#ml rambles

[nervousbelieverstarfish]

Last night I dreamt about Hawkmoth giving Ladybug parenting advices

#why brain why #why would you think that #miraculous ladybug #ladybug #hawkmoth #he's not even a good parent to his own son #ml rambles

[sofilandstuff]

after determination I'm accepting that headcanon that adrien broke his wings in simpleman just so he will have an excuse to see marinette

#ml spoilers #ml determination #he was prob like #i want to see marinette #whay do i want to see her?? mm oh well better brake my wings and call her to come fix them ! yap that's a plan! #ml rambles #rambles

[dedahblog]

About Nathalie and Lila's hostility

I want to talk about a moment in Ladybug episode that is often disregarded

When Adrien ordered Lila to lie for Marinette's sake,

she responded : "Why would I do that?"

When you think about it, she is right.

What can Adrien really do ?

I can only think about two options :

1) Tell people on set that she is a liar

Something that he would never do.

Not because he's not brave, he just doesn't trust people enough and doesn't expect them to stand by him when in trouble.

and Lila would have everyone wrapped around her little finger anyway.

2) Oppose his father

something that he clearly wants to but can't since he is a sentimonster.

That's why Lila looked at Nathalie before answering him.

Nathalie is aware that Adrien is unhappy with the aftermaths of their failed plan with Lila, she knows how important Marinette is to him.

That's why she insisted on going with him to his and lila's photoshoot, probably behind Gabriel's back.

She is there to remind Lila that whatever were Adrien's conditions, Lila has to cooperate.

and Lila is aware that the only who can convince Gabriel to drop her is Nathalie.

It was already proven since the first episode how much Nathalie's opinion is taken into consideration, she is the one who convinced Gabriel to let Adrien go to school.

Moreover, we were reminded in the Ladybug episode about how much influence she has on him and how much he trusts her judgment.

Just how he looked at her during this scene when Adrien begged him to let him go to Marinette's birthday party.

Should I let him go to his friend's birthday or be a stick ass as usual ?

Let him go, my bitch I mean Sir

... both legit "okay you can go"

It kinda of explain why Lila was happy to see Nathalie basically in agony in season 4 finale.

Nathalie is the one who didn't let her expell Marinette from school

There is nothing Adrien could do for Marinette if Nathalie didn't help him.

#nathalie sancoeur #ml ladybug #lila rossi #ml rambles #kind of gabenath #I was as excited as anyone about Adrien growling at Lila but in reality all he can get is a 'you tried' star #well he did the dirty work that's all he could do #the Gabriel side in Adrien is the most interesting aspect of his character #ml analysis

[anna-scribbles]

every time adrien agreste’s design gets stupider i get stronger. and baby i’m becoming more powerful by the day

#BIG day for annoying people with excellent taste(me) #ml #anna rambles #ml paris #ml paris spoilers

[kindaorangey]

miraculous ladybug is a hotbed of whiplash between extremely hard-hitting show-don't-tell writing and expositing-the-point-directly-into-the-camera writing. like the show is constructed so the basic plot can be understood by 6 year olds but then you'll randomly have a scene during a timeskip that shows adrien's room in a depression-induced mess after he quits modelling and it will never be addressed as such but it will neatly convey the disruption to his mental state that a lack of routine causes him. and u just have to deal with both of those things side by side constantly😭

#ml #thunder rambles #not tagging this as sug@r or s@lt because it is firmly neither. i love the show and i am calling it like i see it #edit: why did this blow up overnight. anyway shut up about zag and astruc in the tags i do not care

[sizzleissues]

When Chloe says something duuumbbbbbb - the girlfriends give each other the ‘look’

Sketch so i don’t forget how to draw. My style is glitching the fuck out atm. Also like what is anatomy my portfolio is suffering

#sizzle rambles #miraculous ladybug #miraculous fanart #ml fanart #marinette dupain cheng #alya cesaire #alyanette #sizzle sketches

[crizztelcb]

The miraculous ladybug fandom is missing out by not giving ladybug fangs, you're telling me she's the personification of an animal that is often a HUNTER and you won't give her fangs? I can't live in a world that doesn't has ladybug with pointy teeth!

#miraculous ladybug #mlb #miraculous #crizztel rambling #ml fandom #mlb fandom #ladybug #miraculous lb

[buggachat]

To be clear, I goddamn hated the finale on first watch. I was withering in my seat. My heart had dropped to my stomach. I had no fucking idea what I was watching in that final scene lmao

and then Adrien said "when Ladybug gave me the rings—" and I was like— wait. LADYBUG? LADYBUG STILL EXISTS?

I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE TIMELINE HAD BEEN REWRITTEN 😭😭😭😭 I THOUGHT LADYBUG AND CHATN OIR DIDNT UFCKING EXIST uNTIL ADRIEN SAID THAT I WAS SO SO SO SCARED

and then I realized, oh wait. This isn't a complete utopian timeline rewrite. This is just a timeskip of a few months and Mme Bustier is just a kickass mayor. In fact, she's only mayor BECAUSE it's still the same timeline. And then I realized, hey, wait, if they didn't rewrite the timeline, then how tf is Emilie casually there with no questions?

And then I realized she was wearing black. And Félix was there. And I remembered Amelie exists.

Basically, I went into the finale chanting to myself "it's okay, it's okay... they probably wont bring Emilie back... they probably won't rewrite the entire timeline permanently.... right? please....", even though I didn't actually expect it to happen, but just because I was terrified that it could. And apparently that fear actually got to me so much that I misinterpreted the episode as being everything I didn't want it to be... when... it actually wasn't that at all

anyway, all of this is to say, everything in the episode happens so fast that it confused and terrified me at first. And when I realized what had happened, my opinion went from "my year is ruined" to "oh. well. okay. kind of disappointing, I guess". And then I kept thinking about it, and the ending, and all that is set up and rewatching the scenes and all the loose ends still in place and.... i realized I loved it?

like, every time I think about this finale, I love it more. every time i rewatch a scene, I get a little obsessed. this episode went from my nightmare to actually really really cool to me, and I'm still kind of reeling from it

Basically, this is why I've been kind of passionately defending the finale— not because I think people who don't like it are """dumb""" or anything, I don't blame people at all for that, and I totally get the confusion. I was confused too. And I know I'm not the only one who went in preparing themselves for the worst, or went in with very specific expectation on what will happen, because this finale has been long awaited for so long. I think everyone was shocked with how it ended. I think most people probably startled at Amelie's face (it's so easy to forget she exists....)

Anyways, I started this post basically as an apology for if I seem too aggressive or defensive about the finale. Because I get it! I get hating it! I get being disappointed or frustrated or confused! Part of why I'm so defensive is because I have all the arguments so ready on the tip of my tongue because I had the very same argument with myself already 😭 So I'm sorry if any of my posts came off as too aggressive and in advance for any future posts that might. I promise promise promise I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad for having bad opinions on the finale! I just think this episode is really cool and the fact I related to a lot of the nay-sayers makes it easy to feel so impassioned about it.

But this post is getting off the rails and I'm just gonna let it, because some of my regrets w my participation in fandom is that I find myself chickening out of actually talking about my thoughts on episodes a lot. I get kind of overwhelmed and overthink everything after I've posted it and I'm a shy person. But my inbox is closed and this is the season 5 finale and I want to ramble and ramble so I will allow myself this

Basically, I went in with some very specific expectations for this episode. We all know about the Hawkmoth defeat story. Many of us have read it in fics over and over again, it was teased in Chat Blanc, we all know what we expect, we all know our favorite beats from it.

And what actually happened....... met virtually none of those beats. (For me, at least).

Like, Adrien wasn't there for the final episode. At all. He was completely absent from the confrontation. He never found out his father was Hawkmoth. He got his rings, but he never found out he was a sentimonster. He is living in the dark.

Ladybug confronted Monarch... alone. Which is sad, when so much of the series is dedicated to the partnership of her and Chat Noir. Them against the world....... and Monarch was "defeated" with nary a Chat Noir in sight.

The whole entire "Gabriel is known as a hero" thing. I don't think anybody was expecting that. Absolutely shocking.

The fact Marinette would lie to Adrien like that. The fact she's keeping so much from him. The fact everyone is. SO MANY people in Adrien's life (Marinette, Plagg, Nathalie, Felix, Amelie, Kagami, probably Alya, maybe more I'm not thinking of....) are just... lying to him, now. He is so in the dark. He knows nothing.

But.........

I kind of like that I didn't predict nearly any of this. I like that it caught me off guard. I love how this show just completely baffles me at every turn, how it will present concepts and ideas to me that I've never read a fic about.

In retrospect, Chat Noir being absent from the final battle... makes sense. It actually makes a lot of sense, if I think about it, because... there is only one possible way that could've gone, right? Chat Noir would not be allowed to have the emotional implosion that he would have to have. This is devastating. This is SO devastating. This is the entire shattering of Adrien's entire world we're talking about, and Chat Blanc is the only real way for that to end. Adrien has an emotional implosion in front of Monarch, he gets akumatized, it turns into an emotion explosion, extinction event. The end. We've already seen it.

And........ even if it didn't end that way, even if he managed to avoid akumatization...... how could the finale satisfyingly end on that note? How could it end in any semblance of a "wrapped up" way, at the very start of Adrien's emotional breakdown? It couldn't. I wouldn't WANT it to. In retrospect, Adrien finding out his dad is Monarch and then.... what? The season ends on a close-up of him crying? The season ends with a time-skip to the new school year where they skipped his entire grieving period!? I would HATE that, actually. I would hate that. I thought I wanted it, but I would hate it. I would hate it so so so much.

What's kind of amazing is that the finale ended with Monarch being defeated.... but Adrien still has those realizations to make. He still has those betrayals to come to terms with. There is time for him to make these realizations, for him to come to these conclusions, perhaps one at a time, perhaps in a more controlled environment.... and that gets me far, far more excited for the seasons to come than an episode that tried to wrap it all up in the last 5 minutes.

Also, the reason Adrien didn't go to the final battle was because he feared becoming Chat Blanc. He didn't know the truth to it, didn't understand that literally, yes, that's what would have happened if he was there, even if he hadn't been under a nightmare curse. But he still knew. He still expected it. He willingly chose to sit it out, no matter how much he hated it, because he knew. And there's something kind of powerful to that, I think, of Adrien making a choice that is so unequivocally the Correct choice, even more than he realized. And the strength it took for him to make that decision...... damn.

As for the lies and the Gabriel statue? I... it's upsetting, but it's supposed to be. And I believe it. I absolutely believe it. I 10000% believe Marinette would keep the secret of Monarch's identity to herself to try to save Adrien the pain. I 10000% believe that the population could easily be led to believe a famous billionaire is a hero. I 10000% believe that Adrien would WANT to believe it. I 10000% believe Tomoe would take advantage of it.

And I can't wait to see that illusion crumble.

Also.... this is the beginning of The Lila arc.

And the Lila arc begins on........ Marinette telling the biggest, boldest face lie she ever told. The Lila arc begins on the most extreme city-wide illusion we've ever seen. It begins on such a huge fabrication and....

..... it's Marinette's lie.

............ and Lila knows that it's a lie.

I'm

!!?!?!?!

This is so fucking cool???? The irony here??? the deceit???? All these loose ends, all the possible confrontations, all the ways this could GO. I don't know where the show is taking this, obviously, because nobody ever can predict where this show is going apparently (and I love it for that), but oh my god. I'm imagining all the fics I could read about this. all the fics I could write. all the thoughts and scenarios that this finale has provided me with to daydream about as I go to sleep.

Adrien, going through the motions of life. Looking up to his father as a hero, despite the fact the last time he saw him, Adrien was sobbing, in tears, and cursing his name. Adrien, after all the abuse he was subject to, having to look up at a statue of his father and...... be forced to think that maybe he was wrong about his father. But he's not wrong. He WASN'T wrong. He just THINKS that he is. His father is going to continue to loom over his life in ways I never expected post-hawkmoth. Adrien's relationship with Gabriel has not ended, a new and terrifying and horrible new chapter of it has simply begun, and Adrien is still as manipulated by his father's ghost as he was by his father himself.

THAT'S. WILD!!!

also, Adrien now believes that MONARCH MURDERED HIS FATHER. Chat Noir now believes that his greatest nemesis KILLED HIS FATHER. CHAT NOIR, resident self-sacrificer, believes that HIS FATHER was a HERO who DIED FIGHTING MONARCH. Adrien thinks that maybe he should be more like his father— more like his father who died in battle. This is. Not Good. For Adrien.

And it's Marinette that started this. Well intentioned Marinette, who doesn't really understand the extent of the horrors. Marinette, Adrien's girlfriend, the person he trusts most. She did this.

And, I mean.... god. I totally get how this sucks for a lot of people, because it's objectively upsetting.... but I LOVE lovesquare tension. Season 4 is probably my favorite season for that reason alone (still mulling over if season 5 beat it for me). I love the relationship drama, I love that it's in character drama, I love how it fits everything we know about them sososo well, I love that it's horrible and it's terrible and it's awful and it's all because Marinette loved Adrien too much to want to hurt him.

I was worried no reveal would mean that season 6 would just be... what? adrienette fluff? not that I don't love that, but where's the drama? well. there it is. that's the drama.

I need to stop typing this. I know this is abysmally long and ranty and if you read all of this then I'm sorry. But I wanted to get some of my thoughts out.

But basically, I was expecting a lot of things for the finale.

In my best case scenario, it would somehow, miraculously tie up and address all the loose ends with Adrien's angst and character arc in two episodes.... and then end with me totally satisfied, ready to only half-heartedly watch season 6 like it was just a small dessert after the main course.

And I already described my worst case scenario (my first impression of the episode lmao)

But it wasn't that. I was expecting a series finale, but I got a season finale. And I love season finales. I love how they keep me wanting more. I love how excited I am for season 6, because in both my best and worst case scenarios, I honestly didn't expect to be. I love all the new ideas and thoughts and scenarios swirling around in my brain. And even if season 6 doesn't address some of the things I want addressed, I'm so excited to see the creative content in this fandom that DOES

#ml spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #ml s5 finale spoilers #ml re-creation #ml recreation #recreation spoilers #re-creation spoilers #I am SO SO SO SORRY that htis rant went OFF and I just rambled and rambled and I'm sure nobody will read this. however #sometimes I want to be silly. and my silly moment is rambling about my favorite show into the void on my tumblr #im not proof reading this so im so sorry if it's. um. all over the place and riddled w typos 😭 im vibing im vibing

[aineirisha]

Gabriel Agreste is THE most evil villain in history of villains and history of evilness.

#i hate him #he's a psychopath #seriously no other character is worse than him #ml #miraculous lb #ml rambles #gabriel agreste

[rouchaton]

Luka, when Marinette tells him she likes Chat Noir instead of Adrien

#It's cool it's fine totally cool totally fine #miraculous ladybug #rou rambles #miraculous fandom #adrien agreste #blorbos #chat noir #marichat #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #mlb s5 spoilers #s5 spoilers #ml determination

[car-toons]

She’s still down bad for the Cat, isn’t she…

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #mlb #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #ml spoilers #miraculous spoilers #mlb spoilers #ml deflagration #ladynoir #ladybug #chat noir #but in all seriousness #this scene is STUNNING #the animation was beautiful this episode #car rambles

[dedahblog]

Miraculous Ladybug Is Kind Of Sexist

I was planning on writing something about an aspect I didn't like in ML, then I realised, in order to write salt, you have to actually care about the said show and that was no longer the case for me.

However, I found this video and it really seemed as if this guy read my mind. This obvious misogyny is exactly what I hate about ML.

Then I read the comments and I found unsurprisingly fans missing the point again, they have been brainwashed by the show that always portraya Adrien as a victim so it triggered me to rant a bit about it.

This will be the last time I will ever talk about ML.

.....

I got sick of all that drama around Adrien. He's always portrayed as a pitiful rich boy who needs to be pampered. Even when he's being forceful towards ladybug, the writers always find a way to make the audience feel bad for him.

Then, to make things worse, they turned him to a sentimonster to make him totally immune of any blame.

This show is misoginy at its finest.

Boys are portrayed as poor meow meow who are victimes of their instincts and insecurity. Poor creatures who love too much to the point it can be destructive and girls should just pamper them (Felix, Gabriel, Andre, Adrien in some ways)

It is not only disrespectful to women as it restrains their role as nursing support but it also doesn't respect men as self sufficient individuals

In the same context, the show is fond of making boyfriends act like toddlers and girls being the only proactive members in the relationship. That line about Ivan dreaming about being a malewife and supporting Mylene future's career threw me off

Wtf are you teaching kids ? Isn't Ivan, before being a boy, like ... a kid ? He should have dreams that are not focused around someone else's goals, whoever that person was.

Who gives a f*** if he loves her ? What is Mylene worth in comparison to Ivan's healthy mental independence ?

I didn't even mention how they made adrigamii almost kiss 3 times and being comfortable doing so and that basically meant they kissed out screen

In contrast, Luka and Marinette only attempted once awkwardly and it clearly seemed that they never did that before

It reminds me of sexist stereotypes : if a girl has an intimate relationship with another guy then she is tainted. However, of course, that's not the case for the guy.

Writers keeping the main girl's lips "virgin" for the male lead ... how very progressive for the show that is adamant about girl empowerment. Are you sure ISIS didn't cowrite that shit ?

Last but not least, the fact that the only irredeemable characters in ML happen to be girls is so damn disgusting.

It's that perspective that men are prone to be evil because that's their instinct. You just have to pamper them and make them feel good about themselves.

Woman, however, are either madonna or whores. If they are being evil then no matter how much you advise them, they will never change and they should almost be crucified for it ( Lila and Chloe ... and probably Tomoe in the future )

Anyway end of the rant.

Goodbye ML

#Youtube #ml rambles #ml critical #ml salt

[ninadove]

Thinking about Kagami Tsurugi, who was taught from birth that emotions were a weakness that would make her unworthy of her family crest and of her mother’s love

Thinking about Kagami Tsurugi, who despite her best efforts still feels everything so intensely, making her one of Monarch’s favourite victims

Thinking about Kagami Tsurugi, who was led to believe these strong emotions made her dangerous and inadequate, and who struggled in vain to keep them in check — when the truth was that she craved love so much a simple kiss on the hand was already "too much" for her heart to handle

Thinking about Kagami Tsurugi, who after years of heartbreak and abuse finally found someone just like her, someone who loves her just as fiercely as she loves them and who showed her that she deserved utter adoration and devotion all along

Thinking about Kagami Tsurugi, who has so much love in her heart she built back bridges that had been burnt beyond all hope. Who loves and is loved so much she changed the entire narrative forever.

#miraculous ladybug #kagami tsurugi #felix graham de vanily #argos #feligami #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #adrien agreste #tomoe tsurugi #gabriel agreste #mlb spoilers #mlb representation #ml representation #representation spoilers #random ramblings

[anna-scribbles]

❌i hate adrien agreste❌

#speaking my truth finally #anna rambles #ml

[kindaorangey]

can i be very fucking serious for a second. a marinette villain/antihero arc is something that is not explored nearly enough by the fandom given the entire point of the show is that "she makes a mistake every episode". and yeah, she learns from it slowly and surely, but what if she learned the wrong lessons? she is shown to be constantly struggling between her common sense and her impulses, her responsibility and her vulnerability. what if she blindly followed her gut with the belief that she's doing the right thing? what if she gave into that vulnerability and had to deal with the dire consequences of never picking herself back up again? she and adrien are absolutely evenly matched with how impulsively they can act despite the potentially world-ending consequences of them doing so. i want more dark marinette!

#ml #miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #thunder rambles

[sizzleissues]

I just need to talk about her so much. She’s so cringe fail AHHHHHHHH

SHE’S SO SILLY

LOOK AT HER!!

You can’t tell me she isn’t trying so hard to be so edgy and cool.

I want to know if this is Bad-inette is a result of tragedy or is she just this way because she is. Like so over confident, some hot shot fashion designer from a young age that it inflated her ego and then she got all jaded because she had to pretend her first 14 years had substance

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous fanart #sizzle rambles #marinette dupain cheng #ml paris special #sizzle sketches