#ml wishmaker spoilers

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focusing on luka during this line was a Choice they made.

#luka couffaine #mlb perfection #miraculous ladybug #mlb #this is both a #lukadrien #post #but also a 'something very bad is going to happen to luka couffaine' post #lukanette stans may also relate #it's also funny bc he was silencer lol #i have a Whole essay and this is just one of six scenes i gotta analyze #when's this dub coming hnnnnn #the MELODY TALK THO #no wonder luka read it and was like 'oh fuckin hell yes u listened to me in wishmaker' #mlb season 5 spoilers #ml season 5 spoilers

[lawfullyneutralbee]

Miraculous Awakening Spoilers!

Yuh anyways

The biggest change they did in this movie is honestly giving Gabriel Agreste compassion. BC LITERALLY he gave up the fight the minute he realized he was fighting his son.

Meanwhile in show literally every time he’s realized it’s Adrien:

And they literally just gave him a human reaction, like a good father who actually likes his child reaction. I’m still not over what happened in Wishmaker bc what was

“MY SONN????”

#miraculous ladybug #chat noir #ml spoilers #miraculous awakening #miraculous awakening spoilers #wishmaker #adrien agreste #gabriel agreste

[masternia]

I just KNOW Luka has been going insane since wishmaker til migration

#miraculous ladybug #mlb s5 spoilers #mlb spoilers #luka couffaine #mlb ladynoir #ml adrienette #migration spoilers #wishmaker

[flamedork]

so watching s4 in order is a whole other experience

#highlight episodes stayed highlights #and wishmaker is at the top of the list #miraculous ladybug #ml #ml spoilers #trash talk

[quickspinner]

(you don't have to post this, I know you try to keep things pretty salt-light here) I mean, I'm sure everyone who uses any sort of good reasoning for Luka to not tell Marinette don't really mean it. They have to come up with various reasons because Luka (canonically) has never had a bad one for doing anything for/to Marinette. We all know that the writers want to keep him away from her and they just want someone to help the LS even more. The writers basically admitted that "now he can help both"

This inspired a whole rumination on the nature of salt and my feelings about it that I’m actually going to put in another post. 😂 When I do, please don’t feel guilty about it dear anon, it’s not your fault. 

Anyway just for reference, for new readers or anyone who needs to know, it's not because I’m anti-salt or have anything against salt or because I disagree with salt takes or don't want salt on my blog at all, I just find that too much of it gets depressing for my chemically-imbalanced brain and kills my enthusiasm and ability to create, so I try to keep things a little lighter for my own sanity. 

That being said, let’s engage in a little literary criticism. 😁

I agree with you anon, I think a lot of people had that same confused, stomach-dropping moment I did and had to work backward to get to a place where that would be a reasonable decision, just based on the reactions I saw and the people I talked to when the ep first came out.

However if there ARE people who think that it was the right decision, either immediately or after thinking it through, that's okay, I think that's valid (and I think it is very likely those people exist simply because humans are so wonderfully different). I could see Luka being on a knife's edge there, trying to make the best choice under the circumstances, and I don't think it's totally implausible that it would play out the way it did. One might even say that the message she sends him in Ephemeral indicates that deep down Mari knows Luka knows and that maybe she even wanted him to lie to her, which being as intuitive as he is, he understood and compromised his deeply held beliefs and preference for direct sincere communication to do what she wanted. If he did make that decision, I can see him doing it that way--bold as brass, look her square in the eye and lie to her face. He could have prevaricated or just not really given an answer but he straight up, flat out lied. All or nothing is pretty in keeping with the way I see him, and I saw it a little bit as Luka's way of absolving her for lying to him by willingly--I don't want to say coming down to her level because that implies more judgement than I want, but sorta like that. So if Luka decided to throw all his beliefs to the wind, I suppose that is a good way to go? I think he can do that with good intentions? It could even make for some interesting conflicts for him later if they ever gave him more than three minutes of screen time. (see, now that was salt)

I do think that protecting Mari's sanity and/or saving her from having to make a difficult decision is the only explanation in line with his character, so given what happened, if I were going to write a canon compliant fic, I would absolutely go with that. 

For me personally though--hmm how do I put this. Character is very intuitive for me? While I can, with some effort, pick apart why I think a character would act a certain way, it starts as a gut feeling. So when that moment happened, it felt like when you expect a car to go left and it turns right instead, and you feel for a moment like your stomach kept going the direction you were expecting to go. To me, that was an indicator that this moment is “wrong” for how I see the character. Which sounds kind of arrogant to say in writing, but eh, it’s the way I feel. 

And you know, that’s fine when it's one moment. It happens sometimes, that someone sacrifices character authenticity to further the plot, and while lazy, it’s not earth shattering. What worries me about it, and about Wishmaker in general, is that I'm worried about it being a pivot in how they're going to portray his character from now on rather than being one out of character moment. Luka was overall pushier in that episode than he's ever been, and while it wasn't a lot taken by itself, it's a significant shift from "you should go talk to him" to taking her hand and pulling her, however gently, into a conversation with Adrien. Much like you can say Alya was out of character in a few episodes of season 3, but then you see them triple-down on this version of her character in the specials and season four, and now she’s straight up a bad friend. How many times can you make a character out of character before it becomes their character? Luka’s actions in that moment are just close enough to being in character to be a reasonable shift IF they plan to follow it up with him, as you say, “helping them both.” So, really, Wishmaker was the episode that really made me feel upset, because I had previously assumed, especially given how little they ever give Luka to do or say in the show (let’s remember that his glory episodes were Silencer, where he was akumatized as a villain who couldn’t use his own voice for the majority of his screentime and where a good bit of the time out of that was taken up by a silent montage, and Desperada, where 90% of the episode was Adrien, and the breakup episode, of which he got to be normal for maybe half), that they would write him out (travel the world with Jagged, etc) or just quietly ignore him/let him fade out. While I fully believe he would support Mari through the lovesquare getting together, I really don’t want to watch him do it, especially if they have him start pushing rather than just supporting. No thank you. 

I also keep struggling with saying this because it sounds like I think being a luthier is boring or “lesser” and as a committed maker myself I absolutely respect the passion and skill it takes to make anything, let alone things as complicated as an instrument, but something about the timing and the way they made Luka want to be a career luthier made me feel like it was an attempt to...deglamorize him? Like, having him be an aspiring rock star (which, I’ll grant you, was never really stated for sure) was too much competition for Adrien so part of their attempt to tone him down as a love rival was to make him less compatible with Marinette’s ambitions, you know? It would have been different if we had ever seen Luka tinkering with guitars in the past, or fixing things, or having pieces of instruments or tools out in his room, but everything they’ve ever shown has pointed more for him being a performer on one scale or another, so just declaring it out of the blue seems like a cheap tactic to me. Which is annoying because I’ve always loved the idea of Luka getting into making guitars as a hobby/self-maintenance/off shoot of his passion/side gig kind of thing (see Luka refinishing his guitar in Finding Harmony), and now I’m aggravated when I think about it. 

So, yes, all of that was a long-winded way to say I agree with you, it definitely feels to me like they broke character there because they’re trying to transition him out of the love rival position, and I’m not excited for where they’re going to take it from here. 

#quickanswers #salt #ml writers salt #ml season 4 spoilers #can I stop tagging that yet? #best to be safe i guess #quickrants #wishmaker spoilers

[emee-ems]

Okay so Monarch looks demented....like...you can just see the crazy spilling out.

This man has lost his marbles...he has no more left....there are no marbles to be seen.

#miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #ml season 5 #monarch #bald cap does no one justice #never a good sign #only wishmaker was able to pull of a bald cap

[saemi-the-writer]

What would you think if an evilized villain (maybe a wishmaker-like villain or maybe even a villain that's unrelated to the butterfly miraculous) caused Chloe and Zoe to switch bodies somehow, and nobody fully understands what's going on, so Zoe (in Chloe's body) is taken by Audrey back to New York, despite Zoe desperately trying to explain things. But Chloe enters a fugue state (heavily due to trauma caused by the neglect of her parents) and genuinely thinks she's Zoe, and is even able to recall many of the things Zoe did due to being in Zoe's body. The class thinks “Zoe's” change in behavior is due to the psychological effects of method acting, since “Zoe” is playing Chloe in Astruc's new movie, but they gradually convince “Zoe” to let them help her relearn how to be “herself” again. Meanwhile, in New York, Zoe is trying to get back to Paris, but when she gets there, “Zoe” thinks she’s there to try to hurt Marinette.

Eventually, after listening to “Chloe”, Marinette starts to suspect that “Chloe” might be telling the truth, so she decides that she must test “Chloe” and “Zoe”. She fakes being in danger to see how they react. “Zoe” reacts slightly faster than “Chloe”, so Marinette comes to the conclusion that “Chloe” is lying and that “Chloe” has an evil and manipulative plan. Marinette thinks that “Chloe” must have picked up a few tricks from Lila, because she thinks no version of Chloe could possibly react faster than Zoe when it comes to protecting her.

I think I've seen this scenario sent to multiple creators of the ML fandom or people who clearly said they didn't care or like Chloé. What are you up to, anon? What do you really want from me? An honest opinion? Approbation?

Seems like a quite complicated scenario whose main purpose is to absolutely redeem Chloé after the events of season 5 and make us feel sorry for her.

Look, if you want to write a fanfic based on this, go ahead. You don't need my approval! I'm sure you'd make some Chloé stans very happy with it, and if you have fun writing it, all the better, it's the purpose of writing fanfics! Because honestly, I won't.

More rant undercut. Some very hot takes, but I don't care anymore at this point.

I like some fanon redeemed Chloé very much - heck, in my own AU she does change for the better and have a quite solid arc and background - but canon Chloé isn't changing and you need to accept it. From some spoilers I've fallen upon, she clearly has no regrets and will be selfish to the end. I mean, the last thing she does is calling Marinette to try and hurt her by telling her that Adrien will leave for London, hoping to make her suffer/cry one last time before she leaves Paris. And that is a huge bitch move, which proves once more that she has nothing heroic in her and should stay away from Marinette and the whole cast.

Do I think André is getting away with his actions too easily? Yes, definitely. And Audrey is a real bad mother, but putting all the blame on them for Chloé's actions and attitude and calling it "trauma" is pushing it. Chloé chooses to be a bitch, she chooses to help villains and terrorist, she knows people will get hurt with her actions but she doesn't care and even enjoy it. As long as she gets what she wants and feels superior to everyone, it's fine to her.

And when it comes to her father distancing himself for her, well good for him. Way too late in terms of narration, but still. Chloé is toxic to him. She keeps treating him like a mean to her ends and an ATM, and when he tries to reason her or grow some spine, she attacks on his insecurities and threatens to leave. I think most people overlook that if Audrey leaving for New York affected Chloé, it also affected her father. We see how horrified and desperate he gets in "Malediktator" when she's ready to leave on a whim, because he told her that he couldn't reasonnably ban a 14 years old and the whole class from Paris! Chloé's age shouldn't be a shield to call her out on her BS, she's toxic as a friend and as a daughter, because FREAKING YES, CHILDREN CAN BE TOXIC OR EVEN ABUSIVE TO THEIR PARENTS. And it's not always said parents' fault!! Sure, André is responsible for Chloé being spoiled rotten, and showing her a bad example, but it doesn't erase that his own daughter is treating him like shit, squeezing him for the 3 classics money - fame - power and will throw him away like trash when she has no more use of him. Not gonna expand on André's redemption arc here or it would get too long because, oh boy, do I have things/flaws to point out about it too...

Post seasons 3 to 5 Chloé might be able to change, but she should do it on her own and away from her victims. It's not Marinette or anyone's job to do it for her.

#miraculous ladybug #answers #saemi talks #saemi answers #saemi rants #Miraculous ladybug salt #chloe bourgeois #andre bourgeois #chloe salt #ml writing salt #hot takes

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when the show finally allows these two boys have a Moment to just be interrupted. so. abruptly.

#let's go #luka couffaine #adrien agreste #mlb perfection #lukadrien #listen. i am first and foremost a lukadrien stan #Never forget that #they haven't gotten to Speak to each other on screen since #*checks notes* WISHMAKER #mlb #miraculous ladybug #mlb season 5 spoilers #ml season 5 spoilers #listen i also Love luka's lil hair thing #his reaction when rose jumps between them #i thought we'd get a BIT MORE LUKA CONTENT THIS SEASON #considering he knOWS #i love him your honor #all i want is their friendship #kagami is such good friends with marinette and adrien #and luka is such good friends with marinette #it's how it should be #the Real lovesquare u kno #let them bOND DAMNIT

[airi-p4]

#I sketched this after wishmaker... #lukanette #luka #marinette #kagami #random comic #ml s4 spoilers #ml wishmaker spoilers #4koma comic #my comic #ml comic #ml random comic #Pro LukaMari #accidental reveal? #this isn't the one I wanted to finish this week but whatever ^^; #my art #airip4

[miraculous-clowncar]

imagine smoking a joint with these two

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[ozzo-the-wozzo]

The only salt I will develop towards the Luka reveal is if they waste the potential of at least ONE reaction to the lovesquare. Please. If he doesn’t cry inside about it at least once or at least subtly comments on it straight to their faces then what even is the point. What was it all for. Let me see cool, calm, and collected Luka succumb to this insanity at least once.

#saying I need it is an understatement #please show #PLEASE #miraculous ladybug #mlb #ml #ml spoilers #miraculous ladybug spoilers #mlb spoilers #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #mine #ml wishmaker spoilers #ml wishmaker #Wishmaker

[overworkedunderwhelmed]

Honestly, considering what Gloob showed...there has to be something more coming.

With the 5- minute resets, I fully expect Luka to leave this episode going, “oh, this is so much worse than I ever would have guessed...”

#ml spoilers #ml leaks #ml wishmaker #ml wishmaker spoilers #Miraculous Ladybug

[ladyfreya123]

Personally, I think that in Wishmaker Luka and Marinette's bond is even stronger than before... 💙

#Random thoughts #Lukanette #Best friends to lovers #mlb spoilers #ml wishmaker spoilers #Or maybe it's just me.... #I didn't mean the ending i meant how they acted around each other for whole episode