legal females.

#anti misandry #anti map #anti abuse #men can be victims too

[lizajane3]

Men who are going through domestic violence and have gone through it, should not be shamed for being victims. Isn’t equality something women strive for? Give the same amount of energy if it was a woman. That’s all I’m saying.

#justice for johnny depp #johnny depp #men’s mental health #men can be victims too #mental health

[lady-rhaesnow]

On this blog we stand with Johnny Depp because we recognize that men can be victims of domestic violence to.

#justice for johnny depp #Johnny Depp #men can be victims too

[fr3nchtoastcrunch]

Whenever you feel stupid, remember that there are people who defended Amber Heard. And if you still feel stupid after that, remember that most of them still do.

Daithi De Nogla said it best:

"Amber Heard is guilty. She's a massive bitch, cunt, slag, whore, sleazebag, husband-beater, liar, manipulator [...] straight from the pits of Hell, bitch."

#johnny depp #amber heard #men can be victims too #women can be abusers too #daithi de nogla #vanossgaming #i got banned from twitter for putting that nogla quote word for word and asking why he didnt get cancelled #but terroriser did for something his gf said #twitter is fucking stupid #the gaming terroriser

[kookmins-ringfinger]

JOHNNY DEPP WON 🥳❤ TRUTH WINS 💓JUSTICE IS SERVED 💓

NOT JIKOOK RELATED BUT...

I’m so glad the jury saw what we saw and knew JohnnyDepp was innocent. No matter if you are a man or women, always STATE. YOUR. TRUTH!

#johnny depp #justice for johnny depp #justice is served #johnny won #let me get a mega pint of wine #johnny is innocent #captain jack sparrow #johnny is strong man #men too #i hate fake feminists #i am sure bts would have supported johnny depp too #innocent until proven guilty #men can be victims too #men can be abused too #women can be abusers too #amber turd #amber is a liar #free johnny #amber heard is trash #amber heard is a psychopath #amber heard is an abuser #domestic voilence