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traincat · 4 years

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This has been on my mind for a while, but I'm curious what you think about it. So Johnny met a lot if not most of the other heroes when he was like 16 or 17 right? (I know with the sliding timescale and w/e but still he was a kid) So a lot of these heroes basically watched Johnny grow up. What do you think are the implications of that, if any? What would you like to see?

The sliding timescale holds in this regard -- Johnny met a majority of Marvel’s foundational Silver Age superheroes, like the Hulk, the founding Avengers, Daredevil, Spider-Man, etc, when he was about 16. There have been a couple of attempts to retcon it so that he was older when he got his powers in 616 but none of them have ever held. I think part of this is that it’s fairly essential for Johnny’s 616 characterization that he did come into superheroing very young and that he was very much the only (confirmed) young teenager in a group of adults. You have figures like Rick Jones and Peter Parker as teens in the landscape as well but I would argue Rick’s status as an orphan who had to take care of himself because no one else would gives him a maturity earlier in life than Johnny, and with Peter -- I think it’s fair to suggest that several people suspected/knew Peter was a teenager but Spider-Man’s anonymity and loner status granted him a sort of reprieve from being judged long term for his youthfulness, and Peter is someone else who was forced to grow up fast, having to be Aunt May’s caretaker when she’s ill, having to earn the family money, etc. Plus at an established 5′10″ at the beginning of his career, it’s unlikely he physically appeared childish in a full body costume. I think it was easy, barring a certain amount of interaction with Peter that screamed “obnoxious teen” in the early days, to mistake him for an adult. You also have the X-Men, but they’re very much their own group comprised of teenagers, with a certain amount of distance from the rest of the world. So Johnny is really the “baby” figure -- he’s the one most in the public eye while simultaneously the one most capable of being able to cling to some remnants of childhood, because unlike Peter, he’s with other people on a team, and unlike the X-Men, he’s with adults who feel a familial sense of responsibility towards him. So you have this really interesting space with Johnny where he’s kind of the only former teen superhero of his age group who’s position in the landscape allowed him to have at least lingering remnants of a childhood after he got his powers. On paper that’s a good thing, but I think it’s also been a disadvantage in how people treat Johnny even long after he stopped being a teenager.

And I definitely do think that’s something we see in the canon landscape and in how other characters treat Johnny. This is a big component in the fact that a lot of other heroes don’t take Johnny seriously. Johnny, for all his accomplishments in the field, tends to be viewed as immature and irresponsible, someone who’d rather be joking around than saving the day, and I do think that’s something that comes from the fact that a lot of these people first encountered him as a teenager and, from the outside view of the Fantastic Four’s dynamic, a sheltered, spoiled one at that. I think there’s always going to be a view of Johnny as someone who hasn’t earned his powers, who is a show-off with them, who takes nothing seriously, who is honestly childish. Who, despite the enormous capacity for his powers to be destructive and the incredible amount of control we as readers know Johnny possesses, is not someone to be viewed as a genuine threat or asset. It’s not something that I think we necessarily need to see more of, because it’s very much already there in a lot of the text when you see how other characters who aren’t in the Fantastic Four (and who aren’t Spider-Man) interact with and treat Johnny.

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lanfibio · 3 years

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A Johnny commission I made some time ago for @mishatheberry spideytorch fic Once Again For The First Time [link]

It was so fun working on his outfit!!

#thanks again for commissioning me :''D #johnny storm #commissions #if you haven't read the fic yet go read it!!!!!#It was so fun creating this outfit based on the fic description :DDDD

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goldkirk · 4 years

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Hi, do you have any recs for someone who doesn’t know how to get into like the bat fam comics wise but still wants to read fic? Would the Wikipedia pages work? Thanks !

Hi friend!!! I absolutely do! (These are only fics that I’ve personally found and read, of course, but they’re great and I think you’ll like them!)

I really, really recommend starting with @audreycritter’s Cor Et Cerebrum series. It’s unparalleled. I actually started reading them with Developmental Milestones, the one centered around Audrey’s OC, Dr. Devabhaktuni, and that’s how I initially fell in love with him and the Batfam as a whole. There is a LOT of content here for you to sink into and wrap yourself in like a blanket burrito, and then Audrey has even MORE that’s also excellent that isn’t in this particular series. So good.

one shot, two shots in the night by discowing is an amazing story wherein Bruce gets it in his head to write a (heavily edited) autobiography, and there’s a LOT of introspection and reflection on family and his kids and everyone’s relationships. It’s absolutely beautiful, and a delight, and funny. also 10/10 Holy Musical, Batman reference in the title haha

The Ol’ Switcheroo by @autumnhobbit, aside from having a delightful name, is a GLORIOUS look at the dynamic between Tim and Damian, after Damian takes a bullet meant for Tim at a public event. Great portrayal of every single family member, honestly, and all their various sibling and parent-child dynamics. Bonding and angst and comfort and just lovely.

The Problem With Galas series, by MashpotatoeQueen5. These are all GREAT fics. They’re unique and well thought out premises, all taking place at galas various Waynes are at. The characters are beautifully analyzed and taken apart with great characterization while ALSO including backstory mentions that are helpful if you’re a newer reader. Even if you don’t know most of the characters or backstory plot points, you can pick some up from reading this, and at the very least you get a great feel for what their personalities are and what makes them tick, you know?

Juneberries, by @mishatheberry. Kidnapping! Sibling bonding! Found family revelations! Dramatic escapes and injuries etc. etc. and lots of comfort and feelings at the end! Very worthwhile read. Main dynamic focused on here is Tim and Damian, and how they get closer and really bond as ride-or-die brothers. Whole family is portrayed fantastically, though, and the plot is *kisses fingers like italian chef meme*

Bet Your Bottom Dollar, by @jerseydevious. Listen. Listen. Please heed the warnings on this one, but oh geez. This is SUCH a good look at Dick and Bruce’s characters, and how they deal with trauma, and such a good portrayal of the aftereffects of trauma (at least. one way of experiencing the aftereffects, anyway), and it’s so raw and good and beautiful and UGH so good. Great father-son dynamic, and a great portrayal of Dick having not just happy feelings. He feels things strongly, and that means everything, and he can’t just always be okay even if he looks like it on the outside.

Liminal Space by Calamityjim. This is Tim-centric and it’s an AU but it’s within just another DC universe basically and holy MOLY. HOLY MOLY. Listen Tim is very messed up at the beginning of this and Good Bruce is like I’m gonna help this kid if it kills me, and it’s a FANTASTIC portrayal of the personalities of every one of Bruce’s boys and who Bruce is as a person. SUCH good characterization. And all the side characters are amazing too! The plot is fantastic! Found family like whoa! It’s JUST REALLY NEAT OKAY a true delight

The wikis are absolutely very helpful for anything you’re confused about or if you feel like you’re missing some information. Treat the Batfam content a lot like a choose-your-own-adventure game and you’ll have plenty of fun!

I hope you have fun reading!!!

#batfam #dc

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traincat · 4 years

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Fic Author Tag Game

AO3 Name: Traincat

Fandoms: Currently it’s fairly exclusively Fantastic Four and Spider-Man comics, particularly the 616-verse, with some works for related fandoms.

Number of fics: 102 posted on Ao3.

Tagging @bipeteparker @moonwolfhowl @mishatheberry

1) Fic you spent the most time on: The Boy From New York City, my The Amazing Spider-Man/Fant4stic Spideytorch movieverse fic, definitely. I started it in 2015 and posted it in late 2018. A lot of that wasn’t active writing time -- I wrote about 50k of its 80k wordcount in 2018. But it was a fic that I spent a lot of time on and a lot of energy devoted to, trying to figure out what the best way to tell the story was, playing with different point of views, what the actual plot was going to be, what I wanted it to say, and that’s not counting the amount of times I watched TASM/2 and Fant4stic to try and nail down everything just how I wanted it. Andrew Garfield’s Peter Parker speech patterns are SUPER specific and I wanted to get them DOWN. I also wanted things to play out in a very cinematic way, like a third installment of The Amazing Spider-Man movies. So a lot of time went into that fic.

2) Fic you spent the least time on: To Have and to Hold, an Into the Spider-Verse fic about May Parker and Olivia Octavius getting married, much to Peter’s distress. I think I wrote it in like a day.

3) Longest fic: The Boy From New York City, at 84,500 words.

4) Shortest fic: wrap yourself around me, a really short Spideytorch clothes sharing fic. It’s under 500 words.

5) Most hits: The Masked Man (Who Has Everything), an X-Men: First Class Erik/Charles fic I wrote back in 2011 to answer a very important question on the old LJ kink meme: what if Magneto was Batman? It has like, almost 75,000 hits, so. That was an easy one lol.

6) Most kudos: It’s also The Masked Man (Who Has Everything), so my second most kudosed fic is Keep Throwing Things and Slamming the Door, one of my first Spideytorch fics.

7) Most comment threads: To Have and to Hold again! Which is kind of nice since it’s relatively new. It did get some pretty big recs though so I’m not all that surprised.

8) Fave fic you wrote: Oh that’s a tough one. I have a couple of favorites -- I really like the fics in my Tales From the Back Pages series, which is a Spideytorch soulmates AU that plays with the very early days of canon and reimagines it within a world where soulmates are a known phenomenon and Peter and Johnny are each other’s. It’s fun to take canon events that are really familiar and go, what do they look like in this world where everything is the same but also there’s this one really big difference? The Boy From New York City again because I worked on it for so long and at the end I pushed myself really hard to make it exactly what I wanted it to be and I’m really proud of the end result. It’s also one of those fics where I feel like writing it made me a better writer ultimately because I was pushing myself so hard to be like, worthy of what it was in my head. Work Song, which is a Spideytorch canon rewrite of the aftermath of Superior Spider-Man. Another one where I feel like I learned a lot by writing it and where I’m really proud of the end result, even if I did have to read all of Superior Spider-Man to write it. Cat's Cradle, a Spider-Man PS4 Peter/Felicia fic about their maybe-baby from the DLC, because I really loved writing that fic. Night Blooms, a Victor Von Doom/Reed Richards fic based around Reed’s connection to the alternate universe Victor from Marvel Two-In-One (2017) #11, because canon gave me so much to work with there and because it was a Yuletide fic for @portwinestains where I knew I could give her exactly what she wanted and I just went for it. Writing that one was a blast and I got to dig into such a rich canon relationship. It was fantastic, even if while I had to like, try and subtly find out how much infidelity Aysha was cool with without letting her know what I was doing.

And then there’s Hands On where I like, REALLY wanted to be the first person to write Spideytorch smut featuring six arm Spider-Man. And I was. And weirdly that genre of fic hasn’t taken off? Look, you just need to keep very detailed notes for yourself about where all eight hands involved are.

9) Fic you want to rewrite/expand on: There are a couple! They’re expansions, not rewrites. I don’t think I have anything finished that I feel I would want to rewrite from scratch. I have a third installment of my fairy tale series, The Spider Prince and the Morning Star, where the idea is like very fresh in my head right now so I’ve been playing with that a lot. The first two fics in the series are Spideytorch, but this one is a MYSTERY pairing. (It’s not that big of a mystery. It’s pretty easy to guess what it’s going to be based on the end of the second fic.) And there’s a lot of stuff from The Boy From New York City where it was like, I had ideas about where I COULD go with things, if I wanted to. The Boy From New York City is very much Peter’s story, very much The Amazing Spider-Man 3, so I think there is a lot of space to go forward that would be more focused on Johnny. But on the other hand I do think a lot about a fic that takes The Amazing Spider-Man 2′s deleted alternate ending and asks the question, what if instead of meeting his father in the graveyard, Peter met the sixteen-year-old sister he never knew he had? And I don’t know how many people want TASM fic about what Teresa Parker would be like in that universe but you know. I kind of do.

10) Share a bit of your WIP or share a story idea that you’re planning: PeterFlash 2020! I’m working on it. It got long and I wanted to play with canon, what else is new.

“You were always stuck up,” Flash grunted, lying down on a flat stretch of rock. It was freezing cold, leaching the heat through Flash’s jacket and jeans, but it felt good at the same time. “And you made Liz cry.”

“I didn’t make Liz Allan cry,” Peter snorted, rolling his eyes.

“You did, though,” Flash said, closing his eyes. He probably shouldn’t have said that, he knew. Liz wouldn’t have liked it. But Peter had made her sob until the cuffs of her pink sweater had been wet with her tears and Flash had just had to stand there and take it, unable to make it better as badly as he had wanted to, all because stupid Peter Parker was too thick to see that Liz was the best thing in their entire school. “She really liked you and you just ignored her.”

“I was busy,” Peter said. Flash cracked open an eye; Peter was standing over him, staring down at him with a quizzical expression on his face, like Flash was one of his fancy complicated math problems, only Peter had never had a hard time solving those.

Warmth spread from Flash’s stomach right down to his toes with the idea that he was the kind of problem even Peter Parker might have trouble solving.

“We were all busy,” Flash said, shrugging. “We all had stuff. Doesn’t mean you had to ignore everybody else.”

“I wanted to be liked,” Peter admitted, sitting down crosslegged next to Flash. He had a funny kind of look on his face, his brows knit together fiercely. He was going to have a wrinkle there in a couple of years, probably. Butterflies lit up in Flash’s stomach, trying to imagine it.

“You had a funny way of showing it,” Flash said.

“Yeah, yeah,” Peter grumbled, stretching out next to him. He put his arms behind his head, looking for all the world like he was sunning himself even though it was November and practically freezing already. “What are you gonna do now?”

“I don’t know,” Flash admitted, trying not to stare down at him. It wasn’t like Peter would ever know, though – his eyes were closed. “Get a job, I guess.”

“Flash Thompson, working man,” Peter whistled.

“Don’t strain something not being a jackass, Parker, you’ve gone a whole five minutes,” Flash said, rolling his eyes. “It’s not like I’ve got a choice. Can’t stay in school without that scholarship and it’s not like I can go home.”

Peter cracked one eye open. Something about his eyes had always made Flash’s stomach go funny; they were the warmest brown he’d ever seen, flecked with gold, and they shone on those rare occasions when Peter laughed. But usually they looked how they looked now: filled with suspicion, and just a touch of scorn.

“You can’t go home?” he asked.

#myfic #*replies #long post/

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