Does anyone else want Bubi/Connor(CDawgVA for those who don't know) to be on the QSMP? Think of the lore he and Mousey could do, think of him interact with other Japanese speakers(bc he quite literally lives in Japan and speaks Japanese quite fluently). Just think about it. I think I'd be so much fun if they at some time add him as I think he'd add quite a bit due to both his voice acting abilities and also depending on what type of character he plays(he could straight up bring out Bubi because he's already kinda done it once before or even play more like himself) and I think I'd be fun to see how he interacts with everyone due to the distinctions between British/Welsh culture and Japanese culture and to see them mix if even just a little. Also, he literally sometimes(I'm not sure if it's just when drunk or also when sober as I haven't come across it yet) cusses or yells in Japanese and I'd love to see the reaction of the other creators. I think he'd have some cool or funny dynamics and I'd really love to see it. Also, I totally hope that we get not only more Korean members but also Japanese members(not 100% if Chinese creators living in China would work out as I live in the US and DAMN is it hard to find non-propagandized information. Still, if possible I would also love to have them and if not even Chinese creators who live in other countries but primarily speak in Chinese on stream would also be nice :D) Either way, GIVE ME MORE CREATORS SO I CAN SQUISH THEM AND GIVE THEM SO MUCH LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, a very warm welcome to both of the Korean creators :D! I hadn't made a post about either of them yet so I just thought I put that here after talking about wanting new creators and we have just gotten new creators. This was all over the place but it's whatever, that's generally how my brain works.
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I have brainworms about the new Ironmouse/Bubi song. Theres a post out there like “girls read the Lemony Snicket love letter and reshape their idea of love” and like,,,,, im girls. Theres something profoundly romantic about the “You Sinful Thing” line and I am Not Okay. Like thats a Gomez Addams line, the way its said, the inflection and the fact that the line just before it was addressing Mouse’s last line directly makes it feel like this true and heartfelt statement. Like, to demons who chose to conquer and rule hell of course “Sinful” would be a something to admire and adore.
Which I guess is something that has always fascinated me about things like The Addams Family and certain I DONT KNOW HOW BUT THEY FOUND ME songs, because the perspective, but Addams Family is easier to demonstrate. They are from the perspective of the witches and monsters and criminals. Gomez is actually a murderer, and that’s still a bad thing. Torture is still a negative thing, but they like that negative thing. Like when I was a kid, I just kind of assumed it was “Opposites”, everything good was bad and bad was good. But itd not that. Family is good, love is good, and the Addams family agree. So its choice - they just like torture and find it romantic to want to meticulously inflict pain on someone else. And that’s - to kind of reign in my blathering - kind of what gets me. That’s what makes the Bubi line drive the brainworms feral, its the choice. Like its not just the “it happened oops” kind of romance that western popular media feels drowned in. Bubi chose to take hell when he was banished, and Ironmouse/Satan chose to finish what he started; and they both chose to like “sin” (being in their canon just dissenting the heavenly dictatorship and required blind faith).
So that line is like, the peak compliment he could call her. Its not just some dirty naughty thing to say, its the embodiment of the way they chose to live their lives and that’s what’s giving me branworms. So I mean, its a credit to CDawg’s voice acting skills I guess, because he fucking sells it.
Anyway I do not support shipping real people, but the characters Bubi and Ironmouse are clearly supposed to be shippable/flirty together. So I think there is a separation between Ironmouse the girl who streams the pink haired vTuber/CDawgVA the guy from trash taste, and Ironmouse who is Satanus the King of Hell/Bubi who is Beelzebub.
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I am fascinated by your Bruby take. Have you written supporting posts for this ship and Beth’s love for Ruby already? I would love to read more detail on your view of their relationship. To me, I see Beth’s possessiveness over Ruby. She demands to be chosen, even to Ruby’s detriment. It seems like a really disproportionate relationship to me, where Ruby is expected to drop her life to support Beth. Endlessly. And on occasion Beth rewards Ruby by benevolently offering her something in return.
I want to see them how you see them.
Hey, so zerothly it's deffo not just my take; I'm gonna link to some other ppl's posts & ig haphazardly try to quote some others I can't search up (joke's on me for ever wanting to find anything on mobile I suppose🤯)
Zero point fively, the ship name is deffo buby cmon, im taking a hard line on that 🤪
So first argument in terms of shipping Beth/Ruby and/or deciding Beth is in love with ruby: why not! I just think it's fun! And it adds a lot of potential depth to many of the relationships in the show eg the brio mess, the Beth-stan conflict, the death death, the beth/rhea quasi-romance.... Plus there's really nothing I see in canon that negates it 🤷🏼♀️
I think this post by @nakedmonkey sums the vibe up more succinctly than I ever could!
I'd also highly rec these fics:
Almost by vibrantnymph (Ruby pov in a slightly divergent 208)
girls go to the bathroom together to kiss by makemeanybraver (aged down au, Beth pov)
(there are a few other fics tagged beth/Ruby on Ao3 too but they're also tagged beth/annie and um I assume they don't mean it)
I swear @pynkhues had some posts about Beth/Ruby and maybe kisses too but I can't find them 😭😭😭
I also super agree with the vibe of this post from @petesdragon. Particularly cos in really all the flashbacks I think Dean and boys in general are presented as life moments to achieve and tick off. Combined with ruby basically telling annie that Beth married Dean for security, I hear the comp het take ringing loudly!
Off the top of my head I'd say the biggest canon points for me are:
That I've never looked at Dean the way you look at stan line being followed by Beth's srs lingering looks at Ruby, then a bunch of loving stares & delighted giggling with the tesla stuff (I do think we're repeatedly told by the show that Beth is not in love with Dean, that Ruby is in love with stan & that Beth has some srs martyr vibes/is v willing to sacrifice herself for the ppl she cares abt)
That I would choose you every time line and really 208 in general (& actually also successful salesperson s2 Beth being willing to give up a hypothetical jayz concert to stan; basically all sales ppl are annoying jayz stans who will say insane things like 'actually if you think about it, it's impressive to get away with that many shit guest verses' right to your face)
The s2 finale callback with the actual Beyoncé tickets where Beth tells Ruby to take stan, and goes to turn herself in which IS to protect the hills (think this understandably gets buried under the rest of the finale & its silliness)
The s4 beth-stan conflict as a whole where they're essentially presented as romantic rivals squabbling for the right to Ruby's affection; beth looking distraught when she agrees to never seeing Ruby again #martyrvibes
I guess I maybe agree that Beth is possessive over Ruby, but I'd say that so is stan then? & I'm given literally no reason to think stan isn't entirely in love with ruby yet in s4 he sics the cops on her, joins in with dean's scheming against Beth thus inadvertently yet predictably throwing Ruby under the bus & ends up threatening to go on the run without Ruby in the finale. I don't think I buy that possessiveness, making demands or an idiotic approach to planning precludes Beth from being in love with ruby 🤷🏼♀️ (though it perhaps suggest Ruby has a type sfggfrff)
I also really disagree that Beth demands to be chosen by Ruby, at least consistently -- like yea arguably that's a bit what's going on in s2, but it also sets up her melodramatic martyrdom in both s2 & s4? And actually really the s2 conflict isn't so much abt Ruby not choosing her, as Ruby repeatedly points out, she already kinda did! I think it's more Beth losing her mind at the realisation that she's not Ruby's #1 bc Ruby IS Beth's, and I think given they're having all these srs convos abt the contrasting states of their marriages it seems for the very first time (plus the implication throughout the series that Ruby barely ever interacts with Dean) I think it's probs quite reasonable to assume that Beth is a genuine misandrist & thinks of husbands as essentially accessories, de facto incapable of being anywhere near as important as their bond. (see also that s4 line abt how no boy will ever break them up.)
I also think it's interesting in s2 that Beth does warm to rio and/or crime when Dean fucks her off (eg bathroom break) but also when she & Ruby are on the outs (eg naked feet backyard picnic bench in the sun scene).
I'm just gonna repeat: in the s2 finale Beth is trying to turn herself in & in s4 she looks absolutely shattered agreeing to never see Ruby again. I don't think Beth particularly asks Ruby to drop her life to support her? Like the girls do all do it to each other yes, but who needs the most support or is most eager to turn to an idiotic plan in order to make money ebbs and flows over the show with their different (primarily but not exclusively familial) concerns. That bit in s4 where annie & Ruby make a deal w/ rio @ the strip club while Beth's just there in the bg like helllllo can u guys hear me feels a great example.
With or without a romantic lens, I very much agree with what @sdktrs12 said about their friendship in this answer.
& I think if anything, the fact that maybe it doesn't come through all that well consistently points to a writing problem: this show did often tell us things that it didn't necessarily take pains or leave itself enough space to demonstrate clearly or repeatedly. But I do think we're supposed to understand that they love each other deeply, have been through so much together, have always supported each other and consider the other (and their family) AS family.
Do i think that we see Ruby going above and beyond for Beth more than vice-versa? Yea probs. But I don't think that's cos Beth makes or expects her do that (& in fact they even have this conversation in the s2 finale!). for example, I don't think Beth asks Ruby to stay in the series finale? I think Ruby wants to, presumably bc of Annie's arrest & understanding how otherwise lonely Beth is. & I think we get loads of examples of Beth supporting Ruby too -- the grief flashback & Ruby's speech to Jane in the cupboard both spring to mind [both a little clunky but such is life], but also Beth's concern for Sara (and indeed stan) throughout. I do think Ruby is kinder & warmer than beth; I also think she's much less damaged ♻️
If I was gonna make an argument abt Beth demanding things of or using anyone, it'd probs be annie? Idk if the show was being intentional with the nick & annie getting locked up cos of the activities of their ~siblings parallel but that does feel kinda Loud. Plus, compared to Ruby but also in general, annie lacks confidence and purpose. Also Beth's literally her big sister, and pseudo parent! Still though I don't really find this line of reasoning all that compelling. Overall I do think annie & Ruby make the conscious choice to do crime, repeatedly, to make money. They don't seem to enjoy it in the same way, or as much, as Beth, but I think we see them both get purpose or status from it too (and that that's to some extent used to display how awful capitalism is). Plus Beth no way asked or wanted annie to replace her prints on the gun!! Hmm I wonder where annie picked up this melodramatic martyring habit from.....................
Further, if I was gonna make an argument abt anyone demanding to be chosen even to the detriment of the other it would probs be rio re Beth, Beth re rio, nick re rio or Dean re Beth 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Given all that, I think Beth and Ruby, who repeatedly sacrifice for each other & loudly declare the importance of their bond, have a far greater claim to being a canon love story than beth and rio who repeatedly betray each other, and by the finale iyam have simply demonstrated that they like each other & don't wish to kill the other & are willing to ally against common enemies plus maybe in general to avoid getting stabbed by the other 🤷🏼♀️
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